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2013-01-14 08:42:33 PM
More like duhstrong.
 
2013-01-14 08:43:11 PM

Solid State Vittles: Oprah probably forced him to eat some more Crow.


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2013-01-14 08:43:26 PM

Killer Cars: GAT_00: So what are all those people who claimed he was being persecuted for doing nothing wrong going to be saying?

"HE STILL RAISED MILLIONS FOR CANCER!!!!11one"

I mean, most Lance freaks I saw were pretty quick to accept he doped on some level (or at least admit to themselves there was a strong possibility), but that's been their fallback position.


So has Komen.  That doesn't make them good.
 
2013-01-14 08:43:48 PM

miss diminutive: Coco LaFemme: So he's basically admitting to shiat we already know?  After Jodie Foster basically told everyone she's a lesbian last night, which I don't think anyone questioned, who's going to admit to blatantly obvious facts next?

Will Tom Cruise finally jump on Oprah's couch in excitement over how gay he is?


Wayne LaPierre will reveal how small his phallus is?
 
2013-01-14 08:43:50 PM
Boy, Lance really dropped the ball this time. Now I can stop holding my breath waiting for the other ball to drop. Admitting what he did really took some brass ball. The constant lying must have drove him f*cking nut.
 
2013-01-14 08:44:06 PM
So when are they going to submit the "runner-up" in these races to this level of scrutiny? I'd be very surprised if the top 20 in a given race didn't dope at some point.
 
2013-01-14 08:44:41 PM
I care. We need to change the way our society views sports, thereby obviating the motivations athletes have for using PEDs.
 
2013-01-14 08:44:45 PM

aerojockey: CokeBear: So? Its not like they can take away his moon landing.

Wrong Armstrong.  The guy who landed on the moon was Louis.


So Neil sang "What a Wonderful World" before winning the Tour de France? I knew that guy was on something.
 
2013-01-14 08:45:17 PM

miss diminutive: Coco LaFemme: So he's basically admitting to shiat we already know?  After Jodie Foster basically told everyone she's a lesbian last night, which I don't think anyone questioned, who's going to admit to blatantly obvious facts next?

Will Tom Cruise finally jump on Oprah's couch in excitement over how gay he is?


I never thought Tom Cruise was gay.  John Travolta?  Gayer than Liza Minnelli performing in the Castro district with the ghost of Liberace on piano and Freddy Mercury doing backing vocals.
 
2013-01-14 08:45:24 PM

MemeSlave: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x303]

Of course, everyone else did it too, and he still won, so that's something.


The question is whether we define cheating as "breaking the rules" or "having an unfair advantage over your competitors." Lance, and every other contending cyclist, was unquestionably guilty of the former. But, because the cheating was SO widespread and systemic, it's hard to argue that any cyclist was guilty of the latter, since they were all "cheating" in the exact same way.
 
2013-01-14 08:45:44 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: Boy, Lance really dropped the ball this time. Now I can stop holding my breath waiting for the other ball to drop. Admitting what he did really took some brass ball. The constant lying must have drove him f*cking nut.


I know you had a ball typing that, but you came across one nut short of a fruitcake.
 
2013-01-14 08:46:16 PM
Stupid Roadies. . . Ned Overend and Hans Rey are my cycling heroes!
 
2013-01-14 08:46:30 PM
Is it weird that I'm actually angrier at him for coming clean than for doping in the first place?

Don't get me wrong, I found the doping allegations very easy to believe (why should he be the only halfway decent cyclist who wasn't doping?) and I really could not farking care less about Lance Armstrong, whether he's clean or dirty. I respect his ability to beat cancer and bang Sheryl Crow, but that's unrelated to my non-interest in his cycling career.

But given that he was the one super-famous cyclist of his era, and given that he very very very strenuously denied the allegations, I kind of feel like he owes it to the world to keep on lying. It doesn't matter if anyone believes you. But when you FINALLY come clean, after all that fuss and hullabaloo, it robs the credibility of some future scumbag who I actually want to believe is innocent of whatever he's charged with.
 
2013-01-14 08:48:03 PM
Barry Bonds cheated with a mechanical device as well.
 
2013-01-14 08:49:24 PM

Xexi: Does anyone know the exact regime of performancing enhancing boosters he was on?

What was he on?!? He was on his BIKE, six hours a day!

/heard it in a commercial so I know it's true

 
2013-01-14 08:49:59 PM

semiotix: Is it weird that I'm actually angrier at him for coming clean than for doping in the first place?


Depends...if he's asking for forgiveness, f*ck him. If, knowing his asshole-ish ways, he's just coming off like "yeah, fine I doped..whatever", I can sort of respect that although that would just be example 4,957 of him being a complete asshole.
 
2013-01-14 08:50:15 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: What's bullshiat is that the effect was even more noticeable in Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire and people didn't call them out nearly as much as they did Bonds


This is because Sosa and McGwire aren't assholes, so the press cut them some slack.
 
2013-01-14 08:50:48 PM

gymin26minutes: Xexi: Does anyone know the exact regime of performancing enhancing boosters he was on?

What was he on?!? He was on his BIKE, six hours a day!

/heard it in a commercial so I know it's true


If all it took was drugs to win the Tour de France then Ozzy would be the 24 time world record champion.
 
2013-01-14 08:50:53 PM

Shenanigans!: get what you're saying, but when you play in a sport, you agree to the rules of the game. If you refuse to play by the rules, whatever the reason, you're just a lousy sport. Your victories are lies, and you don't deserve to be propped up as a role model. "Everyone else is doing it" is a lame excuse.


I'm not saying that "everybody's doing it" is a valid excuse. I'm saying that if everybody really was doing it, then maybe, objectively, he was still the best at the sport. Or he was the best at doping. So he's pretty good at something, if he never even got caught once.

