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(BBC)   After rigorous mathematical analysis, scientist makes a discovery that could shake the foundations of the world as we know it: The letter Z should be worth only six points in Scrabble, while Q's value should increase to twelve points   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 79
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2013-01-15 01:11:19 PM
I was told there would be no maths.
 
2013-01-15 01:12:02 PM
F U.

/give me mah 5 points and pass the lid.
/bags are for pussies
 
2013-01-15 01:12:49 PM
Well that's it... I'm not playing Words With Friends again until they patch this issue. This is an outrage!
 
2013-01-15 01:13:40 PM
Still no cure for cancer.
 
2013-01-15 01:13:56 PM
While their effort to sway Hasbro is well intentioned, it is quixotic.
 
2013-01-15 01:14:10 PM
Qoph. A "q"word that doesn't need a "u"!

I think it is a Hebrew letter or number or something.
 
2013-01-15 01:15:06 PM

a_room_with_a_moose: Qoph. A "q"word that doesn't need a "u"!

I think it is a Hebrew letter or number or something.


faqir, qintar, qindar,..... etc.
 
2013-01-15 01:15:47 PM
I've got the perfect picture for this thread but photobucket is blocked at work. If someone wants to email me, I'll send them the picture to post. Trust me, it's good.
 
2013-01-15 01:15:58 PM
Why are C's worth so much?
 
2013-01-15 01:18:38 PM
Thou whoreson Q! Thou unnecessary letter!
 
2013-01-15 01:18:46 PM
qadi
 
2013-01-15 01:19:12 PM

Curt Blizzah: Why are C's worth so much?


C's are a pain because there are no two-letter words to hang another word from them. Same with V's.

Z's are a lot easier to use now that "ZA" was added to the Scrabble lexicon.
 
2013-01-15 01:19:29 PM

JohnBigBootay: a_room_with_a_moose: Qoph. A "q"word that doesn't need a "u"!

I think it is a Hebrew letter or number or something.

faqir, qintar, qindar,..... etc.


Qi
 
2013-01-15 01:19:43 PM
Qs aren't that hard to use in Scrabble. As long as Qi and Qat are considered words, they will get placed on double and triple letter/word spots all day long.

/Scrabble isn't about fancy words, it's about abusing the bonus squares
//Goa is a far superior game with far less spelling
 
2013-01-15 01:20:09 PM

Curt Blizzah: Why are C's worth so much?


C is an absolute biatch, probably the second worst letter after V. There is only 1 two letter word with C, ch. There are none with V.

If you are going to reduce the value of the letters then there should be more Zs and Xs.
 
2013-01-15 01:20:41 PM

hp6sa: Curt Blizzah: Why are C's worth so much?

C's are a pain because there are no two-letter words to hang another word from them. Same with V's.

Z's are a lot easier to use now that "ZA" was added to the Scrabble lexicon.


This guy gets it.
 
2013-01-15 01:21:06 PM
Quone. That's a word.
 
2013-01-15 01:22:03 PM
Finally justice!
 
2013-01-15 01:22:55 PM

skinbubble: JohnBigBootay: a_room_with_a_moose: Qoph. A "q"word that doesn't need a "u"!

I think it is a Hebrew letter or number or something.

faqir, qintar, qindar,..... etc.

Qi


Best way to get that pesky Q off your bar at the end of the game. There is almost always an open I, especially if it ends up on your bar (it usually does).
 
2013-01-15 01:23:54 PM
That is the only game that gives me a brain ache.

How many points?
 
2013-01-15 01:24:25 PM
Is this just for the Brits? Don't they use s instead of z like in paralyse/paralize? Or something like that.

I go by the Snoop Dog dictionary, so I use a shizzle ton of zs my bizzles.
 
2013-01-15 01:26:57 PM

Tricky Chicken: Is this just for the Brits? Don't they use s instead of z like in paralyse/paralize? Or something like that.

I go by the Snoop Dog dictionary, so I use a shizzle ton of zs my bizzles.


