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(CNN)   Chuck Hagel would be a bad Secretary of Defense because he opposes blundering into disastrous, catastrophically expensive wars and wants to reduce the antagonism the entire rest of the world feels towards America   (cnn.com) divider line 36
    More: Obvious, Hagel, Simon Wiesenthal Center, Republican Jewish Coalition, United States Secretary of Defense, Ari Fleischer, George W. Bush Administration, White House Press Secretary, Anti-Defamation League  
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2013-01-15 08:35:29 AM
One need not read past the Editor's Note.
 
2013-01-15 08:44:13 AM
Plus, I heard he hates the Jews because he opposes endless military aid while they conquer their neighbors.  True story.
 
2013-01-15 08:59:49 AM
Neocon says what?
 
2013-01-15 09:21:37 AM
What a horrible man.
 
2013-01-15 09:24:46 AM
How gauche.
 
2013-01-15 09:31:17 AM
CNN is worthless.
 
2013-01-15 09:34:01 AM
He's not a Pentagon tool so many Repugs are concerned.
 
2013-01-15 09:35:01 AM

Epoch_Zero: CNN is worthless.



Corporate News Network: we give you the 'news' we think you need to know. wink.
 
2013-01-15 09:39:31 AM
The Hagel pick was a brilliant move on Obama's part because it shows him reaching across the aisle on defense and provokes the completely farking insane right wing to flail about to find problems with his pick. It shows how desperately anti-Obama they are under any circumstances more than the election did.
 
2013-01-15 09:42:28 AM

Bloody William: The Hagel pick was a brilliant move on Obama's part because it shows him reaching across the aisle on defense and provokes the completely farking insane right wing to flail about to find problems with his pick. It shows how desperately anti-Obama they are under any circumstances more than the election did.


Not only that, but it appears that his pick of Hagel (and Lew as well) is showing some of the wafflers in the Democratic caucus that the filibuster is ridiculously broken and convincing them to vote for the Merkley-Udall-Harkin reform package.
 
2013-01-15 09:43:59 AM
I'm not interested in all the craziness the right wing is tossing out about the Hagel pick, my only thought is "when was the last time a Republican won a war?" It's been a long time, and since then they've had a pretty crappy record. Why are they still the go-to party for defense at all?
 
2013-01-15 09:44:03 AM

Bloody William: The Hagel pick was a brilliant move on Obama's part because it shows him reaching across the aisle on defense and provokes the completely farking insane right wing to flail about to find problems with his pick. It shows how desperately anti-Obama they are under any circumstances more than the election did.


And as (I think) Andrew Sullivan pointed out: it gives us an opportunity to have neo-cons publicly display explain just why they continue to think their bush-era policies were a good idea (ie. they're batshiat insane). This can only be good for the country.
 
2013-01-15 09:50:28 AM
They really have no idea what the Secretary of Defense actually does.
 
2013-01-15 09:51:33 AM

Falcc: I'm not interested in all the craziness the right wing is tossing out about the Hagel pick, my only thought is "when was the last time a Republican won a war?"


Bush Sr.
 
2013-01-15 09:53:57 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: They really have no idea what the Secretary of Defense actually does.


images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-01-15 10:00:13 AM

Therion: One need not read past the Editor's Note.


I did anyway. It's not exactly an impressive argument.

FTAri: A Gallup poll taken last year showed 71% of the American people view Israel favorably while only 19% view the Palestinian Authority favorably and just 10% view Iran favorably.

If this is the best the pro-Israel lobby can do, I'm shocked. They're more favorable than Iran and the PLO? No offense to either nation, but that's like voting for raw sewage over nuclear waste.

He quotes Hagel at the start, saying few are willing to stand up to the Israel lobby, then points out later that Hagel's "alone" in refusing to support Israel. Then mentions there were 3 senators that agreed with him.

neither of my senators -- Chuck Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand -- supports Israel because someone muscled them into that position through intimidation. They both support Israel because the lobby that wants them to support Israel is an American lobby

Not because Israel is awesome, because someone was paid to tell them Israel is awesome. Keep digging, dumbass.
 
