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(USA Today)   Insurance companies can ask about trampolines. Toasters come with liability responsibilities for the manufacturer. Doctors can ask you about your smoking habits. Guess which product doesn't have any of those?   (usatoday.com) divider line 111
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2013-01-15 11:26:34 AM
Toasters don't kill people, people kill people with toasters.
 
2013-01-15 11:29:03 AM
Bratwurst?
 
2013-01-15 11:29:14 AM
Apparently guns need less regulation than any other product, because they're a "right."
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-15 11:36:46 AM

LasersHurt: Apparently guns need less regulation than any other product, because they're a "right."


And unlike any other right, it can't be limited, has no exceptions and doesn't end where someone else's face begins.

It also trumps all other rights such as the right to life.
 
2013-01-15 11:43:36 AM
Man, people around here are really getting obsessed with guns.  I know people who own dozens of guns who don't talk about them this much.
 
2013-01-15 11:45:27 AM
Cars.
 
2013-01-15 11:47:38 AM
Wait, I know... is it:

Rum
Gin
Whiskey
Beer
Vodka
Amaretto
Grappa
Schnappes
Pure Grain
Wine
etc?
 
2013-01-15 11:49:33 AM

vpb: LasersHurt: Apparently guns need less regulation than any other product, because they're a "right."

And unlike any other right, it can't be limited, has no exceptions and doesn't end where someone else's face begins.

It also trumps all other rights such as the right to life.


It's the king of rights.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-15 11:50:09 AM

Nabb1: Man, people around here are really getting obsessed with guns.  I know people who own dozens of guns who don't talk about them this much.


Well, the whole mass-killing thing has been in the news lately.  For some reason people get upset about that sort of thing.

I don't know why, it's not like it's all that unusual.
 
2013-01-15 11:52:38 AM

vpb: Nabb1: Man, people around here are really getting obsessed with guns.  I know people who own dozens of guns who don't talk about them this much.

Well, the whole mass-killing thing has been in the news lately.  For some reason people get upset about that sort of thing.

I don't know why, it's not like it's all that unusual.


I know, right?  I mean, up until recently, gun deaths were just unheard of in this country.
 
2013-01-15 11:54:10 AM
i27.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-15 11:55:29 AM
Guns > math

So refreshing to see another gun thread on the guns tab. It's not Fark, it' guns.com.
 
2013-01-15 11:58:03 AM
The NRA... [has] sought to restrict the ability of doctors to talk to patients

That's more than a little bit frightening.
 
2013-01-15 11:59:29 AM

unlikely: Wait, I know... is it:

Rum
Gin
Whiskey


Are you honestly insinuating that alcohol is under-regulated?  That's...an interesting opinion.
 
2013-01-15 12:01:37 PM
FTFA: Laws restricting the ability of doctors and insurance companies to ask questions about firearm ownership, usage and storage.

The only way to get stricter gun control is by getting someone involved that stands to gain financial from tighter controls. Insurance companies are just the right group that could play the role.
We would witness the lobbyists' fight of the century.
 
2013-01-15 12:07:14 PM

Huck Chaser: alcohol is under-regulated


It's almost exactly as regulated as guns. You have to be of a certain age and show ID before you can buy it, that's about it. For both. The next time anyone cares who has it is when you've either given it to a kid, killed someone, or done something that could kill someone. Again, for both.
 
2013-01-15 12:07:59 PM

Huck Chaser: unlikely: Wait, I know... is it:

Rum
Gin
Whiskey

Are you honestly insinuating that alcohol is under-regulated?  That's...an interesting opinion.


Well, not one federal agent has ever asked me about my bathtub gin.

Not even when I sell it to those kids.
 
2013-01-15 12:08:36 PM

unlikely: Huck Chaser: alcohol is under-regulated

It's almost exactly as regulated as guns. You have to be of a certain age and show ID before you can buy it, that's about it. For both. The next time anyone cares who has it is when you've either given it to a kid, killed someone, or done something that could kill someone. Again, for both.


Is there a boozeshow loophole?
 
2013-01-15 12:15:13 PM

Lionel Mandrake: unlikely: Huck Chaser: alcohol is under-regulated

It's almost exactly as regulated as guns. You have to be of a certain age and show ID before you can buy it, that's about it. For both. The next time anyone cares who has it is when you've either given it to a kid, killed someone, or done something that could kill someone. Again, for both.

Is there a boozeshow loophole?


Depends on the state. In Colorado, for example, you could legally get a minor rippin' drunk if you're both on private property and the parents have given permission.
 
2013-01-15 12:25:52 PM

unlikely: Huck Chaser: alcohol is under-regulated

It's almost exactly as regulated as guns. You have to be of a certain age and show ID before you can buy it, that's about it. For both. The next time anyone cares who has it is when you've either given it to a kid, killed someone, or done something that could kill someone. Again, for both.


Hm...yeah, those are fair points.  I was mostly thinking about it from the insurance and doctor perspectives, which are what had really grabbed my attention from TFA.  Thinking about it more, though, even the insurance angle is pretty similar for both, as they don't ask if you drink/own guns, only if you've ever been convicted of a crime related to those items.  Interesting.
 
