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(Stabley Times)   Florida governor bulldozes turnpike rest stops, has them rebuilt exactly the same, hopes no one will notice   (stableytimes.com) divider line 162
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2013-01-15 12:04:02 AM
Got-damn Rick Scott has to be the most corrupt, inept governor FL has ever had by a long shot.

/and you still shot down the high speed rail everyone voted for too, you bald fark
 
2013-01-15 12:15:16 AM

Mugato: Got-damn Rick Scott has to be the most corrupt, inept governor FL has ever had by a long shot.


And THAT is saying something.
 
2013-01-15 12:22:37 AM
I'm surprised he can go out in public without being egged.
 
2013-01-15 12:25:16 AM
It's presumable that he greenlit this pointless project because he's personally profiting from it.

It there any evidence of this?


Why has he not been inducted on federal charges?

*twitch*
 
2013-01-15 12:26:33 AM
blog sucks, but does make some points, in a sucky way.
 
2013-01-15 12:28:20 AM
"He had one of the greatest campaign slogans ever, which was: 'Hey, they never indicted me.'"

- Carl Hiaasen
 
2013-01-15 12:28:59 AM

vudutek: blog sucks, but does make some points, in a sucky way.


And the award for all time most grudging admission that an article is spot-on goes to...
 
2013-01-15 12:30:36 AM

Hey blogger!


www.city-data.com
 
2013-01-15 12:42:19 AM

fusillade762: It's presumable that he greenlit this pointless project because he's personally profiting from it.

It there any evidence of this?


Why has he not been inducted on federal charges?

*twitch*


To be fair, i and u are next to each other on a keyboard.

/I was going to google "florida rest stop destruction" but the autosearch wanted to continue with "florida rest stop murders"
//maybe he was destroying evidence
 
2013-01-15 12:42:37 AM

Tellingthem: Hey blogger!
[www.city-data.com image 500x271]


Considering the fact that there appears to be exactly zero corroboration of this claim on the internets, I'd have to go with "this".
There's plenty of reason to kick this bastard out of office.  Making up shiat only gives his supporters fuel for their keyboards.
 
2013-01-15 12:48:22 AM
Straight from TFA:

Florida has gone bankrupt under governor Rick Scott, yet there's still money to bulldoze the Turnpike rest stops and rebuild them exactly the same. It's presumable that he greenlit this pointless project because he's personally profiting from it.

Fark-ready, indeed.
 
2013-01-15 01:19:19 AM

dahmers love zombie: Tellingthem: Hey blogger!
[www.city-data.com image 500x271]

Considering the fact that there appears to be exactly zero corroboration of this claim on the internets, I'd have to go with "this".
There's plenty of reason to kick this bastard out of office.  Making up shiat only gives his supporters fuel for their keyboards.


I dunno...considering that it's Rick Scott, I find it as believable as not. I mean, it's the kind of thing he WOULD do, if there was any money to be made doing it. Next up: Scott orders highway department to dig holes, then fill them up again.
 
2013-01-15 01:20:44 AM
He's the one who made his money scamming Medicare, right?
\Don't actually need to ask, just thought I would bring it up.
 
2013-01-15 01:21:41 AM
I hate Rick Scott as much as the next guy. But do we have a better source than some random-guy's blog that doesn't seem to be citing anything?
 
2013-01-15 01:24:17 AM
Unless the Googles are failing me, I don't see anything that corroborates this story.
 
2013-01-15 01:25:29 AM

cptjeff: He's the one who made his money scamming Medicare, right?
\Don't actually need to ask, just thought I would bring it up.


Holds the record as largest fine imposed for Medicare Fraud.
This GOP Golden Boy Asshat is a real piece of work.
 
2013-01-15 01:28:19 AM

dahmers love zombie: Tellingthem: Hey blogger!
[www.city-data.com image 500x271]

Considering the fact that there appears to be exactly zero corroboration of this claim on the internets, I'd have to go with "this".
There's plenty of reason to kick this bastard out of office.  Making up shiat only gives his supporters fuel for their keyboards.


So cronyism and state-union corruption has to slam a brick upside your face then?

Government projects consist of 2 options:

Go over budget and force overtime to collect millions in wages, or

Finish early, but with the bonus of said overages already in the fund written into the contract.

Ignorance is bliss I suppose. By the way we need to raise taxes for schools!
 
2013-01-15 01:29:24 AM
 
2013-01-15 01:30:00 AM
Florida elected Lex Luthor and now they act surprised he's a criminal?
 
2013-01-15 01:30:34 AM
after what happened here in wisconsin with scott walker... good luck down there, you'll need it.
 
2013-01-15 01:30:35 AM
Since this story is highly dubious (and I haven't noticed any rest stops getting bulldozed), how about we discuss the curious case of Reagan, Rick Scott's rescue dog that the Tampa Bay Times realized seemed to have disappeared off the face of the planet. The Times article includes this lovely bit, "At one point an exasperated reporter asked Burgess if he had killed the dog, and Burgess denied ever killing a dog, but still wouldn't say where Reagan was."
 
2013-01-15 01:32:05 AM

Mugato: Got-damn Rick Scott has to be the most corrupt, inept governor FL has ever had by a long shot.

/and you still shot down the high speed rail everyone voted for too, you bald fark


Hardly inept; he's still in office. Corrupt? Undoubtedly.
 
2013-01-15 01:33:47 AM
Your Blog Sucks.

The Governator bankrupted California? Really? Look at the state assembly and some really dumb voters for approving tons of crap without any way to fund them first (HSR is but one example out of many). California's Governor can't take a crap without the nod from them first. It's only going to get worse now that the state assembly lies in the hands of just one party, and it ain't the Governators party either.

Also what Tellingthem: said.
 
2013-01-15 01:38:46 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Mugato: Got-damn Rick Scott has to be the most corrupt, inept governor FL has ever had by a long shot.

And THAT is saying something.


Has he reached Louisiana levels of corruption and ineptitude?
 
2013-01-15 01:38:49 AM
And the signs still say "collard?"
 
2013-01-15 01:42:51 AM

Mugato: Got-damn Rick Scott has to be the most corrupt, inept governor FL has ever had by a long shot.


Obviously he's not inept. He's manipulated the system to collect large amounts wealth from the population and have enough friends not to land in prison. Inept would imply these things politicians such as Scott and others do aren't intentional. That there isn't some sort of self-serving plan behind their actions. Nothing inept about these popularity contest winners once we look at how their actions benefit them.
 
2013-01-15 01:44:03 AM

Harry_Seldon: Has he reached Louisiana levels of corruption and ineptitude?


upload.wikimedia.org
"Hey-ooo"
 
2013-01-15 01:53:12 AM

Mrtraveler01: I hate Rick Scott as much as the next guy. But do we have a better source than some random-guy's blog that doesn't seem to be citing anything?


The site is in "beta," so I assume things like evidence and citations are coming in the final release.
 
2013-01-15 01:56:36 AM
You elect a person that, in any reasonable society, would ordinarily be a felon and you're surprised that he's a disaster?

Seriously?  Is Florida that disconnected from reality?

You know what?

Fark Florida.

i291.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-15 01:57:13 AM
Are the new rest stops more or less friendly to anonymous blow-jobs?

I have a friend who was wondering.
 
