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2013-01-15 11:44:35 AM  
So I just went and googled bullying suicide just to see what the statistics look like.

If you want to lose faith in humanity, that's a good way to do it.

Four in November that made national news. Three just in December. I didn't see any in January, but still. That's insane.

When I was a kid back in the last century, bullying was to/from school or at recess; now it's relentless, literally 24/7.

It's not a surprise that this happens. It's a surprise it doesn't happen more often.
 
2013-01-15 12:22:21 PM  
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2013-01-15 12:24:56 PM  
Old and Busted: Bullied person commits suicide; arrest and convict the bullies.

New Hotness: Bully killed; arrest and convict the bullied person.

Whoever dies is the victim, so go after whoever is alive/
 
2013-01-15 12:29:34 PM  
seems this is more a result of the failure of the anti-bullying efforts in this country. as mentioned up thread, bullying is worse now than it was when most of us were kids... and thats saying a lot. If i got bullied in highschool it ended when i went home. now it continues all the time and can linger on the web for years or decades. as usual, our systems of dealing with new technology are hopelessly out of date.
 
2013-01-15 12:32:28 PM  
FTA: He read books such as those by Tom Clancy.

Tom Clancy books are clearly the problem.
 
2013-01-15 12:34:38 PM  
I don't know how they can charge him as an adult. He is obviously immature - a student bullied for his social awkwardness, trying to solve the problems with a gun at school. Screams "youth" to me.
And the two South Park fans who drove him to this? Jail time for as long as this kid gets!
 
2013-01-15 12:36:42 PM  
Shouldn't be charged as an adult IMO.
 
2013-01-15 12:37:30 PM  
OtherLittleGuy: "Whoever dies is the victim, so go after whoever is alive/"

So ... if this practice collides with Stand Your Ground... the universe is annihilated?
 
2013-01-15 12:37:31 PM  
cf.broadsheet.ie

So has this kid killed anyone yet?
 
2013-01-15 12:37:47 PM  
Taft? Ang Lee's American cousin, Sara Lee, is filming a US version of his latest film...
dailypicksandflicks.com
 
2013-01-15 12:38:33 PM  

unlikely [TotalFark]

So I just went and googled bullying suicide just to see what the statistics look like.

If you want to lose faith in humanity, that's a good way to do it.

Four in November that made national news. Three just in December. I didn't see any in January, but still. That's insane.

When I was a kid back in the last century, bullying was to/from school or at recess; now it's relentless, literally 24/7.

It's not a surprise that this happens. It's a surprise it doesn't happen more often.


Kids killing themselves because of facebook comments and the like are more a product of insane self-absorption and a complete lack of perspective and coping skills. probably because they're enabled by people like you who can only look past them for the problem.
 
Xai
2013-01-15 12:40:25 PM  
160,000 kids every day stay home due to bullying - I'm actually surprised they don't resort to firearms more often. WTF is it with US schools?
 
2013-01-15 12:41:23 PM  

doubled99: insane self-absorption and a complete lack of perspective


Hasn't that been the definition of teenagers for generations?
 
2013-01-15 12:42:13 PM  
Maybe, we should ignore the gun aspect and actually fix the got damn problem?

At least half of the school shootings I hear about are a result of bullying.
 
2013-01-15 12:44:42 PM  
Maybe parents should start bullying their bully kids to stop bullying.
 
2013-01-15 12:44:42 PM  
"'They called him a "ginger" and said gingers don't have souls,' said Morgan Alldredge, a friend of both Oliver and one of the targets, who was in the classroom during the shooting."

clearly bringing a gun to school and shooting people is a way to prove you have a soul
 
2013-01-15 12:45:29 PM  
After the recent shootings as with after the Columbine shooting there was a campaign in a lot of communities to try to identify "problem kids". They started to look at the quiet and nerdy kids or the ones who dressed differently not as kids in trouble who might need help but as potential threats and treated them as such. These are kids who often already felt isolated and misunderstood by their peers and teachers and who were often bullied because of it then see that bullying get official sanction because these kids who are already struggling "might be a threat".
 