All I know is that in British Scrabble, 'u' should be worth, like, 1/2 a point.

/they just drown words in that shiat
 
2013-01-15 01:27:51 PM
This applies only to english, right ?
 
2013-01-15 01:29:34 PM
we used to play multi-lingual scrabble, which required a uniform transliteration guide for the Greek and Cyrillic alphabets, and special accommodations for eth and ash. it was a little retarded, especially since it seemed like each person knew only one of the many different languages.
 
2013-01-15 01:29:50 PM

hp6sa: Curt Blizzah: Why are C's worth so much?

C's are a pain because there are no two-letter words to hang another word from them. Same with V's.

Z's are a lot easier to use now that "ZA" was added to the Scrabble lexicon.


I had to look it up to believe it. Scrabble, you whore. You used to have values. You've let WWF turn you into everything you once hated.
 
2013-01-15 01:32:53 PM

skinbubble: JohnBigBootay: a_room_with_a_moose: Qoph. A "q"word that doesn't need a "u"!

I think it is a Hebrew letter or number or something.

faqir, qintar, qindar,..... etc.

Qi


That's usually my go-to when I get the Q. That, and "Qa"
 
2013-01-15 01:38:20 PM

a_room_with_a_moose: Qoph. A "q"word that doesn't need a "u"!

I think it is a Hebrew letter or number or something.


I like using "qat" and "qaid".  They usually gets challenged so it gives me a double advantage.
 
2013-01-15 01:44:09 PM
Scrabble is only half about the score.
The other half is putting down weird words like aqueous or euouae and saying "fark you, vowels!"
 
2013-01-15 01:44:35 PM
I wont the family game at christmas with bezoar on a triple word score.
 
2013-01-15 01:47:26 PM
This is somewhat related to a theory of mine:
A person whose name begins with Q or Z, or ends in a vowel sound, does not need a nickname.
 
2013-01-15 01:48:03 PM

lincoln65: Scrabble is only half about the score.
The other half is putting down weird words like aqueous or euouae and saying "fark you, vowels!"


One of my favorites is BIKINI because for some reason I always get stuck with a rack full of I's.
 
2013-01-15 01:48:54 PM
Words with a 'Q' that do not require a 'U':

QI
QAT
QIS
QADI
QAID
QATS
QOPH
FAQIR
QADIS
QAIDS
QANAT
QOPHS
TRANQ
FAQIRS
QABALA
QANATS
QINDAR
QINTAR
QWERTY
SHEQEL
TRANQS
QABALAH
QABALAS
QINDARS
QINTARS
QWERTYS
SHEQELS
MBAQANGA
QABALAHS
QINDARKA
SHEQALIM
MBAQANGAS
 
2013-01-15 01:51:25 PM
nysportsjournalism.squarespace.com
 
2013-01-15 01:51:36 PM
I was playing Scrabble online and discovered that zebranos is a word. And if I had used it instead of brazen, I would have earned 221 points instead of a measly 54. :(
 
2013-01-15 01:54:31 PM
So what does "FARK" score now?
 
2013-01-15 01:57:42 PM

Curt Blizzah: Why are C's worth so much?


There are no two letter C words. My favourite 3 letter C word is "cwm". Not that anyone asked.

Also, these stories are everywhere this week. Link
 
2013-01-15 02:03:30 PM

Faddy: Curt Blizzah: Why are C's worth so much?

C is an absolute biatch, probably the second worst letter after V. There is only 1 two letter word with C, ch. There are none with V.

If you are going to reduce the value of the letters then there should be more Zs and Xs.


I'm pretty sure "ch" is only a Words with Friends word. My 2nd opponent tried to play that in my elementary school tournament. It was fun to challenge.
 
2013-01-15 02:04:20 PM
Game of luck my ass. Hasbro spokesman has never played scrabble.
 
2013-01-15 02:05:39 PM

friedo: lincoln65: Scrabble is only half about the score.
The other half is putting down weird words like aqueous or euouae and saying "fark you, vowels!"

