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(US News)   NY State becomes the first to pass new gun-control laws since the Newtown massacre, which among other things limits magazines to 7 rounds, down from a previous limit of 10. Gee, I feel safer already   (usnews.com) divider line 368
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2013-01-15 09:54:14 AM
Great news for magazine manufacturers! They get to sell zillions of re-configured mags in NY now.
One million extended magazines now for sale, too. They'll go quick! And all the Ruger Mini 14s are now less lethal since they can't have a tactical stock with pistol grip switched for the traditional stock.
Oh, and potential nut-jobs planning to shoot first responders will no doubt be deterred by whatever stiff sentences are now on the books. Yup, safer already.
 
2013-01-15 10:22:27 AM
You and I are on opposite sides of this debate in many ways, but that's my headline because I agree with you 100%.  This law is beyond stupid.  Poltical window-dressing that will acoomplish nothing.  It unfotunately proves the point of gun-owners who complain they are sometimes made to be punching bags to make people feel better while making no one safer
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-15 10:34:19 AM

clydedog: Great news for magazine manufacturers! They get to sell zillions of re-configured mags in NY now.
One million extended magazines now for sale, too. They'll go quick! And all the Ruger Mini 14s are now less lethal since they can't have a tactical stock with pistol grip switched for the traditional stock.
Oh, and potential nut-jobs planning to shoot first responders will no doubt be deterred by whatever stiff sentences are now on the books. Yup, safer already.


So the magazine capacity is the same for hunting first graders as for deer now?  Much more sporting.
 
2013-01-15 10:53:23 AM

Magorn: You and I are on opposite sides of this debate in many ways, but that's my headline because I agree with you 100%. This law is beyond stupid.


Beyond stupid = standard operating procedure in Albany.
 
2013-01-15 10:58:12 AM

Magorn: You and I are on opposite sides of this debate in many ways, but that's my headline because I agree with you 100%.  This law is beyond stupid.  Poltical window-dressing that will acoomplish nothing.  It unfotunately proves the point of gun-owners who complain they are sometimes made to be punching bags to make people feel better while making no one safer


This is all for Cuomo's resume.
He and Gov. O'Malley in MD are trying to out-liberal one another on this issue to gear up for the 2016
Democratic primaries..

When O'Malley was up for re-election he passed bills upholding the castle law, downgraded restrictions on CCW, and making it illegal for gun-owners to be sued if stolen weapons were used in subsequent crimes. The left didn't want these, but he needed votes on the right for the win, and he knew he wouldn't lose many votes from his followers. It's all for show, folks!
 
2013-01-15 11:02:34 AM

vpb: clydedog: Great news for magazine manufacturers! They get to sell zillions of re-configured mags in NY now.
One million extended magazines now for sale, too. They'll go quick! And all the Ruger Mini 14s are now less lethal since they can't have a tactical stock with pistol grip switched for the traditional stock.
Oh, and potential nut-jobs planning to shoot first responders will no doubt be deterred by whatever stiff sentences are now on the books. Yup, safer already.

So the magazine capacity is the same for hunting first graders as for deer now?  Much more sporting.


Your snark would be more effective if you knew what you were talking about.
 
2013-01-15 11:21:39 AM
Newburgh feels safer already.

/not even a little
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-15 11:33:12 AM

clydedog: vpb: clydedog: Great news for magazine manufacturers! They get to sell zillions of re-configured mags in NY now.
One million extended magazines now for sale, too. They'll go quick! And all the Ruger Mini 14s are now less lethal since they can't have a tactical stock with pistol grip switched for the traditional stock.
Oh, and potential nut-jobs planning to shoot first responders will no doubt be deterred by whatever stiff sentences are now on the books. Yup, safer already.

So the magazine capacity is the same for hunting first graders as for deer now?  Much more sporting.

Your snark would be more effective if you knew what you were talking about.


Well, I don't know much about hunting first graders, but I am sure you have fantasized over it, but I do know that magazine capacity was limited to 6 rounds for semi-auto rifles for hunting.

