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2013-01-15 11:22:06 AM
[Unlikely], indeed.

Any diet that requires extensive supplementation to get all the ESSENTIAL proteins and fatty acids the human body needs is NOT A GOOD DIET.

Cut down on meat in general? Fine. Go organic/free range if you eat meat? Great. Cutting it out entirely because the cow might've suffered when it was killed is bullshiat. Tell that to the lion that just tore the throat out of that gazelle. It's natural.
 
2013-01-15 11:33:19 AM
HOW to has never been a problem; stop eating animal products and ta-da!  WHY to is the difficult question.
 
2013-01-15 11:34:11 AM
I knew a girl who went Vegan for two years and was always sick, because she didn't know about the supplements she needed to take.  her doctor pretty much told her she had to start eating meat again.  she was fine after that.
 
2013-01-15 11:37:51 AM
So the solution to eating whole natural foods is to add in processed foods and chemicals?  Sounds great!

If I remember correctly, there are significant questions around soy and its impact on hormonal levels in women and girls.
 
2013-01-15 11:44:48 AM
First step: lobotomy
 
2013-01-15 11:47:12 AM
STEP ONE:
Become a complete douchebag.

STEP TWO:
Go vegan.

STEP THREE:
Make sure EVERYONE knows about it.

STEP FOUR:
Try to persuade others to be a total douchebag like you.

STEP FIVE:
Die.
 
2013-01-15 11:47:46 AM
NONDAIRY MILK

WUT?
 
2013-01-15 11:47:55 AM
....a primer for your pet herbivore.
 
2013-01-15 11:48:17 AM
FTA:
NONDAIRY CHEESE Cheese substitutes are available under the brand names Daiya, Tofutti and Follow Your Heart, among others, but many vegans say there's no fake cheese that satisfies as well as the real thing. Rather than use a packaged product, vegan chefs prefer to make homemade substitutes using cashews, tofu, miso or nutritional yeast.

You're kidding, right? Right?
 
2013-01-15 11:48:24 AM
Headline as written: The How-To We've All Been Waiting For: How To Go Vegan

Headline I would like to see: The How-To We've All Been Waiting For: How To Ignore The New York Times.

(i know, i know....don't click and all that common sense stuff)
 
2013-01-15 11:49:07 AM
Tried it once

Do you know you're not allowed to eat meat if you go vegan?
Weird.
 
2013-01-15 11:49:10 AM
I don't have a Whole Foods or Trader Joe's in my city. Does anyone know whether Amazon offers Subscribe & Save for boxes of smug?
 
2013-01-15 11:50:03 AM
Eschew every piece of knowledge we have about biological development as relates to food - cooking meat over fire helped our proto-human brains grow, for example - and pretending that morality matters to animals and that cooking eggs makes mother hens despondent over their lost broods?

// to an animal, "immorality" means "someone else got something I didn't for doing the same thing"
// to animals, "morality" largely equates to "socialism" (including high fashion/status for the alpha - not part of pure socialism, but good enough for this argument)
 
2013-01-15 11:50:18 AM

Rich Cream: NONDAIRY MILK

WUT?


Its the stuff that, combined with an office microwave, turns you into a mouse.

/obscure?
 
2013-01-15 11:50:33 AM
Step one: Think about how cute animals that you know personally are
Step two: Obsess about sad animals to the point of irrationality
Step three: Convince yourself animals are basically people, with fur, and understand complex motivations but not their role in the ecosystem
Step four: Repeat these things to yourself every time the smell of meat makes you hungry
Step five: Associate the distraught feeling of your emotional connection to the animals with your guilt over feeling hungry when you smell cooking meat

Ta daa!
 
2013-01-15 11:50:37 AM
Just be a very boring, self-important douchtard. Congratulations, you're in the club.
 
2013-01-15 11:50:46 AM
I get going vegan as an ethical choice. I don't get it as a health choice.
 
2013-01-15 11:50:55 AM

ManateeGag: I knew a girl who went Vegan for two years and was always sick, because she didn't know about the supplements she needed to take.  her doctor pretty much told her she had to start eating meat again.  she was fine after that.


[insert lame joke about penises here]


/huh huh huh, "insert"
 
2013-01-15 11:51:05 AM
How To Go Vegan aka Going Full Retard
 
2013-01-15 11:51:27 AM
I will read this with the same enthusiasm as I would "How to castrate yourself using objects found in your kitchen" and "101 Best ways to shove a hot poker up your bunghole".
 
2013-01-15 11:51:44 AM
I don't understand why they don't eat cheese and milk. It's not like you have to kill an animal to get those.
 
2013-01-15 11:52:13 AM
[howaboutnobear.jpg]
 
2013-01-15 11:52:54 AM

LeafyGreens: I don't understand why they don't eat cheese and milk. It's not like you have to kill an animal to get those.


But but bacteria and yeast have to die for milk and cheese to be safe.... and you're STEALING from the COW MAN!!!
 