2013-01-15 01:59:08 AM

Tellingthem: Hey blogger!
[www.city-data.com image 500x271]


Rebuilt Rest Areas

Welfare Drug Testing

Rejection of Affordable Healthcare Act

Teacher's pensions ruling still up in the air

/blog still sucks, though
//so does dick scott
 
2013-01-15 01:59:27 AM
Yeah, is there a source for this other than some odd blog?
 
2013-01-15 02:00:38 AM

Mugato: Got-damn Rick Scott has to be the most corrupt, inept governor FL has ever had by a long shot.

/and you still shot down the high speed rail everyone voted for too, you bald fark


Elections have consequences.

Don't blame him, Floridians got the government they deserve. Blame the voters.
 
2013-01-15 02:01:10 AM
www.globalnerdy.com
 
2013-01-15 02:01:54 AM
This brain-dead ignoramus aspires to come off as smart a (P)rick Perry.
Imisread that first as the stabby-times.
 
2013-01-15 02:02:56 AM
pfft. they are the gay bath houses of the 90s!

squirrel?
 
2013-01-15 02:07:16 AM

Gyrfalcon: I dunno...considering that it's Rick Scott, I find it as believable as not. I mean, it's the kind of thing he WOULD do, if there was any money to be made doing it. Next up: Scott orders highway department to dig holes, then fill them up again.


The contractor is Cone and Graham, INC. They are members of TransPAC. The contributions are mostly to Republicans. Total to Democrats: $500. Total to Republicans: $82,700. Even though there's no connection to Scott it's easy to see that the article isn't that far off about payoffs.
 
2013-01-15 02:09:41 AM

FuturePastNow: Yeah, is there a source for this other than some odd blog?


The post right above yours does. Though from reading that article it seems like there were legitimate reasons for the rebuilds. And I can't find any connections between the contractor (Cone & Graham, Inc) and Scott.
So yeah, this appears to be a non-story.
 
2013-01-15 02:10:07 AM
I live in California, which was bankrupted by a different corrupt republican governor.

yep, because California's finances were peachy keen before Arnold
 
2013-01-15 02:10:19 AM

rynthetyn: Since this story is highly dubious (and I haven't noticed any rest stops getting bulldozed),


It's already happened. Link
 
2013-01-15 02:11:48 AM

Mugato: Got-damn Rick Scott has to be the most corrupt, inept governor FL has ever had by a long shot.

/and you still shot down the high speed rail everyone voted for too, you bald fark


He looks like a six foot penis.
 
2013-01-15 02:12:40 AM
img.photobucket.com

/Do not care if story is true or not, just like this image
 
2013-01-15 02:24:33 AM
But let me guess, the old farks in FL love the corrupt bastard cuz he keeps the dirty libruls from ruining the state?
 
2013-01-15 02:32:03 AM

Old enough to know better: But let me guess, the old farks in FL love the corrupt bastard cuz he keeps the dirty libruls from ruining the state?


Carter:  Why would I wanna live in Florida?

Peter:  Black people's votes go right in the garbage.

Carter: All right!  We're moving to Florida.
 
2013-01-15 02:33:00 AM

Old enough to know better: But let me guess, the old farks in FL love the corrupt bastard cuz he keeps the dirty libruls from ruining the state?


Sadly yes. At least north of the I-4 corridor they love him. And I'm sure the panhandle is having a virtual circle-jerk for that bastard, with the word "liberal" being their pivotman.
 
2013-01-15 02:39:16 AM
And to think; he's only half as corrupt as a politician from Illinois.

/ I keed, I keed
 
2013-01-15 02:42:33 AM
Glory Holes and all?
 
2013-01-15 02:42:49 AM

fusillade762: *twitch*


If you're going to be the guy who mocks another poster's spelling errors (and it appears you are), you should make sure your own comments are perfect.

It there any evidence of this?

Ooh. Twitch, indeed.
 
2013-01-15 02:42:51 AM

iheartscotch: And to think; he's only half as corrupt as a politician from Illinois.

/ I keed, I keed


He is from Illinois. Sorta.
 
2013-01-15 02:44:53 AM
Translating that little tirade to basically... "He's not a liberal and that's all that actually matters to me"
 
2013-01-15 02:48:23 AM
Mugato: Got-damn Rick Scott has to be the most corrupt, inept governor FL has ever had by a long shot.


leadmetal Obviously he's not inept. He's manipulated the system to collect large amounts wealth from the population and have enough friends not to land in prison. Inept would imply these things politicians such as Scott and others do aren't intentional. That there isn't some sort of self-serving plan behind their actions. Nothing inept about these popularity contest winners once we look at how their actions benefit them.

Agreed. This guy is a genius in knowing how things work to make him and his cronies money--through the courts and the good old boy appointee system. At the state level he has attempted to get rid of the moderate judges on the state supreme court and replace them with his own appointees, which luckily did not happen. At the local level in my little town he has chosen the sleaziest law firm in town to pick the new judges for him to appoint. In Florida local judges are elected, but many resign in the middle of their terms so that the new judges are appointed by the governor. Since so many business decisions end up in court, these judges are directly affecting them, swinging the verdicts in favor of their good old boy buddies. The picks in my town for local state appointees are coming from a group of very radical right wing republicans, some of whom have been indicted for fraud (but not convicted) and the others out of a pool of republican lawyers out of Tallahassee. All the judges and most of the appointees will be there until they decide to retire. So even if we get rid of Scott right now, this sorry son of a b*tch has farked us over for years to come and directly lowered our quality of life. The only thing this bastard is "inept" at is running an honest government that gives a damn about the people living in the state.

/Don't blame me, I voted for Alex Sink.
 
2013-01-15 02:52:04 AM

LordOfThePings: iheartscotch: And to think; he's only half as corrupt as a politician from Illinois.

/ I keed, I keed

He is from Illinois. Sorta.


In the same way Hillary Clinton was from New York?

/ buzzzingggg

// I keed, please don't hurt me
 
2013-01-15 02:52:49 AM

randomjsa: Translating that little tirade to basically... "He's not a liberal and that's all that actually matters to me"


First, what are you basing that on?

Second, what does "liberal" mean to you?  Specifically.
 
2013-01-15 02:54:16 AM
Woah... Finaly some serious competition for Illinois
 
2013-01-15 02:56:23 AM

The Why Not Guy: fusillade762: *twitch*

If you're going to be the guy who mocks another poster's spelling errors (and it appears you are), you should make sure your own comments are perfect.

It there any evidence of this?

Ooh. Twitch, indeed.


DOH!
 
2013-01-15 03:21:31 AM

dillenger69: Glory Holes and all?


I was pondering the glory hole angle. And then you snatched it out from under me.

/shakes tiny fist
 
2013-01-15 03:25:25 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: Florida elected Lex Luthor and now they act surprised he's a criminal?


Next thing we know, he'll be stealing forty cakes. And that's terrible.

ic.pics.livejournal.com
 
2013-01-15 03:49:46 AM
Why are so many Farkers against stimulus and job creation?
 
2013-01-15 03:51:14 AM

fusillade762: It's presumable that he greenlit this pointless project because he's personally profiting from it.

It there any evidence of this?


Why has he not been inducted incinerated on federal charges?

*twitch*


FTFY
 
2013-01-15 03:51:28 AM

Mugato: Got-damn Rick Scott has to be the most corrupt, inept governor FL has ever had by a long shot.

/and you still shot down the high speed rail everyone voted for too, you bald fark


That's probably the only good this he's done in office. Maybe he couldn't find a way to get a cut.

