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(LA Times)   Everything changes when you hit the big one-oh. Your legs start to go, candy doesn't taste as good, you kill your abusive, drug-addled neo-nazi father with his own .357   (latimes.com ) divider line 57
    More: Followup, state Department of Corrections, National Socialist Movement, Castor and Pollux, chief deputy, Riverside County, taste, mental functions, legs  
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2013-01-15 09:18:40 AM  
kid needs the hero tag
 
2013-01-15 09:18:52 AM  
I'm ok with this.
 
2013-01-15 09:19:18 AM  
"He plotted the murder and then tried to conceal his guilt by stashing the .357 magnum revolver under his mattress."

If he can't come up with any better plan then that, then he deserved to get caught.
 
2013-01-15 09:19:44 AM  
Say what you want about National Socialism, at least it's an ethos.
 
2013-01-15 09:22:07 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I'm ok with this.


I'm not.
 
2013-01-15 09:22:34 AM  
And you guys said all guns are evil.

I wonder what her shot grouping was?
 
2013-01-15 09:23:53 AM  

Kiwimann: AverageAmericanGuy: I'm ok with this.

I'm not.


For clarity, I'm not okay with a 10 year old being imprisoned for 13 years for murder after that kind of upbringing and considering the target he chose. Without knowing more than what's in the article, that's a kid that needs help, not jail time.

His dad, on the other hand, got what he had coming.
 
2013-01-15 09:24:18 AM  

SubBass49: kid needs the hero tag


done in one. close the thread. i'm fav'ing subbass49 with 'smart as hell' as the tag.
 
2013-01-15 09:24:30 AM  
Kid's mom was on meth and heroin while he was in the womb. Raised with a nazi dad being taken on border patrols for illegal immigrants. Tried to strangle a teacher with a phone cord. Most people won't miss the type of person the dad was, but pretty sad story for the kid's sake. He never had a chance, it seems.
 
2013-01-15 09:24:34 AM  
spentmiles

"He plotted the murder and then tried to conceal his guilt by stashing the .357 magnum revolver under his mattress."

If he can't come up with any better plan then that, then he deserved to get caught.


Dude he was 10, it is a hell of a lot better plan then most adults have.
 
2013-01-15 09:27:48 AM  
I can't help feeling sad for the boy, and I hope he can somehow get the help he desperately needs. Unfortunately I also feel it's too late.
The shooting sounds justified.
 
2013-01-15 09:27:53 AM  
This story is all kinds of farked up, from what I hear, and I seem to recall some statements suggesting this just wasn't to stop abuse or some such, but that the kid maaaayy be an up and coming sociopath?
 
2013-01-15 09:30:18 AM  
So sad.

If the father was armed, this tragedy could've been avoided.
 
2013-01-15 09:31:01 AM  

Electromax: Kid's mom was on meth and heroin while he was in the womb. Raised with a nazi dad being taken on border patrols for illegal immigrants. Tried to strangle a teacher with a phone cord. Most people won't miss the type of person the dad was, but pretty sad story for the kid's sake. He never had a chance, it seems.


Yeah, that's what I got out of it. No doubt his dad was an oxygen thief and the world is better off without him, but that kid was screwed from the get-go. Now what do you do with a junior psycopath?
 
2013-01-15 09:35:07 AM  
So despite being a dependent of the court he was still living with his single unemployed neo-Nazi father who routinely abused and beat him?


Yeah, somebody should be going to jail, and it isn't the boy.
 
2013-01-15 09:35:51 AM  
Kid needs a scholarship fund.
 
2013-01-15 09:36:49 AM  

freetomato: Electromax: Kid's mom was on meth and heroin while he was in the womb. Raised with a nazi dad being taken on border patrols for illegal immigrants. Tried to strangle a teacher with a phone cord. Most people won't miss the type of person the dad was, but pretty sad story for the kid's sake. He never had a chance, it seems.

Yeah, that's what I got out of it. No doubt his dad was an oxygen thief and the world is better off without him, but that kid was screwed from the get-go. Now what do you do with a junior psycopath?


Put him in the longboat 'till he's sober?

/works for drunken sailors, apparently
 
2013-01-15 09:37:23 AM  
If killing Nazis is wrong then I don't want to be right.
 
2013-01-15 09:37:31 AM  
The kid should need a better lawyer but probably needs a better legal system.

An adult woman in an otherwise inescapable abusive situation would probably walk in the same situation. The minor isn't going to.
 
