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2013-01-15 11:35:52 AM  
iCan't believe it's Apple.
 
2013-01-15 11:38:15 AM  
Not a surprise, there is no compelling reason to upgrade. If you like the 4s, the 5 isn't all that different, if you don't like the 4s the 5 is the same so switch to a Droid.
 
2013-01-15 11:40:34 AM  
came out too quickly after the 4S. should have sat on the 4S technology and just had the 4 release and the 5 release.

also, I tend to think apple is shooting itself in the foot by changing up the way peripherals interact with the phone; general consumer is not generally pleased with having to throw away all the charge cables, etc. he/she bought for the past 3 years and have to start all over again
 
2013-01-15 11:43:57 AM  
Aren't they supposed to announce Apple's quarterly results soon? Guess we'll know then.
 
2013-01-15 11:44:57 AM  
When Apple was pretty much the only game in town, people put up with Apple's crappy behavior. Now that there are viable, and in some cases much better, alternatives, fewer people are going to put up with Apple's shiat.
 
2013-01-15 11:57:01 AM  

theurge14: Aren't they supposed to announce Apple's quarterly results soon? Guess we'll know then.


If they miss for the third quarter in a row as the article suggests, all the short sellers are going to crap their pants with glee.
 
2013-01-15 11:57:58 AM  
The Steve Jobs cult is dead. Now they have to make truly innovative products. They seem to be unable to do so.
 
2013-01-15 11:58:56 AM  
Whenever I see someone using an Apple, I laugh. Only fanboys who are so smug and think they're so smart use Apple phones. They don't know what using a REAL phone is about. Sure, they've got apps. They play games.

But they don't really get it.
 
2013-01-15 12:00:58 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Whenever I see someone using an Apple, I laugh. Only fanboys who are so smug and think they're so smart use Apple phones. They don't know what using a REAL phone is about. Sure, they've got apps. They play games.

But they don't really get it.


This is true. They only believe they have a true smartphone because they heard from a friend it was. But nowhere on the box did it say that it was.

These lies only hurt us all in the end.
 
2013-01-15 12:01:09 PM  
The iPhone 5's most "compelling" feature is 4G, and coverage for most carriers is still piss-poor. Here in Michigan, Sprint is still probably 2 years out from 4G coverage outside of Grand Rapids (WTF, Sprint? Ever heard of SouthEast Michigan?!??!?) - the plan is to deactivate the Nextel towers and set them up for 4G coverage.

Any surprise at low sales? Particularly when you can get an iPhone 4s for $50 with a contract on some carriers?
 
2013-01-15 12:05:37 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Whenever I see someone using an Apple, I laugh. Only fanboys who are so smug and think they're so smart use Apple phones. They don't know what using a REAL phone is about. Sure, they've got apps. They play games.

But they don't really get it.


Meh. I didn't get the iPhone because I'm a fanboy. I'm a developer looking to expand into Apple's ecosystem; but to be honest, the 4s is a heck of a lot better than the Android phones I've owned before. Disclaimer: I generally have not owned any "cutting edge" Android phones, but nevertheless, for a "$50" contract phone, the 4s has been the best so far.

It's the first Apple product I've ever owned, and yes, it could be better in some ways. I'm adding a used 1st gen iPad to test my apps, which I think was way overpriced; to that end, I'm happy with my 10" Android tablet.
 
2013-01-15 12:13:18 PM  

swankywanky: came out too quickly after the 4S. should have sat on the 4S technology and just had the 4 release and the 5 release.

also, I tend to think apple is shooting itself in the foot by changing up the way peripherals interact with the phone; general consumer is not generally pleased with having to throw away all the charge cables, etc. he/she bought for the past 3 years and have to start all over again


I agree on the plugs. Every other device in the house besides the kids' ipods uses micro-usb, and there are cords everywhere.

The counter-point is that people seem to have sunk enough money into apps that they refuse to consider switching. If Apple ever does to their apps what they did with their charging cords (eliminate backwards compatibility), I'd predict mass exodus. But until then, people will fall for the sunken costs fallacy.
 
