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2013-01-14 08:47:10 PM  
By many current conservatives I am probably considered a liberal, but in my opinion if a vet needs/wants Viagra, medical treatment, job training, counseling, temporary housing or an education then I think they have damn well earned it. Look at the headline about military suicides and you realize that we have put a lot of physical, emotional and financial pressure on our vets and their families. I don't support a blank check for anyone but US veterans are not getting anything near what we owe them.
 
2013-01-14 09:08:48 PM  

Steve Zodiac: By many current conservatives I am probably considered a liberal, but in my opinion if a vet needs/wants Viagra, medical treatment, job training, counseling, temporary housing or an education then I think they have damn well earned it. Look at the headline about military suicides and you realize that we have put a lot of physical, emotional and financial pressure on our vets and their families. I don't support a blank check for anyone but US veterans are not getting anything near what we owe them.


Are you talking about war veterans or all veterans? Because I can tell you, my cousin has been sitting on his ass stateside, never in any danger, but will take any upgrade/free drink/freebie offered to him. He says if people are stupid enough not to question whether he's a combat vet, then he has every right to take advantage of their generosity. He once got applause walking through an airport, because he was in uniform, then got upgraded on his flight. Does he deserve all those things because he's simply in the military?
 
2013-01-14 09:09:21 PM  
Military veterans get my utmost respect for what they have done for the country, but their actual medical needs should be met.... not handouts of Viagra just because someone decided it would be nice to hand it out like candy.   They should definitely get all the treatment they need for any stress-related issues they have developed during their service, but I don't see "getting it up for 4 hours" as necessary if you're other head is screwed up.

There are plenty of public service workers who cannot get coverage of Viagra-type drugs or any other needed drugs through their insurance.... and can't afford the costs on their own.  Women still cannot get adequate coverage for birth control or anything else "woman related".   Needed drugs should be covered for all who need them.  It shouldn't be based on some politician doing a favor for some company or as a publicity stunt.

FTA:   The department's pharmaceutical spending with San Francisco-based McKesson, which has a contract to supply most of the VA's drugs, rose 22 percent to $4.29 billion from $3.51 billion during the same time period.

Also FTA:   The VA needs to do more to ensure female veterans receive equal treatment for sexual dysfunction, Rep. Chellie Pingree (D-Maine) said. "Many of the issues around female sexual dysfunction are largely unrecognized, and it's difficult to get assistance,'' Pingree said. There is no VA diagnostic code for female sexual-arousal disorder, which has resulted in women having sexual dysfunction claims denied, she said.
 
2013-01-14 09:41:30 PM  
Subby does not understand how veterans' medical benefits, and varying levels of eligibility, work.
 
2013-01-14 09:43:29 PM  
you're = your


/meh.
 
2013-01-14 10:29:47 PM  

Kimothy: Are you talking about war veterans or all veterans? Because I can tell you, my cousin has been sitting on his ass stateside, never in any danger, but will take any upgrade/free drink/freebie offered to him. He says if people are stupid enough not to question whether he's a combat vet, then he has every right to take advantage of their generosity. He once got applause walking through an airport, because he was in uniform, then got upgraded on his flight. Does he deserve all those things because he's simply in the military?


In any system there are those that game it to their advantage. CEO's of failing companies get large bonuses, Welfare queens cheat the system, corrupt cops get away with beatings and lying, etc etc. But is that the norm or the exception?

I don't think most of the vets are like your cousin. I know a few who somehow stayed stateside for the last 10 years, but most veterans I know had at least one tour overseas somewhere, even if not in a war zone. I have friends who were sent to 'friendly' nations for a tour, and because of war demands and because they went to a non-combat zone they had longer tours. I am certain, though I cannot prove it, that it cost one of those friends his job. Legally they cannot fire you if you are Reserve and called to duty. They (supposedly) eliminated his old position, then offered him another job in the company. And fired him 2 weeks after he took the position. His old job suddenly re-appeared. Yes he probably could have fought it and won. He was, and is, tired and discouraged. I think most vets have experiences like this (or worse) than have a situation like your cousin. Since, as I said, every system gets scammed by a few bad apples, I am not going to deny those who deserve help and praise because a few undeserving might benefit.
 
2013-01-15 12:01:29 AM  

Steve Zodiac: Welfare queens cheat the system


Rush? Is that you? I thought you'd be attracted to a story about Viagra.
 
2013-01-15 12:43:12 AM  

Steve Zodiac: By many current conservatives I am probably considered a liberal, but in my opinion if a vet needs/wants Viagra, medical treatment, job training, counseling, temporary housing or an education then I think they have damn well earned it. Look at the headline about military suicides and you realize that we have put a lot of physical, emotional and financial pressure on our vets and their families. I don't support a blank check for anyone but US veterans are not getting anything near what we owe them.


It is kind of strange, isn't it, that you can't find a single Ferrarri or Aston-Martin dealership adjacent to a military base, but you're guaranteed to find hundreds of payday lenders, rent-to-own appliance stores, bad-credit used car dealers, and pawn shops.

Our national defense generates a lot of wealth, but not for the people who wear uniforms, as you've noticed.
 
2013-01-15 02:12:27 AM  

Kimothy: Steve Zodiac: By many current conservatives I am probably considered a liberal, but in my opinion if a vet needs/wants Viagra, medical treatment, job training, counseling, temporary housing or an education then I think they have damn well earned it. Look at the headline about military suicides and you realize that we have put a lot of physical, emotional and financial pressure on our vets and their families. I don't support a blank check for anyone but US veterans are not getting anything near what we owe them.

Are you talking about war veterans or all veterans? Because I can tell you, my cousin has been sitting on his ass stateside, never in any danger, but will take any upgrade/free drink/freebie offered to him. He says if people are stupid enough not to question whether he's a combat vet, then he has every right to take advantage of their generosity. He once got applause walking through an airport, because he was in uniform, then got upgraded on his flight. Does he deserve all those things because he's simply in the military?


Step up, or step out and STFU.

In other words: Yes.
 
2013-01-15 02:13:58 AM  
Guess all the DU rounds made them impotent.
 
2013-01-15 02:19:34 AM  
military service is hard!

and it's about to get a lot harder...
 
2013-01-15 02:20:33 AM  

belhade: Guess all the DU rounds made them impotent.


Probably not, but exposure to agent orange and subsequent diabetes sure could.
 
2013-01-15 02:24:49 AM  
Viagra for war veterans? Does this mean that, because of the stresses of war, soldiers and vets have been sexually impontentize? Geeshed! How about female soldier veterans, what can they get? Man! All they want are boobs, boobs, and more gangster boobs.
 
2013-01-15 02:25:11 AM  
Funny. What happened to "god's will" when it came to not paying for reproductive heath medications? Oh yeah, these are women.
 
2013-01-15 02:25:31 AM  
Just what we need. A bunch of psycho or socialpathic vets with PTSD procreating on the goverment's dime......
 
2013-01-15 02:25:51 AM  
Well why the fark not? The gov't is apparently responsible for every aspect of our health now so if you have a health issue that keeps you from getting a boner....im just surprised employers aren't required to provide them to employees
 
2013-01-15 02:26:50 AM  
You'd think getting to pack all those big guns around would be enough...
 
2013-01-15 02:28:22 AM  

Kimothy: Steve Zodiac: By many current conservatives I am probably considered a liberal, but in my opinion if a vet needs/wants Viagra, medical treatment, job training, counseling, temporary housing or an education then I think they have damn well earned it. Look at the headline about military suicides and you realize that we have put a lot of physical, emotional and financial pressure on our vets and their families. I don't support a blank check for anyone but US veterans are not getting anything near what we owe them.

Are you talking about war veterans or all veterans? Because I can tell you, my cousin has been sitting on his ass stateside, never in any danger, but will take any upgrade/free drink/freebie offered to him. He says if people are stupid enough not to question whether he's a combat vet, then he has every right to take advantage of their generosity. He once got applause walking through an airport, because he was in uniform, then got upgraded on his flight. Does he deserve all those things because he's simply in the military?


Yes
 
2013-01-15 02:30:48 AM  
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wishes her husband was eligible for Viagra
 
2013-01-15 02:32:02 AM  

Steve Zodiac: By many current conservatives I am probably considered a liberal, but in my opinion if a vet needs/wants Viagra, medical treatment, job training, counseling, temporary housing or an education then I think they have damn well earned it. Look at the headline about military suicides and you realize that we have put a lot of physical, emotional and financial pressure on our vets and their families. I don't support a blank check for anyone but US veterans are not getting anything near what we owe them.


No, you're pretty much what self-styled "conservatives" have devolved to.
 
2013-01-15 02:33:10 AM  

MisterTweak: Steve Zodiac: By many current conservatives I am probably considered a liberal, but in my opinion if a vet needs/wants Viagra, medical treatment, job training, counseling, temporary housing or an education then I think they have damn well earned it. Look at the headline about military suicides and you realize that we have put a lot of physical, emotional and financial pressure on our vets and their families. I don't support a blank check for anyone but US veterans are not getting anything near what we owe them.

It is kind of strange, isn't it, that you can't find a single Ferrarri or Aston-Martin dealership adjacent to a military base, but you're guaranteed to find hundreds of payday lenders, rent-to-own appliance stores, bad-credit used car dealers, and pawn shops.

Our national defense generates a lot of wealth, but not for the people who wear uniforms, as you've noticed.


What's disgusting about all those shady businesses that prey on service memebers: they're often owned by retired service members.
 
2013-01-15 02:39:48 AM  

Earguy: Subby does not understand how veterans' medical benefits, and varying levels of eligibility, work.


This. There are even varying levels of being a veteran, apparently, since I've been told I'm not one basically because I never got deployed while in the Reserves. Yet some organizations don't mind that.
 
2013-01-15 02:39:49 AM  

Earguy: Subby does not understand how veterans' medical benefits, and varying levels of eligibility, work.


I do.

/60%
 
2013-01-15 02:41:07 AM  

Omahawg: military service is hard!

and it's about to get a lot harder...


I thought everybody was asking for Viagra because it isn't hard enough
 
2013-01-15 02:43:30 AM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Earguy: Subby does not understand how veterans' medical benefits, and varying levels of eligibility, work.

I do.

/60%


I know a guy that gets more than that for his high blood pressure. It made his monthly boat payments for a few years.
 
2013-01-15 02:46:21 AM  

Kimothy: Steve Zodiac: By many current conservatives I am probably considered a liberal, but in my opinion if a vet needs/wants Viagra, medical treatment, job training, counseling, temporary housing or an education then I think they have damn well earned it. Look at the headline about military suicides and you realize that we have put a lot of physical, emotional and financial pressure on our vets and their families. I don't support a blank check for anyone but US veterans are not getting anything near what we owe them.

Are you talking about war veterans or all veterans? Because I can tell you, my cousin has been sitting on his ass stateside, never in any danger, but will take any upgrade/free drink/freebie offered to him. He says if people are stupid enough not to question whether he's a combat vet, then he has every right to take advantage of their generosity. He once got applause walking through an airport, because he was in uniform, then got upgraded on his flight. Does he deserve all those things because he's simply in the military?