2013-01-15 09:37:41 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Kid needs a scholarship fund.


Given that I think the kid is the kind who can count to 'potato' I don't think a scholarship is going to work.
 
2013-01-15 09:44:39 AM  

Electromax: Kid's mom was on meth and heroin while he was in the womb. Raised with a nazi dad being taken on border patrols for illegal immigrants. Tried to strangle a teacher with a phone cord. Most people won't miss the type of person the dad was, but pretty sad story for the kid's sake. He never had a chance, it seems.


This is America and no matter how nightmarish your childhood was society reserves the right to judge you as if you had every privilege. Free Will is a magicy, unicorny thing that enables you to behave people WANT you to rather than how you were raised and if you did not use it then you are evil and deserve every punishment.
 
2013-01-15 09:45:58 AM  

freetomato: Electromax: Kid's mom was on meth and heroin while he was in the womb. Raised with a nazi dad being taken on border patrols for illegal immigrants. Tried to strangle a teacher with a phone cord. Most people won't miss the type of person the dad was, but pretty sad story for the kid's sake. He never had a chance, it seems.

Yeah, that's what I got out of it. No doubt his dad was an oxygen thief and the world is better off without him, but that kid was screwed from the get-go. Now what do you do with a junior psycopath?


Educate him, give him wealth and fame, then run him for Congress.
 
2013-01-15 09:46:09 AM  
Kid will need court appointed supervision for the rest of his life. Once he gets out of custody he is very likely to commit more crimes, violent or otherwise. This is a sad case. I certainly feel he was right in protecting his family but his prior violent outbursts are what scare me. Strangling his teacher?

Patrolling the border for illegals? Seems like some American History X ish to me.
 
2013-01-15 10:00:07 AM  

Felgraf: This story is all kinds of farked up, from what I hear, and I seem to recall some statements suggesting this just wasn't to stop abuse or some such, but that the kid maaaayy be an up and coming sociopath?


I'm figuring that most people raised in that kind of environment probably turn out as sociopaths.
 
2013-01-15 10:03:32 AM  

ObscureNameHere: freetomato:

Yeah, that's what I got out of it. No doubt his dad was an oxygen thief and the world is better off without him, but that kid was screwed from the get-go. Now what do you do with a junior psycopath?

Put him in the longboat 'till he's sober?

/works for drunken sailors, apparently


You beat me to it.
 
2013-01-15 10:09:32 AM  

yet_another_wumpus: The kid should need a better lawyer but probably needs a better legal system.

An adult woman in an otherwise inescapable abusive situation would probably walk in the same situation. The minor isn't going to.


Being a child he actually literally could not have escaped his situation otherwise, unlike a wife who merely believes she can't run off. So let's send him to prison.
 
2013-01-15 10:10:10 AM  
The poor kid. Yeah, never had a chance. I think this is a prime example of: "What are psychopaths good for in society?"

A: "Sometimes they do our dirty work for us."

Train him up, teach him to speak Pashtu, put him on the CIA payroll, and airdrop him on the Pakistani border with a rifle and ammo. Resupply via drone monthly.

That's where the heroin that helped mess him up likely came from, and there are plenty of abusive husbands there upon which to vent his rage.

The kid's a walking Claymore mine. Front towards enemy.

Or teach him Hindi and present him as a gift to the Indian government. They can give him an unliimited bus pass and a hunting license to kill drunken rapists.
 
2013-01-15 10:18:23 AM  
Maybe sometimes two wrongs do make a right.
 
2013-01-15 10:19:27 AM  
The sad thing is he was protecting his family. He took the only action that would ensure his father could not murder his mother and siblings. He was the only person to recognize that his father was a credible threat and to take action to abate the danger to innocent civilians.

"No greater love hath a man...."

That said, yeah, kid's hopelessly farked up. He made the best of a bad hand in life by saving his family.

Psychopaths doing society's dirty work. They can be very protective of what's "theirs." It's why they can sometimes be very effective leaders of corporations and governments: "I'm taking good care of it because it's mine, and I always take care of my things."
 
2013-01-15 10:24:02 AM  
My goodness, he had a lot of devoted friends. NSFW FYI
 
2013-01-15 10:28:14 AM  
His own granny would not babysit him because he was too much. KId needs a rubber room. Seriously, I dont think this much damage can be undone, but its not murder. But I dont want him living next to me either.
 