One of my favorites is BIKINI because for some reason I always get stuck with a rack full of I's.


If you'd keep your i's off the rack in the bikini you wouldn't get stuck.

/I have no idea what that means.
 
2013-01-15 02:14:01 PM

KJUW89: Words with a 'Q' that do not require a 'U':

QI
QAT
QIS
QADI
QAID
QATS
QOPH
FAQIR
QADIS
QAIDS
QANAT
QOPHS
TRANQ
FAQIRS
QABALA
QANATS
QINDAR
QINTAR
QWERTY
SHEQEL
TRANQS
QABALAH
QABALAS
QINDARS
QINTARS
QWERTYS
SHEQELS
MBAQANGA
QABALAHS
QINDARKA
SHEQALIM
MBAQANGAS


I want to play "Mbaqangas" in a game and watch my partner's head explode.

Also, people above citing "ch", "qa" and a bunch of other stuff: get a scrabble dictionary.
 
2013-01-15 02:14:11 PM
what a quixotic article
 
2013-01-15 02:14:46 PM

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: Curt Blizzah: Why are C's worth so much?

There are no two letter C words. My favourite 3 letter C word is "cwm". Not that anyone asked.

Also, these stories are everywhere this week. Link


Just for fun, I once played cwn and then on the following turn played annwn.
 
2013-01-15 02:17:50 PM

Nightenstaff: Qs aren't that hard to use in Scrabble. As long as Qi and Qat are considered words, they will get placed on double and triple letter/word spots all day long.


Came here to say this. Any Scrabble player knows not to leave an "i" next to a double or triple letter score if the Q isn't accounted for. If they also have an "i" of their own they can get those 10 points counted twice, at 2x or 3x; you'll earn 60 points just for laying down a couple of letters (plus a couple bonus points for the vowels).

ZA is similarly bogus.
 
2013-01-15 02:24:49 PM
I tried to play ZACHARYQUINTO in a Words with Friends game but was rejected. :`(
 
2013-01-15 02:24:55 PM

tennyson: Nightenstaff: Qs aren't that hard to use in Scrabble. As long as Qi and Qat are considered words, they will get placed on double and triple letter/word spots all day long.

Came here to say this. Any Scrabble player knows not to leave an "i" next to a double or triple letter score if the Q isn't accounted for. If they also have an "i" of their own they can get those 10 points counted twice, at 2x or 3x; you'll earn 60 points just for laying down a couple of letters (plus a couple bonus points for the vowels).

ZA is similarly bogus.


I dropped "qat" on the double word and counted it twice because it made "qi".  My girlfriend challenged me and lost her turn.  There was NOT a happy ending that evening.  Good thing I didn't do that with a triple word.  The fallout would have been painful.

She never beat me in that game, though her best was losing by only a single point.
 
2013-01-15 02:32:20 PM
Does this affect how many points I get from the word 'quagmire?'
 
2013-01-15 02:54:35 PM

theurge14: I tried to play ZACHARYQUINTO in a Words with Friends game but was rejected. :`(


media.comicvine.com
 
2013-01-15 03:19:44 PM
In before QWJIBO
 
2013-01-15 03:28:47 PM

KJUW89: Words with a 'Q' that do not require a 'U':

MBAQANGAS


Did you see the Mbaqangas on her????

/Doesn't quite roll off the tongue
 
ecl
2013-01-15 03:48:49 PM
thenerdout.com
 
2013-01-15 03:57:07 PM
Suq, though a q-with-u word is also a nice one to know.

Also like jo, raj, haj, xi, xu, ka, ki, sh, hm.

Agree with y'all above about C and V. Also i should be a 2-point letter.

Suggestions for words that use lots of vowels? I like to play "Aioli" rather than exchange, but I'd love other words to use a similar way.
 
2013-01-15 03:58:48 PM
img59.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-15 03:59:15 PM
PS I like Hasbro's stance on the issue.

The people who all want new letter values are under the assumption that the letters should have values equal to their usefulness.