No he doesn't, and he's a turd. I hate it when I see people wearing their uniform around in airports or at a freaking restaurant when they damn sure don't need to be. That's one of the great things about the Marines. We don't allow cammies to be worn in town. If you're going to try to go on free drink patrol, all your chest candy (or lack thereof) is right there for anyone to see and judge for themselves.
 
2013-01-15 02:47:01 AM  
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I can see how a lot of those guys would need viagra.
 
2013-01-15 02:52:40 AM  

NephilimNexus: [jonathanturley.files.wordpress.com image 320x240]

I can see how a lot of those guys would need viagra.


That has about as much relevance as... absolutely nothing, actually. Why did you feel the need to bring that out? Was there some sort of implied social commentary, or do you just relish the chance to paint all Marines with LCpl Motari's broad brush of dishonor?
 
2013-01-15 02:55:35 AM  
Good. That's like, literally, the very least we can do. Now find a similar solution for lady-troops, and fund it.

The last thing any of these people need to add to the mix of shiat bouncing around in their heads is sexual inadequacy. I bet this program saves lives in the long run.
 
2013-01-15 02:56:16 AM  
If I had seen what they had seen? Oh, yeah. Viagra.

Not a single shred of my intellect or my decency would prevent these men from obtaining Viagra. I'm reminded of the award-winning photograph of the child running away from napalm. When you return to society, you return harmed.

/father and grandfather are disabled vets
 
2013-01-15 02:58:27 AM  
The All-Powerful Atheismo: Earguy: Subby does not understand how veterans' medical benefits, and varying levels of eligibility, work.

I do.

/60%


60% is the standard for sleep apnea, a self induced condition that peopel get when they become fat asses and crush their body at night. Also tends to become more apparent when peopel get on shift work and move to nights for some reason.
 
2013-01-15 02:58:47 AM  

Kimothy: Steve Zodiac: By many current conservatives I am probably considered a liberal, but in my opinion if a vet needs/wants Viagra, medical treatment, job training, counseling, temporary housing or an education then I think they have damn well earned it. Look at the headline about military suicides and you realize that we have put a lot of physical, emotional and financial pressure on our vets and their families. I don't support a blank check for anyone but US veterans are not getting anything near what we owe them.

Are you talking about war veterans or all veterans? Because I can tell you, my cousin has been sitting on his ass stateside, never in any danger, but will take any upgrade/free drink/freebie offered to him. He says if people are stupid enough not to question whether he's a combat vet, then he has every right to take advantage of their generosity. He once got applause walking through an airport, because he was in uniform, then got upgraded on his flight. Does he deserve all those things because he's simply in the military?


So, he's not subject to orders putting him in harm's way? Interesting, I could have sworn that anyone in the military could theoretically be sent anywhere the military needed them, at very little notice...

/got sent on one (of my three) trip the the gulf in gulf war 1 with precisely 72 hours notice, because another ship failed her quals, and we hadn't gone into refit yet
 
2013-01-15 03:02:35 AM  

MisterTweak: It is kind of strange, isn't it, that you can't find a single Ferrarri or Aston-Martin dealership adjacent to a military base, but you're guaranteed to find hundreds of payday lenders, rent-to-own appliance stores, bad-credit used car dealers, and pawn shops.

Our national defense generates a lot of wealth, but not for the people who wear uniforms, as you've noticed.


The mall closest to Pearl Harbor Naval Station used to have a lawyer in it whose giant sign read:
"DIVORCE-MILITARY RATES".

/also a pawn shop and a Long John Silvers...they tore it down and rebuilt it all gentrified-like, with not a pawn shop or divorce lawyer to be seen
//the lawyer moved to another, equally-seedy mall that now also houses a mil-surplus store.
///I was once the best-man at a wedding between an Army infantryman and a woman with HUGE tits. The wedding lasted...about half a year.
 
2013-01-15 03:04:29 AM  

Ishidan: MisterTweak:
///I was once the best-man at a wedding between an Army infantryman and a woman with HUGE tits. The wedding lasted...about half a year.


The wedding, or the marriage? Because that's one long party if it was the wedding...
 
2013-01-15 03:05:23 AM  
Also, many psychiatric drugs have impotence as a possible side effect. If you don't give those men viagra, they'll often quit the medications, and quit trying to get the REAL help they need.
 
2013-01-15 03:06:50 AM  

ladyfortuna: Ishidan: MisterTweak:
///I was once the best-man at a wedding between an Army infantryman and a woman with HUGE tits. The wedding lasted...about half a year.

The wedding, or the marriage? Because that's one long party if it was the wedding...


Good catch, the marriage.
 
2013-01-15 03:08:13 AM  
Seriously subby, what's your malfunction?
 
2013-01-15 03:11:40 AM  
This is my weapon, this is my gun.
One is for fighting, one is for fun.

/and, of course, men get boner bills thrown at them for free while women struggle to get birth control pills
 
2013-01-15 03:11:45 AM  
Imagine that: looking after people who need it, rather than treating their needs as a financial transaction that has to be justified to low-information cretinous trust fund babies. Crazy.
 
2013-01-15 03:15:19 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah:

/and, of course, men get boner bills thrown at them for free while women struggle to get birth control pills


farking THIS.

Bullshiat double standard.
 
2013-01-15 03:21:43 AM  

Earguy: Subby does not understand how veterans' medical benefits, and varying levels of eligibility, work.


Neither does the VA
 
2013-01-15 03:21:45 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: This is my weapon, this is my gun.
One is for fighting, one is for fun.

/and, of course, men get boner bills thrown at them for free while women struggle to get birth control pills


Both should have as much of their pills as they want. Sheesh, why do we hafta knock each other down so gleefully?
 
2013-01-15 03:25:47 AM  
40 comments and no standing to attention jokes?

[son-i-am-dissapoint.png]
 
2013-01-15 03:25:58 AM  
No, don't give someone who has earned it anything, keep giving the whores free birth control though
 
2013-01-15 03:26:12 AM  
Ok, rather than hint about it I'll try to make it more clear. Since the mid-90's when you get out of the service there is an automatic review of your medical records. They started this because young servicemen and servicewomen often are hesitant to report issues they may have. It also helps weed out later false claims. Now any veteran can go to the VA and get medical aid. But there is an evaluation done as to what is covered free, reduced cost or at full cost. Generally speaking coverage for things service connected is 100%. Generally because sometimes they are pretty obtuse at connecting the dots. It is possible to be service rated at 0%, which is the VA's way of saying "Service did that, but it is not debilitating for you but if it causes issues we will take care of it." 10% is the first major threshold. At 30% the rules change again and some additional services are allowed. 50% is the big cross over point for things where copay's disappear. More information on co-pays and the like here.

TL\DR version: I can get the medications and services I need but if they are not related to my service injuries I will be paying for them.

Sometimes it is worth it. Sometimes I go to a regular doctor under work health insurance. But for all the jackholes out there who like to say that everyone can buy their own health insurance, I just like to add while contracting and freelancing, I found that I was turned down for insurance at all due to pre-existing conditions for which the INSURANCE COMPANY WOULD NEVER SEE A RELATED BILL.

I'm 40% for both knees, one ankle and a back injury. All done in peace time but in uniform, in the field. Wars come and go, but stupid commanders putting their troops in unnecessarily risky situations are forever.
 
2013-01-15 03:29:49 AM  

hbk72777: No, don't give someone who has earned it anything, keep giving the whores free birth control though


who do you think are farking the whores?
 
2013-01-15 03:30:40 AM  

log_jammin: hbk72777: No, don't give someone who has earned it anything, keep giving the whores free birth control though

who do you think are farking the whores?


And marrying, and granting General Powers of Attorney to, and divorcing. The circle of life.
 
2013-01-15 03:30:48 AM  

Kimothy: Are you talking about war veterans or all veterans? Because I can tell you, my cousin has been sitting on his ass stateside, never in any danger, but will take any upgrade/free drink/freebie offered to him. He says if people are stupid enough not to question whether he's a combat vet, then he has every right to take advantage of their generosity. He once got applause walking through an airport, because he was in uniform, then got upgraded on his flight. Does he deserve all those things because he's simply in the military?


I've got over 8 years in submarines (and yes, my shore duty was actually served on a submarine) during the cold war (82-91)and I haven't tapped the VA or any other governmental agency for squat since the day I got out. No loans, no medical, no educational assistance. Nothing.Hell, most of the people I know have no idea that I served, much less where or how. I may have to get into the VA system now because of Obamacare just to cover my bases but otherwise I probably never would have. For every scammer like your cousin out there there are probably 100 people who leave the service and never touch what they are legally entitled to. If they did the VA would be overwhelmed and bankrupt.

Your cousin is a disgrace as a human being for doing what he did, but that was probably his story long before he went into the military,
 
2013-01-15 03:31:40 AM  

ParaHandy: 40 comments and no standing to attention jokes?

[son-i-am-dissapoint.png]


Here you go (NSFW)
 
2013-01-15 03:32:38 AM  

daveUSMC: And marrying, and granting General Powers of Attorney to, and divorcing. The circle of life.


the main reason I got out. I knew I wanted a family someday.
 
2013-01-15 03:35:27 AM  

Gdalescrboz: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Earguy: Subby does not understand how veterans' medical benefits, and varying levels of eligibility, work.

I do.

/60%

60% is the standard for sleep apnea, a self induced condition that peopel get when they become fat asses and crush their body at night. Also tends to become more apparent when peopel get on shift work and move to nights for some reason.


Don't get what the percent means but sleep apnea isn't just for fatties. Has more to do with the structure of skull than anything else. Your head doesn't retain enough fat to collapse the airways behind your nose.

Also, sleep deprivation, which is obviously the result of constantly not breathing at night, causes weight gain, intense carb cravings because your body is low on energy, and energy so low that exercise is significantly more difficult.

Shift work is its own sleep disorder, but to diagnose any sleep disorder, they run a full test that checks for restless legs, sleep apnea, and narcolepsy. That's the only relationship.


/narcoleptic
//dad has sleep apnea, not a man to complain ever
///severe narcolepsy is what I'd wish on my worst enemies and all the assholes of the planet if I had the chance
 
2013-01-15 03:38:01 AM  

Radioactive Ass: Kimothy: Are you talking about war veterans or all veterans? Because I can tell you, my cousin has been sitting on his ass stateside, never in any danger, but will take any upgrade/free drink/freebie offered to him. He says if people are stupid enough not to question whether he's a combat vet, then he has every right to take advantage of their generosity. He once got applause walking through an airport, because he was in uniform, then got upgraded on his flight. Does he deserve all those things because he's simply in the military?

I've got over 8 years in submarines (and yes, my shore duty was actually served on a submarine) during the cold war (82-91)and I haven't tapped the VA or any other governmental agency for squat since the day I got out. No loans, no medical, no educational assistance. Nothing.Hell, most of the people I know have no idea that I served, much less where or how. I may have to get into the VA system now because of Obamacare just to cover my bases but otherwise I probably never would have. For every scammer like your cousin out there there are probably 100 people who leave the service and never touch what they are legally entitled to. If they did the VA would be overwhelmed and bankrupt.

Your cousin is a disgrace as a human being for doing what he did, but that was probably his story long before he went into the military,


This. THIS. THIS!
 