It's strange how high capacity magazines are unsportsman-like when hunting animals but are totally safe for people.
 
2013-01-15 11:33:51 AM

clydedog: vpb: clydedog: Great news for magazine manufacturers! They get to sell zillions of re-configured mags in NY now.
One million extended magazines now for sale, too. They'll go quick! And all the Ruger Mini 14s are now less lethal since they can't have a tactical stock with pistol grip switched for the traditional stock.
Oh, and potential nut-jobs planning to shoot first responders will no doubt be deterred by whatever stiff sentences are now on the books. Yup, safer already.

So the magazine capacity is the same for hunting first graders as for deer now?  Much more sporting.

Your snark would be more effective if you knew what you were talking about.



You're really on a roll today, Francis.
 
2013-01-15 11:38:42 AM
Problem solved: carry your extra magazines in a big soda cup!
 
2013-01-15 11:58:39 AM
Will the older, higher capacity magazines be grandfathered in again, or will they need to be surrendered?
 
2013-01-15 11:58:42 AM

Magorn: You and I are on opposite sides of this debate in many ways, but that's my headline because I agree with you 100%.  This law is beyond stupid.  Poltical window-dressing that will acoomplish nothing.  It unfotunately proves the point of gun-owners who complain they are sometimes made to be punching bags to make people feel better while making no one safer


but but but, only the scary guns are dangerous right? We have to stop people from having the scary ones.
 
2013-01-15 11:59:12 AM
fark you, subbie.
 
2013-01-15 11:59:29 AM
Well, it's  three safer, isn't it? It's not ten.

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2013-01-15 11:59:32 AM
I'm sure that will stop the criminals from going over to any other state and buying "hig cap" mags. Since when is 10 rounds high capacity? Most .380s and 9mms hold over 15 anyway.
 
2013-01-15 11:59:40 AM
Three out of ten potential shooting victims applaud the new legislation.
 
2013-01-15 11:59:48 AM
"A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." - Shakespeare, "MacBeth"

The most common theme in these massacres, and with the subway pushings and the like, are homicidal individuals with some level of mental instability. Unless this issue is addressed as well the availability of semiautomatic weapons (which is the other common theme in the massacres), then the solution is just going to be a circle-jerk.

With the gun grabbers pushing for only firearm controls, and the gun huggers pushing for everything but, perhaps a real solution can arise from the Newtown massacre.
 
2013-01-15 11:59:59 AM
And with the advent of 3d printing totally useless law

Why would anyone live in NY? Crappy weather, moronic government, ridiculous taxes.
 
2013-01-15 12:00:44 PM
Bill passed at 11PM without prior notice, and they waived the typically mandatory 3-day review period for new legislation.

Fantastic government we have here, don't we?

What this bill wont do: save lives

What this bill will do: Put a notch in Cum-o's belt on the way to the White House

/knew Cum-o was a piece of shiat the day he forced the ISPs to close down newsgroups because "wont somebody please think of the children"
 
2013-01-15 12:01:17 PM
I like how legal owners now are criminals unless the submit to booking and sell off their magazines.

Hopefully Democrats lose some power because of this stuff. Next step, 4th amendment gone so the ATF can raid houses for magazines.
 
2013-01-15 12:01:36 PM
If I promise to only load seven round in my ten round magazine would that be OK?
Not my fault the gun came with a ten round magazine.
 
2013-01-15 12:01:45 PM

Wise_Guy: Will the older, higher capacity magazines be grandfathered in again, or will they need to be surrendered?


Anything over 10 rounds must be "disposed of" within a year of signing, with limited exceptions for "curios and relics" over 50 years old.

All new production must be limited to 7 rounds.

Magazines that are 10 rounds or less are OK to possess, but if you load them with more than 7 rounds, it's illegal.
 
2013-01-15 12:02:08 PM
Adding to the already crazy quilt patchwork of gun laws will solve nothing. What's need is universal licensing of gun owners at the federal level.
 