2013-01-15 12:25:56 PM

unlikely: Lionel Mandrake: unlikely: Huck Chaser: alcohol is under-regulated

It's almost exactly as regulated as guns. You have to be of a certain age and show ID before you can buy it, that's about it. For both. The next time anyone cares who has it is when you've either given it to a kid, killed someone, or done something that could kill someone. Again, for both.

Is there a boozeshow loophole?

Depends on the state. In Colorado, for example, you could legally get a minor rippin' drunk if you're both on private property and the parents have given permission.


Proactively anticipating someone trying to call BS:

C.R.S. 18-13-122 (edits are mine, link goes to the full text)
(2) (a) Except as described by section 18-1-711 and subsection (4.5) of this section, a person under twenty-one years of age who possesses or consumes ethyl alcohol anywhere in the state of Colorado commits illegal possession or consumption of ethyl alcohol by an underage person. Illegal possession or consumption of ethyl alcohol by an underage person is a strict liability offense.

(3) It shall be an affirmative defense to the offense described in subsection (2) of this section that the ethyl alcohol was possessed or consumed by a person under twenty-one years of age under the following circumstances:

(a) While such person was legally upon private property with the knowledge and consent of the owner or legal possessor of such private property and the ethyl alcohol was possessed or consumed with the consent of his parent or legal guardian who was present during such possession or consumption; or

(b) When the existence of ethyl alcohol in a person's body was due solely to the ingestion of a confectionery which contained ethyl alcohol
 
2013-01-15 12:26:06 PM

LasersHurt: Apparently guns need less regulation than any other product, because they're a "right."


Toys and Toaster are not a legal right. If you want to toast that bread or play with toys you must subject yourself to the laws regulations; which include but are not limited to: forcing you to do handstands for a period of no less than one hour; patting your head with one hand while rubbing your belly with the other for a period of no less than one hour; holding you dog no matter it's weight above your head while whooping the Arsenio Woof for a period of no less than one hour. These conditions can and will change due to the regulator's whim at any point in time and is entitled to your complete subjugation.
 
2013-01-15 12:29:17 PM

unlikely: Proactively anticipating someone trying to call BS:


Yeah, that's true in a lot of states.

So, what's your point?  Fill in the missing word or phrase:

Parents in some states can serve their under-21 children alcohol within certain (strict) guidelines.  Therefore, when it comes to guns and gun control,___________________.
 
2013-01-15 12:56:52 PM
Hmm.  Many of the seriously pro-gun legislators are probably also seriously in the pocket of big insurance.  I wonder how that would fall out if insurance companies started thinking that guns increased their liability enough to warrant attention.  Would those legislators stand up and claim that the for-profit insurance companies had no right to diminish their risk by raising rates on gun owners?  Or would they shut the fark up about guns?

I truly don't know.  I'm just wondering.
 
2013-01-15 01:04:46 PM
"As the researchers' letter to Biden noted, over the last 40 years, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) has provided 486 research awards to study cholera, diphtheria, polio, or rabies, and just three to study gun violence, even though during that period, there have been more than four million gun-violence injuries-almost 2000 times more than the number of documented cases of those diseases."
 
2013-01-15 01:07:05 PM
Why would a doctor need to know how many guns a patient owned? Unless the patient presented with microphallus and erectile dysfunction?
 
2013-01-15 01:17:41 PM

hinten: FTFA: Laws restricting the ability of doctors and insurance companies to ask questions about firearm ownership, usage and storage.

The only way to get stricter gun control is by getting someone involved that stands to gain financial from tighter controls. Insurance companies are just the right group that could play the role.
We would witness the lobbyists' fight of the century.


Cage match. To the death.
 
2013-01-15 01:19:25 PM
Strangely, I don't seem to have any issues telling my doctor to go fark himself if he insists on lecturing me on things I don't care to hear about. But too many people seem to be convinced that their doctor is their boss.
 
2013-01-15 01:20:25 PM

vernonFL: Why would a doctor need to know how many guns a patient owned? Unless the patient presented with microphallus and erectile dysfunction?


heh. you funny.
 
2013-01-15 01:21:00 PM
But, I like toast
Link
 
2013-01-15 01:21:38 PM
Based on the headline, I am guessing that the trampoline doesn't have any smoking habits. It would be rather silly to expect it of them.
 
2013-01-15 01:22:52 PM
I think guns should be like sex. You learn by pointing them at things and squeezing one off.

/I heard of a teen who killed a girlfriend with his penis. He was her first time and he banged her well enough that she had an orgasm and something burst in her brain. Imagine telephoning her parents.
 
2013-01-15 01:23:33 PM

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Strangely, I don't seem to have any issues telling my doctor to go fark himself if he insists on lecturing me on things I don't care to hear about. But too many people seem to be convinced that their doctor is their boss.


We're Americans, we don't need no edumacated know-it-alls telling us what to do!
 
