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(ESPN)   Did the Ravens kicker break any rules by attempting practice kicks on the field of play in between the first and second overtimes?   (espn.go.com) divider line 71
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2013-01-15 11:26:37 AM
No.
 
2013-01-15 11:27:04 AM

twobux: No.

 
2013-01-15 11:30:03 AM
They'll need the practice to avoid this happening again

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2013-01-15 11:30:16 AM
Yes, and the Broncos win, and Romney is automatically President.
 
2013-01-15 11:33:57 AM

Gecko Gingrich: twobux: No.

 
2013-01-15 11:45:26 AM

Chariset: Yes, and the Broncos win, and Romney is automatically President.


Only if Obama gets the flu...
 
2013-01-15 12:54:35 PM

xynix: Chariset: Yes, and the Broncos win, and Romney is automatically President.

Only if Obama gets the flu...


He got a flu shot.
 
2013-01-15 12:59:25 PM
"It wouldn't be surprising if the NFL competition committee addresses practice kicks this offseason. Of course, Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome, who is on the committee, would probably be in favor of allowing them to happen based on Saturday's AFC divisional playoff game."

Somebody needs to biatch slap the writer for this last paragraph.  The whole article pretty much states that it is OK, and nobody had a problem with it.  So his conclusion is that the NFL will probably change it?  Then he takes a dig at Ozzie Newsome, because his opinion is just as sane as everybody else.  Idiot.
 
2013-01-15 12:59:46 PM
Yes, he did. There is a rule against practicing kicks during timeouts or in between quarters, but there is no penalty against it.

My local radio station had that former head of refs on for a segment and they brought it up.
 
2013-01-15 01:00:39 PM
I still can't get over how Denver played the last couple minutes of the game. There was no excuse for a receiver to get behind them and find the endzone like that. Also, when you have 40 seconds left, two timeouts, one of the best quarterbacks the game has seen, and only need a field goal, you don't take a farking knee!
 
2013-01-15 01:01:57 PM

acweezer17: Yes, he did. There is a rule against practicing kicks during timeouts or in between quarters, but there is no penalty against it.

My local radio station had that former head of refs on for a segment and they brought it up.


Can a QB toss a ball during a time out, or between quarters?
 
2013-01-15 01:02:08 PM

lunchinlewis: "It wouldn't be surprising if the NFL competition committee addresses practice kicks this offseason. Of course, Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome, who is on the committee, would probably be in favor of allowing them to happen based on Saturday's AFC divisional playoff game."

Somebody needs to biatch slap the writer for this last paragraph.  The whole article pretty much states that it is OK, and nobody had a problem with it.  So his conclusion is that the NFL will probably change it?  Then he takes a dig at Ozzie Newsome, because his opinion is just as sane as everybody else.  Idiot.


Plus, why would Ozzie assume his team will always benefit? He could just as easily be on the "wrong" side of it next time. But again, no one cares.
 
2013-01-15 01:02:24 PM
Matt Bryant says "no"
 
2013-01-15 01:05:54 PM

Gecko Gingrich: twobux: No.

 
2013-01-15 01:06:09 PM
Yes? I don't know about it being on the field of play, though. On the sidelines, sure. In the same way that the kicker has the net he's supposed to kick into.

Again, I didn't read the rulebook, but the guy that does had said it was against the rules and that there will probably be a letter addressed to the remaining teams that states that it should not be done.
 
2013-01-15 01:07:37 PM

NeoCortex42: I still can't get over how Denver played the last couple minutes of the game. There was no excuse for a receiver to get behind them and find the endzone like that. Also, when you have 40 seconds left, two timeouts, one of the best quarterbacks the game has seen, and only need a field goal, you don't take a farking knee!


One of the best qb the game has seen that could only throw the ball 15 yards.
 
2013-01-15 01:08:35 PM
Maybe the head coach shouldn't wait until right before the ball snaps to call a time out. It was a split second...time out, play goes in motion, and the kicker doesn't stop his motion.

It's an idiot tactic used by idiot coaches.

Pete Carroll is bad and he should feel bad.
 
2013-01-15 01:11:37 PM
Doesn't sound like John Fox gives a sh*t anyway, but, as far as I'm concerned, turnabout is fair play. If you DON'T want the opposing the kicker to just take some practice kicks, make sure you have one of your own players run out there and obstruct him. I don't mean like "deck the kicker on his ass", just stand right in front of him.
 
2013-01-15 01:15:34 PM

NeoCortex42: I still can't get over how Denver played the last couple minutes of the game. There was no excuse for a receiver to get behind them and find the endzone like that. Also, when you have 40 seconds left, two timeouts, one of the best quarterbacks the game has seen, and only need a field goal, you don't take a farking knee!


If they had, Playoff Peyton would've just thrown the pick earlier.
 
2013-01-15 01:16:28 PM
I bet the NFL addresses it this offseason.
 
2013-01-15 01:18:15 PM

robsul82: NeoCortex42: I still can't get over how Denver played the last couple minutes of the game. There was no excuse for a receiver to get behind them and find the endzone like that. Also, when you have 40 seconds left, two timeouts, one of the best quarterbacks the game has seen, and only need a field goal, you don't take a farking knee!