But seriously, Atlanta-Orlando would be a good high speed rail route. Orlando-Tampa was stupid. It's like sprinting from the kitchen sink to the refridgerator, you spend as much energy slowing down as speeding up, and it doesn't really save you any time. For $27B.

Seriously, no way it could be any faster than just driving the route, by the time you drive (anyway) to the station, park,get your crap, buy a ticket and wait for the train to leave. It's only a 90 min drive... Talk about a stupid Obama spending plan that sounds good but does nothing, that is it.
 
2013-01-15 04:02:25 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: Florida elected Lex Luthor and now they act surprised he's a criminal?


As a citizen of Florida and experiencing what Scott has done to this state, I find that offensive. How dare you insult Lex Luthor like that.
 
2013-01-15 04:04:10 AM
The story reminds me of the people who suffer a traumatic head injury and then become convinced that everyone they know and everything around them has been replaced with imitations of the real thing.

/it's in "The man who mistook his wife for a hat" by Oliver Sacks.
 
2013-01-15 04:32:12 AM

belhade: Mugato: Got-damn Rick Scott has to be the most corrupt, inept governor FL has ever had by a long shot.

/and you still shot down the high speed rail everyone voted for too, you bald fark

He looks like a six foot penis.


Well....he's doing a damn fine job of f*cking Florida...
 
2013-01-15 04:32:44 AM
Things like this are why I'd read Carl Hiassen novels when I was feeling homesick while living overseas. Nobody who wasn't from Florida ever understood.
 
2013-01-15 04:45:47 AM
Buthurt from the fascist so-called-progressives as far as the eye can see.
 
2013-01-15 05:14:45 AM

draa: rynthetyn: Since this story is highly dubious (and I haven't noticed any rest stops getting bulldozed),

It's already happened. Link


So you're saying a guy who was elected in Nov'10 had the forethought to land a company a contract that would donate to him? Holy way-back machine batman!

But yeah, on the pension issue, he can EABOD
 
2013-01-15 05:30:09 AM
images.atlasobscura.com
 
2013-01-15 05:30:09 AM
When you vote for Skeletor you're gonna get boned.
 
2013-01-15 05:38:15 AM
i915.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-15 05:41:28 AM
How cute. Idiot libs want their big government, but then when big government wastes money, it's the GOP's fault. Idiot libs.
 
2013-01-15 05:51:16 AM
they actually needed it

bad concrete, chinese wallboard, not hurricane proof, not tornado resistant, cracked foundations etc...

they were about three years away from becoming mold laden death traps
 
2013-01-15 05:54:51 AM

Friction8r: How cute. Idiot libs want their big government, but then when big government wastes money, it's the GOP's fault. Idiot libs.


**dial tone**
 
2013-01-15 06:04:13 AM
I've noticed a trend in PA, OH, and WV. A lot of rest stops on the Turnpikes and Interstates have been getting rebuilt in the last few years. I don't know if there is a connection.
 
2013-01-15 06:06:16 AM

Radioactive Ass: Harry_Seldon: Has he reached Louisiana levels of corruption and ineptitude?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x243]
"Hey-ooo"


Hey, at least we whacked Huey before he could run for the White House. Florida isn't that efficient.
 
2013-01-15 06:12:35 AM

Radioactive Ass: Your Blog Sucks.

The Governator bankrupted California? Really? Look at the state assembly and some really dumb voters for approving tons of crap without any way to fund them first (HSR is but one example out of many). California's Governor can't take a crap without the nod from them first. It's only going to get worse now that the state assembly lies in the hands of just one party, and it ain't the Governators party either.

Also what Tellingthem: said.


california is projected to have a surplus ow that the Democrats have majorities. Odd, huh?
 
2013-01-15 06:12:39 AM

Mrtraveler01: I hate Rick Scott as much as the next guy. But do we have a better source than some random-guy's blog that doesn't seem to be citing anything?


This, too. It's just some inept rambling from someone who doesn't know of what he/she speaks.

DrPainMD: Why are so many Farkers against stimulus and job creation?


Because it's a quick fix and the local taxpayers get stuck paying for something that will lose money in the long run. There are always strings attached to that money. It still amazes me how no one seems to know the history of the rail (Disney) and how it spiraled out of control and cost. California seemed delighted to get the stimulus funds that Florida gave up for high-speed rail and now California realizes the cost and burden and seems bogged down on their HS rail.

Friction8r: How cute. Idiot libs want their big government, but then when big government wastes money, it's the GOP's fault. Idiot libs.


Pretty much.
 
2013-01-15 06:14:03 AM

Friction8r: How cute. Idiot libs want their big government, but then when big government wastes money, it's the GOP's fault. Idiot libs.


I know this is a troll, but even so: Not even the GOP in Florida likes or tolerates Rick Scott. Also, Rick Scott is about the opposite of big government that you can get.
 
2013-01-15 06:14:25 AM

david_gaithersburg: Buthurt from the fascist so-called-progressives as far as the eye can see.


Just FYI, you have a serious mental disorder.
 
2013-01-15 06:15:22 AM

StrikitRich: Mrtraveler01: I hate Rick Scott as much as the next guy. But do we have a better source than some random-guy's blog that doesn't seem to be citing anything?

This, too. It's just some inept rambling from someone who doesn't know of what he/she speaks.DrPainMD: Why are so many Farkers against stimulus and job creation?

Because it's a quick fix and the local taxpayers get stuck paying for something that will lose money in the long run. There are always strings attached to that money. It still amazes me how no one seems to know the history of the rail (Disney) and how it spiraled out of control and cost. California seemed delighted to get the stimulus funds that Florida gave up for high-speed rail and now California realizes the cost and burden and seems bogged down on their HS rail.

Friction8r: How cute. Idiot libs want their big government, but then when big government wastes money, it's the GOP's fault. Idiot libs.

Pretty much.


You also have a mental disorder.
 
2013-01-15 06:20:04 AM

ghare: .

You also have a mental disorder.


Nope, just fine. Why all the hate?
 
2013-01-15 06:41:38 AM
Gov Scott rejects $27 billion dollar boondoggle that made no sense and no one wanted. Conclusion Scott is bad.

Gov Scott approves $25 million to rebuild some reststops that actually needed it. Conclusion Scott is bad.
 
2013-01-15 06:47:49 AM

eraser8: You elect a person that, in any reasonable society, would ordinarily be a felon and you're surprised that he's a disaster?

Seriously?  Is Florida that disconnected from reality?

You know what?

Fark Florida.

[i291.photobucket.com image 500x293]


I agree, fark Florida. Please let all of your friends and especially your elderly relatives to stay out of that place. It's a hell hole!!
 
2013-01-15 06:47:52 AM

The Why Not Guy: fusillade762: *twitch*

If you're going to be the guy who mocks another poster's spelling errors (and it appears you are), you should make sure your own comments are perfect.


I'm sure it's a rule of the Internet: The more snarky you are when correcting someone's spelling or grammar the more likely you are to make a mistake of your own.
 
2013-01-15 07:00:46 AM

randomjsa: Translating that little tirade to basically... "He's not a liberal and that's all that actually matters to meare


Are there any posts where you are not a total partisan tool?
 
2013-01-15 07:08:54 AM

SDRR: eraser8: You elect a person that, in any reasonable society, would ordinarily be a felon and you're surprised that he's a disaster?

Seriously?  Is Florida that disconnected from reality?

You know what?

Fark Florida.