2013-01-15 12:18:29 PM  
Apple did it to themselves by not having enough product available. Then when they had problems with their manufacturing source it compounded it even more. Samsung its closest cell phone competitor, had supply of newly released phones ready at the stores when they came out and customers did not have to wait at least two weeks or more for their new phone. Another thing with the I Phone 5 was marketed as a phone that could deliver more and yet it was put out on the market it did not have anymore than the competition.

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: The Steve Jobs cult is dead. Now they have to make truly innovative products. They seem to be unable to do so.


I agree with you on this one.I had a conversation with one of my coworkers on what company will take over in the cell phone/tablet market over Apple I will either be Samsung or Google. I also notice that more of my younger coworkers use Android products because they are cheaper and can do the same or more than Apple products. Lack of innovation will be the death of Apple.
 
2013-01-15 12:24:51 PM  

LesserEvil: The iPhone 5's most "compelling" feature is 4G, and coverage for most carriers is still piss-poor. Here in Michigan, Sprint is still probably 2 years out from 4G coverage outside of Grand Rapids (WTF, Sprint? Ever heard of SouthEast Michigan?!??!?) - the plan is to deactivate the Nextel towers and set them up for 4G coverage.

Any surprise at low sales? Particularly when you can get an iPhone 4s for $50 with a contract on some carriers?


That's kind of your fault for being on Sprint. Verizon has LTE pretty much everywhere at this point. I was visiting family last summer, and I was actually shocked to see my Galaxy Nexus getting LTE in my hometown of Johnson City, TN, a little town to 50,000 people in the northeast part of the state. AT&T did suck in comparison, but they are actually getting pretty decent with their LTE footprint as far as major cities go, although they are still weak in more rural areas compared to Verizon.

It's not a surprise the iPhone 5 is lagging, though. The Galaxy S3 is a beast of a phone that kills the iPhone 5 in terms of features, and even the Windows Phones are pretty nice now. A Lumia 920 is only $99 with a 2 year contract on AT&T, while a comparable iPhone is $299 (since the Lumia 920 has 32 GB of storage), and the Lumia has a larger, higher resolution screen, a slightly better camera with optical IS, NFC, and wireless charging. The apps still aren't quite there with Windows Phone compared to iOS and Android, but you are getting objectively better hardware for a third of the price of an iPhone 5.
 
2013-01-15 12:29:44 PM  

Tom_Slick: Not a surprise, there is no compelling reason to upgrade. If you like the 4s, the 5 isn't all that different, if you don't like the 4s the 5 is the same so switch to a Droid.


This and the fact that releasing a new phone every year when most of your market is locked into 2 year plans only works the first couple of times. After that a majority of them are just going to wait instead of breaking their contract for the new device.
 
2013-01-15 12:53:08 PM  
Two words:  stock manipulation
 
2013-01-15 12:55:19 PM  

LesserEvil: The iPhone 5's most "compelling" feature is 4G, and coverage for most carriers is still piss-poor. Here in Michigan, Sprint is still probably 2 years out from 4G coverage outside of Grand Rapids (WTF, Sprint? Ever heard of SouthEast Michigan?!??!?) - the plan is to deactivate the Nextel towers and set them up for 4G coverage.

Any surprise at low sales? Particularly when you can get an iPhone 4s for $50 with a contract on some carriers?


Having switched from a 4S and to a 5 - the phones most compelling feature is that its light.  The 4 and the 4S were heavy phones and the glass backing cracked too easily.
 
2013-01-15 01:04:10 PM  

swankywanky: general consumer is not generally pleased with having to throw away all the charge cables, etc. he/she bought for the past 3 years and have to start all over again


But you dopes used to LOVE doing that! We planned entire product trajectories based on this! We had the perfect plan to print money!
 
2013-01-15 01:05:57 PM  
The first few iterations of the iPhone were pretty revolutionary, but now all Apple seems to be doing is making it's products a little faster, a little lighter, a little better camera, and a little better screen each time. I switced from a 3GS to a Sony Xperia Ion and have been a lot happier with the functionality of my phone as a mobile device.