2013-01-15 12:46:27 PM  
Bullying is just some kid's way of letting you know how much they really like to soak cork--all night long, every night of the year.
 
2013-01-15 12:46:36 PM  
Others told The Associated Press that he further ostracized himself by making inappropriate statements, almost for shock value

One of these vicious cycle things. On one hand the kid is bullied and suffers from it. On the other he has issues distinguishing between good attention and bad attention, so he just draws an even larger target on himself.

That kind of relates to one of the things that annoyed me about the anti bullying campaign at the local HS. They never really seem to acknowledge "Look some people are just plain pricks, here are some tips to having vanilla interactions with them, given that you are trapped in the same building with them for four years." Rather it's all express yourself, embrace your uniqueness, etc. Yet most adults have different personas depending on what social setting they're in.
 
2013-01-15 12:46:53 PM  

unlikely: So I just went and googled bullying suicide just to see what the statistics look like.

If you want to lose faith in humanity, that's a good way to do it.

Four in November that made national news. Three just in December. I didn't see any in January, but still. That's insane.

When I was a kid back in the last century, bullying was to/from school or at recess; now it's relentless, literally 24/7.

It's not a surprise that this happens. It's a surprise it doesn't happen more often.


That's because the kids that don't kill themselves or go on a shooting rampage keep quiet out of fear of making the situation worse. And sometimes the teachers are part of the problem as well. As a personal example: freshman year in high school, I was a shy, pretty hefty kid (yeah, there's a shocker; a chubby FARKer). I had actual human shiat shoved into my gym locker, graffitti of variations on 'pussy' and various genitalia painted on the locker, 'accidental' elbows to the face daily in basketball games (elbows to the lips are totally fun when you wear braces and have to rip your lower lip away from the grill). and underwater pantsing in the pool in the summer. After the locker incident, the teacher just shrugged, said 'boys being boys' and moved me to another locker.

The bet part about all this? At my ten year reunion, everyone that did that shiat to me acted like I was their long lost best friend; like it was no big thing that my high school life was Hell.

People wonder why these kids that are already socially awkward go on these shooting rampages; anyone that's been bullied knows exactly why. There's a great truth to the saying from the late 1800's: God made Man, but Colonel Colt made all Men equal. To someone that's physically weaker and holds all their anger and abuse inside them, a gun is the ultimate equalizer. You don't need to be a jock, you don't need a posse behind you to increase the intimidation factor; just point, pull and your problems go away in one easy package.

And I graduated from High School in 90. With Facebook and online presences, Odin help any shy or outside the norm kid going to high school today.
 
2013-01-15 12:46:59 PM  
Know why you don't see gorilla attacks at high schools any more? Everyone carries a gorilla now!
 
2013-01-15 12:47:38 PM  

gittlebass: "'They called him a "ginger" and said gingers don't have souls,' said Morgan Alldredge, a friend of both Oliver and one of the targets, who was in the classroom during the shooting."

clearly bringing a gun to school and shooting people is a way to prove you have a soul


Yes, and I'm sure that one example is the only act of bullying that happened to the kid.
The bigger, stronger, cooler kids who did the bullying should have been put in their place long ago - suspended or expelled from the school when the bullying first occured.  Then, the shooting would not have happened at all.
 
2013-01-15 12:48:34 PM  
No discipline from the school for bullying will work if there's no discipline at home. Pretty much covers anything really.

/get off my parking strip you punks
 
2013-01-15 12:50:03 PM  
Clearly, this is all Eric Cartman's fault.
 
2013-01-15 12:50:28 PM  
Clearly, the lesson to be learned from this article is that gingers have no souls.
 
2013-01-15 12:50:53 PM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: Know why you don't see gorilla attacks at high schools any more? Everyone carries a gorilla now!