[i291.photobucket.com image 500x293]

I agree, fark Florida. Please let all of your friends and especially your elderly relatives to stay out of that place. It's a hell hole!!


HEY now. I live here!
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-01-15 07:13:21 AM

dahmers love zombie: Tellingthem: Hey blogger!
[www.city-data.com image 500x271]

Considering the fact that there appears to be exactly zero corroboration of this claim on the internets, I'd have to go with "this".
There's plenty of reason to kick this bastard out of office.  Making up shiat only gives his supporters fuel for their keyboards.


Scott would have had a good chance at being impeached in most states, but there are so many asshole retirees mucking up the works in Florida that I would bet on him finishing his term.

The real scandal is how the media has let Scott off the hook constantly and the fact that an electorate of any sort could of voted him in. Why everyone doesn't know his past or why he should of been put in jail after all this time is well beyond my understanding and since I value my sanity I had to stop thinking about it.
 
2013-01-15 07:14:45 AM

Friction8r: How cute. Idiot libs want their big government, but then when big government wastes money, it's the GOP's fault. Idiot libs.


I read this using a parrot's voice.
 
2013-01-15 07:15:39 AM

redqueenmeg: SDRR: eraser8: You elect a person that, in any reasonable society, would ordinarily be a felon and you're surprised that he's a disaster?

Seriously?  Is Florida that disconnected from reality?

You know what?

Fark Florida.

[i291.photobucket.com image 500x293]

I agree, fark Florida. Please let all of your friends and especially your elderly relatives to stay out of that place. It's a hell hole!!

HEY now. I live here!


You do? It's not like I've ever been to your house or anythi.....oh wait.
 
2013-01-15 07:17:09 AM

dahmers love zombie: Tellingthem: Hey blogger!
[www.city-data.com image 500x271]

Considering the fact that there appears to be exactly zero corroboration of this claim on the internets, I'd have to go with "this".
There's plenty of reason to kick this bastard out of office.  Making up shiat only gives his supporters fuel for their keyboards.


Quick! Forward it to everyone you know and tell them to pass it on.
 
2013-01-15 07:31:39 AM
Reminds me of the town where my parents live. It's a small town (in Florida, I might add) whose main road was a four-lane divided highway with palm trees planted in the median. Well, a few years back the city decided to dig up all the palm trees and replace them with... palm trees.

Sadly, even the smallest towns are not immune - there's something about government that seems to attract the most corrupt, or at least corruptible, people.
 
2013-01-15 07:33:54 AM

DrPainMD: Why are so many Farkers against stimulus and job creation?


Yeah, this is obvi
 
2013-01-15 07:35:31 AM
Florida Turnpike Enterprise: Current Construction Projects

I will take any reason to trash that cue-ball governor at any turn, but i am not seeing it here. Looks like pretty standard facilities rebuild.

Am I missing something? Did I get the wrong website maybe?
 
2013-01-15 07:36:30 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: DrPainMD: Why are so many Farkers against stimulus and job creation?

Yeah, this is obvi


D'oh!

Anyway, you are correct. Apparently Keynesian economics only works when the spending goes exactly where libs want it to.
 
2013-01-15 07:39:14 AM

Raharu: randomjsa: Translating that little tirade to basically... "He's not a liberal and that's all that actually matters to meare

Are there any posts where you are not a total partisan tool?


Let me field this one.

No.
 
2013-01-15 07:39:25 AM

snocone: cptjeff: He's the one who made his money scamming Medicare, right?
\Don't actually need to ask, just thought I would bring it up.

Holds the record as largest fine imposed for Medicare Fraud.
This GOP Golden Boy Asshat is a real piece of work.


I worked 17 years for the HCA hospital in Ocala; 15 of those 17 years years were spent completing ethics and compliance requirements for the federal government and surprise inspections for the state government, all because Rick Scott's "leadership".

I have since left HCA but they're still under the gun - I cannot imagine what will happen to my beloved, crazy-assed state when he leaves Tallahassee.
 
2013-01-15 07:51:37 AM
I grew up in the Florida Panhandle, and all my family is still there. The Governor has one qualification: He knows how to stick it to those libs! That's it. That's his only accomplishment. If this business about the rest stops is true, it wouldn't matter if the corruption were out in the open as long as some Democrat state politician spoke up against it or the lamestream liberal media with all their liberalness writes about it. Now the glorious governor has a chance to stick it the libs.

Florida conservatives, especially in the Panhandle, are like a wine reduction sauce reduced down to the pure essence of GOP propaganda. Information most children are able to tell is bullsh*t is widely accepted as truth.

I was down there over the holidays, and the term "death panels" is still being used.
 
2013-01-15 07:58:07 AM

Spanky McStupid: snocone: cptjeff: He's the one who made his money scamming Medicare, right?
\Don't actually need to ask, just thought I would bring it up.

Holds the record as largest fine imposed for Medicare Fraud.
This GOP Golden Boy Asshat is a real piece of work.

I worked 17 years for the HCA hospital in Ocala; 15 of those 17 years years were spent completing ethics and compliance requirements for the federal government and surprise inspections for the state government, all because Rick Scott's "leadership".

I have since left HCA but they're still under the gun - I cannot imagine what will happen to my beloved, crazy-assed state when he leaves Tallahassee.


I'm pretty sure Rick Scott hasn't been Governer for 15 years.
 
2013-01-15 08:01:20 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: Debeo Summa Credo: DrPainMD: Why are so many Farkers against stimulus and job creation?

Yeah, this is obvi

D'oh!

Anyway, you are correct. Apparently Keynesian economics only works when the spending goes exactly where libs want it to.


I remember a news story where VP Biden stopped at some useless government make-work stimulus project "to make sure the money wasn't being wasted." Apparently, if you work hard at producing nothing, it adds to the economy, but if you loaf around producing nothing, it's a waste of tax dollars.
 
2013-01-15 08:03:25 AM

lelio: I live in California, which was bankrupted by a different corrupt republican governor.

yep, because California's finances were peachy keen before Arnold


Glad I wasn't the only one to notice this
 
2013-01-15 08:03:45 AM
This is why our country will go bankrupt.
 
2013-01-15 08:04:22 AM

Gyrfalcon: dahmers love zombie: Tellingthem: Hey blogger!
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Considering the fact that there appears to be exactly zero corroboration of this claim on the internets, I'd have to go with "this".
There's plenty of reason to kick this bastard out of office.  Making up shiat only gives his supporters fuel for their keyboards.

I dunno...considering that it's Rick Scott, I find it as believable as not. I mean, it's the kind of thing he WOULD do, if there was any money to be made doing it. Next up: Scott orders highway department to dig holes, then fill them up again.


What's your dirt doing in Boss Scott's ditch?

/got nothing
 
2013-01-15 08:11:32 AM

AgentGerbil: after what happened here in wisconsin with scott walker... good luck down there, you'll need it.

we're all counting on you.

Moar-betterly
 
2013-01-15 08:12:02 AM
Would people be complaining so much if it weren't Rick Scott, but Randolph Scott?
 
2013-01-15 08:12:39 AM
Hey Curtis, your friend's blog sucks.
 
2013-01-15 08:15:29 AM

MarkEC: I've noticed a trend in PA, OH, and WV. A lot of rest stops on the Turnpikes and Interstates have been getting rebuilt in the last few years. I don't know if there is a connection.