2013-01-15 10:36:38 AM  

willfullyobscure: My goodness, he had a lot of devoted friends. NSFW FYI


Well poop, my stormfront link didn't work out. Google Jeff Hall and Stormfront if you want to have a little schadenfreude. It's pretty hilarious. Lets do a 180: here's a Link to the Freeper thread on it, where they are being their usual compassionate and kindly selves(no really).
 
2013-01-15 10:40:00 AM  

yet_another_wumpus: The kid should need a better lawyer but probably needs a better legal system.

An adult woman in an otherwise inescapable abusive situation would probably walk in the same situation. The minor isn't going to.


I don't want him to walk on this. I also don't want him put away for life. After the shiat sandwich that his life has been so far (not his fault) I want him to finish his growing up years under strict supervision with LOTS of intensive therapy. I hope he can find that in the juvenile justice system. Then, when he is released, we can only hope it was enough to overcome what the adults in the first decade of his life made him.
 
2013-01-15 10:40:14 AM  

Julie Cochrane: ObscureNameHere: freetomato:

Yeah, that's what I got out of it. No doubt his dad was an oxygen thief and the world is better off without him, but that kid was screwed from the get-go. Now what do you do with a junior psycopath?

Put him in the longboat 'till he's sober?
/works for drunken sailors, apparently

You beat me to it.


I ish nahwt drunks!. And git yer own longboat!

/unless you are a cutie -- in which case move that oar aside and grab a gunnel
 
2013-01-15 10:41:49 AM  

namegoeshere: yet_another_wumpus: The kid should need a better lawyer but probably needs a better legal system.

An adult woman in an otherwise inescapable abusive situation would probably walk in the same situation. The minor isn't going to.

I don't want him to walk on this. I also don't want him put away for life. After the shiat sandwich that his life has been so far (not his fault) I want him to finish his growing up years under strict supervision with LOTS of intensive therapy. I hope he can find that in the juvenile justice system. Then, when he is released, we can only hope it was enough to overcome what the adults in the first decade of his life made him.


Or, more realistically, this kid is the next 'Colorado theatre' and 'Sandy Hook' all rolled into one package of crazy.
 
2013-01-15 10:48:38 AM  

ObscureNameHere: namegoeshere: yet_another_wumpus: The kid should need a better lawyer but probably needs a better legal system.

An adult woman in an otherwise inescapable abusive situation would probably walk in the same situation. The minor isn't going to.

I don't want him to walk on this. I also don't want him put away for life. After the shiat sandwich that his life has been so far (not his fault) I want him to finish his growing up years under strict supervision with LOTS of intensive therapy. I hope he can find that in the juvenile justice system. Then, when he is released, we can only hope it was enough to overcome what the adults in the first decade of his life made him.

Or, more realistically, this kid is the next 'Colorado theatre' and 'Sandy Hook' all rolled into one package of crazy.


That may be. But unfortunately we can't keep him in jail for what he might do in the future. And I'm not okay with jailing him for life for this killing.

If in preparation for his release from juvie he is given a psych eval and it does not go well, then yes, he should be placed inpatient somewhere long term. But that would mean that this country would have to care for its mentally ill before they shoot up theaters and elementary schools, and clearly we don't.
 
2013-01-15 10:58:57 AM  
I fear this poor kid's irreparably broken. Unless some resource-rich Team of Experts can sequester him on an island for the next decade, and there they'll create an artificial world staffed by mental health experts and actors to simulate an emotionally healthy place where he can be reprogrammed, he's a goner. He's like Dexter. He may find an outlet for it, but it won't be pretty. And you can pretty much bet your next 35 paychecks that my superhero fantasy training camp scenario won't happen; he'll be ass-raped in some horrid and overpopulated "Troubled Kid Foster Care" situation, and he'll only get worse until he's 18 and liberated from the state's custody. He'll last a year or so then commit some massive crime and end up in the jug. Chances are the Aryans will whack him in jail.
 
2013-01-15 10:59:32 AM  
...and it's one of the saddest goddamn things I've ever seen.
 
2013-01-15 11:01:02 AM  
There is a reason I don't consider a psychologist either a mental health professional nor any sort of graduate from a science program. They throw up their hands at things like sociopathy or psychopathy and say "Oh, we can't treat THAT!" instead of trying to work out treatments for it.
 