2013-01-15 11:53:34 AM

LeafyGreens: I don't understand why they don't eat cheese and milk. It's not like you have to kill an animal to get those.


You have to use rennet, which is the stomach lining of a calf, to curdle milk to make cheese. There are vegan rennet substitutes available, but it's evidently still icky.
 
2013-01-15 11:53:50 AM

LeafyGreens: I don't understand why they don't eat cheese and milk. It's not like you have to kill an animal to get those.


So if a vegan woman has a baby, they are against breast feeding i assume?
 
2013-01-15 11:54:40 AM

doczoidberg: STEP ONE:
Become a complete douchebag.

STEP TWO:
Go vegan.

STEP THREE:
Make sure EVERYONE knows about it.

STEP FOUR:
Try to persuade others to be a total douchebag like you.

STEP FIVE:
Die.


Well, you conquered step one, and I'm sure you'll come to step five eventually.
 
2013-01-15 11:55:00 AM

LeafyGreens: I don't understand why they don't eat cheese and milk. It's not like you have to kill an animal to get those.


No, but you have to raise the animals and collect the milk, which violates their rights or some such thing.
 
2013-01-15 11:55:06 AM
As omnivores, denying ourselves the consumption of meat literally goes against human nature.
 
2013-01-15 11:55:24 AM

theorellior: LeafyGreens: I don't understand why they don't eat cheese and milk. It's not like you have to kill an animal to get those.

You have to use rennet, which is the stomach lining of a calf, to curdle milk to make cheese. There are vegan rennet substitutes available, but it's evidently still icky.


I didn't even THINK about the rennet step. Papa Johns and Dominos are genocidal maniac corporations.
 
2013-01-15 11:56:07 AM
Also, posting an NYT article is bad and you should feel bad,  submitter.
 
2013-01-15 11:56:50 AM

pheelix: As omnivores, denying ourselves the consumption of meat literally goes against human nature.


More so, we can survive fairly well as carnivores, but we do absolutely crappy as vegetarians. But then, I guess if you think it's natural to only be strong enough to barely support your own weight and have frail fragile bones. Maybe Vegans are trying to evolve into emus or something.
 
2013-01-15 11:57:03 AM

LeafyGreens: I don't understand why they don't eat cheese and milk. It's not like you have to kill an animal to get those.


There are factions within veganism on whether honey is okay or not. Because you don't have the bees consent, and because sometimes bees die or are injured as part of the process of honey collection.

But I learned the bees dance language. Yes I did. I made a little bee puppet to ask them in dance if it was cool for me to have some of their honey and they said "sure". I am marketing it as Ethical Honey: Now with CONSENT and it will sell for thirty dollars an ounce. The proceeds go to bee rehabilitation (we call it beehabilitation) for bees injured by the honey trade and to support hives that have lost drones and workers to the careless hands of industrial factory honey-theft operations.
 
2013-01-15 11:57:51 AM

Mr Guy

Step one: Think about how cute animals that you know personally are
Step two: Obsess about sad animals to the point of irrationality
Step three: Convince yourself animals are basically people, with fur, and understand complex motivations but not their role in the ecosystem
Step four: Repeat these things to yourself every time the smell of meat makes you hungry
Step five: Associate the distraught feeling of your emotional connection to the animals with your guilt over feeling hungry when you smell cooking meat

Ta daa!


Best summation I've heard. +10
 
2013-01-15 11:57:56 AM
Oh yeah, I'm going "vegan" ....

cookingontheside.com

right next to the steak.

That tasty, tasty steak.
 
2013-01-15 11:58:19 AM
I think it's a mistake to associate going vegan with becoming healthy. It's critical to have a thorough understanding of nutrition to be a vegan because it's supremely easy to malnourish yourself by accident. In some ways it's the other side of the coin to a high-fat diet; neither vegan nor high-fat diets are balanced enough to be called healthy without additional supplementation.

I understand some of the backlash against "processed foods" but realize that "processed" could mean almost anything. Nearly all foods and produce undergo some kind of process to become sellable. Crushing salt crystals into a fine powder is considered a process, I think we can all agree that there should be no effect on the salt's health repercussions.
 
2013-01-15 11:58:39 AM

ManateeGag: I knew a girl who went Vegan for two years and was always sick, because she didn't know about the supplements she needed to take.  her doctor pretty much told her she had to start eating meat again.  she was fine after that.


Pretty much the same results for anyone I ever see go on a "cleanse."

Day 1: "Hey, I feel like the stuff I've been eating/drinking is causing great harm to my body. How should I fix this? I know! I'll go on a 7 day liquid "cleanse" that will rid my body of all these horrible chemicals I've been hearing about on daytime talk shows! If there's one thing the human body absolutely loves to deal with, it's complete shock to the whole system!"

Day 2: "F*ck I am tired, but it must be because my body is getting rid of toxins or something!"