If they had, Playoff Peyton would've just thrown the pick earlier.


Probably, but I still think essentially giving up is the wrong way to go. According to the press conference this morning with the coach and Elway, they decided to take the knee because they were in shock that Baltimore scored. That's a terrible excuse.
 
2013-01-15 01:19:12 PM

SkittlesAreYum: But again, no one cares.


This is the real takeaway from Practicekickonthefieldduringatimeoutgate.

// let Bristol have their storyline for the week
// apparently the "Ryan-Gonzo finally win one!" story has no legs
 
2013-01-15 01:19:40 PM

Broktun: Can a QB toss a ball during a time out, or between quarters?


I don't think I've ever seen that on the actual field of play vs the sidelines, which is what this is all about. Personally, I don't have a problem with it since the other team can do it as well.
 
2013-01-15 01:21:15 PM

twobux: No.

 
2013-01-15 01:23:29 PM
I wonder, are there are any rules against practicing blocking the opposing team's practice kick?
 
2013-01-15 01:29:16 PM
I don't think its so much its against the rules but that there is no rule in regards to what the raven's kicker did, the real question is , is it legal to rough the kicker on a practice kick?
 
2013-01-15 01:32:48 PM

crazytrain: Broktun: Can a QB toss a ball during a time out, or between quarters?

I don't think I've ever seen that on the actual field of play vs the sidelines, which is what this is all about. Personally, I don't have a problem with it since the other team can do it as well.


I wonder if anyone has tried a practice FG before during a time out?  I guess if the NFL wants, they could make it an unsportsmanlike penalty. That and defensive timeouts in the last 5 seconds of the play clock during FG tries, aka "Shanahaning".
 
2013-01-15 01:36:20 PM
Take that knee, take that knee, take that knee and go, HEY!
 
2013-01-15 01:39:22 PM

Funbags: I wonder, are there are any rules against practicing blocking the opposing team's practice kick?


You don't have to wait for the snap to get in the backfield, AND you don't have to worry about those pesky roughing the kicker calls either if you miss the ball on the attempted block. So aim for the plant foot knee. Seems fair to me.
 
2013-01-15 01:43:49 PM
What if a coach tells his kicker he's going to call a timeout right before he attempts a field goal? Like a coach "icing" his own kicker, but with the kickers knowledge, so he gets one freebie practice in?
 
2013-01-15 01:46:58 PM

error 303: What if a coach tells his kicker he's going to call a timeout right before he attempts a field goal? Like a coach "icing" his own kicker, but with the kickers knowledge, so he gets one freebie practice in?


That's legal. Jason Garrett did it last year.

/it did not end well
 
2013-01-15 02:01:34 PM
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I'm just asking questions?
 
2013-01-15 02:10:15 PM

grimlock1972: the real question is , is it legal to rough the kicker on a practice kick?


I wouldn't think so. I would think it'd be the same as if you attacked an opposing player on the sideline, in between plays. But what if you sent your kicker out during halftime, to practice kicks, and the other team sent a player out to practice farking you up. Can you get a penalty during halftime?
 
2013-01-15 02:14:03 PM

twobux: No.


You spelled who farking cares wrong.
 
2013-01-15 02:22:12 PM
Dear Ponies,

Maybe you should have 'practised' field goal kicks instead of running out the damm clock.

Not bitter at all,
TheOther
 
2013-01-15 02:32:19 PM
Oh ferchristsake the last thing the NFL needs is MORE RULES. As long as this doesn't get in the way of playing the game, what's the problem? Plus if one team wants to do it and the other team doesn't - who's the dummy?
 
2013-01-15 02:38:12 PM

Broktun: crazytrain: Broktun: Can a QB toss a ball during a time out, or between quarters?

I don't think I've ever seen that on the actual field of play vs the sidelines, which is what this is all about. Personally, I don't have a problem with it since the other team can do it as well.

I wonder if anyone has tried a practice FG before during a time out?  I guess if the NFL wants, they could make it an unsportsmanlike penalty. That and defensive timeouts in the last 5 seconds of the play clock during FG tries, aka "Shanahaning".


They could just make it illegal to call a timeout immediately following an opponent's time-out w/o a play in between. That would stop a good chunk of the icing as well as open up offense and defense for more big plays (since if you get out coached during a time-out your opponent calls in a big situation - you can't just mulligan and try again before the play goes off). Also, in a totally selfish entitled viewer way, I just hate seeing those back and forth time out sequences.

Just forbidding time-outs by the D in the last 5 seconds - eh, give them a chance to get their blocking package in and focused (plus sometimes that kick happens with a little more time on the clock, into areas you might want a D to be able to call a time out.)
 
2013-01-15 02:43:45 PM

Funbags: I wonder, are there are any rules against practicing blocking the opposing team's practice kick?


There probably is some kind of rule covering this. Not specifically this, obviously, but probably gets covered by the same rule that prevents them from screwing with pre-game warmups.

Then again, I wonder if there is even a rule against messing with pre-game warmups or if it's just that no one has been enough of a douche to try it.
 