My husband and I recently drove from Syracuse, NY to New Orleans, due to my fear of the TSA.  We drove through Virginia where the rest areas are sponsored by Geico.  Evidently, they pay the state $2 million for the privilege.  It wasn't a rest area, it was a commercial.
 
2013-01-15 08:22:47 AM

rynthetyn: Since this story is highly dubious (and I haven't noticed any rest stops getting bulldozed), how about we discuss the curious case of Reagan, Rick Scott's rescue dog that the Tampa Bay Times realized seemed to have disappeared off the face of the planet. The Times article includes this lovely bit, "At one point an exasperated reporter asked Burgess if he had killed the dog, and Burgess denied ever killing a dog, but still wouldn't say where Reagan was."


Next time, he should get a black lab and name it Boodle.
 
2013-01-15 08:26:23 AM

draa: rynthetyn: Since this story is highly dubious (and I haven't noticed any rest stops getting bulldozed),

It's already happened. Link


Financial Project Numbers: 407944-1-52-01 & 407944-2-52-01
Project Limits: From each rest area's exit ramp to entrance ramp between I-75 Exits 275 and 279
Project Length: 1/3 mile each side of I-75
Construction Cost: $25.1 million

$25 mil? That's it? New York could spend $25m and barely finish re-striping a rest area parking lot.
 
2013-01-15 08:32:18 AM

david_gaithersburg: Buthurt from the fascist so-called-progressives as far as the eye can see.


I see you're keeping up with your title of "threadshiatter". Good work.
 
2013-01-15 08:36:31 AM

StrikitRich: ghare: .

You also have a mental disorder.

Nope, just fine. Why all the hate?


www.historyofthings.com
 
2013-01-15 08:38:51 AM

EKU Colonel: Rebuilt Rest Areas


TFA:

The bathrooms were very clean," confirmed Gina Lupton of New York, who stopped at the rest stop on her way down to Naples.
The new rest areas, which have been designated as smoke-free facilities, also offer a walking trail, where travelers are welcome to take their pets for a stroll.
There also is preferred parking for vehicles which use alternative fuel sources, like electric cars, hybrids or ones that run on vegetable oil.
Basically, they're now what rest areas should be - safe areas with plenty of parking, lots of options for snacks and spotless bathrooms.


the HORROR!!! a large state which makes the lions share of its income from tourism revenues upgraded a facility frequented by travelers.
 
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2013-01-15 08:39:29 AM
I kid you not, when he was running for governor, he had his mommy do a commercial where she said, in her best mommy voice, "he's a good boy!"

WEAK. LAME.EMBARRASING.
 
2013-01-15 08:43:55 AM
Time to drag this one out again...

i428.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-15 08:47:34 AM

d23: dahmers love zombie: Tellingthem: Hey blogger!
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The real scandal is how the media has let Scott off the hook constantly and the fact that an electorate of any sort could of voted him in. Why everyone doesn't know his past or why he should of been put in jail after all this time is well beyond my understanding and since I value my sanity I had to stop thinking about it.


Huh? This tired "why do people not think the way I do" bullshiat may work regarding some politicians, but is completely wrong regarding Scott. Every day there is an article criticizing him. They're even going after his pets now. The media is doing its job, especially the St. PeteTampa Bay Times. Awesome paper. Unabashedly liberal, but goes after crooked Democrats and Republicans with equal fervor. If you're screwing up, they'll nail your ass to the wall.
 
2013-01-15 08:58:16 AM

rynthetyn: Since this story is highly dubious (and I haven't noticed any rest stops getting bulldozed), how about we discuss the curious case of Reagan, Rick Scott's rescue dog that the Tampa Bay Times realized seemed to have disappeared off the face of the planet. The Times article includes this lovely bit, "At one point an exasperated reporter asked Burgess if he had killed the dog, and Burgess denied ever killing a dog, but still wouldn't say where Reagan was."


Maybe not bulldozed but I was down the turnpike around Thanksgiving and all the rest stops were under heavy construction.   It was a pain in the butt.
 
2013-01-15 08:59:23 AM

o5iiawah: EKU Colonel: Rebuilt Rest Areas

TFA:

The bathrooms were very clean," confirmed Gina Lupton of New York, who stopped at the rest stop on her way down to Naples.
The new rest areas, which have been designated as smoke-free facilities, also offer a walking trail, where travelers are welcome to take their pets for a stroll.
There also is preferred parking for vehicles which use alternative fuel sources, like electric cars, hybrids or ones that run on vegetable oil.
Basically, they're now what rest areas should be - safe areas with plenty of parking, lots of options for snacks and spotless bathrooms.

the HORROR!!! a large state which makes the lions share of its income from tourism revenues upgraded a facility frequented by travelers.


And to be fair, Republicans spend a lot of time in public restrooms. Maybe he made significant improvements to the glory holes.
 
2013-01-15 09:04:46 AM
Rick Scott may be a terrible governor, but I don't have any problem with replacing old dilapidated rest stop areas.  In the past few years, I know of two in Pa that have been replaced. One on the Pa turnpike between the Norristown and King of Prussia exits about 20 miles west of Philadelphia and one on I-95 just north of the Pennsylvania/Delaware border.
 
2013-01-15 09:06:37 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: Florida elected Lex Luthor and now they act surprised he's a criminal?


Not all of Florida voted for him.

/If Rick Scott and a dead slug were on the ballot, I'd still vote for the dead slug without hesitation.
 
2013-01-15 09:09:51 AM

Harry_Seldon: Benevolent Misanthrope: Mugato: Got-damn Rick Scott has to be the most corrupt, inept governor FL has ever had by a long shot.

And THAT is saying something.

Has he reached Louisiana levels of corruption and ineptitude?


When they reach Louisiana levels, they can really shoot for the top: North Carolina.

Our most recent governor spent her last month in office giving shiat away as fast as she could sign the documents. State property, judgeships, contracts, you name it - all rushed out the door into the hands of cronies and hacks.

Florida has the weather, and Chicago has picturesque gangsters - but North Carolina has an ol' boy network that can't be beat.

/Branchhead boys . . .
 
2013-01-15 09:12:21 AM

aevorea: Uranus Is Huge!: Florida elected Lex Luthor and now they act surprised he's a criminal?

Not all of Florida voted for him.

/If Rick Scott and a dead slug were on the ballot, I'd still vote for the dead slug without hesitation.


He got just over half the votes in a midterm election.

Barely a tenth of Florida voted for him, and most of them weren't voting for Rick Scott in particular so much as they were voting for the Republican candidate.
 
2013-01-15 09:15:41 AM
Years ago Scott was the boss at Columbia HCA, a health care outfit. They were indicted by federal authorities, convicted, and Scott was fired.

And by "fired" I mean that he left the job with a severance package worth almost $10,000,000.

At least he's really good at being a sleazebag.
 
2013-01-15 09:21:41 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Gov Scott rejects $27 billion dollar boondoggle that made no sense and no one wanted. Conclusion Scott is bad.

Gov Scott approves $25 million to rebuild some reststops that actually needed it. Conclusion Scott is bad.


Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Scott is Bad...

Blogger is bad and should feel bad for everyone reading his dribbling tripe.
 
2013-01-15 09:23:17 AM
Ah yes, The Stabley Times (beta), no doubt a bastion of professional journalism and a well-respected source of actual news.

/what the hell am I reading?
 
2013-01-15 09:31:45 AM

Dwight_Yeast: The story reminds me of the people who suffer a traumatic head injury and then become convinced that everyone they know and everything around them has been replaced with imitations of the real thing.