Day 3: "Wow, I am insanely tired but I can do this!"

Day 4: "OK, I just have a few more days of this left."

Day 5: "I just want this to be over."

Day 6: "I can barely get out of bed."

Day 7: "Why do I feel sick?"

Post cleanse: "Wow, I was sick for an entire week after my cleanse and I was ridiculously tired. It must be because my body was dealing with all the toxins I got rid of. I'm just glad my energy levels are creeping slowly creeping back up. I'll need to do another cleanse in 3 months, this time I'll do it for 10 days!"
 
2013-01-15 11:59:09 AM

Rich Cream: NONDAIRY MILK

WUT?


Almond milk, soy milk, coconut milk, Harvey Milk, rice milk...
I actually prefer almond milk to dairy milk. Tastes good, more nutrients, no hormones.

/I'm not vegan or vegetarian
 
2013-01-15 11:59:35 AM

pheelix: As omnivores, denying ourselves the consumption of meat literally goes against human nature.


One of my rules of thumb for meals is to maximize the number of species, animal or vegetable, that are waiting for me on my plate.
 
2013-01-15 12:00:04 PM

xanadian: [Unlikely], indeed.

Any diet that requires extensive supplementation to get all the ESSENTIAL proteins and fatty acids the human body needs is NOT A GOOD DIET.

Cut down on meat in general? Fine. Go organic/free range if you eat meat? Great. Cutting it out entirely because the cow might've suffered when it was killed is bullshiat. Tell that to the lion that just tore the throat out of that gazelle. It's natural.


I tried to do it when I first started trying to lower my cholesterol. It works, but I'm responding better to going as low-carb as I possibly can, and eat healthier cuts of meat when I do. Most of us Westerners could stand to cut back substantially on the animal protein. Heck, I was born in 1975, and back then the recommended amount of meat back then was about the size of a deck of cards. Serving sizes were a lot smaller, too.

Most us Westerners eat a bad diet. That's one of the reason they put iodide in our table salt, among other things.
 
2013-01-15 12:00:28 PM

Mr Guy: Step one: Think about how cute animals that you know personally are
Step two: Obsess about sad animals to the point of irrationality
Step three: Convince yourself animals are basically people, with fur, and understand complex motivations but not their role in the ecosystem
Step four: Repeat these things to yourself every time the smell of meat makes you hungry
Step five: Associate the distraught feeling of your emotional connection to the animals with your guilt over feeling hungry when you smell cooking meat

Ta daa!


+1

Thank you, saved me time
 
2013-01-15 12:01:10 PM

ElFugawz: I actually prefer almond milk to dairy milk. Tastes good, more nutrients, no hormones.


I'm lactose intolerant, and drinking dairy milk is vaguely nauseating anyway. Almond milk is the best substitute out there. Plus, it doesn't have the gritty mouth feel of soy milk.
 
2013-01-15 12:01:17 PM
Go vegan?

How about go fark yourself.
 
2013-01-15 12:02:11 PM
Anyone have a good how to go paleo book for starters?
 
2013-01-15 12:02:36 PM

ElFugawz: Rich Cream: NONDAIRY MILK

WUT?

Almond milk, soy milk, coconut milk, Harvey Milk, rice milk...
I actually prefer almond milk to dairy milk. Tastes good, more nutrients, no hormones.

/I'm not vegan or vegetarian


yup... I use unsweetened almond milk. lower in carbs (i'm type 1 diabetic). tastes better than dairy milk and is better for me.
 
2013-01-15 12:03:22 PM

jfivealive: LeafyGreens: I don't understand why they don't eat cheese and milk. It's not like you have to kill an animal to get those.

So if a vegan woman has a baby, they are against breast feeding i assume?



No, they are ok with that because the kid stealing the milk is their own.

But they wills till get real smarmy with you when they have to explain it to you.
 
2013-01-15 12:04:14 PM

Rich Cream: NONDAIRY MILK

WUT?


Almond/soy/etc milk.

*shudder*
 
2013-01-15 12:04:31 PM

theMightyRegeya: Most us Westerners eat a bad diet. That's one of the reason they put iodide in our table salt, among other things.


The farther you live from the sea, the harder it is to get enough iodine, especially if you're in an area with iodine-deficient soil. Goiters have been part of human populations for millenia.
 
2013-01-15 12:05:46 PM

ElFugawz: Rich Cream: NONDAIRY MILK

WUT?

Almond milk, soy milk, coconut milk, Harvey Milk, rice milk...
I actually prefer almond milk to dairy milk. Tastes good, more nutrients, no hormones.

/I'm not vegan or vegetarian


Not actually milk, just.. white liquids.
 
Ant
2013-01-15 12:05:51 PM
Step 1: Forget that you like food.


I like some vegan dishes, but I love food way too much to limit myself.
 
2013-01-15 12:06:35 PM
Those aren't "milk", they're fluids of a whitish opaque appearance.
 
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