2013-01-15 10:17:35 AM

moothemagiccow: Therion: One need not read past the Editor's Note.

I did anyway. It's not exactly an impressive argument.

FTAri: A Gallup poll taken last year showed 71% of the American people view Israel favorably while only 19% view the Palestinian Authority favorably and just 10% view Iran favorably.

If this is the best the pro-Israel lobby can do, I'm shocked. They're more favorable than Iran and the PLO? No offense to either nation, but that's like voting for raw sewage over nuclear waste.

He quotes Hagel at the start, saying few are willing to stand up to the Israel lobby, then points out later that Hagel's "alone" in refusing to support Israel. Then mentions there were 3 senators that agreed with him.

neither of my senators -- Chuck Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand -- supports Israel because someone muscled them into that position through intimidation. They both support Israel because the lobby that wants them to support Israel is an American lobby

Not because Israel is awesome, because someone was paid to tell them Israel is awesome. Keep digging, dumbass.


I think that's a pretty valid point. I don't particularly love the Israeli government (I believe they are running an aparthied state and I find that morally reprehensible on any grounds), but comparing them to Iran?? Why not ask what's more popular, brussel sprouts, or kicks to the balls?
 
2013-01-15 10:27:16 AM
This whole Hagel episode is revealing just how radically terrible the GOP's foreign policy positions still are. They haven't learned a damn thing from Iraq, totally unapologetic for all their lies and misleading the nation into war.

And they'd do it again.

Great move by Obama for bringing this all back into the light.
 
2013-01-15 11:10:56 AM
That idiot cockbag is writing for CNN now? Why don't they just bin the entire network.
 
2013-01-15 11:13:48 AM

GAT_00: Plus, I heard he hates the Jews because he opposes endless military aid while they conquer their neighbors.  True story.


who are they trying to conquer?
 
2013-01-15 11:13:56 AM

Zeno-25: This whole Hagel episode is revealing just how radically terrible the GOP's foreign policy positions still are. They haven't learned a damn thing from Iraq, totally unapologetic for all their lies and misleading the nation into war.

And they'd do it again.

Great move by Obama for bringing this all back into the light.


This isn't new. They don't apologize for ANYTHING EVER. It's always either someone else's fault, or they pivot to try to attack someone else for something else instead. The Iraqi debacle isn't special in that regard.
 
2013-01-15 11:29:42 AM
He is a paid consultant and board member for the Republican Jewish Coalition

Clearly no bias here.
 
2013-01-15 11:31:03 AM
FTFA: Israel is widely supported by the American people because Israel deserves to be supported. Israel is a lonely democratic ally and a steady friend of the United States in a dangerous and tumultuous region. Their people are like the American people -- free, independent, capitalistic and tolerant.

Massive load of bullshiat right there.
 
2013-01-15 11:37:17 AM
Therion
One need not read past the Editor's Note.
 
2013-01-15 11:37:53 AM

Uncle Tractor: FTFA: Israel is widely supported by the American people because Israel deserves to be supported. Israel is a lonely democratic ally and a steady friend of the United States in a dangerous and tumultuous region. Their people are like the American people -- free, independent, capitalistic and tolerant.

Massive load of bullshiat right there.


You won't see more bullshiat than that unless you go find a cow barn.
 
2013-01-15 11:49:42 AM
You go to war with the Sec. of Defense you have, not the Sec. of Defense you want or wish to have at a later time.
 
2013-01-15 12:20:08 PM

Falcc: I'm not interested in all the craziness the right wing is tossing out about the Hagel pick, my only thought is "when was the last time a Republican won a war?" It's been a long time, and since then they've had a pretty crappy record. Why are they still the go-to party for defense at all?