2013-01-15 03:39:25 AM  

daveUSMC: That's one of the great things about the Marines. We don't allow cammies to be worn in town.


I had no idea you were with the Marines, daveUSMC...
 
2013-01-15 03:44:20 AM  

Ilmarinen: daveUSMC: That's one of the great things about the Marines. We don't allow cammies to be worn in town.

I had no idea you were with the Marines, daveUSMC...


Internet tagline created the better part of a decade earlier to chat with e-pals and trolls I'll never once meet vs parading around in town in your look-at-me soldier suit while doing routine things like shopping or eating. SLIGHT difference.
 
2013-01-15 03:58:26 AM  

bangmaid: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 412x232]
wishes her husband was eligible for Viagra


Her husband didn't need Viagra. All he needed was a Bi-Polar CIA chick.
 
2013-01-15 04:04:03 AM  

Gdalescrboz: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Earguy: Subby does not understand how veterans' medical benefits, and varying levels of eligibility, work.

I do.

/60%

60% is the standard for sleep apnea, a self induced condition that peopel get when they become fat asses and crush their body at night. Also tends to become more apparent when peopel get on shift work and move to nights for some reason.


These say you are full of it. 10%... and there are other ways of getting sleep apnea..
 
2013-01-15 04:36:05 AM  

truthseeker2083: Kimothy: Steve Zodiac: By many current conservatives I am probably considered a liberal, but in my opinion if a vet needs/wants Viagra, medical treatment, job training, counseling, temporary housing or an education then I think they have damn well earned it. Look at the headline about military suicides and you realize that we have put a lot of physical, emotional and financial pressure on our vets and their families. I don't support a blank check for anyone but US veterans are not getting anything near what we owe them.

Are you talking about war veterans or all veterans? Because I can tell you, my cousin has been sitting on his ass stateside, never in any danger, but will take any upgrade/free drink/freebie offered to him. He says if people are stupid enough not to question whether he's a combat vet, then he has every right to take advantage of their generosity. He once got applause walking through an airport, because he was in uniform, then got upgraded on his flight. Does he deserve all those things because he's simply in the military?

Yes


And yes again.

He's still better than all the ITGs and wannabe soldiers talking about how they'd kick Mooslim ass if only they weren't too busy biatching about the Kenyan usurper in the White House.
 
2013-01-15 04:36:06 AM  
Private, that is NOT the correct way to salute a superior officer.
 
2013-01-15 04:37:30 AM  
My gf gets her birth control at a much reduced rate through the VA. Those wanting to make this into a women's issues thread, keep moving. Nothing to see here.
 
2013-01-15 04:44:00 AM  

sexorcisst: Private, that is NOT the correct way to salute a superior officer.


It is if she's asking you to.

OK, that didn't sound right.
 
2013-01-15 05:40:11 AM  
I served in "Special Operations" before such service had a name. I never had an injury that (Thankfully) required me to rely on Viagra. However, I was damned near killed in an operation in a country during an operation that will NEVER make the history books but which played a part in shortening the cold war. That's ALL I'm going to say about that.

If a male Vet needs viagra or a Female Vet needs birth control, I think they've earned at least that.

And shame on any non-Veteran American who tries to tell a combat veteran what they do or do not rate.

Combat is combat.

fark YOU if you voted for the wrong guy and he started a war you didn't like.

Injury is injury.
 
2013-01-15 05:48:52 AM  
Steve Zodiac: By many current conservatives I am probably considered a liberal, but in my opinion if a vet needs/wants Viagra, medical treatment, job training, counseling, temporary housing or an education then I think they have damn well earned it. Look at the headline about military suicides and you realize that we have put a lot of physical, emotional and financial pressure on our vets and their families. I don't support a blank check for anyone but US veterans are not getting anything near what we owe them.

Bullshiat.

Between

A basic salary
educational benefits
job retraining benefits
health benefits
retirement benefits
mortgage benefits
tax benefits
travel benefits
housing benefits
job preference benefits
and thousands of others, the total compensation for the lowest grunt in the armed forces is now over $100,000/year equivalent.

US soliders are EXCEPTIONALLY well compensated, and it sounds to me that a blank check is EXACTLY what you are supporting.

unfortunately, showing that the myth of the "poor veteran" is an emperor without clothes is political suicide, so, we just pile on benefit after benefit after benefit because if you are agains them you Hate America and are Worse Than Hitler.

Sorry, NO. Enough is enough.
 
2013-01-15 05:51:23 AM  
And fark you if you voted for a guy who promised he would end a two front war and DIDN'T.

Every Marine I knew was Apolitical.

When you're holding a fellow service person whose blood is rushing out of him or her so fast that it makes a sound when it hits the ground? Politics mean very little.

When you have been involved in some carnage and you suddenly realise that blood has a SMELL? Politics mean very little.

So a guy veteran needs a boner pill or a lady veteran is asking for an abortion because she was raped?

fark YOU for saying no.

HOW farkING DARE YOU?
 
2013-01-15 05:54:51 AM  
"free?" really? The VA benefits are part of the contract.

Bomb Head Mohammed: Steve Zodiac: By many current conservatives I am probably considered a liberal, but in my opinion if a vet needs/wants Viagra, medical treatment, job training, counseling, temporary housing or an education then I think they have damn well earned it. Look at the headline about military suicides and you realize that we have put a lot of physical, emotional and financial pressure on our vets and their families. I don't support a blank check for anyone but US veterans are not getting anything near what we owe them.

Bullshiat.

Between

A basic salary
educational benefits
job retraining benefits
health benefits
retirement benefits
mortgage benefits
tax benefits
travel benefits
housing benefits
job preference benefits
and thousands of others, the total compensation for the lowest grunt in the armed forces is now over $100,000/year equivalent.

US soliders are EXCEPTIONALLY well compensated, and it sounds to me that a blank check is EXACTLY what you are supporting.

unfortunately, showing that the myth of the "poor veteran" is an emperor without clothes is political suicide, so, we just pile on benefit after benefit after benefit because if you are agains them you Hate America and are Worse Than Hitler.

Sorry, NO. Enough is enough.


Please, please, please be a troll....
I spent way too much time working with military wives on how to get WIC so their kids would have proper nutrition.

Anyone who says that the VA hands out whatever vets want willy-nilly has never tried to get something they need from them.
 
2013-01-15 05:59:42 AM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: Steve Zodiac: By many current conservatives I am probably considered a liberal, but in my opinion if a vet needs/wants Viagra, medical treatment, job training, counseling, temporary housing or an education then I think they have damn well earned it. Look at the headline about military suicides and you realize that we have put a lot of physical, emotional and financial pressure on our vets and their families. I don't support a blank check for anyone but US veterans are not getting anything near what we owe them.

Bullshiat.

Between

A basic salary
educational benefits
job retraining benefits
health benefits
retirement benefits
mortgage benefits
tax benefits
travel benefits
housing benefits
job preference benefits
and thousands of others, the total compensation for the lowest grunt in the armed forces is now over $100,000/year equivalent.

US soliders are EXCEPTIONALLY well compensated, and it sounds to me that a blank check is EXACTLY what you are supporting..


Enough is enough is RIGHT! YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY BATshiat INSANE.

(CITATION.JPEG)

Do you even KNOW what an American warrior is paid?

And YOU get EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE SAME FEDERAL BENEFITS without you having to risk your tiny yellow skin!

Go upstairs to your Mom's Kitchen, your Pizza Rolls are done and she wants to microwave a hotpocket.
 
2013-01-15 06:06:08 AM  
"Please, please, please be a troll....
I spent way too much time working with military wives on how to get WIC so their kids would have proper nutrition."

So, what you're saying is that the government isnt providing enough - so little in fact that those in question need to turn to a government program? hello? hello? Anybody in there?

What needs an adjustment is your expectations. Those "people getting WIC" were the multiple kids of a 22 year old high school graduate (if even) grunt who admittedly gets a relatively low basic monetary component to his contribution and yet your expectation is that he be able to support family on this. as if suddenly his enlistment in the military is supposed to make good all of his previous bad life choices.

your wic family guy has enormous opportunity to get a subsidized mortgage, subsidized housing, subsidized health care and to better himself for his family through subsidized education, job training, and job preferences.

what is wrong is this insane notion that all of a sudden because somebody joins the military they are entitled to a middle class life and a middle class salary and that somehow we can pretend that they have middle class skills (and, moreover, that they are all 'heroes.') The military is a giant organization made up of diverse individuals. It provides them with enormous opportunities and benefits. but it is not and should not be a guarantee nor should be a promise to fix their lives based on a few years of service.

the military is an INCREDIBLY good financial / benefits deal for anybody who joins at the moment.
 
2013-01-15 06:07:44 AM  

Poo_Fight: Bomb Head Mohammed: Steve Zodiac: By many current conservatives I am probably considered a liberal, but in my opinion if a vet needs/wants Viagra, medical treatment, job training, counseling, temporary housing or an education then I think they have damn well earned it. Look at the headline about military suicides and you realize that we have put a lot of physical, emotional and financial pressure on our vets and their families. I don't support a blank check for anyone but US veterans are not getting anything near what we owe them.

Bullshiat.

Between

A basic salary
educational benefits
job retraining benefits
health benefits
retirement benefits
mortgage benefits
tax benefits
travel benefits
housing benefits
job preference benefits
and thousands of others, the total compensation for the lowest grunt in the armed forces is now over $100,000/year equivalent.

US soliders are EXCEPTIONALLY well compensated, and it sounds to me that a blank check is EXACTLY what you are supporting..

Enough is enough is RIGHT! YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY BATshiat INSANE.

(CITATION.JPEG)

Do you even KNOW what an American warrior is paid?

And YOU get EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE SAME FEDERAL BENEFITS without you having to risk your tiny yellow skin!

Go upstairs to your Mom's Kitchen, your Pizza Rolls are done and she wants to microwave a hotpocket.


Well, there is a massive disparity in pay between junior enlisted and senior officer pay. I am fortunate enough to have had a college education, and entered in as an officer. My pay is very comfortable and puts me in the slightly upper middle class. Plus, I've been in AFG for a long ass time, so I'm not paying federal taxes (don't tell Mitt). I'm doing just fine, financially at least, and should probably not ask taxpayers to pay for my middle pocket salutes.

However, PFC Jones, does not have much disposable income, especially if he decided to marry one of the locals around Camp LeJeune,

Big difference.
 
2013-01-15 06:08:37 AM  
Honestly, if you're greatest concern is the perception that some one else is getting a boner on your dime?....
 
2013-01-15 06:11:07 AM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: Bullshiat.


It's cute that you don't know the difference between a veteran and active duty.
 
2013-01-15 06:12:43 AM  
The US Military is the biggest socialist jobs and education program on the planet, complete with socialist healthcare.
It is strange that so many of those that benefitted from this largess are political conservatives that speak out against socialist jobs programs and healthcare.
Republican veterns are all a bunch of hypocritical self-important crybabies that believe everyone else should respect their "sacrifice."
Whatever. You got paid and you continue to get paid and now you want a free boner for your efforts so you can jack off to the Fox news anchors.
 
