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2013-01-15 08:45:57 AM
i261.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-15 08:47:20 AM
In case you are not in on the joke, somebody at the Atlantic posted Scientology-written pro-Scientology content and made it look like a regular Atlantic article.

// That could never happen here.
 
2013-01-15 09:12:28 AM

notmtwain: In case you are not in on the joke, somebody at the Atlantic posted Scientology-written pro-Scientology content and made it look like a regular Atlantic article.

// That could never happen here.


So are they gonna shut down sponsor content, or shut down comments on sponsor content?

More details: Washington Post
 
2013-01-15 10:31:08 AM
They (Scientology) had to know something like this would happen (they'd be busted). More bad publicity.
 
2013-01-15 10:32:34 AM

JohnAnnArbor: They (Scientology) had to know something like this would happen (they'd be busted). More bad publicity.


When your business model is "evil cult bent on world domination," pretty much any publicity is good publicity.
 
2013-01-15 10:35:21 AM

The_Gallant_Gallstone: JohnAnnArbor: They (Scientology) had to know something like this would happen (they'd be busted). More bad publicity.

When your business model is "evil cult bent on world domination," pretty much any publicity is good publicity.


So, exactly how would I best fund this business model if I required, say, an underground cavern filled with cool anti-social technology?
 
2013-01-15 10:36:53 AM

The_Gallant_Gallstone: When your business model is "evil cult bent on world domination," pretty much any publicity is good publicity.


Well summed up. I just fail to see how it is any different than other organized religions (other than being new).
 
2013-01-15 10:37:12 AM
whut
 
2013-01-15 10:37:52 AM

The_Gallant_Gallstone: JohnAnnArbor: They (Scientology) had to know something like this would happen (they'd be busted). More bad publicity.

When your business model is "evil cult bent on world domination," pretty much any publicity is good publicity.


Except Scientology's business model is based on exploiting the weak minded and those with serious esteem issues. Good publicity makes them look like an alternative to getting real help and actual counseling. Bad publicity makes them look like the exploitative moonbats and con artists they actually are.
 
2013-01-15 10:38:07 AM
It's about time someone finally did sometihing about the video ads blareing about.

Hey you, get off my lawn!
 
2013-01-15 10:39:35 AM
Those responsible for the content of these ads have been sacked.
 
2013-01-15 10:40:14 AM

hitlersbrain: The_Gallant_Gallstone: When your business model is "evil cult bent on world domination," pretty much any publicity is good publicity.

Well summed up. I just fail to see how it is any different than other organized religions (other than being new).


I've never heard of any protestant church demanding payment to know the upper level secrets of christianity. In fact, most of them will just give you the book for free.
 
2013-01-15 10:41:10 AM

pkellmey: So, exactly how would I best fund this business model if I required, say, an underground cavern filled with cool anti-social technology?


Tell people what they want to hear. Pander to their delusions. Make them dependent on your acceptance. Have them give you their stuff. Spend a small fraction on 'charity' to look legit. It's an awesome job if you can live with yourself, just ask the Pope.
 
2013-01-15 10:41:47 AM

hdhale: Except Scientology's business model is based on exploiting the weak minded and those with serious esteem issues. Good publicity makes them look like an alternative to getting real help and actual counseling. Bad publicity makes them look like the exploitative moonbats and con artists they actually are.


Doesn't matter; alienation and atomization combined with individual rapport with the Scientology representative are the decisive factors for recruiting. Bad publicity can be spun as "efforts of the conspiracy" to undermine the good work of the movement.

Bad publicity can be used to affirm that the movement is being taken seriously by its "enemies" and can establish an appeal to those who, weak-minded or not, feel similarly marginalized.
 
2013-01-15 10:42:10 AM

pkellmey: So, exactly how would I best fund this business model if I required, say, an underground cavern filled with cool anti-social technology?


Anti-social technology?  Is that like a smartphone that only turns on when no one is around?
 