I know that if I see someone carrying a gorilla, I am incredibly polite to them.
 
2013-01-15 12:50:55 PM  

gittlebass: "'They called him a "ginger" and said gingers don't have souls,' said Morgan Alldredge, a friend of both Oliver and one of the targets, who was in the classroom during the shooting."

clearly bringing a gun to school and shooting people is a way to prove you have a soul


I'm a daywalker (well until Male pattern baldness finishes what it has started, damn you genetic code) and I'm amazed anyone would be bothered by ginger comments. It's a single episode plot device from South Park, which mocks everything. If you are bothered by some moron parroting that at you in high school, you have problems and are in for an unpleasant life. A lot worse is going to said to your face over the course of your adult years.

/back in my day it was beaten like a red headed stepchild and crap like that
//all the girls in college loved my red hair because it was unique and thanks to proper grooming silky smooth to run your hair through
/now I'm just thankful my scalp doesn't have spots on it, how things change as we age
 
2013-01-15 12:52:23 PM  
Here we go, another Fark "post your horrible bullying experiences" thread.

Oh the poor victims! We should ban bullying! Wait, it's already against the rules oh whatever shall we do!

Grow up.

Fight back.

Bullies go after people who don't fight back
 
2013-01-15 12:52:28 PM  
If there hadn't been that story about that old man bullying those 40 kids with bears, this shooting wouldn't have happened! We need to ban the Bible for causing violence!
 
2013-01-15 12:54:19 PM  

Xai: . WTF is it with US schools?


For starters they're more concerned with sports than they are with actual learning, and they're run by a bunch of paper-pushing asshats that rely on zero-tolerance policies rather than logic. The fact is we don't take education seriously in this country, we have towns all over this country where you still have 50-year-olds following high school football biatching that book learnin' gets in the way.
 
2013-01-15 12:54:41 PM  

highendmighty: gittlebass: "'They called him a "ginger" and said gingers don't have souls,' said Morgan Alldredge, a friend of both Oliver and one of the targets, who was in the classroom during the shooting."

clearly bringing a gun to school and shooting people is a way to prove you have a soul

Yes, and I'm sure that one example is the only act of bullying that happened to the kid.
The bigger, stronger, cooler kids who did the bullying should have been put in their place long ago - suspended or expelled from the school when the bullying first occured.  Then, the shooting would not have happened at all.


If you suspend every bully, the school will be empty.

I would say "making inappropriate statements for shock value" could easily be construed as bullying.

Every single person in my school was a bully and bullied at some point in time. It is not some binary relationship that people like to pretend it is. And not every kid that is bullied is having some creative outlet quashed... most of them are just assholes who can't figure out how to interact with people.
 
2013-01-15 12:56:40 PM  

iheartscotch: Maybe, we should ignore the gun aspect and actually fix the got damn problem?

At least half of the school shootings I hear about are a result of bullying.


That's retarded. If we just ban guns then the kids could bully each other safely. That way nobody gets hurt.
 
2013-01-15 12:58:02 PM  
ha-ha-guy:If you are bothered by some moron parroting that at you in high school, you have problems and are in for an unpleasant life. A lot worse is going to said to your face over the course of your adult years.

I think the point that others have been trying to make in this thread is that it isn't one comment. It's all day every day. For years. And it easily turns into abuse that would never be acceptable in adult life. And don't forget that even high school kids are still that, children. They are still developing the coping skills to deal with this kind of abuse.
 
2013-01-15 12:58:56 PM  
Well, the bully will at least think twice before bullying someone else.
 
2013-01-15 01:00:42 PM  

KidneyStone: Bullies go after people who don't fight back


It goes beyond that. Bullies go after people that aren't part of the herd. As someone they can attack without fear of being judged by others. As in if you're the quiet kid that people don't really have an issue, you're unlikely to be attacked because there is no ground swell of support for targeting that you. Rather bullies are cowards and want to be in a position where they can bring overwhelming force to bear against the target. For that happen it normally means the target has also engaged in actions that alienate support within the school.