I disagree, and I think some of the fun of the game is working with the mix of letters of varying usefulness and point value, combined with the luck of the draw.
 
2013-01-15 04:11:37 PM

jimmythefly: PS I like Hasbro's stance on the issue.

The people who all want new letter values are under the assumption that the letters should have values equal to their usefulness.

I disagree, and I think some of the fun of the game is working with the mix of letters of varying usefulness and point value, combined with the luck of the draw.


jimmythefly: PS I like Hasbro's stance on the issue.

The people who all want new letter values are under the assumption that the letters should have values equal to their usefulness.

I disagree, and I think some of the fun of the game is working with the mix of letters of varying usefulness and point value, combined with the luck of the draw.


I always got the impression the values were not so much usefulness based for q and z but rather how difficult a time people had using the letters. The whole off the top of the head thing in terms of how average, non-competitive people with average vocabularies for the time were able to come up with words. A quick run through of my own algorithm* tells me that there are more words with q in a position other than the first, than are ones that use a z. If you weren't as familiar with words with an internal z, you might have more trouble using it than the q.

*Very rudimentary regular expression comparison.
 
2013-01-15 04:28:05 PM
Ah, I think I see what you're saying. But how easy are those Q words to use?

I've got no algorithm, but off the top of my mind it seems that there are more short words that use a z, especially as the not-first letter. So I contend Z is easier to use, because all you need is a small opening off of some larger word.

adz
fez
fiz
biz
coz
wiz
ritz

doze
daze
raze
laze
maze
haze
faze
size
adze


maize
craze
blaze
dozer
dozen
breeze
booze
snooze
sneeze
 
2013-01-15 04:32:43 PM
Well, there's sesquioxidizing out, then.
 
2013-01-15 04:41:52 PM
If the rules change, Queer (currently 14 points) would beat Zealot (16 points).
 
2013-01-15 04:56:07 PM
kwyjibo for the win.
 
2013-01-15 04:56:57 PM

detritus: If the rules change, Queer (currently 14 points) would beat Zealot (16 points).


That makes sense since the queers have been beating the zealots pretty handily lately... ;^)
 
2013-01-15 05:02:01 PM

Stavr0: QWJIBO


Kwyjibo
 
2013-01-15 05:19:47 PM
I just want to know when they're going to add 'da' and 'ew' as valid two letter words.

/loves that 'qwerty' is a valid word
 
2013-01-15 05:40:41 PM

Stavr0: In before QWJIBO


Challenge!
 
2013-01-15 06:00:05 PM

jigger: [nysportsjournalism.squarespace.com image 460x344]


jigger please!
 
2013-01-15 06:49:28 PM
2000ad.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-15 07:12:11 PM

OgreMagi: I dropped "qat" on the double word and counted it twice because it made "qi". My girlfriend challenged me and lost her turn. There was NOT a happy ending that evening. Good thing I didn't do that with a triple word. The fallout would have been painful.

She never beat me in that game, though her best was losing by only a single point.


Once I was only an I short of being able to play QUIZ for TL on the Q TW on the whole thing. ARGH!
 
2013-01-15 07:27:14 PM

batlock666: Quone. That's a word.


Sure it is, to quone something.
 
2013-01-15 08:26:40 PM
images4.wikia.nocookie.net

Much greater than 12.
 
2013-01-15 08:29:25 PM

jimmythefly: I've got no algorithm, but off the top of my mind it seems that there are more short words that use a z, especially as the not-first letter. So I contend Z is easier to use, because all you need is a small opening off of some larger word.


The not first letter thing makes a huge deal in play. Tranq is the only short-ish word that ends with q, while z has lots of options for beginning, middle, and end.

(my best scoring word of all time was tzar with the z on TL and r on TW).
 
2013-01-15 09:40:29 PM

jimmythefly: Ah, I think I see what you're saying. But how easy are those Q words to use?

I've got no algorithm, but off the top of my mind it seems that there are more short words that use a z, especially as the not-first letter. So I contend Z is easier to use, because all you need is a small opening off of some larger word.