2013-01-15 12:02:14 PM
Also, it's relatively easy to just stamp out some magazines as big as you want and buy a spring from the hardware store. We should ban hardware stores because I can go make a pipebomb and 50 round magazines in the same day thanks to Home Depot.


/This thread again
 
2013-01-15 12:02:20 PM
Next it will be 5, then 3 then outright ban.
 
2013-01-15 12:02:52 PM

Wise_Guy: Will the older, higher capacity magazines be grandfathered in again, or will they need to be surrendered?


It says they have a year to get rid of them.

And gun manufacturer's are gonna make some coin off this. 7 rounds is not a current standard for magazine capacity. Nearly everyone is going to have to go buy new ones.

If I were there, I'd buy a new small capacity magazine and hide my large capacity magazines.
 
2013-01-15 12:03:13 PM

duffblue: I'm sure that will stop the criminals from going over to any other state and buying "hig cap" mags. Since when is 10 rounds high capacity? Most .380s and 9mms hold over 15 anyway.


Pretty much everyone that owns a semiautomatic handgun in New York State is now farked. Only those who own Colt 1911's or the like will be unaffected.
 
2013-01-15 12:03:36 PM
So now I just need to carry a spare clip before I go on my rampage?

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2013-01-15 12:03:44 PM
Its a farking start. At this point just passing anything called "gun control" anywhere will help to get better legislation going. Just because this law doesnt go far enough doesnt mean its a bad thing.
 
2013-01-15 12:03:57 PM
Gun control isn't the answer, changing the gun CULTURE is what's needed.

I know, fat chance.
 
2013-01-15 12:04:47 PM
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2013-01-15 12:04:53 PM

quickdraw: Its a farking start. At this point just passing anything called "gun control" anywhere will help to get better legislation going. Just because this law doesnt go far enough doesnt mean its a bad thing.


Gun controls laws don't do anything to begin with.

High gun control = more gun violence. Way to go, fear monger.
 
2013-01-15 12:05:04 PM
So expect 8 (or more) round revolvers to be really popular next year in NY.
 
2013-01-15 12:05:10 PM
So, now I have to count my shots before I reload. WTH, New York?

//No, seriously, WTH? Did they really think this was a serious law that was a game-changer?
 
2013-01-15 12:05:12 PM
So glad I don't live there...
 
2013-01-15 12:05:47 PM

cgraves67: Wise_Guy: Will the older, higher capacity magazines be grandfathered in again, or will they need to be surrendered?

It says they have a year to get rid of them.

And gun manufacturer's are gonna make some coin off this. 7 rounds is not a current standard for magazine capacity. Nearly everyone is going to have to go buy new ones.

If I were there, I'd buy a new small capacity magazine and hide my large capacity magazines.


The 7-round limit is artificial. It basically makes it a 5-round limit. The farkers farking knew 7 is not common.

Oh and all the new paperwork and registration that is required, the government will be processing all that paperwork for free, right? Its not as if they are using this as an opportunity to bring in some more cash for themselves.
 
2013-01-15 12:06:00 PM
I definitely agree with the background checks, i don't think anyone disagrees with that. I also agree with the magazine size restrictions because I can't think of any reason to have a large magazine size. The only argument I've seen for it is because magazines are spring loaded and they can be a biatch and tiresome on your fingers to reload. So if you're going to the range, its just a huge inconvenience.

So how come they can't make it so it's legal for a range to have large capacity magazines. People come in, trade in their ammo to use the already pre filled magazines, or straight up buy the ammo there. The business is required to keep track of the mags to make sure they are returned, and make sure that the people who are using them all have valid gun permits and have been submitted to the required background checks. Is that unreasonable?
 
2013-01-15 12:06:11 PM

dittybopper: duffblue: I'm sure that will stop the criminals from going over to any other state and buying "hig cap" mags. Since when is 10 rounds high capacity? Most .380s and 9mms hold over 15 anyway.

Pretty much everyone that owns a semiautomatic handgun in New York State is now farked. Only those who own Colt 1911's or the like will be unaffected.


