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(BBC)   After rigorous mathematical analysis, scientist makes a discovery that could shake the foundations of the world as we know it: The letter Z should be worth only six points in Scrabble, while Q's value should increase to twelve points   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 79
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2013-01-15 03:57:07 PM
Suq, though a q-with-u word is also a nice one to know.

Also like jo, raj, haj, xi, xu, ka, ki, sh, hm.

Agree with y'all above about C and V. Also i should be a 2-point letter.

Suggestions for words that use lots of vowels? I like to play "Aioli" rather than exchange, but I'd love other words to use a similar way.
 
2013-01-15 03:58:48 PM
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2013-01-15 03:59:15 PM
PS I like Hasbro's stance on the issue.

The people who all want new letter values are under the assumption that the letters should have values equal to their usefulness.

I disagree, and I think some of the fun of the game is working with the mix of letters of varying usefulness and point value, combined with the luck of the draw.
 
2013-01-15 04:11:37 PM

jimmythefly: PS I like Hasbro's stance on the issue.

The people who all want new letter values are under the assumption that the letters should have values equal to their usefulness.

I disagree, and I think some of the fun of the game is working with the mix of letters of varying usefulness and point value, combined with the luck of the draw.


jimmythefly: PS I like Hasbro's stance on the issue.

The people who all want new letter values are under the assumption that the letters should have values equal to their usefulness.

I disagree, and I think some of the fun of the game is working with the mix of letters of varying usefulness and point value, combined with the luck of the draw.


I always got the impression the values were not so much usefulness based for q and z but rather how difficult a time people had using the letters. The whole off the top of the head thing in terms of how average, non-competitive people with average vocabularies for the time were able to come up with words. A quick run through of my own algorithm* tells me that there are more words with q in a position other than the first, than are ones that use a z. If you weren't as familiar with words with an internal z, you might have more trouble using it than the q.

*Very rudimentary regular expression comparison.
 
2013-01-15 04:28:05 PM
Ah, I think I see what you're saying. But how easy are those Q words to use?

I've got no algorithm, but off the top of my mind it seems that there are more short words that use a z, especially as the not-first letter. So I contend Z is easier to use, because all you need is a small opening off of some larger word.

adz
fez
fiz
biz
coz
wiz
ritz

doze
daze
raze
laze
maze
haze
faze
size
adze


maize
craze
blaze
dozer
dozen
breeze
booze
snooze
sneeze
 
2013-01-15 04:32:43 PM
Well, there's sesquioxidizing out, then.
 
2013-01-15 04:41:52 PM
If the rules change, Queer (currently 14 points) would beat Zealot (16 points).
 
2013-01-15 04:56:07 PM
kwyjibo for the win.
 
2013-01-15 04:56:57 PM

detritus: If the rules change, Queer (currently 14 points) would beat Zealot (16 points).


That makes sense since the queers have been beating the zealots pretty handily lately... ;^)
 
2013-01-15 05:02:01 PM

Stavr0: QWJIBO


Kwyjibo
 
2013-01-15 05:19:47 PM
I just want to know when they're going to add 'da' and 'ew' as valid two letter words.

/loves that 'qwerty' is a valid word
 
2013-01-15 05:40:41 PM

Stavr0: In before QWJIBO


Challenge!
 
2013-01-15 06:00:05 PM

jigger: [nysportsjournalism.squarespace.com image 460x344]


jigger please!
 
2013-01-15 06:49:28 PM
2000ad.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-15 07:12:11 PM

OgreMagi: I dropped "qat" on the double word and counted it twice because it made "qi". My girlfriend challenged me and lost her turn. There was NOT a happy ending that evening. Good thing I didn't do that with a triple word. The fallout would have been painful.

She never beat me in that game, though her best was losing by only a single point.


Once I was only an I short of being able to play QUIZ for TL on the Q TW on the whole thing. ARGH!
 
2013-01-15 07:27:14 PM

batlock666: Quone. That's a word.


Sure it is, to quone something.
 
2013-01-15 08:26:40 PM
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Much greater than 12.
 
2013-01-15 08:29:25 PM

jimmythefly: I've got no algorithm, but off the top of my mind it seems that there are more short words that use a z, especially as the not-first letter. So I contend Z is easier to use, because all you need is a small opening off of some larger word.


The not first letter thing makes a huge deal in play. Tranq is the only short-ish word that ends with q, while z has lots of options for beginning, middle, and end.