A lot of anti bullying efforts fail because they fail to address the victim needs to reconsider how they act in front of others as well. Like it or not, you have to learn to at least pay lip service to the herd mentality. Unless you plan on basement dwelling forever.
 
2013-01-15 01:01:06 PM  

bacongood: Every single person in my school was a bully and bullied at some point in time. It is not some binary relationship that people like to pretend it is. And not every kid that is bullied is having some creative outlet quashed... most of them are just assholes who can't figure out how to interact with people.


You have that backwards. It should read: "And not every kid that is a bully is having some creative moment .. most of them are just assholes who can't figure out how to interact with people."

Not everyone is a bully, and not everyone is bullied. That's complete bullshiat.
My Cultural Arts professor used to tell us that "We are the Nazis and we are the Jews." Total bullshiat.
 
2013-01-15 01:02:00 PM  

KidneyStone: Here we go, another Fark "post your horrible bullying experiences" thread.

Oh the poor victims! We should ban bullying! Wait, it's already against the rules oh whatever shall we do!

Grow up.

Fight back.

Bullies go after people who don't fight back


Here's the problem though: in today's public schools, if you fight back the school resource officer arrests you. And the worthless asshat principal tries to get you expelled under a zero-tolerance policy. Sure the courts may rule in your favor, but that usually comes after at least three or four court appearances where you spend half the day waiting to answer three questions from the judge. The bully faces no such reprecussions because he's needed on the football field Friday night to play against some little one-stoplight town. And you're still facing expulsion.

That's why people don't fight back.
 
2013-01-15 01:02:02 PM  

KidneyStone: Here we go, another Fark "post your horrible bullying experiences" thread.

Oh the poor victims! We should ban bullying! Wait, it's already against the rules oh whatever shall we do!

Grow up.

Fight back.

Bullies go after people who don't fight back


Sounds like thats exactly what this kid did. now he's going to spend the better part of his life in jail for it.
 
2013-01-15 01:04:46 PM  

Voiceofreason01: I think the point that others have been trying to make in this thread is that it isn't one comment. It's all day every day. For years. And it easily turns into abuse that would never be acceptable in adult life. And don't forget that even high school kids are still that, children. They are still developing th


The issue I have though tends to be the failure of many programs to recognize that the victim has coping and social acting skills (for lack of a better term). The programs tend to focus on the bully having lots of social issues (namely not being a prick) but not also telling the kid getting targeted "if you want this to stop, stop making yourself part of the out group.".
 
2013-01-15 01:05:03 PM  

PsyLord: Maybe parents should start bullying their bully kids to stop bullying.


I grew up with a few kids who bullied in school because they were obviously bullied (abused) at home by their fathers.  Still, I see the point that discipline is best taught at home.

These days, parents don't want to listen to educators tell them their children are misbehaving and abusing other kids; it's the "my snowflake is the victim, and you're not doing enough for him" mentality.
 
2013-01-15 01:06:11 PM  
I was horribly bullied in High School, but never thought of shooting people up at school.

/times have changed.
//graduated 1979.
 
2013-01-15 01:10:10 PM  

ha-ha-guy: KidneyStone: Bullies go after people who don't fight back

It goes beyond that. Bullies go after people that aren't part of the herd. As someone they can attack without fear of being judged by others. As in if you're the quiet kid that people don't really have an issue, you're unlikely to be attacked because there is no ground swell of support for targeting that you. Rather bullies are cowards and want to be in a position where they can bring overwhelming force to bear against the target. For that happen it normally means the target has also engaged in actions that alienate support within the school.

A lot of anti bullying efforts fail because they fail to address the victim needs to reconsider how they act in front of others as well. Like it or not, you have to learn to at least pay lip service to the herd mentality. Unless you plan on basement dwelling forever.