2013-01-15 10:44:06 AM
They altered the agreement. Pray they do not alter it further.
 
2013-01-15 10:44:11 AM

jaybeezey: I've never heard of any protestant church demanding payment to know the upper level secrets of christianity. In fact, most of them will just give you the book for free.


They will start shaming you pretty quick into coughing up 10% of your income (and that's off-the-top people!).
 
2013-01-15 10:44:21 AM
I'm thinking that if they had put this article of theirs in the World News Daily instead of The Atlantic, none of this would have ever happened.
 
2013-01-15 10:45:26 AM
Unless I'm missing something here, with the much noted expection that it's pro-Scientology, I don't see how this differs from any other advertorial spread you regularly see in the middle of Sports Illustrated, Time, Nat Geo, or any other major publication.
 
2013-01-15 10:45:43 AM
Sponsored content is a bad idea regardless of who it's from. That The Atlantic of all things did this is just sad. They've done a pretty good job of transforming their on-line edition into something profitable and popular, but they went too far here.

Someone just got fired. And hopefully everyone else learned a lesson.
 
2013-01-15 10:46:28 AM

Mentat: pkellmey: So, exactly how would I best fund this business model if I required, say, an underground cavern filled with cool anti-social technology?

Anti-social technology?  Is that like a smartphone that only turns on when no one is around?


A network of cell phone jammers that you turn on during rush hour?
 
2013-01-15 10:47:56 AM

Mentat: pkellmey: So, exactly how would I best fund this business model if I required, say, an underground cavern filled with cool anti-social technology?

Anti-social technology?  Is that like a smartphone that only turns on when no one is around?


No, I'm just upset that I had a cool patent on my underground cavern door opening with an iPhone app, and then Apple sued me over it. Now, I can't keep my cavern clean from all the caped costume people running around trashing the joint.
 
2013-01-15 10:48:35 AM
Battlefield Derp
 
2013-01-15 10:48:51 AM

notmtwain: In case you are not in on the joke, somebody at the Atlantic posted Scientology-written pro-Scientology content and made it look like a regular Atlantic article.

// That could never happen here.


I'm interested in the "and subsequent comment threads" component. XD
 
2013-01-15 10:49:52 AM
But are Tom and Katy getting back together?
 
2013-01-15 10:50:17 AM

The_Gallant_Gallstone: JohnAnnArbor: They (Scientology) had to know something like this would happen (they'd be busted). More bad publicity.

When your business model is "evil cult bent on world domination," pretty much any publicity is good publicity.


i'm not so sure. i think praying on the weak, depressed, and despondent that have never heard of your cult through some bullshiat energy readings might be a better plan.
 
2013-01-15 10:50:36 AM
Advertorial, a written form of infomercial.

Native ads, an advertisement written to look like an editorial

This is double-ungood.
 
2013-01-15 10:50:40 AM

Mentat: pkellmey: So, exactly how would I best fund this business model if I required, say, an underground cavern filled with cool anti-social technology?

Anti-social technology?  Is that like a smartphone that only turns on when no one is around?


Siri is a mean drunk.
 
2013-01-15 10:50:45 AM

swahnhennessy: Sponsored content is a bad idea regardless of who it's from. That The Atlantic of all things did this is just sad. They've done a pretty good job of transforming their on-line edition into something profitable and popular, but they went too far here.

Someone just got fired. And hopefully everyone else learned a lesson.


Yep. fired. Good riddance.
 
2013-01-15 10:50:53 AM

hitlersbrain: The_Gallant_Gallstone: When your business model is "evil cult bent on world domination," pretty much any publicity is good publicity.

Well summed up. I just fail to see how it is any different than other organized religions (other than being new).


Most religions don't charge you more money for learning more about it.

Sure the first bible is free but bible part 2 is going to cost you and you better be a millionaire if you expect us to let you read bible part 9.
 
