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(Stuff.co.nz)   Health officials: You can drink your own homebrew, but we may be prying it out of your cold, dead hands   (stuff.co.nz) divider line 24
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2013-01-15 10:17:25 AM
3 votes:
Headline submitter is a dipshiat. Home BREW and Home DISTILL, aka MOONSHINE, are entirely different stories. Your headline is bad and you should feel bad.
2013-01-15 10:33:19 AM
2 votes:

abhorrent1: "The trouble with the spirits is you don't know the alcohol content."

Farking hydrometers. How do they work?


The danger with moonshine isn't the quantity but the type of alcohol.
2013-01-15 10:09:55 AM
2 votes:
"The trouble with the spirits is you don't know the alcohol content."

Farking hydrometers. How do they work?
2013-01-15 02:17:01 PM
1 votes:
Distillers can insert a small tube into the spirit kit, which accurately measures how strong the spirits are, he said.Distillers can insert a small tube into the spirit kit, which accurately measures how strong the spirits are, he said.

EXPERT testimonial. Would it measure the methanol levels? I just began homebrewing and the lack of specificity here borders on cancerous. HYDROMETER.
2013-01-15 01:12:53 PM
1 votes:

Tr0mBoNe: This just in! Home distilled spirits may contain Methanol.


Only if someone adds it in. Distilled spirits contain far less methanol than wine and beer. The small amount of methanol that forms in the mash is mostly removed during the distillation. The myth that moonshine can make you go blind or be poisoned is due to people mixing up their own liquor with methanol and other substances rather than home distillation. The article even mentions that sometimes methanol is added to increase the alcohol content.

New Zealand is currently the only country in the world where home distillation is legal.
2013-01-15 12:48:35 PM
1 votes:

PacManDreaming: Doc Daneeka: Not expecting my first attempt to be any good, but I hope I at least don't kill myself.

It's not usually home brewed beer that sickens or kills people, it's home distilled spirits. A lot of people don't realize how potent they are.


And the key is Home Brew and Home Distillation are two different animals.

Done properly both are fine, however, Distillated booze should ALWAYS be tested for AL% content with a specific gravity test, and filtered at least once with a charcoal filter to remove inpurities.
2013-01-15 12:39:42 PM
1 votes:
Geeze. First off, Submitter your headline is bad and you should feel bad. Home brew is the creation of ales, beers, stouts, etc. Home vintnering is the creation of wines and meads, and finally home distilling is the creation of spirits and liqueurs. Learn the difference. The people involved did not drink home brew they drank home distilled spirits.

Second, hydrometers... Yes with one of these you CAN find out how much alcohol is in a spirit.

Third, if this was brought about by Methanol poisoning... the distillers were idiots.

Use properly clean equipment, an aerated environment, and a sugar based wort and you should be fine, even when you're brewing pectin containing fruits for your distillate.

So long as you use reasonable fermenting and distilling processes you have 0 danger.
2013-01-15 12:14:31 PM
1 votes:

titwrench: logggur: Isn't home distillation already illegal? Hence the name "moonshine"?

Not in New Zealand, to where this article is referring


It should remain legal there. One needs all the moral flexibility one can get when one's sexual partner's response to "Was it good for you?" is "Baaaa".
2013-01-15 12:10:02 PM
1 votes:

natazha: Loki009: Although illlegal in the US and i would never do it for that reason, frost distilled Apple Jack has always sounded interesting to me.

/Still experimenting with many different meads and ciders

Freeze-concentration isn't considered distillation by the Feds.


Seriously? If true, that's some very good news to me.
2013-01-15 12:03:14 PM
1 votes:
You are all missing the most important reason why this article is right baout homebrewing being deadly, and I'm not talking about Methanol VS. Ethanol. No, the most obvious reason is that this article is from Australia. And I have it on good authority that EVERYTHING IN AUSTRALIA WILL KILL YOU. OFTEN PAINFULLY.

/also, 2nd to the guy that recommended homebrewtalk.com
//EdWort's Apfelwein is awesome too
2013-01-15 11:58:46 AM
1 votes:

Loki009: Although illlegal in the US and i would never do it for that reason, frost distilled Apple Jack has always sounded interesting to me.

/Still experimenting with many different meads and ciders


Freeze-concentration isn't considered distillation by the Feds. Even the wack-os at OOCCLF (Oregon Obsessive Compulsive Liquor Control Freaks), haven't banned it. But they cut the sample size at beer fests to 3 oz.
2013-01-15 11:27:35 AM
1 votes:

logggur: Isn't home distillation already illegal? Hence the name "moonshine"?


Depends on the state. Texas is supposedly legal to make your own, for personal use only, but never to sell.

Selling it brings in the FDA or the ATF guys, and is more a tax related concern (no sales tax) than anything else.

Also, you know, death and blindness related to unregulated stills.
2013-01-15 11:15:57 AM
1 votes:

mojotele: It comes out of the still first since methanol's boiling point is lower than ethanol's boiling point,


It's in the "heads" and you keep dumping that stuff until the horrible smell goes away.  When you hit the "tails", the distillate starts to smell horrible again and you know your run is done.
2013-01-15 11:15:39 AM
1 votes:

mojotele: I've never heard of methanol being added to drinks.