/it's in "The man who mistook his wife for a hat" by Oliver Sacks.



I understand what you mean. My husband was in the military and had a traumatic brain injury. He has mentioned many times that he sees things that tell him that this world isn't real. He says that he saw his sister's eyes become a different color in front of him. Then when he went and talked to her later, her eyes were the right color again. It's something he doesn't like to discuss. I asked him if he thinks that I am real. It made for a very interesting conversation.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-01-15 09:42:05 AM

FLMountainMan: d23: dahmers love zombie: Tellingthem: Hey blogger!
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The real scandal is how the media has let Scott off the hook constantly and the fact that an electorate of any sort could of voted him in. Why everyone doesn't know his past or why he should of been put in jail after all this time is well beyond my understanding and since I value my sanity I had to stop thinking about it.

Huh? This tired "why do people not think the way I do" bullshiat may work regarding some politicians, but is completely wrong regarding Scott. Every day there is an article criticizing him. They're even going after his pets now. The media is doing its job, especially the St. PeteTampa Bay Times. Awesome paper. Unabashedly liberal, but goes after crooked Democrats and Republicans with equal fervor. If you're screwing up, they'll nail your ass to the wall.


The NATIONAL media treats him like he is sane, though. And that's just not right...
 
2013-01-15 09:43:34 AM
does anybody remember Lawton Chiles " here's one for the fish eater" to this day that still makes me giggle.
 
2013-01-15 09:44:50 AM
ghare:
california is projected to have a surplus ow that the Democrats have majorities. Odd, huh?

They're ALWAYS "projected" to have surpluses. For some reason, those surpluses always seem to turn into deficits.
 
2013-01-15 09:49:43 AM
Rebuilding rest areas in Florida is a project which has gone on longer than Rick Scott has been in office. I've driven past the one near Tampa being discussed here many times. It's not that they were doing this to piss away money -- the old facilities were in need of major overhauls, including new septic systems, more parking, and more amenities.

While I'd still rather avoid having to use a public restroom, the newer facilities are much nicer and cleaner than the smaller, older facilities they replaced.
 
2013-01-15 09:54:40 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Gov Scott rejects $27 billion dollar boondoggle that made no sense and no one wanted. Conclusion Scott is bad.

Gov Scott approves $25 million to rebuild some reststops that actually needed it. Conclusion Scott is bad.


Shhhh, the Haters don't like being reminded of their hypocracy.
 
2013-01-15 10:23:39 AM
I'm no fan of Rick Scott, but the link and the blog specifically talk about the Turnpike rest stop renovations. Those began in November of 2010, before Scott took office.

The more recent renovations are on Interstate 75.

The Turnpike is a toll road and I believe both it's management and the ownership of the rest plazas were privatized years ago.
 
2013-01-15 10:28:10 AM

Bigjohn3592: Orlando-Tampa was stupid. It's like sprinting from the kitchen sink to the refridgerator, you spend as much energy slowing down as speeding up, and it doesn't really save you any time. For $27B.


They were also going to do Orlando/Miami, which would be incredibly useful. This would be mostly for tourists anyway. Nevermind the fact that everyone voted for it and Scot simply said "Nnnno", for no reason other than he's a teabagger and it would be federal money he'd be accepting.
 
2013-01-15 10:31:17 AM

Sean M: Rebuilding rest areas in Florida is a project which has gone on longer than Rick Scott has been in office. I've driven past the one near Tampa being discussed here many times. It's not that they were doing this to piss away money -- the old facilities were in need of major overhauls, including new septic systems, more parking, and more amenities.

While I'd still rather avoid having to use a public restroom, the newer facilities are much nicer and cleaner than the smaller, older facilities they replaced.


So what do the rest areas look like anyway?

Two rest areas for $25M seems like a pretty good deal from my NY point of view, seeing as twenty years ago it cost my state $15M in early -1990's dollars to rebuild the one big rest area at Sloatsburg...not counting what they spent litigating the minyan area afterwards.
 
2013-01-15 10:32:21 AM
Scott is an evil criminal mastermind, no doubt. The "Lex Luther" analogy is apt; and sadly, there is no "Superman" among Florida politicians to fight the corruption. Including the rape, pillaging and looting of the state's various agencies. (Did I mention rape?)

What makes my head asplode, though, is his promotion of education and careers in Science and Technology. Presumably faith-based, to appease his Tea Party base. Jesus killed the Dinosaurs, or whatever it is.

/aye-yi-yi
 
2013-01-15 10:37:23 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Gov Scott rejects $27 billion dollar boondoggle that made no sense and no one wanted. Conclusion Scott is bad.

Wrong. It was voted on and approved. Rick rejected it. Floridians had aleady spoken on this You partisanship is showing

Gov Scott approves $25 million to rebuild some reststops that actually needed it. Conclusion Scott is bad.


I agree that some rest stops needs to be rehabbed. I don't mind if they redo the rest stops.I hope that they all have some upgrades.

See sometimes you can leave your partisanship at the door. It's not hard.

 
2013-01-15 11:59:10 AM
Mugato:
They were also going to do Orlando/Miami, which would be incredibly useful.

...except it would have cost waaaaay too much, under their plans, would have taken more than a decade, and would have continually lost money. Just like the Orlando-Tampa run.

Instead, there's a private consortium that's trying to do a "medium-speed train" from Orlando-Miami now, and it's going to cost a lot less money. They're building the Orlando-Miami route for about $1 billion - which is less than half of the initial cost just for the Orlando-Tampa route, and about 1/10 the cost of the proposed state-funded HSR plan for ORL-MIA. They're going to charge about the same for a trip from ORL-MIA as the state was going to charge for ORL-TPA - about 1/3 as much per mile traveled. It'll be slower, but much, much cheaper.

The HSR run from Orlando to Tampa would have cut about 20 minutes off of the drive, and would only have dropped passengers at a couple of centralized stations (not near anything useful - the passengers would have made the fast train ride, then had to spend more time on public transportation). On top of that, it would have cost about $100 round-trip. It literally would have been cheaper for most people to rent cars, especially if they were traveling in groups of two or more.

There were lots of other issues with the ORL-Tampa plans. They assumed an increase by an order of magnitude in the number of people traveling between the cities. No reason for this was ever given (similar to the reasoning behind the California SFO-LA plans). They designed the route to go through some very difficult terrain (swamps with muck literally 200+ feet deep, requiring incredibly deep pilings for foundations). Due to too-tight curves in many places, the trains were going to be limited to about 100 MPH for most of the run.

For someone who already owns a car (almost everyone in Orlando and Tampa), taking a trip on the HSR would have been more expensive and slower than just driving...

The Orlando-Tampa HSR system might have been approved by the voters - but the bureaucrats ruined it before it ever got started.
 
2013-01-15 12:05:35 PM
"I came home one day and found that all my stuff was stolen and replaced with an exact duplicate. I called my friend over and said "Look! Everything I own was stolen and replaced with an exact duplicate!" He looked at me and said "Do I know you?"" -S. Wright
 
2013-01-15 12:10:46 PM

ClintonKun: Uranus Is Huge!: Florida elected Lex Luthor and now they act surprised he's a criminal?

Next thing we know, he'll be stealing forty cakes. And that's terrible.

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That one never gets old.
 
2013-01-15 12:28:12 PM

Raharu: randomjsa: Translating that little tirade to basically... "He's not a liberal and that's all that actually matters to meare

Are there any posts where you are not a total partisan tool?