For a lot of people, "It just works and does what I want" is probably just fine, but I hit the point where I couldn't stand iTunes and living within apples white list of approved stuff. Having full control over a more versatile phone OS has been great for me, and I haven't seeny anything really interesting or innovative coming form Apple in the last two years or so.

I hope that changes, because I think Apple, Google, and even Microsoft each pushing each other is good for consumers, but I just can't justify the price for the latest Apple product any more.
 
2013-01-15 01:15:04 PM  

gingerjet: Two words:  stock manipulation


This.

Also, one of the few posts that doesn't look like it came directly from Samsung's marketing department.
 
2013-01-15 01:27:12 PM  

Mad_Radhu: The apps still aren't quite there with Windows Phone compared to iOS and Android, but you are getting objectively better hardware for a third of the price of an iPhone 5.


The apps are a problem but mobile IE is the bigger issue. I don't use apps to go many of my favourite websites and generally I think the browser is more important than Instagram or other fad apps. The prolem is mobile IE runs on the same engine as desktop IE which is all fine and well but the mobile web has been coded for WebKit browsers rather than to standards which means mobile IE (and mobile Firefox) get crappy text like web interfaces on popular sites like bbc.co.uk.
 
2013-01-15 01:34:30 PM  

Mad_Radhu: LesserEvil: The iPhone 5's most "compelling" feature is 4G, and coverage for most carriers is still piss-poor. Here in Michigan, Sprint is still probably 2 years out from 4G coverage outside of Grand Rapids (WTF, Sprint? Ever heard of SouthEast Michigan?!??!?) - the plan is to deactivate the Nextel towers and set them up for 4G coverage.

Any surprise at low sales? Particularly when you can get an iPhone 4s for $50 with a contract on some carriers?

That's kind of your fault for being on Sprint. Verizon has LTE pretty much everywhere at this point. I was visiting family last summer, and I was actually shocked to see my Galaxy Nexus getting LTE in my hometown of Johnson City, TN, a little town to 50,000 people in the northeast part of the state. AT&T did suck in comparison, but they are actually getting pretty decent with their LTE footprint as far as major cities go, although they are still weak in more rural areas compared to Verizon.

It's not a surprise the iPhone 5 is lagging, though. The Galaxy S3 is a beast of a phone that kills the iPhone 5 in terms of features, and even the Windows Phones are pretty nice now. A Lumia 920 is only $99 with a 2 year contract on AT&T, while a comparable iPhone is $299 (since the Lumia 920 has 32 GB of storage), and the Lumia has a larger, higher resolution screen, a slightly better camera with optical IS, NFC, and wireless charging. The apps still aren't quite there with Windows Phone compared to iOS and Android, but you are getting objectively better hardware for a third of the price of an iPhone 5.


I'm thinking of switching after my iPhone contract is up in May. I mainly just use my phone for picture taking, instagram, facebook and messaging and Instapaper. All my "heavy" lifting is on my iPad which I plan on upgrading later this year. What's your take on the Lumina 920 and its featured camera? My only concern is does the Windows phone work with a Mac station well? Or is it all USB and file folders. Is there a dedicated app for apple that lets you access the Lumina?
 
2013-01-15 01:39:01 PM  

LesserEvil: Rapmaster2000: Whenever I see someone using an Apple, I laugh. Only fanboys who are so smug and think they're so smart use Apple phones. They don't know what using a REAL phone is about. Sure, they've got apps. They play games.

But they don't really get it.

Meh. I didn't get the iPhone because I'm a fanboy. I'm a developer looking to expand into Apple's ecosystem; but to be honest, the 4s is a heck of a lot better than the Android phones I've owned before. Disclaimer: I generally have not owned any "cutting edge" Android phones, but nevertheless, for a "$50" contract phone, the 4s has been the best so far.