2013-01-15 01:23:38 PM

vpb: It also trumps all other rights such as the right to life.


that's a limited time right that expires right after the water is broken.
 
2013-01-15 01:24:19 PM

Nabb1: Man, people around here are really getting obsessed with guns.  I know people who own dozens of guns who don't talk about them this much.


I think you mean you know dozens of guns who own people.

/guns are people too, my friend
 
2013-01-15 01:26:15 PM
Look libs, when will you get it through your thick lib skulls that guns are simply a tool, like any other tool? That's why there's also the National Hammer Association and Americans United for Bubble Levels and The Brotherhood of the Crescent Wrench.

Quit trying to paints us as having an unusual obsession with deadly weapon.
 
2013-01-15 01:28:27 PM
A gun is just a tool like toaster or an alligator.
 
2013-01-15 01:28:31 PM
Ooo, ooo, ooo! I know! I know! *waves arm frantically*

Is it ... potato?
 
2013-01-15 01:29:49 PM
And this will stop criminals with guns how? This would have prevented Sandy hook how?
 
2013-01-15 01:31:20 PM

Danger Mouse: And this will stop criminals with guns how? This would have prevented Sandy hook how?


It would give me the satisfaction to see the government take away the object of your obscene love.
 
2013-01-15 01:32:04 PM
I know this one. Cars!
 
2013-01-15 01:32:20 PM

Danger Mouse: And this will stop criminals with guns how? This would have prevented Sandy hook how?


If you are interested in preventing Sandy Hook, then you support a AWB. Because as has been pointed out multiple time. The guns were bought legally. So a AWB would have prevented it.
 
2013-01-15 01:33:53 PM
I was unaware that current laws prevented insurance companies from inquiring regarding firearm possession or that firearm manufacturers are not liable for damages resulting from product defects. I am aware that the state of Florida enacted a law prohibiting doctors from discussing firearm possession with patients but, as I recall, the law was overturned.

Has anyone reference to relevant legislation?
 
2013-01-15 01:34:29 PM

Pincy: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Strangely, I don't seem to have any issues telling my doctor to go fark himself if he insists on lecturing me on things I don't care to hear about. But too many people seem to be convinced that their doctor is their boss.

We're Americans, we don't need no edumacated know-it-alls telling us what to do!


My last doctor prescribed me one med, then because it would cause side effects, another med. Then said that if that one caused additional side effects, he would give me a third med.

I fired his ass, got a different doctor, had the tests redone and was told I didn't need the first med.

Unfortunately, the never ending chain of meds is The American Way, right?
 
2013-01-15 01:39:11 PM
The last gun I bought came with a manual, about 1/2 of which was warnings. So I think gun companies are aware of their liabilities. I am pretty sure if I burned myself with a toaster, I'd have trouble suing.
 
2013-01-15 01:40:44 PM

vpb: LasersHurt: Apparently guns need less regulation than any other product, because they're a "right."

And unlike any other right, it can't be limited, has no exceptions and doesn't end where someone else's face begins.

It also trumps all other rights such as the right to life.


Or any rights that may be listed before them. BUT NONE THAT ARE AFTER THEM BECAUSE IT COMES FIRST!!

Nabb1: Man, people around here are really getting obsessed with guns.  I know people who own dozens of guns who don't talk about them this much.


Then none of them must be on here, I see more sentences begin with "As a gun owner" than I do "I'm not racist but..." on Yahoo Answers.
 
2013-01-15 01:44:51 PM

STOP IT

STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT
 
2013-01-15 01:45:14 PM

kitflint76: Danger Mouse: And this will stop criminals with guns how? This would have prevented Sandy hook how?

If you are interested in preventing Sandy Hook, then you support a AWB. Because as has been pointed out multiple time. The guns were bought legally. So a AWB would have prevented it.


No under the '96 AWB. The only peice of functional difference would be mag capacity and a killer with multiple 10 round clips would have been just as deadly as one with a 30 round clip.

sorry.
 
2013-01-15 01:46:58 PM

kitflint76: Danger Mouse: And this will stop criminals with guns how? This would have prevented Sandy hook how?

If you are interested in preventing Sandy Hook, then you support a AWB. Because as has been pointed out multiple time. The guns were bought legally. So a AWB would have prevented it.


Sandy Hook occurred because the mother failed to properly secure her firearms. The type of firearm is sort of irrelevant in this case since the shooter was able to basically take his pick of his mom's AR, pistols, and shotgun.
 
2013-01-15 01:48:03 PM
Warning: Improper use of this product can result in injury or death.

They're called "knives" and people know perfectly well what happens when you aren't careful with them. Do you want a warning label to tell you that a knife isn't safe?

Trampolines are extensively used by children who have a tendency to do foolish things but adults have been known to do them as well.

The toaster seems like an innocent enough object to some people and they get careless with them.

Doctors can ask you about your smoking habits because that is important health information they may need to treat you.

Outside of extremely young children whom it is your responsibility to insure don't play with things that could kill them, including guns, knives and toxic chemicals, were you trying to make a point here? You're failing.
 
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