2013-01-15 06:17:23 AM  
Well, there is a massive disparity in pay between junior enlisted and senior officer pay. I am fortunate enough to have had a college education, and entered in as an officer. My pay is very comfortableand puts me in the slightly upper middle class. Plus, I've been in AFG for a long ass time, so I'm not paying federal taxes (don't tell Mitt). I'm doing just fine, financially at least, and should probably not ask taxpayers to pay for my middle pocket salutes.

However, PFC Jones, does not have much disposable income, especially if he decided to marry one of the locals around Camp LeJeune,

Big difference.


"senior officer" ? Really?

Tell me what rank, TIS, and money you make as a "SENIOR OFFICER " and I'll demonstrate to you how you are farking liar. In the Corps there is NO SUCH THING. (That's a hollywodd term.)

But you're probably, wha?t -14 years old and will spend the rest of your life PRETENDING to be a warrior.
 
2013-01-15 06:18:13 AM  

TheWhoppah: The US Military is the biggest socialist jobs and education program on the planet, complete with socialist healthcare.
It is strange that so many of those that benefitted from this largess are political conservatives that speak out against socialist jobs programs and healthcare.
Republican veterns are all a bunch of hypocritical self-important crybabies that believe everyone else should respect their "sacrifice."
Whatever. You got paid and you continue to get paid and now you want a free boner for your efforts so you can jack off to the Fox news anchors.


While the ideological part of your tirade is more or less accurate, who shat in your cheerios this morning? C'mere. Someone needs a hug. Get over here big guy!
 
2013-01-15 06:21:03 AM  
MisterTweak:
Our national defense generates a lot of wealth, but not for the people who wear uniforms, as you've noticed.

Zombie Smedley Butler, is that you?
 
2013-01-15 06:22:23 AM  
daveUSMC:However, PFC Jones, does not have much disposable income, especially if he decided to marry one of the locals around Camp LeJeune,/I>

Disposable income as in cash, i fully agree. But PFC jones has, as multiple studies have pointed out [sorry, 'citation needed, i know - dont have any handy as i am at the airport], access to an enormous amount of benefits that make the total value of his compensation enormous, especially so if he takes advantage of things like educational, tax, mortgage, job preference, etc. benefits.. and, thesedays, PFC jones needs to be in only a few years to get a gold plated lifetime health benefit the likes of which would make our ww2 veterans blush.
 
2013-01-15 06:22:56 AM  

daveUSMC: TheWhoppah: The US Military is the biggest socialist jobs and education program on the planet, complete with socialist healthcare.
It is strange that so many of those that benefitted from this largess are political conservatives that speak out against socialist jobs programs and healthcare.
Republican veterns are all a bunch of hypocritical self-important crybabies that believe everyone else should respect their "sacrifice."
Whatever. You got paid and you continue to get paid and now you want a free boner for your efforts so you can jack off to the Fox news anchors.

While the ideological part of your tirade is more or less accurate, who shat in your cheerios this morning? C'mere. Someone needs a hug. Get over here big guy!


Best thing I've read in a WEEK!!!
 
2013-01-15 06:24:09 AM  

Poo_Fight: Do you even KNOW what an American warrior is paid?


"American warrior" ? Really?

Tell me what rank, TIS, and money you make as a "AMERICAN WARRIOR " and I'll demonstrate to you how you are farking liar. In the Corps there is NO SUCH THING. (That's a hollywodd term.)

But you're probably, wha?t -14 years old and will spend the rest of your life PRETENDING to be a warrior.
 
2013-01-15 06:35:56 AM  

Poo_Fight: Well, there is a massive disparity in pay between junior enlisted and senior officer pay. I am fortunate enough to have had a college education, and entered in as an officer. My pay is very comfortableand puts me in the slightly upper middle class. Plus, I've been in AFG for a long ass time, so I'm not paying federal taxes (don't tell Mitt). I'm doing just fine, financially at least, and should probably not ask taxpayers to pay for my middle pocket salutes.

However, PFC Jones, does not have much disposable income, especially if he decided to marry one of the locals around Camp LeJeune,

Big difference.

"senior officer" ? Really?

Tell me what rank, TIS, and money you make as a "SENIOR OFFICER " and I'll demonstrate to you how you are farking liar. In the Corps there is NO SUCH THING. (That's a hollywodd term.)

But you're probably, wha?t -14 years old and will spend the rest of your life PRETENDING to be a warrior.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-15 06:37:44 AM  
log_jammin: Bomb Head Mohammed: Bullshiat.

It's cute that you don't know the difference between a veteran and active duty.

it's cute that you don't know the meaning of 'total compensation equivalent.' If i work today at a bookstore and make $5 per hour but that bookstore offers me a gold plated health package for life after I work there a few years, then the value of what I am actually getting is more than $5 per hour, even if I only have $5 x 40 in cash in my pocket at the end of the week.

But, you know, keep throwing up smokescreens and fud to try to draw attention from the basic fact that the total compensation equivalent that US military members receive is incredibly generous compared to any other military or time in history. wrap yourself in the flag and start accusing me of being an al quaeda sympathizer of seecret mooslim while you're at it.
 
2013-01-15 06:39:26 AM  

Poo_Fight: Well, there is a massive disparity in pay between junior enlisted and senior officer pay. I am fortunate enough to have had a college education, and entered in as an officer. My pay is very comfortableand puts me in the slightly upper middle class. Plus, I've been in AFG for a long ass time, so I'm not paying federal taxes (don't tell Mitt). I'm doing just fine, financially at least, and should probably not ask taxpayers to pay for my middle pocket salutes.

However, PFC Jones, does not have much disposable income, especially if he decided to marry one of the locals around Camp LeJeune,

Big difference.

"senior officer" ? Really?

Tell me what rank, TIS, and money you make as a "SENIOR OFFICER " and I'll demonstrate to you how you are farking liar. In the Corps there is NO SUCH THING. (That's a hollywodd term.)

But you're probably, wha?t -14 years old and will spend the rest of your life PRETENDING to be a warrior.


Hey bud, I never said I was a senior officer, just an officer. I reiterate my earlier question: who has defecated in your breakfast on this fine morning?
 
2013-01-15 06:43:05 AM  

daveUSMC: Poo_Fight: Well, there is a massive disparity in pay between junior enlisted and senior officer pay. I am fortunate enough to have had a college education, and entered in as an officer. My pay is very comfortableand puts me in the slightly upper middle class. Plus, I've been in AFG for a long ass time, so I'm not paying federal taxes (don't tell Mitt). I'm doing just fine, financially at least, and should probably not ask taxpayers to pay for my middle pocket salutes.

However, PFC Jones, does not have much disposable income, especially if he decided to marry one of the locals around Camp LeJeune,

Big difference.

"senior officer" ? Really?

Tell me what rank, TIS, and money you make as a "SENIOR OFFICER " and I'll demonstrate to you how you are farking liar. In the Corps there is NO SUCH THING. (That's a hollywodd term.)

But you're probably, wha?t -14 years old and will spend the rest of your life PRETENDING to be a warrior.

Hey bud, I never said I was a senior officer, just an officer. I reiterate my earlier question: who has defecated in your breakfast on this fine morning?


Wait, I just realized, you weren't the original breakfast poop victim in question. There must be a phantom villain...

Really, though. Why so up in arms (no pun intended)? Chill, friend.
 
2013-01-15 06:47:54 AM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: the total compensation equivalent that US military members


wow. you really don't know the difference.

Bomb Head Mohammed: wrap yourself in the flag and start accusing me of being an al quaeda sympathizer of seecret mooslim while you're at it.


wut?
 
2013-01-15 06:51:20 AM  
Anyway, my main point, prior to being successfully baited by Poo_Fight, is that you cannot say that the entire military is comprised of nothing but underpaid and unappreciated heroes fightin' fer freedom all the time.

There are many who skate out of deployments; who are generally turds; who make up the LCpl Motaris (puppy thrower) of the Corps.

Also, the pay is very good for a very large cross-section of the military. Starting at about E-5 with 6 years time in service, you're in the range of solidly middle class. And officers starting out as a boot Lt are already in that echelon. I am very blessed and fortunate to be compensated the way I am (I'm no rich man, especially with the ol' ball and chain), but I have never once been in financial trouble in my adult post-college life thanks to the military and its great benefits. And I'll end up either getting a free MBA or if I stay in long enough, pass on a free undergraduate degree to my kid in 20 years or so.

The health care is great too, relatively speaking. Unless you're a very junior enlisted serviceman, there is no reason to gripe about the pay and bennies, is my only point - which was tangentially related to boner pills.
 
2013-01-15 06:53:07 AM  
Wow, I need an internet writing class... or just need to go to bed. My apologies for the run-ons and fragments.
 
2013-01-15 07:10:50 AM  
This is good news. I kind of hurt my back while I was in. Planet Vicodin here I come!
 
2013-01-15 07:31:20 AM  

ladyfortuna: Earguy: Subby does not understand how veterans' medical benefits, and varying levels of eligibility, work.

This. There are even varying levels of being a veteran, apparently, since I've been told I'm not one basically because I never got deployed while in the Reserves. Yet some organizations don't mind that.


Yeah, I joined the Reserves after the first Gulf war, and was honorably discharged before the  second.  I am not considered a veteran, and I have no DD-214.

What organizations "don't mind"?
 
2013-01-15 07:38:53 AM  

Earguy: ladyfortuna: Earguy: Subby does not understand how veterans' medical benefits, and varying levels of eligibility, work.

This. There are even varying levels of being a veteran, apparently, since I've been told I'm not one basically because I never got deployed while in the Reserves. Yet some organizations don't mind that.

Yeah, I joined the Reserves after the first Gulf war, and was honorably discharged before the  second.  I am not considered a veteran, and I have no DD-214.

What organizations "don't mind"?


How did you not get a DD214? sounds like someone in the head shed was too lazy to do paperwork, which isnt surprising.
 
2013-01-15 07:44:37 AM  

Earguy: Yeah, I joined the Reserves after the first Gulf war, and was honorably discharged before the second. I am not considered a veteran, and I have no DD-214.


wow. that farking sucks. I didn't know it worked like that.
 
2013-01-15 07:46:53 AM  

Onkel Buck: How did you not get a DD214? sounds like someone in the head shed was too lazy to do paperwork, which isnt surprising.


They're not given to reservists, and the don't qualify for most VA benefits unless they were active duty at some point.

My first thought was admin screw up as well, but that's not it.
 
2013-01-15 07:55:53 AM  

log_jammin: Onkel Buck: How did you not get a DD214? sounds like someone in the head shed was too lazy to do paperwork, which isnt surprising.

They're not given to reservists, and the don't qualify for most VA benefits unless they were active duty at some point.

My first thought was admin screw up as well, but that's not it.


Wow. I served 7 years active and didnt know that. Thats pretty shiatty. If you did basic and AIT with guys going active and National Guard you should get all the same benefits.
 
2013-01-15 07:57:44 AM  
The "Big Green Weenie" doesn't need Viagra, it's always hard and ready to fark you.

/BOHICA
 
2013-01-15 08:06:46 AM  

fst_creeper: TL\DR version: I can get the medications and services I need but if they are not related to my service injuries I will be paying for them.