It's the first Apple product I've ever owned, and yes, it could be better in some ways. I'm adding a used 1st gen iPad to test my apps, which I think was way overpriced; to that end, I'm happy with my 10" Android tablet.


I'd rather PUSH an Android than DRIVE an Apple. Take that, Apple! Woooo.

thenewinquiry.com

I put this sticker on my phone. I'm really sticking to the Appleboys!
 
2013-01-15 01:53:12 PM  
So basically smartphones have reached a point of market saturation?

/actually, it reminds me of Nintendo's portable system strategy: lets release a new iteration of technology we just released a year ago...
//and wonder why the adoption rates keep slowing with each new release
 
2013-01-15 02:04:09 PM  

Mawson of the Antarctic: What's your take on the Lumina 920 and its featured camera?


It's a really nice camera for low light and video recording thanks to the optical IS. Daylight photos are a little soft compared to the iPhone camera, but Nokia has been making some updates to improve the camera post-processing. The camera also has more options than the default iOS camera (Scenes, ISO settings, exposure settings, white balance settings), so you can do quite a bit of tweaking. The only downside is that the panorama mode isn't as good as what iOS offers, but there may be third party apps that can remedy that coming, since the camera supports apps that plug directly into the camera interface for enhanced shooting modes. The iPhone 5 still has a great camera, but overall the Lumia 920 has some advantages depending on what you are shooting.


Mawson of the Antarctic: Or is it all USB and file folders. Is there a dedicated app for apple that lets you access the Lumina?


There's a Windows Phone app that lets you sync your iTunes library for music and lets you sync your photos and videos with iPhoto or Aperture.
 
2013-01-15 02:04:22 PM  
You have to love judging companies based on made up pie in the sky estimates and demands of how they should do.
 
2013-01-15 02:48:07 PM  

Faddy: The apps are a problem but mobile IE is the bigger issue. I don't use apps to go many of my favourite websites and generally I think the browser is more important than Instagram or other fad apps. The prolem is mobile IE runs on the same engine as desktop IE which is all fine and well but the mobile web has been coded for WebKit browsers rather than to standards which means mobile IE (and mobile Firefox) get crappy text like web interfaces on popular sites like bbc.co.uk.


That does suck. But my Lumia 920 has a 1280x768 screen (higher pixel density than the retina display on the iphone 5 incidentally - odd that that's not a thing). I generally prefer to use the non-mobile versions of the sites anyway.
 
2013-01-15 02:50:59 PM  

error 303: The first few iterations of the iPhone were pretty revolutionary, but now all Apple seems to be doing is making it's products a little faster, a little lighter, a little better camera, and a little better screen each time. I switced from a 3GS to a Sony Xperia Ion and have been a lot happier with the functionality of my phone as a mobile device.

For a lot of people, "It just works and does what I want" is probably just fine, but I hit the point where I couldn't stand iTunes and living within apples white list of approved stuff. Having full control over a more versatile phone OS has been great for me, and I haven't seeny anything really interesting or innovative coming form Apple in the last two years or so.

I hope that changes, because I think Apple, Google, and even Microsoft each pushing each other is good for consumers, but I just can't justify the price for the latest Apple product any more.



The problem is that they're running out of how much "stuff" they can cram into a a package the size of a deck of cards.

Starting around 2006/2007 - they were making huge leaps in technology each year. Faster processors (dual/quad core) more ram, bigger batteries, more storage, better screens, 2G, 3G, 4G speeds, more apps, better cameras. Comparing a first generation smartphone to one that came out a couple years later...it was night and day how much better they'd become.

But now, there isn't a heck of a lot more that can be done. All improvements (from all phone makers) are going to be minor. the iphone 4 and 4s people aren't that far behind the iphone 5 people.
 