2013-01-15 10:52:58 AM
More: Followup, Downton Abbey, The Atlantic Wire

waitwut?
 
2013-01-15 10:56:49 AM

jaybeezey: I've never heard of any protestant church demanding payment to know the upper level secrets of christianity. In fact, most of them will just give you the book for free.


Well, there's the tithe thing, which someone already mentioned. Plus, there's that one about how if you're rich you'll get bounced out of the pearly gates and heeeyyyy...since you won't be needing that money how about giving it to a worthy cause? Like, the people who are giving you this great info!

The difference is that Scientology is new, so they're not as good at it yet.
 
2013-01-15 10:56:55 AM

The_Gallant_Gallstone: JohnAnnArbor: They (Scientology) had to know something like this would happen (they'd be busted). More bad publicity.

When your business model is "evil cult bent on world domination," bilk mentally unstable individuals out of their money pretty much any publicity is good publicity.


FTFY
 
2013-01-15 10:57:05 AM

Biness: They altered the agreement. Pray they do not alter it further.


But only temporarily. Once the advertising campaign returns, it will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.
 
2013-01-15 10:57:14 AM
Meh.  I think I'll keep hanging out with the pagans.
 
2013-01-15 10:58:14 AM

hitlersbrain: The_Gallant_Gallstone: When your business model is "evil cult bent on world domination," pretty much any publicity is good publicity.

Well summed up. I just fail to see how it is any different than other organized religions (other than being new).


For starters, it's demonstratively fake. Say what you want about 'God' as an idea, you can't prove it doesn't exist. Scientology was acknowledged as fake by its creator (something of course Scientologists will deny as though you called their mother a whore...though of course if they are told by Scientology that their mother was a whore, they'd defend her right to earn her living farking people).

Read this. Sound like something a sane person would want to do? I didn't think so either.

No, if you don't believe in a superior being, fine. Hopefully you don't resort to space aliens and bad science-fiction to explain the Universe and why you are here, but if American southern Baptists can verge on the edge of moonbat, Scientologists are the mayor of Moonbatville. Never lump the two together.
 
2013-01-15 10:58:52 AM

jaybeezey: hitlersbrain: The_Gallant_Gallstone: When your business model is "evil cult bent on world domination," pretty much any publicity is good publicity.

Well summed up. I just fail to see how it is any different than other organized religions (other than being new).

I've never heard of any protestant church demanding payment to know the upper level secrets of christianity. In fact, most of them will just give you the book for free.


That pretty much goes for all mainstream religions, Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu etc. You can walk in and ask questions and they'll tell you anything you need to know and give you a copy of their book. One church even gives out bibles in hotel rooms for free.
Many have a belief in donations, but I don't know any who demand it.
 
2013-01-15 11:00:19 AM
Fark scientology, fark hubbard, fark cruise, fark miscavage the miscarriage.

/come at me bro
 
2013-01-15 11:00:25 AM

Glancing Blow: Advertorial, a written form of infomercial.

Native ads, an advertisement written to look like an editorial

This is double-ungood.


Nah. Someone just needs to do a FSM/Pastafarian advertorial.
 
2013-01-15 11:00:27 AM
[This post has been removed due to a copyright claim by Church of Scientology International]
 
2013-01-15 11:00:35 AM

LarryDan43: hitlersbrain: The_Gallant_Gallstone: When your business model is "evil cult bent on world domination," pretty much any publicity is good publicity.

Well summed up. I just fail to see how it is any different than other organized religions (other than being new).

Most religions don't charge you more money for learning more about it.

Sure the first bible is free but bible part 2 is going to cost you and you better be a millionaire if you expect us to let you read bible part 9.


Right. There are plenty of fat-cat preachers in fancy suits, and the Vatican is basically the very definition of old school European conspicuous consumption, but by and large mainstream religions are made up of people who are genuine in their beliefs. They give Bibles away for free, and you can go to church every week and never drop a penny in the plate if you so choose. Scientology, not so much.
 