2013-01-15 02:44:17 PM
I'd just like to take this opportunity to restate my desire for a "time in" rule. Opposing team calls a time out, and you - assuming you have a time "out" left - can immediately call, "Time in!"
 
2013-01-15 02:47:26 PM
If I'm an opposing player, I stand in front of the ball, daring him t kick it. Or "accidentally" fall on his leg in his follow through
 
2013-01-15 02:49:49 PM

davideggy: Funbags: I wonder, are there are any rules against practicing blocking the opposing team's practice kick?

There probably is some kind of rule covering this. Not specifically this, obviously, but probably gets covered by the same rule that prevents them from screwing with pre-game warmups.

Then again, I wonder if there is even a rule against messing with pre-game warmups or if it's just that no one has been enough of a douche to try it.


I'd think unsportsmanlike conduct would cover it if it needed to be called?
 
2013-01-15 03:01:44 PM
More interestingly, how is it NOT a penalty if excessive celebration is done by a bench player but IS a penalty if a player from that play celebrates?

It's a dumb penalty already, but that's IDIOTIC.
 
2013-01-15 03:10:38 PM
Belichick will be ordering the Minutemen to line up on the field diagonally from the 45 to the goal line during every TV timeout.
 
2013-01-15 03:11:08 PM

Deneb81: More interestingly, how is it NOT a penalty if excessive celebration is done by a bench player but IS a penalty if a player from that play celebrates?

It's a dumb penalty already, but that's IDIOTIC.


Yeah, I didn't get that *at all*.
 
2013-01-15 03:11:23 PM

Dr Dreidel: SkittlesAreYum: But again, no one cares.

This is the real takeaway from Practicekickonthefieldduringatimeoutgate.

// let Bristol have their storyline for the week
// apparently the "Ryan-Gonzo finally win one!" story has no legs


Winning one only matters when the "one" in question is a ring, ask "Not Elite" Flacco for clarification.
 
2013-01-15 03:18:16 PM

TheOther: Dear Ponies,

Maybe you should have 'practised' field goal kicks instead of running out the damm clock.

Not bitter at all,
TheOther


Word. Prater was the real Jesus last year to Tebow's Pharisee, ball flies forever in Denver thin air, and you don't go for the farking field goal? Come the fark on.
 
2013-01-15 03:21:19 PM

grimlock1972: I don't think its so much its against the rules but that there is no rule in regards to what the raven's kicker did, the real question is , is it legal to rough the kicker on a practice kick?


grimlock1972: I don't think its so much its against the rules but that there is no rule in regards to what the raven's kicker did, the real question is , is it legal to rough the kicker on a practice kick?

unnecessarily running, diving into, cutting, or throwing the body against or on a player who (i) is out of the play or (ii) should not have reasonably anticipated such contact by an opponent, before or after
the ball is dead; or throwing the runner to the ground after the ball is dead;

Penalty: For unnecessary roughness: Loss of 15 yards. The player may be disqualified if the action is
judged by the official(s) to be flagrant.


NFL Rule book. Yes, that would absolutely be flagrant.
 
2013-01-15 03:23:20 PM

meanmutton: grimlock1972: I don't think its so much its against the rules but that there is no rule in regards to what the raven's kicker did, the real question is , is it legal to rough the kicker on a practice kick?

grimlock1972: I don't think its so much its against the rules but that there is no rule in regards to what the raven's kicker did, the real question is , is it legal to rough the kicker on a practice kick?

unnecessarily running, diving into, cutting, or throwing the body against or on a player who (i) is out of the play or (ii) should not have reasonably anticipated such contact by an opponent, before or after
the ball is dead; or throwing the runner to the ground after the ball is dead;

Penalty: For unnecessary roughness: Loss of 15 yards. The player may be disqualified if the action is
judged by the official(s) to be flagrant.

NFL Rule book. Yes, that would absolutely be flagrant.


But can you call that against a player from the bench?!?
 
2013-01-15 03:26:58 PM

Deneb81: meanmutton: grimlock1972: ***snip***

NFL Rule book. Yes, that would absolutely be flagrant.

But can you call that against a player from the bench?!?


You can call unsportsmanlike conduct on the coach, why not unnecessary roughness on a bench player?
 
2013-01-15 03:31:16 PM

davideggy: Funbags: I wonder, are there are any rules against practicing blocking the opposing team's practice kick?

There probably is some kind of rule covering this. Not specifically this, obviously, but probably gets covered by the same rule that prevents them from screwing with pre-game warmups.

Then again, I wonder if there is even a rule against messing with pre-game warmups or if it's just that no one has been enough of a douche to try it.


NFL officials' jurisdiction starts 55 minutes before the game starts.

From the NFL rulebook:

A.R. 13.16 ACTION BY PLAYERS DURING PREGAME WARM-UPS
While the teams are warming up 30 minutes before the game, A1 slugs B1 on the field.
Ruling: Team A will be assessed a 15-yard penalty on the opening kickoff, and A1 is disqualified. The
officials' jurisdiction starts when they take the field in uniform approximately 55 minutes before kickoff.

Also, from A.R. 13.15: "The officials' jurisdiction continues during intermissions."
 
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