That. And if you are covered by any insurance- say from a spouse or your own job -the VA bills them. There are some obvious benefits in that if you see more than one specialist on any given day, you only make one copay. There is a max copay on any drug prescription, stuff like that. But my personal experience is it's not a whole lot different than any other insurance I have used.
 
2013-01-15 08:08:58 AM  
I read that as vegetarians. If that was true, I suspect a lot of soldiers would go vegetarian during service.
 
2013-01-15 08:10:12 AM  
It's been covered above, but Viagra is not free through the VA. unless the "disability" is service related. PTSD might qualify you. And, even then they prescribe only 3 or 4 pills for 30 days, and the 'script says to break 'em in half so you get twice as many bones.

It's a joke. Would you want to drink only half a beer so you theoretically get twice as many beers out of a six pak? Of course not. It takes a whole pill to play hide the salami.

So if you ever come out of your mom's basement and actually get a non-blow-up girlfriend, you may discover that 3 rides a month really isn't enough.

Finally, anyone who wears or has worn a uniform has written a check to the US Govt for up to and including his/her life. It can be cashed at any time. We're all heroes.
 
2013-01-15 08:14:24 AM  

Radioactive Ass:
Your cousin is a disgrace as a human being for doing what he did, but that was probably his story long before he went into the military,


Why? He signed up and went to training and was on call for the US. The fact his unit never had the need to force him to go serve is none of anyones business. I know a lot of reserver/guard members that are veterans that never went over. I've only had to go over one time the rest we have had enough people volunteer to go (yes I volunteered the first time, new family happened and didn't want to leave them unless I had to).

There are a lot of reserve and guard veterans that have never been to sandbox but they are still veterans because they could have been sent at any time. Yes it sucks and I thought really badly of one troop that said he's spending 20 years of only going to the good AT spots and will never go to anywhere bad unless forced, I thought he was a POS but he still fulfulling his obligation; I was so glad he got forced out for being a d-bag.
 
2013-01-15 08:16:32 AM  

Habitual Cynic: It's been covered above, but Viagra is not free through the VA. unless the "disability" is service related. PTSD might qualify you. And, even then they prescribe only 3 or 4 pills for 30 days, and the 'script says to break 'em in half so you get twice as many bones.

It's a joke. Would you want to drink only half a beer so you theoretically get twice as many beers out of a six pak? Of course not. It takes a whole pill to play hide the salami.

So if you ever come out of your mom's basement and actually get a non-blow-up girlfriend, you may discover that 3 rides a month really isn't enough.

Finally, anyone who wears or has worn a uniform has written a check to the US Govt for up to and including his/her life. It can be cashed at any time. We're all heroes.


Hey I'm married and it's a good month for 3 rides a month. I'm not sure what I would do with 6.
 
2013-01-15 08:22:50 AM  
If businesses are forced to pay for birth control for hairy legged feminists then I have mo problem with vets getting free ED drugs whether they need them or not.
 
2013-01-15 08:25:15 AM  
Cry moar, feminazimitter. You sound very emotional.
 
2013-01-15 08:29:43 AM  

Poo_Fight: Do you even KNOW what an American warrior is paid?

And YOU get EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE SAME FEDERAL BENEFITS without you having to risk your tiny yellow skin!


Stormfront.org is thattaway, oh great American patriot --->
 
2013-01-15 08:41:31 AM  
Get Congress to actually declare a war, then get back to me about veteran's needs in "wartime." They get enough handouts as it is. It's a volunteer army, and any idiots that volunteered knowing full well that their asses were getting sent to a pointless nation-building exercise get no sympathy from me.
 
2013-01-15 08:44:50 AM  

fst_creeper: Gdalescrboz: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Earguy: Subby does not understand how veterans' medical benefits, and varying levels of eligibility, work.

I do.

/60%

60% is the standard for sleep apnea, a self induced condition that peopel get when they become fat asses and crush their body at night. Also tends to become more apparent when peopel get on shift work and move to nights for some reason.

These say you are full of it. 10%... and there are other ways of getting sleep apnea..



All right listen up, this is Rumor Control, and here are the facts.

With regard to obstructive sleep apnea, it is not a "presumptive" condition, which is whythat Veteran lost his appeal to the Board of Veterans Appeals. Second of all, the evaluation of sleep apnea in specific (diagnostic code 6847) and all service connected disabilities in general are controlled by 38 Code of Federal Regulations Part 4 section whatever. It's available online if anyone is curious. Sleep apnea looks like this:

6847 Sleep Apnea Syndromes (Obstructive, Central, Mixed): Rating
Chronic respiratory failure with carbon dioxide retention or cor pulmonale, or; requires tracheostomy 100
Requires use of breathing assistance device such as continuous airway pressure (CPAP) machine 50
Persistent day-time hypersomnolence 30
Asymptomatic but with documented sleep disorder breathing 0


So usually, if there's an in-service dx of OSA, or if there's at least documented complaints of symptoms during service that a doctor provided a medical opinion with a decent rationale establishing a link between the current diagnosis and the in-service symptoms, then we can service connect that.The CPAP makesit worth 50 percent.

Yes, we, I work for the VA granting or denying exactly these sorts of claims for a few years now, really getting a kick, etc.

With regard to the guy's cousin who stayed stateside but gets applause in the airport whilst wearing his uniform: Dude still gave Uncle Sam a blank with a value up to and including his life when he signed up. He didn't know he was going to be an REMF. I don't care whether a Veteran's injuries are due to enemy action or from playing basketball; they all handed the same blank check over to Uncle Sam when they signed up.

A note about basketballs; those things are a menace. I've seen soooooo many injuries related to basketball; wrists, knees, all sorts of things. We ought to be dropping those on the enemy instead! Hah! I make joke.

With regard to Reservists: Yeah, sorry about that. I think they get kind of a raw deal. See, the general philosophy is that you are presumed to be in tip top perfect shape when you enlist, other than whatever specific items are listed on your enlistment physical, and whatever happens to you during ACTIVE DUTY is Uncle Sam's responsibility. It's sort of like Workers Compensation in a way. We simply PRESUME that WHATEVER happens to you (short of willful misconduct) during active duty was incurred "in the line of duty" because we don't want to have to worry about proving or disproving exactly how the injury or illness is related to service. We're giving them the benefit of the doubt. This works out great for Service Members with many years of Active Duty service; just about whatever happens to them is thus service connected. The Reservists and Guards however, they're only eligible for service connection for injuries that happen while on Active Duty, or Active Duty for Training. Trranslation: two brothers, one career Army for 20 years, the other does his four year stint and is Reserves for the next 16, and both wind up with hypertension, only the first brother is going to get it. We DO however make an exception for heart attacks and strokes just as a matter of policy; a Reservist who strokes out during ADT or has a heart attack on his way to or from Active Duty for Training for example will usually get service connected.

If it's any consolation, working claims from Guards/Reservists is a PITA, because they have like six or eight periods of Active Duty due to the NEVER. ENDING. DEPLOYMENTS. It causes a processing and paperwork nightmare.

Last, and to address the headline: First, I DNRTFA. Second, there are a hell-smear of Vietnam Veterans out there. They're part of the Baby Boom generation, remember? And diabetes is a presumptive condition related to Agent Orange. That is, we PRESUME that diabetes was caused by their exposure to Agent Orange and not 30 years of sucking down cheeseburgers since they got out of service decades ago. A common complication of diabetes is... erectile dysfunction.So, it is only natural that, as these guys get older and their diabetes progresses that they develop erectile dysfunction, and we treat the complications of their service connected condition.

TL/DR: Sleep Apnea clarification, basketballs BAD!, sucks to be a Guard/Reserveists, increased usage of ED medication is to be expected based on the population being served.

\lurked for years
\\Boobies. EVAR!
\\\Slashies!
\\\\Am I doin' it right?
 
2013-01-15 08:56:38 AM  
Its plain to see that many in this thread have never lived a day of their lives under any significant stress whatsoever. Congratulations.
 
2013-01-15 09:01:39 AM  

Goodluckfox: \lurked for years
\\Boobies. EVAR!
\\\Slashies!
\\\\Am I doin' it right?


Yes. Yes you are. Bravo, sir. Bravo.
 
2013-01-15 09:03:25 AM  
As a Vet I have used the VA Hospital in the past for a service connected disability, but I felt guilty doing it as I served from 91 to 99 and didn't get deployed. The men/women who served in combat in my mind have far more priority. The only prescription I have received to date from the VA was Chantix to quit smoking.

Those arguing about pay/benefits for Active Duty? Yeah see I'm on the fence there. I'm a civil servant GS-6 rank, and I can tell you that even with a locality pay adjustment that I make less than an E-2. How? Living Quarters, Food, and Medical. Those three things kick my ass since I live in a military town, and costs are inflated beyond reason. If a lower enlisted is constantly broke it is because they are irresponsible with how they spend their money (which I really think they need to start teaching fiscal responsibility as part of the basic training curriculum).

/2 cents
 
2013-01-15 09:06:46 AM  
Oh and, Goodluckfox, enjoy your 6 months of TF. This site needs more like you and less of the trolls that are so rampant these days.
 
2013-01-15 09:06:54 AM  

Steve Zodiac: By many current conservatives I am probably considered a liberal, but in my opinion if a vet needs/wants Viagra, medical treatment, job training, counseling, temporary housing or an education then I think they have damn well earned it. Look at the headline about military suicides and you realize that we have put a lot of physical, emotional and financial pressure on our vets and their families. I don't support a blank check for anyone but US veterans are not getting anything near what we owe them.


As a veteran (not using any VA services) I think part of the problem is the VA is taking care of too many non-service connected issues. No organization has unlimited resources .You could triple VA funding tomorrow and next week they wil be saying they need more funding (which hold true of most government agencies).

What many people don't know is that VA also provides health services for non-service connected illnesses and injuries for veterans. Call me hard hearted by I think that is practice that if not stopped should be grossly scaled back. Those services should only be provided after every veteran with a service connected problem is taken care of. Why should a vet wounded in combat be waiting in line behind a vet who is obese and developed heart problems after he/she left te service? Why should the tax payers be on the hook at all?

We veterans with other resources and non-service connected problems should step aside to enable those of us who need and deserve (yes I said it) better access to those services.
 
2013-01-15 09:08:47 AM  

Johnny Swank: Get Congress to actually declare a war, then get back to me about veteran's needs in "wartime." They get enough handouts as it is. It's a volunteer army, and any idiots that volunteered knowing full well that their asses were getting sent to a pointless nation-building exercise get no sympathy from me.


Motherfarker, are those fries done yet? Get on it man!
 
2013-01-15 09:11:30 AM  
Its plain to see that many in this thread have never lived a day of their lives under any significant stress whatsoever. Congratulations.

More cult of the "in the military = stress, all others = playing xbox" bullshiat.
 
2013-01-15 09:11:41 AM  

Canata: As a Vet I have used the VA Hospital in the past for a service connected disability, but I felt guilty doing it as I served from 91 to 99 and didn't get deployed. The men/women who served in combat in my mind have far more priority. The only prescription I have received to date from the VA was Chantix to quit smoking.