2013-01-15 11:00:39 AM

Precision Boobery: Well, there's the tithe thing, which someone already mentioned. Plus, there's that one about how if you're rich you'll get bounced out of the pearly gates and heeeyyyy...since you won't be needing that money how about giving it to a worthy cause? Like, the people who are giving you this great info!


I think the argument is over the style of monetizing your doctrine.

Christianity and the Big Faiths are driven on a voluntary contribution model; before that, they had a much more profitable model of insertion within the state for revenue diversion.

Scientology is pursuing the old (arguably older than Christianity) way for faiths to make money; that of the mystery initiation. Buying your way (or working your way) up the ladder of mysteries is nothing new, even if it has been relegated to the sidelines of religious indoctrination for some time.

But even Christianity has spawned sects that operate on that model; consider the Freemasons.
 
2013-01-15 11:01:33 AM

King Something: [This post has been removed due to a copyright claim by Church of Scientology International]


Huh. Did you ever notice that the initials for that are "CSI"?
 
2013-01-15 11:01:56 AM

Precision Boobery: jaybeezey: I've never heard of any protestant church demanding payment to know the upper level secrets of christianity. In fact, most of them will just give you the book for free.

Well, there's the tithe thing, which someone already mentioned. Plus, there's that one about how if you're rich you'll get bounced out of the pearly gates and heeeyyyy...since you won't be needing that money how about giving it to a worthy cause? Like, the people who are giving you this great info!

The difference is that Scientology is new, so they're not as good at it yet.


Not the same at all. Many nefarious people (including former popes) have used religion to create a pyramid scheme of salvation.

But scientology was designed first and foremost as a pyramid scheme.
 
2013-01-15 11:02:23 AM

stickandmove: Unless I'm missing something here, with the much noted expection that it's pro-Scientology, I don't see how this differs from any other advertorial spread you regularly see in the middle of Sports Illustrated, Time, Nat Geo, or any other major publication.


It's advertising for a quasi-religious cult that bases its doctrine on a space traveler and galactic ruler named Zenu who brought billions of people to earth 75 million years ago, stacked them around volcanoes, then blew them up with hydrogen bombs.

That's how it differs.
 
2013-01-15 11:03:44 AM

hdhale: The_Gallant_Gallstone: JohnAnnArbor: They (Scientology) had to know something like this would happen (they'd be busted). More bad publicity.

When your business model is "evil cult bent on world domination," pretty much any publicity is good publicity.

Except Scientology's religions business model is based on exploiting the weak minded and those with serious esteem issues. Good publicity makes them look like an alternative to getting real help and actual counseling. Bad publicity makes them look like the exploitative moonbats and con artists they actually are.


FTFY
 
2013-01-15 11:04:28 AM
Yeah but you'll notice that the sneaky Scientolologists managed to get TWO threads posted today!!!
 
2013-01-15 11:05:10 AM

hitlersbrain: jaybeezey: I've never heard of any protestant church demanding payment to know the upper level secrets of christianity. In fact, most of them will just give you the book for free.

They will start shaming you pretty quick into coughing up 10% of your income (and that's off-the-top people!).


Your comment proves you haven't been a church in a while.
 
2013-01-15 11:06:11 AM

hitlersbrain: jaybeezey: I've never heard of any protestant church demanding payment to know the upper level secrets of christianity. In fact, most of them will just give you the book for free.

They will start shaming you pretty quick into coughing up 10% of your income (and that's off-the-top people!).


When I was in my early teens, the local Roman Catholic Church decided to implement tithing. My folks panicked since there was absolutely no spare money in my home. The church relented when it was clear that for half the parish it was a non-starter.
 
2013-01-15 11:07:03 AM

Weaver95: Meh.  I think I'll keep hanging out with the pagans.


Why is this any better than any other religion?
 
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