I can't remember which country, but we had a thread a few months ago about a country that had suspended all liquor sales because counterfit brands were showing up with methanol in them and killing people.
2013-01-15 10:54:25 AM
1 votes:

pute kisses like a man: pizen: abhorrent1: "The trouble with the spirits is you don't know the alcohol content."

Farking hydrometers. How do they work?

The danger with moonshine isn't the quantity but the type of alcohol.

yeah, this. basically. there are some special steps you should take because the process often makes the methanol, which is deadly even in small doses.


I have a bit of a guilty pleasure in watching Moonshiners and I know that methanol is poisonous but how in the world do you end up with it in your product? I know the yeast do their thing making carbon dioxide and ethanol in the mash (probably with trace amounts of MeOH) but how do you ever end up with enough to kill you short of holding the distillation temperature at methanol Bp instead of ethanol and collecting the fraction?
2013-01-15 10:43:14 AM
1 votes:

hungryhungryhorus: abhorrent1: "The trouble with the spirits is you don't know the alcohol content."

Farking hydrometers. How do they work?

This. As a homebrewer, I feel I can confidently assert that anybody with the knowledge to make high proof alcohol is going to be aware of roughly how high proof it is. The process is not quite as simple as a layperson might think.


That said, you've got to trust the maker to put in the work to learn the alcohol content, to actually do it correctly, and to accurately convey that to the buyer. Not all makers will do that, and not just due to malice.

That said, I'll echo the sentiment from TFA: It's not the quality that will kill you, it's the quantity. This doesn't change when you switch to name-brand.

The thing is, quality has a major effect on quantity, and although this doesn't change when you switch to name-brand either, what does change is that you can get a better idea of both.
2013-01-15 10:36:53 AM
1 votes:

hungryhungryhorus: abhorrent1: "The trouble with the spirits is you don't know the alcohol content."

Farking hydrometers. How do they work?

This. As a homebrewer, I feel I can confidently assert that anybody with the knowledge to make high proof alcohol is going to be aware of roughly how high proof it is. The process is not quite as simple as a layperson might think.

That said, I'll echo the sentiment from TFA: It's not the quality that will kill you, it's the quantity. This doesn't change when you switch to name-brand.


Disagree.

It's quite easy to attempt to make high proof alcohol and nearly kill yourself, especially if you are bad at math and don't understand that the boiling point of methanol/ethanol/water changes relative to sea level (and have no artifical way of maintaining pressure in your still).
2013-01-15 10:27:58 AM
1 votes:
Isn't home distillation already illegal? Hence the name "moonshine"?
2013-01-15 10:20:40 AM
1 votes:
Although illlegal in the US and i would never do it for that reason, frost distilled Apple Jack has always sounded interesting to me.

/Still experimenting with many different meads and ciders
2013-01-15 10:20:08 AM
1 votes:

abhorrent1: "The trouble with the spirits is you don't know the alcohol content."

Farking hydrometers. How do they work?


This. As a homebrewer, I feel I can confidently assert that anybody with the knowledge to make high proof alcohol is going to be aware of roughly how high proof it is. The process is not quite as simple as a layperson might think.

That said, I'll echo the sentiment from TFA: It's not the quality that will kill you, it's the quantity. This doesn't change when you switch to name-brand.
2013-01-15 10:18:35 AM
1 votes:

Doc Daneeka: I'm trying my hand at home-brewing beer. Got some equipment for Christmas. First batch should be ready in a couple weeks.

Not expecting my first attempt to be any good, but I hope I at least don't kill myself.


They are talking about distillation not brewing. More or less moonshine. There are a ton of ways to mess up distillation, brewing you can make something that really sucks and you wont want to drink it, but its quite hard to make yourself sick (other than over indulgence of a good batch) let alone kill you.
2013-01-15 10:15:51 AM
1 votes:

PacManDreaming: Doc Daneeka: Not expecting my first attempt to be any good, but I hope I at least don't kill myself.

It's not usually home brewed beer that sickens or kills people, it's home distilled spirits. A lot of people don't realize how potent they are.


Exactly.

Dad has been looking for a hobby now that he is retired and is researching the legal ins and outs of distilling spirits for a fuel additive for his gas powered farm equipment. A simple reflux still can produce a 130-140 proof end product, and subsequent stripping runs can drive that almost to the 185+ mark.
2013-01-15 09:55:14 AM
1 votes:

Doc Daneeka: Not expecting my first attempt to be any good, but I hope I at least don't kill myself.


It's not usually home brewed beer that sickens or kills people, it's home distilled spirits. A lot of people don't realize how potent they are.
2013-01-15 09:55:03 AM
1 votes:

Doc Daneeka: I'm trying my hand at home-brewing beer. Got some equipment for Christmas. First batch should be ready in a couple weeks.

Not expecting my first attempt to be any good, but I hope I at least don't kill myself.


Beer is safe... as long as your equipment is clean it'll be fine. Just don't distill it without proper instruction.

Welcome to the addiction! :D
 
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