2013-01-15 03:02:02 PM  
as a recent forced convert from HTC Android devices to an iphone ( a 4s for a month then a 5 ) i can state the following ( all my opinion your mileage may vary )

I am extremely rough on cell phones. I have never had any phone last a year. and constantly battled hardware failures in HTC products.

the phone itself is extremely durable. it has already survived several hard floor full speed crashes with no damage. ( light plastic skin case, no otterbox)
the new charging plug is very much an improvement. You dont have to orient it and it does not have a metal sheild to get deformed. I am not sure what the drama is about buying new ones as the phone comes with a new cable.
Battery life. I easily get through my day. it goes on the charger at bed time and again after lunch at work. I am surfing and listening to music and podcasts constantly.
Camera takes great pictures
Seamless experience.


The bad.
i had to install itunes on my WIn7 engineering machine. it is still buggy
app pricing is akin to rape after all the free stuff that exists for android
 
2013-01-15 03:58:55 PM  
If Blackberry makes a comeback (doubtful, but hoping) I may have to see what they have to offer so long as I don't have to use their services. The concept phone they've been waving around looks all kinds of nice.

If not, I'll have to see how the Ubuntu phone (coming out later in the year) works and see if it entices me.

I'm still a bit skeptic about WP8, but that Nokia 920 looks all kinds of fun.

Otherwise, Android it is..My iPhone 4 is absolute shiat.

(No brand loyalty here folks, I'm interested in functionality)
 
2013-01-15 04:05:28 PM  

swankywanky: came out too quickly after the 4S. should have sat on the 4S technology and just had the 4 release and the 5 release.


Apple can't do that and make money, though. They are at their core, a hardware company. If they aren't selling new devices, they aren't making any cash. They need you to upgrade or they'll die.
 
2013-01-15 04:11:41 PM  

Mad_Radhu:
That's kind of your fault for being on Sprint. Verizon has LTE pretty much everywhere at this point. I was visiting family last summer, and I was actually shocked to see my Galaxy Nexus getting LTE in my hometown of Johnson City, TN, a little town to 50,000 people in the northeast part of the state.


That shouldn't surprise you. Verizon owns about 34% of the US market, which means they have about 17000 customers in that town. If you figure out to $150 or so a month, that comes out to about $30 million in revenue annually, which more than justifies planting a cell tower there.

A population of 50,000 is a good sized city. When they get LTE way out in BFE Montana where the population density is about 1 per 500 miles, then I'll be impressed.
 
2013-01-15 04:13:13 PM  

LesserEvil: The iPhone 5's most "compelling" feature is 4G, and coverage for most carriers is still piss-poor. Here in Michigan, Sprint is still probably 2 years out from 4G coverage outside of Grand Rapids (WTF, Sprint? Ever heard of SouthEast Michigan?!??!?) - the plan is to deactivate the Nextel towers and set them up for 4G coverage.

Any surprise at low sales? Particularly when you can get an iPhone 4s for $50 with a contract on some carriers?


I just dropped Sprint because they still don't have 4G in San Diego...I got tired of paying a premium for a service which I can't use. I did get the Lumia 920 mostly because it was $40 and i wanted to check out Win 8 on it. I'm really digging the phone right now. Some things are a little weird coming from an android but once you figure it out it all makes sense.
 
2013-01-15 04:15:31 PM  

Rent Party: swankywanky: came out too quickly after the 4S. should have sat on the 4S technology and just had the 4 release and the 5 release.

Apple can't do that and make money, though. They are at their core, a hardware company. If they aren't selling new devices, they aren't making any cash. They need you to upgrade or they'll die.


Also, AT&T and Verizon would have been VERY pissed at them if they didn't start offering an LTE phone. The 4S was already testing their patience.
 
2013-01-15 04:21:26 PM  

Mad_Radhu:
Also, AT&T and Verizon would have been VERY pissed at them if they didn't start offering an LTE phone. The 4S was already testing their patience.


Apple really doesn't give two shiats about hurting carrier's feelings. Do you want to know what Apple's *real* innovation was? It was walking into the largest mobile carrier in North America, kicking them in the balls and telling them that if they wanted to carry the Apple phone they were going to do it the Apple way.