Those arguing about pay/benefits for Active Duty? Yeah see I'm on the fence there. I'm a civil servant GS-6 rank, and I can tell you that even with a locality pay adjustment that I make less than an E-2. How? Living Quarters, Food, and Medical. Those three things kick my ass since I live in a military town, and costs are inflated beyond reason. If a lower enlisted is constantly broke it is because they are irresponsible with how they spend their money (which I really think they need to start teaching fiscal responsibility as part of the basic training curriculum).

/2 cents


Another vet here - I agree completely with this. There were so many airmen using their whole paychecks buying Bang and Olufsen stereos and the latest sports cars that if they hadn't had a meal card issued they wouldn't have been eating. I saved all my money for booze.
 
2013-01-15 09:14:45 AM  

daveUSMC: Anyway, my main point, prior to being successfully baited by Poo_Fight, is that you cannot say that the entire military is comprised of nothing but underpaid and unappreciated heroes fightin' fer freedom all the time.

There are many who skate out of deployments; who are generally turds; who make up the LCpl Motaris (puppy thrower) of the Corps.

Also, the pay is very good for a very large cross-section of the military. Starting at about E-5 with 6 years time in service, you're in the range of solidly middle class. And officers starting out as a boot Lt are already in that echelon. I am very blessed and fortunate to be compensated the way I am (I'm no rich man, especially with the ol' ball and chain), but I have never once been in financial trouble in my adult post-college life thanks to the military and its great benefits. And I'll end up either getting a free MBA or if I stay in long enough, pass on a free undergraduate degree to my kid in 20 years or so.

The health care is great too, relatively speaking. Unless you're a very junior enlisted serviceman, there is no reason to gripe about the pay and bennies, is my only point - which was tangentially related to boner pills.


I'm a real life, no shiat, current active duty Air Force type, about to leave the military for greener pastures in the civilian sector.

The benefits of being in the military are incredibly generous, they PAY YOU to get an education, learn a trade, etc.  It's not that the civilian jobs aren't there, it's that Private First Class Grunty McDumbass can't get a civilian job as a rocket scientist if all he was trained to do by the military is shoot rifles, throw grenades, and fill sandbags.

/Would never ask for boner pills from the VA
//Submitting my VA claim soon for service related injuries
///getting a kick, etc.
 
2013-01-15 09:15:24 AM  

ladyfortuna: Earguy: Subby does not understand how veterans' medical benefits, and varying levels of eligibility, work.

This. There are even varying levels of being a veteran, apparently, since I've been told I'm not one basically because I never got deployed while in the Reserves. Yet some organizations don't mind that.


You must have gone to a VFW post. Hell, even the American Legion has gotten real assholish in the past 15 years.
 
2013-01-15 09:15:25 AM  

Madbassist1: Oh and, Goodluckfox, enjoy your 6 months of TF. This site needs more like you and less of the trolls that are so rampant these days.


Why thank you! I tried to figure out how to send a private thank you, but I must be missing something... is there no Private Message system on Fark? I have no idea what to DO with a Total Fark membership, I waste too much time as it is as a "liter" WITHOUT even more headlines and discussions to distract me.

I hope my post (a) helps clear up some confusion and (b) doesn't get me fired. :) Enforcement of the "Social Media Policy" can be... arbitrary at times. :)
 
2013-01-15 09:28:51 AM  

Goodluckfox: Madbassist1: Oh and, Goodluckfox, enjoy your 6 months of TF. This site needs more like you and less of the trolls that are so rampant these days.

Why thank you! I tried to figure out how to send a private thank you, but I must be missing something... is there no Private Message system on Fark? I have no idea what to DO with a Total Fark membership, I waste too much time as it is as a "liter" WITHOUT even more headlines and discussions to distract me.

I hope my post (a) helps clear up some confusion and (b) doesn't get me fired. :) Enforcement of the "Social Media Policy" can be... arbitrary at times. :)


Well if your profile is accurate, change it. As far as what to DO with a TF membership? Meh not much. there's TF discussion where you can interact with self-important douchebags whos tendancy to relentlessly discuss the mundane make Jerry Seinfeld look like Aristotle. You can also see both greened and redlit links before they ever get to the main page to practice trolling and...meh and thats about it, I guess. There's instruction pages and you can email people who can tell you more about it. If you keep it for a year you used to be able to get an ultrafark email address which I use to tell me when I've been given timeouts.

The only thing its really good for is beer money for Drew and the really neato looking total fark thingies by your name.
 
2013-01-15 09:30:04 AM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: Steve Zodiac: By many current conservatives I am probably considered a liberal, but in my opinion if a vet needs/wants Viagra, medical treatment, job training, counseling, temporary housing or an education then I think they have damn well earned it. Look at the headline about military suicides and you realize that we have put a lot of physical, emotional and financial pressure on our vets and their families. I don't support a blank check for anyone but US veterans are not getting anything near what we owe them.

Bullshiat.

Between

A basic salary
educational benefits
job retraining benefits
health benefits
retirement benefits
mortgage benefits
tax benefits
travel benefits
housing benefits
job preference benefits
and thousands of others, the total compensation for the lowest grunt in the armed forces is now over $100,000/year equivalent.

US soliders are EXCEPTIONALLY well compensated, and it sounds to me that a blank check is EXACTLY what you are supporting.

unfortunately, showing that the myth of the "poor veteran" is an emperor without clothes is political suicide, so, we just pile on benefit after benefit after benefit because if you are agains them you Hate America and are Worse Than Hitler.

Sorry, NO. Enough is enough.


I know you can't, but I'll ask anyway, can you back up any of that bullshiat? Because in my 20 years in the military I never made anywhere near that, even adding in all the benefits. Before I got out I attended a five day transition seminar, one of the things we did was add up all our pay and benefits to give us an accurate account of what we where making, mine came out to just under 50k a year. That's after 20 years of service.

I'll just run down a few of the items you mentioned.

Education: you can get the GI bill, which you pay for. Granted the return is greater than what you put in, but it's not 100% free.

Job retraining: the VA offers job retraining to some vets with disabilities that prevent them from doing the type of work they did in the military or what they did prior to enlisting. Any US citizen can get these same benefits through SSI disability or other free programs.

Mortgage: you can get a VA home loan (once in your lifetime under normal circumstances) it's no better or cheaper than a standard home loan though.

Taxes: a portion of your pay is nontaxable and if you serve in some overseas locations your base pay is nontaxable for the period you're there. This is nothing specific to the military, it just normal US tax law that applies to everyone.

Travel: other than some airlines giving military discounts, I'm not aware of any other travel benefits. Those discounts typically apply to full fare tickets only, if you got any other discount on the price the military discount cant be applied. There's also cheap travel on military aircraft, if you think flying on a cargo plane in a jump seat is really a benefit then whatever.

Housing: you either live in the dormitory, military housing or you get a housing allowance. That's part of your pay so it's really not anything extra.

Job preference: vets get a slight (emphasis on slight) hiring preference for government jobs. It wont guarantee you the job but every little bit helps I guess.

Again, I know it will be complete bullshiat, but just for laughs I'd love to see your source for that 100k a year info.
 
2013-01-15 09:30:50 AM  

daveUSMC: log_jammin: hbk72777: No, don't give someone who has earned it anything, keep giving the whores free birth control though

who do you think are farking the whores?

And marrying, and granting General Powers of Attorney to, and divorcing. The circle of life.


You got farked by that too?
 
2013-01-15 09:38:28 AM  

FTDA: daveUSMC: log_jammin: hbk72777: No, don't give someone who has earned it anything, keep giving the whores free birth control though

who do you think are farking the whores?

And marrying, and granting General Powers of Attorney to, and divorcing. The circle of life.

You got farked by that too?


Used to tell my guys no general powers of attorney, special powers of attorney only. Sadly some did not listen. I also told them to never marry, use a condom , etc. but many did not listen to that either.
 
2013-01-15 09:44:44 AM  

sexorcisst: Private, that is NOT the correct way to salute a superior officer.


I call shenanigans. When saluting with a weapon is it not still:

Barrel pointed up.
Butt stock pointed down
Magazine facing out
Weapon centered on the upper torso
Firm two hand grip

I think they got it right.
 
2013-01-15 09:46:00 AM  

ReapTheChaos:

I know you can't, but I'll ask anyway, can you back up any of that bullshiat? Because in my 20 years in the military I never made anywhere near that, even adding in all the benefits. Before I got out I attended a five day transition seminar, one of the things we did was add up all our pay and benefits to give us an accurate account of what we where making, mine came out to just under 50k a year. That's after 20 years of service.

I'll just run down a few of the items you mentioned.

Education: you can get the GI bill, which you pay for. Granted the return is greater than what you put in, but it's not 100% free.

Job retraining: the VA offers job retraining to some vets with disabilities that prevent them from doing the ...


Ok I'm in and if you have been in 20 years and you make 50k a year you must be only an E3. Base pay for an E6 (20 years you better be over E6) is $43,812 and that's not including BAH which would add atleast $12k to that number, BAS which would add atleast $4k to that number. So those 2 entitlements alone will bring your base pay to atleast $60k a year. I would assume you are atleast E7 and that would make your base alone 52k a year.

Want to know how you can get rid of a ton of money from the military budget? Get rid of BAH for anyone E6 and above and all officers. I'm sorry but the government should not be paying your mortgage or rent. If I can make due on less than your rank's pay and my job doesn't pay for my house then you can also.
 
2013-01-15 09:50:04 AM  

FTDA: daveUSMC: log_jammin: hbk72777: No, don't give someone who has earned it anything, keep giving the whores free birth control though

who do you think are farking the whores?

And marrying, and granting General Powers of Attorney to, and divorcing. The circle of life.

You got farked by that too?


Ha ha no sir! I got a General POA and hid that shiat with my parents in case of an all out emergency. Gave her a special POA to do only the necessary stuff. I trust her, I just can't ignore the millions and millions of stories our SJA told us about getting absolutely butt-farked by General POAs.
 
2013-01-15 09:51:20 AM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: Steve Zodiac: By many current conservatives I am probably considered a liberal, but in my opinion if a vet needs/wants Viagra, medical treatment, job training, counseling, temporary housing or an education then I think they have damn well earned it. Look at the headline about military suicides and you realize that we have put a lot of physical, emotional and financial pressure on our vets and their families. I don't support a blank check for anyone but US veterans are not getting anything near what we owe them.

Bullshiat.

Between

A basic salary
educational benefits
job retraining benefits
health benefits
retirement benefits
mortgage benefits
tax benefits
travel benefits
housing benefits
job preference benefits
and thousands of others, the total compensation for the lowest grunt in the armed forces is now over $100,000/year equivalent.

US soliders are EXCEPTIONALLY well compensated, and it sounds to me that a blank check is EXACTLY what you are supporting.

unfortunately, showing that the myth of the "poor veteran" is an emperor without clothes is political suicide, so, we just pile on benefit after benefit after benefit because if you are agains them you Hate America and are Worse Than Hitler.

Sorry, NO. Enough is enough.


I just updated my favorite status of you from, "Neo Euro-trash self loathing American," to, "Neo Euro-trash self loathing American/Anti Military." Congratulations on hitting a new low.