Actually, yes.  I saw him post rational, non-partisan stuff in the metric system thread last week.  Someone else even called him on it.
 
2013-01-15 12:31:01 PM

thenewmissus: ThrobblefootSpectre: Gov Scott rejects $27 billion dollar boondoggle that made no sense and no one wanted. Conclusion Scott is bad.

Wrong. It was voted on and approved. Rick rejected it. Floridians had aleady spoken on this You partisanship is showing


The Florida voters wanted high speed rail between Orlando-Miami. Orlando-Tampa didn't make sense. It was projected to shave exactly 18 minutes off the travel time by car.

Assuming it takes you more than 18 minutes to drive to the train depot, be seated on the train, and wait for the train to depart, then drive to your destination in tampa after getting off the train (A pretty darn good assumption) it would take longer than driving. (Note - That estimate was also based on driving the 65 mph speed limit between Orlando Tampa)
 
2013-01-15 12:40:57 PM

baka-san: Even a broken clock is right twice a day.


True. But I will call out the partisan nutjobs during those times when the clock is right and they are denying what time it really is. Fair enough?
 
2013-01-15 01:08:15 PM

Gyrfalcon: dahmers love zombie: Tellingthem: Hey blogger!
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Considering the fact that there appears to be exactly zero corroboration of this claim on the internets, I'd have to go with "this".
There's plenty of reason to kick this bastard out of office.  Making up shiat only gives his supporters fuel for their keyboards.

I dunno...considering that it's Rick Scott, I find it as believable as not. I mean, it's the kind of thing he WOULD do, if there was any money to be made doing it. Next up: Scott orders highway department to dig holes, then fill them up again.


He included the links in the comments section that references Farkers to finding the citations
 
2013-01-15 01:21:22 PM

dpaul007: Friction8r: How cute. Idiot libs want their big government, but then when big government wastes money, it's the GOP's fault. Idiot libs.

I read this using a parrot's voice.


You made me lol myself
 
2013-01-15 01:46:05 PM

iheartscotch: And to think; he's only half as corrupt as a politician from Illinois.

/ I keed, I keed


Yet, you still hit the nail on the head.
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

/both corrupt as hell
//and one will swallow your soul if you look in his eyes
 
2013-01-15 02:28:47 PM

MindStalker: Spanky McStupid: snocone: cptjeff: He's the one who made his money scamming Medicare, right?
\Don't actually need to ask, just thought I would bring it up.

Holds the record as largest fine imposed for Medicare Fraud.
This GOP Golden Boy Asshat is a real piece of work.

I worked 17 years for the HCA hospital in Ocala; 15 of those 17 years years were spent completing ethics and compliance requirements for the federal government and surprise inspections for the state government, all because Rick Scott's "leadership".

I have since left HCA but they're still under the gun - I cannot imagine what will happen to my beloved, crazy-assed state when he leaves Tallahassee.

I'm pretty sure Rick Scott hasn't been Governer for 15 years.


You are correct: Rick Scott was the head of HCA.
 
2013-01-15 02:33:58 PM

cirby: ...except it would have cost waaaaay too much, under their plans, would have taken more than a decade, and would have continually lost money. Just like the Orlando-Tampa run.


Thank you Mister Budget Director but Scott's only reason given for refusing it was that it accepted federal money and that goes against his teabagger beliefs. Oh, except when he asked the Fed for a shiatload of money for security for the republican convention that was uneventful. It was political, period.
 
2013-01-15 02:48:43 PM
Mugato:
Thank you Mister Budget Director but Scott's only reason given for refusing it was that it accepted federal money

I know you have a lot of pent-up hate for Scott, and a lot left over for the Tea Party, but you really can't just make stuff up to try and justify it.

The best reason Scott gave was that if Florida accepted the money and built the high speed line, the state would be responsible for future expenses - and losses - if the incredibly optimistic predictions for ridership and costs didn't come through. Anyone who looked at the numbers could tell it wasn't going to work - they were predicting 2.5 million riders the first year - at a higher cost than driving the same route, between two cities that honestly don't have any sort of huge demand for that sort of thing. They were predicting more users (when ridership reached max) for the Orlando-Tampa route than use Amtrak's Acela - in a market about 1/8 the size.

Here's the important part of the official statement from Scott when he cancelled the project:
First - capital cost overruns from the project could put Florida taxpayers on the hook for an additional $3 billion.

Second - ridership and revenue projections are historically overly-optimistic and would likely result in ongoing subsidies that state taxpayers would have to incur. (from $300 million - $575 million over 10 years) - Note: The state subsidizes Tri-Rail $34.6 million a year while passenger revenues covers only $10.4 million of the $64 million annual operating budget.

Finally - if the project becomes too costly for taxpayers and is shut down, the state would have to return the $2.4 billion in federal funds to D.C.

It was a dumb project, badly-designed, with completely fantasy-based economics behind it. It was going to be a huge money-loser, mostly because it was a state-run project that ignored reality.
 
2013-01-15 03:03:53 PM
cirby: Here's the important part of the official statement from Scott when he cancelled the project:
First - capital cost overruns from the project could put Florida taxpayers on the hook for an additional $3 billion.


Except it was all guaranteed by the fed.

Second - ridership and revenue projections are historically overly-optimistic and would likely result in ongoing subsidies that state taxpayers would have to incur. (from $300 million - $575 million over 10 years) - Note: The state subsidizes Tri-Rail $34.6 million a year while passenger revenues covers only $10.4 million of the $64 million annual operating budget.

Conjecture at best. What isn't conjecture is that it would have created over $30,000 jobs, in a time when Scott was bragging about creating a lot more jobs than he actually created.

Finally - if the project becomes too costly for taxpayers and is shut down, the state would have to return the $2.4 billion in federal funds to D.C.

Citation needed.

If Scott had all these so called reasons, he might have tried to shared them with us instead of simply saying..."NNNoo!" and taking his ball and going home. But he knew if he did, he'd be called out of them all.
 
2013-01-15 03:25:12 PM
reidreport.com
 
2013-01-15 03:29:47 PM
Mugato:
Except it was all guaranteed by the fed.

Nope. A lot of people assumed that, but that was false. Nothing in the initial funding even suggested that.

Conjecture at best.
Nope. Ridership projections are always insanely optimistic for trains and other public transportation projects, and everyone who looked at the numbers could see that it wasn't going to happen.

Like I mentioned: they assumed more people were going to ride from Orlando to Tampa than currently use the very popular (for Amtrak) Acela, in a much, MUCH larger market. Basically, they took the number of people who drive from Orlando to Tampa and back each day and multiplied that by ten. For no particular reason. Look - someone with a car (most of the population here) can get in it, gas up, drive to any location in Tampa, stay the night, and drive back - for about $20-$40 in gas, round trip. It was going to cost $100 - at least - to take the train to do the same thing - and it would have taken longer to get from anyplace except the train stations...

The idea that ten times as many people would suddenly decide to pay three to five times as much to travel between two cities less than 100 miles apart? Ludicrous. The rest of the whole scheme was similarly stupid.

Citation needed.
Actually, you need a citation that shows that Florida wasn't going to be on the hook for cost overruns. The economy was already in the tank here, and we couldn't assume Washington could keep covering its bets (they can't). All of the people who were for the thing assumed the Feds were going to pay for any and all overruns - without any proof of that, and lots of proof going the other way.