That changed everything. AT&T and Verizon couldn't innovate their way out of a wet paper bag, and still can't. But the companies building these new generations of phones can, and do. What Apple did was to show Samsung and LG and HTC that they are the companies with the power. There is very little brand loyalty for carriers. The provide access to a network and that is about it. What people want is the shiny new toys, and the carrier that has *those* is going to grow, and the carrier that doesn't is going to shrink.

/ Lookin' at you, T-Mobile.
 
2013-01-15 04:29:17 PM  

turtleking: the new charging plug is very much an improvement. You dont have to orient it and it does not have a metal sheild to get deformed. I am not sure what the drama is about buying new ones as the phone comes with a new cable.


Probably because you just converted and don't have a stable full of 3rd party speaker docs and accessories. I can imagine you might feel differently if you'd paid to have a charger mounted to your car stereo or something.
 
2013-01-15 04:32:17 PM  

Tom_Slick: Not a surprise, there is no compelling reason to upgrade. If you like the 4s, the 5 isn't all that different, if you don't like the 4s the 5 is the same so switch to a Droid.


You can't tell the difference between 3G and LTE? Seriously?
 
2013-01-15 04:40:37 PM  

Malivon: If Blackberry makes a comeback (doubtful, but hoping) I may have to see what they have to offer so long as I don't have to use their services. The concept phone they've been waving around looks all kinds of nice.

If not, I'll have to see how the Ubuntu phone (coming out later in the year) works and see if it entices me.

I'm still a bit skeptic about WP8, but that Nokia 920 looks all kinds of fun.

Otherwise, Android it is..My iPhone 4 is absolute shiat.

(No brand loyalty here folks, I'm interested in functionality)


You're concerned about functionality but you want an Ubuntu phone? Hahahaha. I can't wait to see the forum posts from people who can't get x to restart or some inevitable dependency hell.
 
2013-01-15 04:53:28 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Mawson of the Antarctic: What's your take on the Lumina 920 and its featured camera?

It's a really nice camera for low light and video recording thanks to the optical IS. Daylight photos are a little soft compared to the iPhone camera, but Nokia has been making some updates to improve the camera post-processing. The camera also has more options than the default iOS camera (Scenes, ISO settings, exposure settings, white balance settings), so you can do quite a bit of tweaking. The only downside is that the panorama mode isn't as good as what iOS offers, but there may be third party apps that can remedy that coming, since the camera supports apps that plug directly into the camera interface for enhanced shooting modes. The iPhone 5 still has a great camera, but overall the Lumia 920 has some advantages depending on what you are shooting.


Mawson of the Antarctic: Or is it all USB and file folders. Is there a dedicated app for apple that lets you access the Lumina?

There's a Windows Phone app that lets you sync your iTunes library for music and lets you sync your photos and videos with iPhoto or Aperture.


Thanks! I noticed your concerns in comparison shots but I do like the iphone camera. If they improve it for the 5s I'll stick around as long as I keep getting grandfathered into unlimited LTE data.
 
2013-01-15 04:58:40 PM  

the_rhino: Malivon: If Blackberry makes a comeback (doubtful, but hoping) I may have to see what they have to offer so long as I don't have to use their services. The concept phone they've been waving around looks all kinds of nice.

If not, I'll have to see how the Ubuntu phone (coming out later in the year) works and see if it entices me.

I'm still a bit skeptic about WP8, but that Nokia 920 looks all kinds of fun.

Otherwise, Android it is..My iPhone 4 is absolute shiat.

(No brand loyalty here folks, I'm interested in functionality)

You're concerned about functionality but you want an Ubuntu phone? Hahahaha. I can't wait to see the forum posts from people who can't get x to restart or some inevitable dependency hell.


I think you're confused with Fedora? Anyway, I'm only interested in it if it turns out to be a well polished system.
 
2013-01-15 05:05:33 PM  

Malivon: the_rhino: Malivon: If Blackberry makes a comeback (doubtful, but hoping) I may have to see what they have to offer so long as I don't have to use their services. The concept phone they've been waving around looks all kinds of nice.

If not, I'll have to see how the Ubuntu phone (coming out later in the year) works and see if it entices me.