Can we please stop saying "semi-automatic" as if it's meaningful? What guns aren't semi-autos these days? Even one of my shotguns is. And it holds three shells, but I have to plug it to only hold three in order to hunt birds.
 
2013-01-15 12:06:29 PM

quickdraw: Its a farking start. At this point just passing anything called "gun control" anywhere will help to get better legislation going. Just because this law doesnt go far enough doesnt mean its a bad thing.


Because as we learned in the drug war if regulation doesn't have any effect you just have to regulate harder.
 
2013-01-15 12:06:49 PM

CruJones: dittybopper: duffblue: I'm sure that will stop the criminals from going over to any other state and buying "hig cap" mags. Since when is 10 rounds high capacity? Most .380s and 9mms hold over 15 anyway.

Pretty much everyone that owns a semiautomatic handgun in New York State is now farked. Only those who own Colt 1911's or the like will be unaffected.

Can we please stop saying "semi-automatic" as if it's meaningful? What guns aren't semi-autos these days? Even one of my shotguns is. And it holds three shells, but I have to plug it to only hold three in order to hunt birds.


Ahem, it holds FIVE shells, but has to be plugged to hold three.
 
2013-01-15 12:06:58 PM
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Still bulletproof, but still approves.
 
2013-01-15 12:07:22 PM
Congratulations on creating a new black market commodity New York!
 
2013-01-15 12:07:50 PM
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Magorn: You and I are on opposite sides of this debate in many ways, but that's my headline because I agree with you 100%. This law is beyond stupid.

Beyond stupid = standard operating procedure in Albany for leftists.
Ftfy
 
2013-01-15 12:07:58 PM
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i are dum.
 
2013-01-15 12:08:23 PM
In another provision, a therapist who believes a mental health patient made a credible threat to use a gun illegally would be required to report it to a mental health director who would have to notify the state.

I think the scariest part is that apparently this wasn't required to begin with.
 
2013-01-15 12:08:41 PM
FTA: "The legislation also increases sentences for gun crimes including the shooting of a first responder that Cuomo called the "Webster provision." Last month in the western New York town of Webster, two firefighters were killed after responding to a fire set by the shooter, who eventually killed himself."

Threatening the suicidal with increased jail time sound useless to anyone else here?

On EITHER side of this debate?
 
2013-01-15 12:08:42 PM

cig-mkr: If I promise to only load seven round in my ten round magazine would that be OK?
Not my fault the gun came with a ten round magazine.


Same same for my Glock 30. What a farking stupid law...have a 10 round magazine but may only load 7? More than 7 and I'd now be a criminal (if I lived in that shiathole state, which I don't).

Sorry New Yorkers: your civil rights aren't nearly as important as people falsely feeling safer. Hope you don't lose any more rights.
 
2013-01-15 12:09:03 PM
This law makes me feel great. I can totally feel safe now.


/feelings
 
2013-01-15 12:09:08 PM

quickdraw: Its a farking start. At this point just passing anything called "gun control" anywhere will help to get better legislation going. Just because this law doesnt go far enough doesnt mean its a bad thing.


Unfortunately it still does nothing. Murder has been against the law for a very long time... but that fact doesn't seem to slow some people down. Do you honestly think that "Gee, murder is against the law, but that won't stop me. But using this particular tool to commit murder is *also* against the law, so that must be really bad to do, so I guess I won't murder anyone - not because murder is illegal, but because using this particular tool to do it with is *extra* illegal".

Get real. Only way to stop mass shooting is either a) arm everyone (or anyone who wants to be armed) and give 'em a fighting chance back or b) fix the people problem.

As a gun owner and frequent shooter (skeet, trap, idpa, 3 gun, bench, sillhouettes, etc) even I don't think that option A is the best answer but allowign those of us who have been finger printed, background checked, etc. to carry certainly would help. But it is the people problem that has to be solved. Take away guns, or even just some kinds of guns, and it won't help. There have been plenty of mass murders done in this country with knives, explosives, and locked buildings set on fire.
 
2013-01-15 12:09:15 PM
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