/No offense to anyone actually born and raised in Europe.
//All the trash came to you from other countries/continents.
 
2013-01-15 09:51:29 AM  

TNel: ReapTheChaos:

I know you can't, but I'll ask anyway, can you back up any of that bullshiat? Because in my 20 years in the military I never made anywhere near that, even adding in all the benefits. Before I got out I attended a five day transition seminar, one of the things we did was add up all our pay and benefits to give us an accurate account of what we where making, mine came out to just under 50k a year. That's after 20 years of service.

I'll just run down a few of the items you mentioned.

Education: you can get the GI bill, which you pay for. Granted the return is greater than what you put in, but it's not 100% free.

Job retraining: the VA offers job retraining to some vets with disabilities that prevent them from doing the ...

Ok I'm in and if you have been in 20 years and you make 50k a year you must be only an E3. Base pay for an E6 (20 years you better be over E6) is $43,812 and that's not including BAH which would add atleast $12k to that number, BAS which would add atleast $4k to that number. So those 2 entitlements alone will bring your base pay to atleast $60k a year. I would assume you are atleast E7 and that would make your base alone 52k a year.

Want to know how you can get rid of a ton of money from the military budget? Get rid of BAH for anyone E6 and above and all officers. I'm sorry but the government should not be paying your mortgage or rent. If I can make due on less than your rank's pay and my job doesn't pay for my house then you can also.


Hate to say it, but BAH is a racket. A sweet, sweet racket.
 
2013-01-15 09:55:27 AM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: log_jammin: Bomb Head Mohammed: Bullshiat.

It's cute that you don't know the difference between a veteran and active duty.

it's cute that you don't know the meaning of 'total compensation equivalent.' If i work today at a bookstore and make $5 per hour but that bookstore offers me a gold plated health package for life after I work there a few years, then the value of what I am actually getting is more than $5 per hour, even if I only have $5 x 40 in cash in my pocket at the end of the week.

But, you know, keep throwing up smokescreens and fud to try to draw attention from the basic fact that the total compensation equivalent that US military members receive is incredibly generous compared to any other military or time in history. wrap yourself in the flag and start accusing me of being an al quaeda sympathizer of seecret mooslim while you're at it.


Ok, I've figured this guy is a troll, but what the heck. I can't resist.

Military folks whether they serve in a war zone or not most certainly ARE under appreciated and misunderstood by most of the public at large. No other profession demands as much as the military and YES, they are all vastly under compensated for what the do and put up with.

Stationed in Omaha, NE. Comfortable mid-western city. Cushy military posting, right? No. Part of an airborne combat crew. Subject to regular (usually monthly) 2 AM recall roster activations. Phone rings, take your packed bag, throw on a flight suit, report to work, mission pre-brief, board aircraft, deploy to Tim Buck Three for three weeks of combat missions.

Stationed in Korea. Cool, I'm living overseas! Try again. Subject to twice monthly 3 to 4 day full on Chemical Warfare exercises that require you to carry your Chem Warfare gear with you at all times. Why? Because a North Korean plane on afterburners can be over your base with only a few minutes notice, oh and the North Koreans (aka Best Korea) are expected to actually use chemical weapons if they ever invade the south. Oh, I forgot. This was a one year tour without the wife and kids, living in a dorm room with another man, on a an enlisted persons budget maintaining two households, oh and because you're married and receiving BAS, you're not allowed to eat in the cheap chow hall without paying an outrageous surcharge that makes eating there the equivalent of going out to a restaurant.

And we got to do all of this for the princely salary for an E-7 with 20 years banking $27K on your W-2 (1997). Yeah. They are over compensated.

No. For whatever meager entitlements are made available to military folks that the trolls like this idiot insist are undeserved, the premiums for those entitlements were paid in full many times over. In advance.

You are most decidedly wrong.
 
2013-01-15 09:55:57 AM  

Earguy: Subby does not understand how veterans' medical benefits, and varying levels of eligibility, work.


Came to post this, etc. If the Viagra is prescribed for legit dysfunction, then what's the big deal?

As a vet who deals with the VA on a regular basis, I think it's pretty unlikely that some vet would be able to convince a VA doc to prescribed something they don't really need. Even more-so now that the VA is actively trying to cut costs.
 
2013-01-15 10:03:33 AM  

TNel: ReapTheChaos:

I know you can't, but I'll ask anyway, can you back up any of that bullshiat? Because in my 20 years in the military I never made anywhere near that, even adding in all the benefits. Before I got out I attended a five day transition seminar, one of the things we did was add up all our pay and benefits to give us an accurate account of what we where making, mine came out to just under 50k a year. That's after 20 years of service.

I'll just run down a few of the items you mentioned.

Education: you can get the GI bill, which you pay for. Granted the return is greater than what you put in, but it's not 100% free.

Job retraining: the VA offers job retraining to some vets with disabilities that prevent them from doing the ...

Ok I'm in and if you have been in 20 years and you make 50k a year you must be only an E3. Base pay for an E6 (20 years you better be over E6) is $43,812 and that's not including BAH which would add atleast $12k to that number, BAS which would add atleast $4k to that number. So those 2 entitlements alone will bring your base pay to atleast $60k a year. I would assume you are atleast E7 and that would make your base alone 52k a year.

Want to know how you can get rid of a ton of money from the military budget? Get rid of BAH for anyone E6 and above and all officers. I'm sorry but the government should not be paying your mortgage or rent. If I can make due on less than your rank's pay and my job doesn't pay for my house then you can also.


I retired 11 years ago as an E6. At the time my base pay was 2709.60, BAS was 242.61 and BAH was 535.00. That's about 41,845 a year.
 
2013-01-15 10:11:23 AM  

ReapTheChaos:

I retired 11 years ago as an E6. At the time my base pay was 2709.60, BAS was 242.61 and BAH was 535.00. That's about 41,845 a year.


Where were you stationed that BAH was only 535 a month? I live in an area that isn't very big and it's almost $1k a month. My sister was in Hawaii and it was CRAZY high, DC has a crazy high amount of BAH also. Plus it was 11 years ago, I mean your housing costs were way lower than what they are now.

Plus you can't use your situation since that is not what the current pay schedule is right now, as of right now military members make plenty after 10 years of service. The first few years they don't get paid much but EVERYTHING is paid for, housing, food, utilities, so your pay is yours to spend on whatever you want.
 
2013-01-15 10:17:55 AM  

Habitual Cynic: It's been covered above, but Viagra is not free through the VA. unless the "disability" is service related. PTSD might qualify you. And, even then they prescribe only 3 or 4 pills for 30 days, and the 'script says to break 'em in half so you get twice as many bones.

It's a joke. Would you want to drink only half a beer so you theoretically get twice as many beers out of a six pak? Of course not. It takes a whole pill to play hide the salami.

So if you ever come out of your mom's basement and actually get a non-blow-up girlfriend, you may discover that 3 rides a month really isn't enough.

Finally, anyone who wears or has worn a uniform has written a check to the US Govt for up to and including his/her life. It can be cashed at any time. We're all heroes.


Sickening. You're making everyone else look bad a-hole. Entitlement attitude has no place here.
 
2013-01-15 10:18:28 AM  

Onkel Buck: The "Big Green Weenie" doesn't need Viagra, it's always hard and ready to fark you.

/BOHICA


Bend Over Here It Comes Again, and not a drop of KY in sight or even a considerate kiss on the neck first. It's almost like pulling SPORTS on an M16, but with a human being.
 
2013-01-15 10:27:28 AM  

TNel: ReapTheChaos:

I retired 11 years ago as an E6. At the time my base pay was 2709.60, BAS was 242.61 and BAH was 535.00. That's about 41,845 a year.

Where were you stationed that BAH was only 535 a month? I live in an area that isn't very big and it's almost $1k a month. My sister was in Hawaii and it was CRAZY high, DC has a crazy high amount of BAH also. Plus it was 11 years ago, I mean your housing costs were way lower than what they are now.

Plus you can't use your situation since that is not what the current pay schedule is right now, as of right now military members make plenty after 10 years of service. The first few years they don't get paid much but EVERYTHING is paid for, housing, food, utilities, so your pay is yours to spend on whatever you want.


I'd rather not say because I still live there, but it is a fairly small area that has a low cost of living. Looks like the pay has gotten a little better since I retired, but my post was referring to his statement that "the lowest grunt in the armed forces is now over $100,000/year equivalent." which is still bullshiat.
 
2013-01-15 10:33:49 AM  

Poo_Fight: Honestly, if you're greatest concern is the perception that some one else is getting a boner laid on your dime?....


FTFY.
 
2013-01-15 10:39:49 AM  
The Department of Veterans Affairs own statistics show that as of December 29, 2012, the VA had 900,677 pending claims. The percentage of those claims over 125 days old (that's over four months, folks) is 68.9 percent.

San Francisco's The Bay Citizen reported on 12/20/2012 that at the end of the fiscal year in September 2012, retroactive benefits had been paid to the survivors of nearly 19,500 veterans who died waiting.

Some of you are clueless trolls when it comes to tribulations of veterans.
 
2013-01-15 10:40:44 AM  

ReapTheChaos: I'd rather not say because I still live there, but it is a fairly small area that has a low cost of living. Looks like the pay has gotten a little better since I retired, but my post was referring to his statement that "the lowest grunt in the armed forces is now over $100,000/year equivalent." which is still bullshiat.


It's the same way people put a price tag on welfare by putting a value on everything. TriCare has a cost and since some people pay $1k a month for healthcare so that is now added to their salary. All new soldiers/airmen get free food, 4 meals a day so if you want to be nitpicky (like he's probably doing) that's about $40 a day in food so that's $15k a year. I mean it's a BS argument but it does have some merit.

E1 is $18k a year, very little BAH so let's assume $6k a year, $4k bas, $15k for free food (again this is what I assume he means stuff like this), $12k a year healthcare and that doesn't add to 100, 55k equivalent to a "normal" person. There are other benefits but those are usually the highest next to the GI-Bill that you do pay into.
 
2013-01-15 11:16:36 AM  

bangmaid: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 412x232]
wishes her husband was eligible for Viagra


She cured my impotence.
 
2013-01-15 11:47:16 AM  

MFAWG: Kimothy: Steve Zodiac: By many current conservatives I am probably considered a liberal, but in my opinion if a vet needs/wants Viagra, medical treatment, job training, counseling, temporary housing or an education then I think they have damn well earned it. Look at the headline about military suicides and you realize that we have put a lot of physical, emotional and financial pressure on our vets and their families. I don't support a blank check for anyone but US veterans are not getting anything near what we owe them.

Are you talking about war veterans or all veterans? Because I can tell you, my cousin has been sitting on his ass stateside, never in any danger, but will take any upgrade/free drink/freebie offered to him. He says if people are stupid enough not to question whether he's a combat vet, then he has every right to take advantage of their generosity. He once got applause walking through an airport, because he was in uniform, then got upgraded on his flight. Does he deserve all those things because he's simply in the military?

Step up, or step out and STFU.

In other words: Yes.


So you can't question the military unless you're part of it? I'm sorry, but I think we can tell that you slept through whatever history classes you were forced to take at some point.