I'm still a bit skeptic about WP8, but that Nokia 920 looks all kinds of fun.

Otherwise, Android it is..My iPhone 4 is absolute shiat.

(No brand loyalty here folks, I'm interested in functionality)

You're concerned about functionality but you want an Ubuntu phone? Hahahaha. I can't wait to see the forum posts from people who can't get x to restart or some inevitable dependency hell.

I think you're confused with Fedora? Anyway, I'm only interested in it if it turns out to be a well polished system.


It won't. Look how Ubuntu has "evolved" over time. It will be forked and hijacked just like it's parent os.

Wishful thinking.
 
2013-01-15 05:15:15 PM  
One case where I think there likely is stock manipulation going on. The WSJ's article, citing Nikkei, made no sense regarding Apple's production. The valuation on the stock has also reached silly levels.

I'd want to be holding Apple stock when those earnings come in. A lot of people are going to look very foolish.
 
2013-01-15 06:53:58 PM  
Meh.

Still the first and best phone out there.
 
2013-01-15 07:59:46 PM  
Okay bit of a Luddite in the way of the smartphones.

Just got a .99 upgrade to a Galaxy 2s, from my Galaxy S and I'm loving it. So much faster responsively and with the 4g.
 
2013-01-15 08:00:29 PM  

Rent Party: Mad_Radhu:
Also, AT&T and Verizon would have been VERY pissed at them if they didn't start offering an LTE phone. The 4S was already testing their patience.

Apple really doesn't give two shiats about hurting carrier's feelings. Do you want to know what Apple's *real* innovation was? It was walking into the largest mobile carrier in North America, kicking them in the balls and telling them that if they wanted to carry the Apple phone they were going to do it the Apple way.

That changed everything. AT&T and Verizon couldn't innovate their way out of a wet paper bag, and still can't. But the companies building these new generations of phones can, and do. What Apple did was to show Samsung and LG and HTC that they are the companies with the power. There is very little brand loyalty for carriers. The provide access to a network and that is about it. What people want is the shiny new toys, and the carrier that has *those* is going to grow, and the carrier that doesn't is going to shrink.

/ Lookin' at you, T-Mobile.


T-mobile will be selling the iphone this year, first quarter
 
2013-01-15 08:21:50 PM  

Tom_Slick: Not a surprise, there is no compelling reason to upgrade. If you like the 4s, the 5 isn't all that different, if you don't like the 4s the 5 is the same so switch to a Droid.


is there any reason to even release a 5 except that the investors demanded it in the first place?
 
2013-01-15 09:10:53 PM  
I'm surprised that AAPL is taking such a hammering.  Billions in reserve, a possible low end phone coming out to compete with Andriod, strong sales and brand identity in Asia and emerging markets and a P/E of 11.  But I wouldn't touch it until it finds a price support level.  The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.
 
2013-01-15 09:19:27 PM  

kregh99: Meh.

Still the first and best phone out there.


heh heh. Ohhh, that's good.
 
2013-01-15 09:46:29 PM  

MrEricSir: Tom_Slick: Not a surprise, there is no compelling reason to upgrade. If you like the 4s, the 5 isn't all that different, if you don't like the 4s the 5 is the same so switch to a Droid.

You can't tell the difference between 3G and LTE? Seriously?


Like I'm going to take the word of some random Fark poster idiot over Steve Jobs. Stop trying to push your phantom technology on us.
 
2013-01-15 10:02:30 PM  

Tourney3p0: MrEricSir: Tom_Slick: Not a surprise, there is no compelling reason to upgrade. If you like the 4s, the 5 isn't all that different, if you don't like the 4s the 5 is the same so switch to a Droid.

You can't tell the difference between 3G and LTE? Seriously?

Like I'm going to take the word of some random Fark poster idiot over Steve Jobs. Stop trying to push your phantom technology on us.


In 1983, Steve Jobs was all in favor of 3.25" floppies. Then in 1998 all of a sudden he was against them.

Make up your mind, Steve!
 
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