Why win a war? It's much more profitable for your cronies to drag one out for decades.
 
2013-01-15 12:26:25 PM
My favorite is still David Frum worrying that since Hagel's critics have been repeatedly wrong in underestimating the cost and difficulty of military adventurism in the Middle East, we should assume that Hagel will be repeatedly wrong in overestimating the cost and difficulty of military adventurism in the Middle East. Hell, he might claim that underground facilities built to resist air strikes could withstand a bombing and would need troops on the ground to verify the damages, instead of telling the public the air strikes are all that is needed and then expand it to ground troops afterwards!

Look, Israel is our ally and the lesser of two evils in the region. However, the idea that they don't hold an inordinate amount of influence over our policy decisions compared to how much we have over them is laughable. We have repeatedly caught them spying on us, and it has never resulted in a souring of our international relations (hell, they've convinced a decent chunk of Congress to lobby the last couple presidents for these spies to be pardoned.) Israel doesn't deserve special treatment especially when they flagrantly slap us in the face (see: announcing settlement expansions the second Biden arrives to negotiate a settlement freeze), and anyone who thinks they don't get special treatment is blind. Israel is as much a US ally as Britain; no more, no less.
 
2013-01-15 12:32:45 PM
We view the British overwhelmingly favorably, but we don't give them $500 per citizen. Also, the British spy less on us, the last time the UK sunk a US warship was near exactly two hundred years ago, and they don't have a massive lobby spending millions of dollars to convince our legislature that we should keep them in the manner to which they have become accustomed.
 
2013-01-15 12:44:32 PM

RsquaredW: We view the British overwhelmingly favorably, but we don't give them $500 per citizen. Also, the British spy less on us, the last time the UK sunk a US warship was near exactly two hundred years ago, and they don't have a massive lobby spending millions of dollars to convince our legislature that we should keep them in the manner to which they have become accustomed.


British women aren't as hot, though, and the cuisine is inferior.

/Israel really needs to get off our teat
 
2013-01-15 12:50:08 PM

RsquaredW: We view the British overwhelmingly favorably, but we don't give them $500 per citizen. Also, the British spy less on us, the last time the UK sunk a US warship was near exactly two hundred years ago, and they don't have a massive lobby spending millions of dollars to convince our legislature that we should keep them in the manner to which they have become accustomed.


Well....

"England is just a small island. Its roads and houses are small. With few exceptions, it doesn't make things that people in the rest of the world want to buy. And if it hadn't been separated from the continent by water, it almost certainly would have been lost to Hitler's ambitions."
 
2013-01-15 01:14:41 PM

Diogenes: [images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 425x645]


that was a weird war machine run.
 
2013-01-15 01:25:26 PM

Diogenes: Philip Francis Queeg: They really have no idea what the Secretary of Defense actually does.

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 425x645]


Rhodey/Stark 2016
 
2013-01-15 01:40:23 PM

RsquaredW: We view the British overwhelmingly favorably, but we don't give them $500 per citizen. Also, the British spy less on us, the last time the UK sunk a US warship was near exactly two hundred years ago, and they don't have a massive lobby spending millions of dollars to convince our legislature that we should keep them in the manner to which they have become accustomed.


F'in THIS!
 
2013-01-15 01:44:10 PM
I saw a wonderful Letter to the Editor in today's Atlantic City Press on this subject. Allow me to quote a bit:
"The pro-Israel lobby and the mindless religious right don't like him. The far left doesn't like him. The war-mongering chicken hawks who never saw a country they did not want to bomb don't like him.

Hagel's got my vote."

I tend to agree.
 
2013-01-15 06:51:50 PM

Lord_Baull: You go to war with the Sec. of Defense you have, not the Sec. of Defense you want or wish to have at a later time.


Donald Rumsfeld. The worst boss I will ever have worked for in my entire life.

In 2004 I didn't vote for Kerry or against Bush. I voted to fire that asshole.
 
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