/I'd reccomend a few remedial classes in the interim. A few hours spent studying propaganda, too.
 
2013-01-15 11:51:23 AM  

PsiChick: /I'd reccomend a few remedial classes in the interim. A few hours spent studying propaganda, too.


LOL this is why I love FARK. imply the man is an idiot in need of remedial education, recommend him for remedial classes to improve his intelligence...then misspell 'recommend'. farking great stuff!!
 
2013-01-15 12:14:50 PM  

Madbassist1: PsiChick: /I'd reccomend a few remedial classes in the interim. A few hours spent studying propaganda, too.

LOL this is why I love FARK. imply the man is an idiot in need of remedial education, recommend him for remedial classes to improve his intelligence...then misspell 'recommend'. farking great stuff!!


Yeah, unfortunately I couldn't get Chrome's spellchecker to give me the correct spelling. Pity, apparently it's just completely impossible for anyone to recognize the greater point about the historic problems arising from hero-worship of the military without question without the proper spelling of 'recommend'...
 
2013-01-15 12:26:12 PM  
I can't complain about the pay and benefits. I'm a E-5 and have been in almost 6 years, got an enlistment bonus, got very valuable training on operating a nuclear power plant right down to the subatomic level, got tax free pay while in Fifth Fleet, literally been around the world, visited foreign countries I'd never otherwise had the opportunity to visit, have free healthcare, 30 days of paid vacation a year, housing and food allowance, and got a tax-free reenlistment bonus. True, the pay sucks just starting out but if you're smart with your money, there's no reason you can't be financially solid after a year or two in. Then again, there are certainly the young, dumb ones that buy a car at 30% APR, or knock up and marry a local.

Do I consider myself a hero? No, not at all. Unless standing watch and performing maintenance is considered heroic, I've done nothing heroic. I can't imagine a situation where I'd have to duck enemy fire or encounter an IED. I'm afraid of the unlikely opportuninty of a steam line rupture, a fall down a ladder, or electric shock. I've nothing but respect for the soldiers and Marines that actively go into harm's way. The worst I can say I've had was a partially torn MCL while playing football in power school at a command function.
 
2013-01-15 12:34:50 PM  

PsiChick: Madbassist1: PsiChick: /I'd reccomend a few remedial classes in the interim. A few hours spent studying propaganda, too.

LOL this is why I love FARK. imply the man is an idiot in need of remedial education, recommend him for remedial classes to improve his intelligence...then misspell 'recommend'. farking great stuff!!

Yeah, unfortunately I couldn't get Chrome's spellchecker to give me the correct spelling. Pity, apparently it's just completely impossible for anyone to recognize the greater point about the historic problems arising from hero-worship of the military without question without the proper spelling of 'recommend'...


All snark aside, lady, if you don't know how to farking spell, don't go ragging on other people's lack of knowledge.
 
2013-01-15 12:44:15 PM  

Madbassist1: PsiChick: Madbassist1: PsiChick: /I'd reccomend a few remedial classes in the interim. A few hours spent studying propaganda, too.

LOL this is why I love FARK. imply the man is an idiot in need of remedial education, recommend him for remedial classes to improve his intelligence...then misspell 'recommend'. farking great stuff!!

Yeah, unfortunately I couldn't get Chrome's spellchecker to give me the correct spelling. Pity, apparently it's just completely impossible for anyone to recognize the greater point about the historic problems arising from hero-worship of the military without question without the proper spelling of 'recommend'...

All snark aside, lady, if you don't know how to farking spell, don't go ragging on other people's lack of knowledge.


As opposed to you, who couldn't manage to use capital letters properly in your post,much less tell the difference between an outright statement and an implication? I hesitate to even mention the fact that you apparently think a  one-off spelling error is the same sort of ignorance as not knowing the conditions that leads to  outright police states historically...
 
2013-01-15 12:46:46 PM  

Habitual Cynic: It's been covered above, but Viagra is not free through the VA. unless the "disability" is service related. PTSD might qualify you. And, even then they prescribe only 3 or 4 pills for 30 days, and the 'script says to break 'em in half so you get twice as many bones.

It's a joke. Would you want to drink only half a beer so you theoretically get twice as many beers out of a six pak? Of course not. It takes a whole pill to play hide the salami.

So if you ever come out of your mom's basement and actually get a non-blow-up girlfriend, you may discover that 3 rides a month really isn't enough.

Finally, anyone who wears or has worn a uniform has written a check to the US Govt for up to and including his/her life. It can be cashed at any time. We're all heroes.


it's two pills of Vardenifil and yes you have to break them in half. The VA will compensate erectile dysfunction from a service connected injury with 4 boners a month (split in half).

/what is everyone crying about..sheesh
 
2013-01-15 12:55:53 PM  

PsiChick: Madbassist1: PsiChick: Madbassist1: PsiChick: /I'd reccomend a few remedial classes in the interim. A few hours spent studying propaganda, too.

LOL this is why I love FARK. imply the man is an idiot in need of remedial education, recommend him for remedial classes to improve his intelligence...then misspell 'recommend'. farking great stuff!!

Yeah, unfortunately I couldn't get Chrome's spellchecker to give me the correct spelling. Pity, apparently it's just completely impossible for anyone to recognize the greater point about the historic problems arising from hero-worship of the military without question without the proper spelling of 'recommend'...

All snark aside, lady, if you don't know how to farking spell, don't go ragging on other people's lack of knowledge.

As opposed to you, who couldn't manage to use capital letters properly in your post,much less tell the difference between an outright statement and an implication? I hesitate to even mention the fact that you apparently think a  one-off spelling error is the same sort of ignorance as not knowing the conditions that leads to  outright police states historically...


LOL both of those are a stretch, honey. The first because both LOL and FARK are commonly written in all caps, and the second because no, you didn't say he was an idiot...you implied it by suggesting he needed remedial classes.

Having said that, I pretty much agree with your point. You can question the military's policies without 'hating the troops' as it were, and soldiers who do not recognize that are wrong headed, in my opinion.

I was a little rougher with you than I intended. Peace.
 
2013-01-15 01:21:43 PM  

MFAWG: Kimothy

Step up, or step out and STFU.

In other words: Yes.


Would you feel the same way if I told you my cousin was in the Coast Guard and Americans are just too stupid to recognize the uniform. They see a uniform and make ALL kinds of assumptions.
 
2013-01-15 02:06:10 PM  

Goodluckfox: /snip/The CPAP makesit worth 50 percent.

Yes, we, I work for the VA granting or denying exactly these sorts of claims for a few years now, really getting a kick, etc.



Thanks for the info. Wow 50% for the cpap. 0_o

I'm probably going to be getting one soon. And I'd say it as more than a little to do with my chemical exposure/burns in uniform that gave me constant sinus issues. But while I will probably seek SC for my sinus as they have started to affect work rather a lot of late I would never think of seeking CS for the apnea (and still won't)

All I wanted to do is A) point out that evaluations are done as to who gets apnea service connected, the common % (although 0% was way more common) and show that people who get sleep apnea 'just' because of weight issues do get turned down.


As an aside, I wouldn't want your job but thanks for doing it.
 
2013-01-15 02:09:16 PM  
t0t0... I don't know what I did that warranted the gift but thanks!
 
2013-01-15 04:27:55 PM  

Onkel Buck: Earguy: ladyfortuna: Earguy: Subby does not understand how veterans' medical benefits, and varying levels of eligibility, work.

This. There are even varying levels of being a veteran, apparently, since I've been told I'm not one basically because I never got deployed while in the Reserves. Yet some organizations don't mind that.

Yeah, I joined the Reserves after the first Gulf war, and was honorably discharged before the  second.  I am not considered a veteran, and I have no DD-214.


How did you not get a DD214? sounds like someone in the head shed was too lazy to do paperwork, which isnt surprising.


Nope.  I was a Reservist.  I did my weekends and two weeks a year.  Never got activated, never went on Active Duty.  I have a certificate of honorable discharge, but it is not a DD214.

Technically, my two weeks a year is called Active Duty, but it doesn't count.  However, if I had been injured training during my two weeks, then I would have been "activated" which would have qualified me for veterans benefits, service-connection ratings, and medical care.

But, no, I am not considered a veteran, and cannot claim that I am one on job applications.  However, I do list my reserve duty as previous employment.  If they extend veterans preference to me, that is their prerogative.

There is a bill languishing in committee that would award veterans status to Reservists with 20 years in, but I still wouldn't qualify.
 
2013-01-15 04:30:51 PM  
just because sense may be needed - PTSD meds and other meds like pain killers for those with combat injuries... oh and meds to help with TBI symptoms cause ED. Because of this the docs at the VA offer Viagra in order to mitigate the inevitable relationship problems that occur. Wives don't seem to grasp very well that men don't talk about that stuff and would prefer to avoid sexual interactions which makes the women think men don't find them attractive.

Just saying... and no, I've never had problems or Viagra
 
2013-01-15 04:33:44 PM  

Goodluckfox: Last, and to address the headline: First, I DNRTFA. Second, there are a hell-smear of Vietnam Veterans out there. They're part of the Baby Boom generation, remember? And diabetes is a presumptive condition related to Agent Orange. That is, we PRESUME that diabetes was caused by their exposure to Agent Orange and not 30 years of sucking down cheeseburgers since they got out of service decades ago. A common complication of diabetes is... erectile dysfunction.So, it is only natural that, as these guys get older and their diabetes progresses that they develop erectile dysfunction, and we treat the complications of their service connected condition.


Quote edited for brevity, but thanks for what you brought to the thread.

I too work the VA for disability claims (hearing loss and tinnitus, one of the most common service-connected disabilities), and as I review folders I also see a lot of basketball injuries.  Funny, huh?
 
2013-01-15 07:53:00 PM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: Steve Zodiac: By many current conservatives I am probably considered a liberal, but in my opinion if a vet needs/wants Viagra, medical treatment, job training, counseling, temporary housing or an education then I think they have damn well earned it. Look at the headline about military suicides and you realize that we have put a lot of physical, emotional and financial pressure on our vets and their families. I don't support a blank check for anyone but US veterans are not getting anything near what we owe them.

Bullshiat.

Between

A basic salary
educational benefits
job retraining benefits
health benefits
retirement benefits
mortgage benefits
tax benefits
travel benefits
housing benefits
job preference benefits
and thousands of others, the total compensation for the lowest grunt in the armed forces is now over $100,000/year equivalent.

US soliders are EXCEPTIONALLY well compensated, and it sounds to me that a blank check is EXACTLY what you are supporting.

unfortunately, showing that the myth of the "poor veteran" is an emperor without clothes is political suicide, so, we just pile on benefit after benefit after benefit because if you are agains them you Hate America and are Worse Than Hitler.

Sorry, NO. Enough is enough.


Agree.
 
2013-01-16 09:20:49 AM  
this is relevant to my interests.
well, not the viagra..not yet anyway.

I'll get money and benefits until I die or the government runs outta your cash.
but, since the politicians ya'all vote into office
are perfectly happy to have americans die overseas
I think it's oky to use the rules and rape them for everything that they can give

I DO think too many underserving people get mad bennies
I know a tool who is a 100%er because he heard bombs going off
 
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