We know that all of the things they said - initial costs, ridership, operating costs - were going to be wrong (it's a government project, after all). Why should we trust them to be right about the Feds stepping in and covering the shortfalls? Didn't you notice the Magical Increasing California Rail Project? It was supposed to be $38 billion, max, when it was proposed. It's about $100 billion right now, and heading skyward daily...
If Scott had all these so called reasons, he might have tried to shared them with us

He did. Sorry you didn't notice.

Basically, you're wrong. You made stuff up because you thought it was a good way to take a shot at Scott and the Tea Party, and all of the things you assumed you could claim were just made up from whole cloth.
 
2013-01-15 03:45:46 PM

cirby: Except it was all guaranteed by the fed.

Nope. A lot of people assumed that, but that was false. Nothing in the initial funding even suggested that.


Well the Fed said it was and the  Dept of Transportation predicted that it would have made an annual surplus of $31 million to $45 million within a decade of operation,according to their report. That's op top of the federal funding.

If enough surplus was generated, a rail to Miami (a much needed rail to Miami if you've ever been to Alligator Alley) would have been created.

And the 30,000-60,000 jobs.

And it was overwhelmingly voted for. But Scott, who has done literally everything wrong so far in his administration but make money for himself knows more than the people and the DOT.
 
2013-01-15 05:42:23 PM
Mugato:
Well the Fed said it was and the Dept of Transportation predicted that it would have made an annual surplus of $31 million to $45 million within a decade of operation,according to their report. That's op top of the federal funding.

Yeah - the same people who said the LA-San Francisco route was going to cost $38 billion and make money? Sorry if I don't believe them. They were estimating that about 9000-10,000 people per DAY were going to be using the system from the start. Which was not going to happen.

One more time: they claimed that the line between Orlando and Tampa was going to be more popular than the Amtrak Acela - with 1/8 of the population in the region, and no particular reason for people to use the train (they already have cars, it would cost MORE than cars, and there was no infrastructure to get people around once they DID go from city to city, which doesn't happen that much right now anyway - there's no real demand for an ORL-TPA link of this sort).

Even the New York Times noticed the obvious problems:
"The Tampa-to-Orlando route had obvious drawbacks: It would have linked two cities that are virtually unnavigable without cars, and that are so close that the new train would have been little faster than driving."

By the way - that "overwhelming" vote? it was for:

"This amendment repeals an amendment in the Florida Constitution that requires the Legislature, the Cabinet and the Governor to proceed with the development and operation of a high speed ground transportation system by the state and/or by a private entity."

That's the total wording of the amendment. It wasn't for any particular project. The Orlando - Tampa one was just the first one the government came up with. It was a bad choice, so they didn't continue it. Continuing Federal funding? Wasn't going to happen - it was a one-off from the first big Obama-era stimulus package, not from any continuing source.
 
2013-01-15 06:56:21 PM

Mugato: And the 30,000-60,000 jobs.


There's no job creation when you tax money away from people who can ill afford to pay it to pay people to build a train that nobody wants to ride and could never sustain itself with ridership.

The Tri-Rail is not solvent
Amtrak is not solvent
and a HSR between ORL-TPA that costs $100 would never be solvent.
So when that hulking mess of a rail system is in disrepair, with no riders and requires a force of rail employees to sustain it, FL would be left with no choice but to raise taxes on residents and tourists to sustain it - simply to keep people busy operating a rail system that nobody would ride..

Money is better spent at the state level improving roads that need it, rest stops that need it and in beautification/land projects in natural areas that people frequent for tourist reasons.
 
2013-01-15 07:11:52 PM

o5iiawah: The Tri-Rail is not solvent
Amtrak is not solvent
and a HSR between ORL-TPA that costs $100 would never be solvent.
So when that hulking mess of a rail system is in disrepair, with no riders and requires a force of rail employees to sustain it, FL would be left with no choice but to raise taxes on residents and tourists to sustain it - simply to keep people busy operating a rail system that nobody would ride..


Well there's no arguing with a "what if" scenario that involves a federally paid for system that the department of transportation dept says will make the state a lot of money, potentially expand across the state and create tens of thousands of jobs but yet will suddenly collapse, somehow costing the state millions and causing locusts fall from the sky. There's no argument against that so I guess we'll agree to disagree. It's not happening anyway because of the big bad liberal fed so the point is moot.
 
2013-01-15 07:44:12 PM

Mugato: scenario that involves a federally paid for system that the department of transportation dept says will make the state a lot of money, potentially expand across the state and create tens of thousands of jobs but yet will suddenly collapse


There is no such thing as "federally paid money" it is tax money from the residents of Florida and other states that not cannot be spend on works projects or what have you in those states.

So if the department of transportation says it will be self-sustaining, then it is true? You must have already forgotten Obama speaking about "Shovel ready" jobs saying that they werent as shovel ready as they thought they were. Go ask any Floridian how the Army corps of engineers plans for the canal system and water table in FL turned out. Just because an agency projects revenue or participation in a program does not mean that it is set in stone.

There are already insolvent rail lines in FL that are taxpayer subsidized. They didn't need another one.
 
2013-01-15 09:25:54 PM

Flab: Raharu: randomjsa: Translating that little tirade to basically... "He's not a liberal and that's all that actually matters to meare

Are there any posts where you are not a total partisan tool?

Actually, yes.  I saw him post rational, non-partisan stuff in the metric system thread last week.  Someone else even called him on it.


He must have forgot he had his troll-alt set up.
 
2013-01-15 09:51:33 PM
I'm no Rick Scott fan (doesn't he resemble the metal Terminator robot?), but I haven't seen as much ignorance since Sweet Brown.
 
2013-01-16 03:13:04 AM
Florida, you motherfarkers literally elected a crook governor. How dumb are you people?

"You know who I'm voting for? The Medicare thief. He seems legit."

J.F.C.
 
2013-01-16 03:54:07 AM
After reading more about Governor Scott, I have decided that his time in office will definitely be made into a movie some day.

It's basically the classic gangster arc, but with a sliver of legality. I see Jim Carey as the governor in an Oscar-bait role, with maybe Jessica Chastain playing his wife? She's so hot right now!
 
2013-01-16 10:18:15 AM
I-75 is not the turnpike... but dont let facts get in the way of rage.
 
2013-01-16 05:27:49 PM

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Florida, you motherfarkers literally elected a crook governor. How dumb are you people?


There's no need to impugn an entire state for electing Scott any more than impugning an entire nation, which I assume includes you, for electing George W. Bush twice (once).
 
2013-01-16 05:49:50 PM

trey101: I-75 is not the turnpike... but dont let facts get in the way of rage.


I'm curious as to what difference that would make in this context.
 
2013-01-17 03:02:48 AM

Mugato: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Florida, you motherfarkers literally elected a crook governor. How dumb are you people?

There's no need to impugn an entire state for electing Scott any more than impugning an entire nation, which I assume includes you, for electing George W. Bush twice (once).


You think that the people have any say over who runs the country? That's so cute.
 
2013-01-17 05:27:41 AM

DrPainMD: Mugato: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Florida, you motherfarkers literally elected a crook governor. How dumb are you people?

There's no need to impugn an entire state for electing Scott any more than impugning an entire nation, which I assume includes you, for electing George W. Bush twice (once).

You think that the people have any say over who runs the country? That's so cute.


The internet cynic:  the only gnarled asshole who hasn't been made that way by reality.
 
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