I was trying to get at the likelihood of them being thought of: my guess is that beyond your list there aren't many z containing words that come readily to mind for people, whereas words with an internal q are better known. I've seen that in Boogle sometimes where people will get booze, but miss ooze. Also, I wasn't restricting the subset to 3 or 4 letters, in that restriction, you are likely correct.
 
2013-01-15 10:00:58 PM
Stone Oak is a nice area (I worked off of 281 and 1604 for years). I wouldn't mess with those people; they protect themselves....as they should.
 
2013-01-15 10:04:53 PM
Sorry, wrong thread. But, HOWITZER is a great word.
 
2013-01-15 10:06:13 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: skinbubble: JohnBigBootay: a_room_with_a_moose: Qoph. A "q"word that doesn't need a "u"!

I think it is a Hebrew letter or number or something.

faqir, qintar, qindar,..... etc.

Qi

That's usually my go-to when I get the Q. That, and "Qa"


There is not "Qa". Qat, Qua, Qanat are okay.
 
2013-01-15 11:33:39 PM
Let's get real guys, the rules to scrabble are not going to change. It's too hard to make people spend another $10 on a replacement set of letters.

Let's just change the english language instead!
 
2013-01-16 03:23:47 AM

BalugaJoe: [2000ad.files.wordpress.com image 500x333]


Ive always said, never play scrabble with a welshman.
 
2013-01-16 05:15:20 AM

mikebdoss: KJUW89: Words with a 'Q' that do not require a 'U':

QI
QAT
QIS
QADI
QAID
QATS
QOPH
FAQIR
QADIS
QAIDS
QANAT
QOPHS
TRANQ
FAQIRS
QABALA
QANATS
QINDAR
QINTAR
QWERTY
SHEQEL
TRANQS
QABALAH
QABALAS
QINDARS
QINTARS
QWERTYS
SHEQELS
MBAQANGA
QABALAHS
QINDARKA
SHEQALIM
MBAQANGAS

I want to play "Mbaqangas" in a game and watch my partner's head explode.

Also, people above citing "ch", "qa" and a bunch of other stuff: get a scrabble dictionary.


Or get a regular dictionary and disallow abreviations.
 
2013-01-16 07:09:25 AM

mikebdoss: KJUW89: Words with a 'Q' that do not require a 'U':

QI
QAT
QIS
QADI
QAID
QATS
QOPH
FAQIR
QADIS
QAIDS
QANAT
QOPHS
TRANQ
FAQIRS
QABALA
QANATS
QINDAR
QINTAR
QWERTY
SHEQEL
TRANQS
QABALAH
QABALAS
QINDARS
QINTARS
QWERTYS
SHEQELS
MBAQANGA
QABALAHS
QINDARKA
SHEQALIM
MBAQANGAS

I want to play "Mbaqangas" in a game and watch my partner's head explode.

Also, people above citing "ch", "qa" and a bunch of other stuff: get a scrabble dictionary.


Wrong-o....
CH is good in SOWPODS if not TWL.
QA is nothing. Also QIN and QINS is now accepted in SOWPODS at least.
 
2013-01-16 08:09:45 AM
Oh look, one nerd's arbitrary system disagrees with another nerd's arbitrary system. Meanwhile neither system is using a direct measurement based on what they're trying to achieve.

"The folly of measuring A while hoping for B." Both systems are bad.
 
2013-01-16 08:02:54 PM

Loren: OgreMagi: I dropped "qat" on the double word and counted it twice because it made "qi". My girlfriend challenged me and lost her turn. There was NOT a happy ending that evening. Good thing I didn't do that with a triple word. The fallout would have been painful.

She never beat me in that game, though her best was losing by only a single point.

Once I was only an I short of being able to play QUIZ for TL on the Q TW on the whole thing. ARGH!


I actually dropped quiz with the z on the triple word score one time.  The evening went downhill from there.
 
2013-01-18 10:18:23 AM
Okay, but seriously, 'U' needs to be a two-point letter.
 
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