(my best scoring word of all time was tzar with the z on TL and r on TW).
 
2013-01-15 09:40:29 PM

jimmythefly: Ah, I think I see what you're saying. But how easy are those Q words to use?

I've got no algorithm, but off the top of my mind it seems that there are more short words that use a z, especially as the not-first letter. So I contend Z is easier to use, because all you need is a small opening off of some larger word.


I was trying to get at the likelihood of them being thought of: my guess is that beyond your list there aren't many z containing words that come readily to mind for people, whereas words with an internal q are better known. I've seen that in Boogle sometimes where people will get booze, but miss ooze. Also, I wasn't restricting the subset to 3 or 4 letters, in that restriction, you are likely correct.
 
2013-01-15 10:00:58 PM
Stone Oak is a nice area (I worked off of 281 and 1604 for years). I wouldn't mess with those people; they protect themselves....as they should.
 
2013-01-15 10:04:53 PM
Sorry, wrong thread. But, HOWITZER is a great word.
 
2013-01-15 10:06:13 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: skinbubble: JohnBigBootay: a_room_with_a_moose: Qoph. A "q"word that doesn't need a "u"!

I think it is a Hebrew letter or number or something.

faqir, qintar, qindar,..... etc.

Qi

That's usually my go-to when I get the Q. That, and "Qa"


There is not "Qa". Qat, Qua, Qanat are okay.
 
2013-01-15 11:33:39 PM
Let's get real guys, the rules to scrabble are not going to change. It's too hard to make people spend another $10 on a replacement set of letters.

Let's just change the english language instead!
 
2013-01-16 03:23:47 AM

BalugaJoe: [2000ad.files.wordpress.com image 500x333]


Ive always said, never play scrabble with a welshman.
 
2013-01-16 05:15:20 AM

mikebdoss: KJUW89: Words with a 'Q' that do not require a 'U':

QI
QAT
QIS
QADI
QAID
QATS
QOPH
FAQIR
QADIS
QAIDS
QANAT
QOPHS
TRANQ
FAQIRS
QABALA
QANATS
QINDAR
QINTAR
QWERTY
SHEQEL
TRANQS
QABALAH
QABALAS
QINDARS
QINTARS
QWERTYS
SHEQELS
MBAQANGA
QABALAHS
QINDARKA
SHEQALIM
MBAQANGAS

I want to play "Mbaqangas" in a game and watch my partner's head explode.

Also, people above citing "ch", "qa" and a bunch of other stuff: get a scrabble dictionary.


Or get a regular dictionary and disallow abreviations.
 
2013-01-16 07:09:25 AM

mikebdoss: KJUW89: Words with a 'Q' that do not require a 'U':

QI
QAT
QIS
QADI
QAID
QATS
QOPH
FAQIR
QADIS
QAIDS
QANAT
QOPHS
TRANQ
FAQIRS
QABALA
QANATS
QINDAR
QINTAR
QWERTY
SHEQEL
TRANQS
QABALAH
QABALAS
QINDARS
QINTARS
QWERTYS
SHEQELS
MBAQANGA
QABALAHS
QINDARKA
SHEQALIM
MBAQANGAS

I want to play "Mbaqangas" in a game and watch my partner's head explode.

Also, people above citing "ch", "qa" and a bunch of other stuff: get a scrabble dictionary.


Wrong-o....
CH is good in SOWPODS if not TWL.
QA is nothing. Also QIN and QINS is now accepted in SOWPODS at least.
 
2013-01-16 08:09:45 AM
Oh look, one nerd's arbitrary system disagrees with another nerd's arbitrary system. Meanwhile neither system is using a direct measurement based on what they're trying to achieve.

"The folly of measuring A while hoping for B." Both systems are bad.
 
2013-01-16 08:02:54 PM

Loren: OgreMagi: I dropped "qat" on the double word and counted it twice because it made "qi". My girlfriend challenged me and lost her turn. There was NOT a happy ending that evening. Good thing I didn't do that with a triple word. The fallout would have been painful.

She never beat me in that game, though her best was losing by only a single point.

Once I was only an I short of being able to play QUIZ for TL on the Q TW on the whole thing. ARGH!


I actually dropped quiz with the z on the triple word score one time.  The evening went downhill from there.
 
2013-01-18 10:18:23 AM
Okay, but seriously, 'U' needs to be a two-point letter.
 
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