The "conform to the norm" approach doesn't address the need for tolerance though - which these kids are going to need as they grow up.  If a kid's bullied because he's gay, and our solution is to encourage him to fit in by masking his identity, then we're bullying him too.  Look at all of the poor kids who've been put through "pray away the gay" camps.
 
2013-01-15 01:11:34 PM  

cmb53208: That's why people don't fight back.


That's a flawed concept of fighting back (and I saw that a HS football player who ended up getting sat for a game because I beat the hell out of a pair of bullies, good times). Lots of kids will fight back against bullies. Hell the fight I jumped into started with the target fighting back and kicking the bully in the nutsack. Of course it was two larger bullies on one nerd, so the kid was going down without support.

Fighting back is building the social ties where you can't be touched. It's like the old Prussian Field Marshals wrote, a successful military officer can win a battle without firing a shot because his troops end up in such a superior position the enemy knows they're irrevocably farked.
 
2013-01-15 01:11:40 PM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: Know why you don't see gorilla attacks at high schools any more? Everyone carries a gorilla now!


No, there are no gorilla attacks because all the kids carry special rocks that keep gorillas away.
 
2013-01-15 01:11:42 PM  

vabeard: I was horribly bullied in High School, but never thought of shooting people up at school.

/times have changed.
//graduated 1979.


I've bullied, and I've been bullied.

The two kids that bullied me the worst are now dead (before age 30).
The two kids I distinctly remember picking on are now registered sex offenders.
/true story
 
2013-01-15 01:14:36 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Voiceofreason01: I think the point that others have been trying to make in this thread is that it isn't one comment. It's all day every day. For years. And it easily turns into abuse that would never be acceptable in adult life. And don't forget that even high school kids are still that, children. They are still developing th

The issue I have though tends to be the failure of many programs to recognize that the victim has coping and social acting skills (for lack of a better term). The programs tend to focus on the bully having lots of social issues (namely not being a prick) but not also telling the kid getting targeted "if you want this to stop, stop making yourself part of the out group.".


Part of the problem though is once you're identified as part of the "out group" there is practically nothing you can do to escape that stigma except move to a new school where you don't suffer from that label. Attempts to change behavior to be more in line with the crowd will be just a mocked at the current behavior.
 
2013-01-15 01:18:55 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: The bet part about all this? At my ten year reunion, everyone that did that shiat to me acted like I was their long lost best friend; like it was no big thing that my high school life was Hell.


If HS was Hell, why in the world did you go to a reunion? I never looked back, 25 years later and I've not had the urge to return to the town or track down any HS alum.

Didn't miss a thing -- college was a great equalizer and starting with a fresh slate was fantastic.
 
2013-01-15 01:18:59 PM  
If we had armed the teachers we could have guaranteed at least one dead teen from this episode. Sorry, gun nuts, maybe next time.
 
2013-01-15 01:19:09 PM  
I hate to tell you kid but, It never gets better, never, and now you've gone and made your tormentors hero's.
Nobody listens, nobody cares until it's too damn late. If you get out of this one then just pack your gear and leave.

vabeard: I was horribly bullied in High School, but never thought of shooting people up at school.

/times have changed.
//graduated 1979.


everyone's experience is different.  Of mine, one is in a mental hospital, one drank himself to death and two were shot to death as perpetrators in a home invasion.  I am satisfied with this outcome.
 
2013-01-15 01:20:38 PM  

highendmighty: bacongood: Every single person in my school was a bully and bullied at some point in time. It is not some binary relationship that people like to pretend it is. And not every kid that is bullied is having some creative outlet quashed... most of them are just assholes who can't figure out how to interact with people.

You have that backwards. It should read: "And not every kid that is a bully is having some creative moment .. most of them are just assholes who can't figure out how to interact with people."

Not everyone is a bully, and not everyone is bullied. That's complete bullshiat.
My Cultural Arts professor used to tell us that "We are the Nazis and we are the Jews." Total bullshiat.


sounds like some shiat gordon ramsey would say
 
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