2013-01-15 11:10:09 AM  
And nothing I read in that article indicates that the kid is a psychopath to begin with. He is quite probably brain-damaged, from the exposure to drugs while in the womb. He may well be treatable. I doubt he'd have any sort of carreer as any sort of "operative" as whilst in some cases you may need psychos, you do need intelligent ones.
 
2013-01-15 11:19:36 AM  
As warranted as the dad's death may have been; the kid still needs to get some serious help. Maybe, going away till he's 18 will help prevent further incidents.

/ or it may create a very well-spoken sociopath; one or the other
 
2013-01-15 11:22:35 AM  
Then again, the kid could change his name, move, and become a successful writer. Worked for Anne Perry.
 
2013-01-15 11:29:20 AM  

deanis: Kid will need court appointed supervision for the rest of his life. Once he gets out of custody he is very likely to commit more crimes, violent or otherwise. This is a sad case. I certainly feel he was right in protecting his family but his prior violent outbursts are what scare me. Strangling his teacher?

Patrolling the border for illegals? Seems like some American History X ish to me.


Teacher was probably harassing him about not doing his homewor

cynicalbastard: There is a reason I don't consider a psychologist either a mental health professional nor any sort of graduate from a science program. They throw up their hands at things like sociopathy or psychopathy and say "Oh, we can't treat THAT!" instead of trying to work out treatments for it.


Citizens need to pay their taxes so there can be a social safety net for cases like these. Foster homes where the caregivers are vetted and supervised. Social workers, legal advocates and psychologists to supervise the welfare of the children.

Schools are now expected to do too much of this social work/psychology stuff when they aren't trained or capable of doing so on such a large scale. Teacher was probably nagging him about missed homework, ignoring or ignorant of the fact that he was abused at home.

Sometimes one can feel like there is no one out there to help.

/Ask me, mother of an autistic son. There is plenty of help if one has $$$$.
 
2013-01-15 11:30:14 AM  
In the early morning hours of May 1, 2011, the youngster crept downstairs with the loaded revolver, pulled the hammer back and shot his father point-blank in his head as the man slept on the family's living room couch.

He did it on May Day, aka "Off a Nazi Day"?? fark, I'll adopt him.


deanis
he is very likely to commit more crimes

"More" crimes? I don't understand. What's he done wrong so far?


Julie Cochrane
Or teach him Hindi and present him as a gift to the Indian government. They can give him an unliimited bus pass and a hunting license to kill drunken rapists.

I don't know if that's such a good idea. We might run out of materials to make statues of him.
 
2013-01-15 11:31:37 AM  

irreverend mother: His own granny would not babysit him because he was too much. KId needs a rubber room. Seriously, I dont think this much damage can be undone, but its not murder. But I dont want him living next to me either.


Yeah, well maybe granny should have taken him in at infancy since her offspring couldn't manage it. Dumb biatch!
 
2013-01-15 12:02:16 PM  

Felgraf: This story is all kinds of farked up, from what I hear, and I seem to recall some statements suggesting this just wasn't to stop abuse or some such, but that the kid maaaayy be an up and coming sociopath?


He's probably young enough so intensive therapy, like being court-ordered into a mental hospital, could have results. He'll always have issues, but full-fledged sociopathy might be avoidable.

If the judge has half a brain, a court order putting him in a mental hospital will show up at some point, not in the least because this  was a justifiable homicide, and the kid made the right call. If someone's threatening you and your family, a gun is sometimes the only answer.
 
2013-01-15 12:17:09 PM  

cantsleep: I can't help feeling sad for the boy, and I hope he can somehow get the help he desperately needs.


If the kid's killing neo-Nazis, I'm thinking the only help he needs is more ammunition.
 
2013-01-15 12:30:16 PM  
 
2013-01-15 12:42:15 PM  
Meh. Aren't all .357 owners drug-addled neo-Nazis?
 
2013-01-15 12:46:48 PM  

RanDomino: In the early morning hours of May 1, 2011, the youngster crept downstairs with the loaded revolver, pulled the hammer back and shot his father point-blank in his head as the man slept on the family's living room couch.

He did it on May Day, aka "Off a Nazi Day"?? fark, I'll adopt him.


deanis
he is very likely to commit more crimes

"More" crimes? I don't understand. What's he done wrong so far?

You mean besides the murder and strangulation of his teacher?


Julie Cochrane
Or teach him Hindi and present him as a gift to the Indian government. They can give him an unliimited bus pass and a hunting license to kill drunken rapists.

I don't know if that's such a good idea. We might run out of materials to make statues of him.

 
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