Other than that, I don't care too much about this.
 
2013-01-14 08:51:07 PM

Supes: The All-Powerful Atheismo: What's bullshiat is that the effect was even more noticeable in Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire and people didn't call them out nearly as much as they did Bonds

This is because Sosa and McGwire aren't assholes, so the press cut them some slack.


Which is bullshiat, even if true.
 
2013-01-14 08:51:58 PM

cryinoutloud: he never even got caught once.


What if he did, but bought off some people to keep it private, same result?
 
2013-01-14 08:52:58 PM

After all this time, after he already got away with it, why the fark would he admit it now? Farking moran, if you're going to cheat, the at least be consistent about it.


xtupload.com

"Admitting he cheated at this point is like the Duke of Wellington admitting on his deathbed that he was going to lose to Napoleon at the Battle of Waterloo and the only reason he won was because he had the Prussian 4th corps to outflank General Lobau at Frichermont thus turning the tide of the whole battle and saving his ass."
 
2013-01-14 08:53:07 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Supes: The All-Powerful Atheismo: What's bullshiat is that the effect was even more noticeable in Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire and people didn't call them out nearly as much as they did Bonds

This is because Sosa and McGwire aren't assholes, so the press cut them some slack.

Which is bullshiat, even if true.


Oh I agree with you, they should all be banned from all baseball involvement forever. But, even if not justified, that's still the reason why Bonds was called out so much more. Likability goes a long way in the court of public opinion.
 
2013-01-14 08:53:31 PM
so NOW can we have a comparison of his doping to everyone else's doping???

Volume
Levels
Quality
Type
Absorption
Body metabolization
Reaction
Cost


Then we can do a ratio to time after the race.
Maybe we'll get everyone's "real" time.
 
2013-01-14 08:53:32 PM

thisispete: Palmer Eldritch: I've seen this question asked in several Lance threads, but I don't know if it ever got answered- does this expose him to legal action from the people he successfully sued for calling him a doper?

He certainly could face perjury charges after testifying in 2005 that he didn't dope.


my understanding is that he could get sued in civil court but the statue of limitations has probably passed for criminal perjury charges
 
2013-01-14 08:53:38 PM

Indubitably: To crow?


I wonder if she knew the truth?
 
2013-01-14 08:54:40 PM
I just realized something: Obvious tag looks just like the News tag, when on dope.
 
2013-01-14 08:55:15 PM

Coco LaFemme: miss diminutive: Coco LaFemme: So he's basically admitting to shiat we already know?  After Jodie Foster basically told everyone she's a lesbian last night, which I don't think anyone questioned, who's going to admit to blatantly obvious facts next?

Will Tom Cruise finally jump on Oprah's couch in excitement over how gay he is?

I never thought Tom Cruise was gay.  John Travolta?  Gayer than Liza Minnelli performing in the Castro district with the ghost of Liberace on piano and Freddy Mercury doing backing vocals.


That's....pretty gay. Well over 3,000 Elton Johns on the gay-o-meter.
 
2013-01-14 08:55:49 PM

Jeng: gymin26minutes: Xexi: Does anyone know the exact regime of performancing enhancing boosters he was on?

What was he on?!? He was on his BIKE, six hours a day!

/heard it in a commercial so I know it's true

If all it took was drugs to win the Tour de France then Ozzy would be the 24 time world record champion.


I actually agree. He was a total bad ass on a bike and destroyed the field (a field which we know know contained more than a few dopers) Those tours had an excitement to them that hasn't been equaled since.
 
2013-01-14 08:56:29 PM
Eventually through a series of even more tragic professional and personal relationship collapses, Lance will find himself sharing support with a group of men with similar problems. This will eventually lead to an unfortunate mishap during a special project when he loses his own life and then becomes his old self again.

His name was Lance Armstrong.

His name was Lance Armstrong.

His name was Lance Armstrong.
 
2013-01-14 08:57:23 PM
Who cares. We all knew cyclists were assholes already.
 
2013-01-14 08:58:36 PM
Welp, somebody farked up the ratings for that show.
 
2013-01-14 09:00:28 PM
Another Tin God, exposed. Sorry to see this.
 
2013-01-14 09:01:01 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Who cares. We all knew cyclists were assholes already.


thank you...
 
2013-01-14 09:01:49 PM
 ♪♪ Shot through the heart
And you're to blame
Lancie you give DOPE a bad name   ♪♪
 
2013-01-14 09:01:59 PM

semiotix: Is it weird that I'm actually angrier at him for coming clean than for doping in the first place?

Don't get me wrong, I found the doping allegations very easy to believe (why should he be the only halfway decent cyclist who wasn't doping?) and I really could not farking care less about Lance Armstrong, whether he's clean or dirty. I respect his ability to beat cancer and bang Sheryl Crow, but that's unrelated to my non-interest in his cycling career.

But given that he was the one super-famous cyclist of his era, and given that he very very very strenuously denied the allegations, I kind of feel like he owes it to the world to keep on lying. It doesn't matter if anyone believes you. But when you FINALLY come clean, after all that fuss and hullabaloo, it robs the credibility of some future scumbag who I actually want to believe is innocent of whatever he's charged with.


If the system weren't rigged to give him an incentive to break the rules and a disincentive to be honest about it...

I wonder how much to blame lawyers are for these stupid anti-doping rules. What I mean is, the way it is now the athletes have to juice to stay competitive, but the sports organization can't be sued by anyone who didn't want to juice because everyone is told up front it's against the rules. If juicing were allowed, however, how long would it be before someone who didn't want to juice sued the organization, claiming their "rights" were somehow violated? Even if the plaintiff voluntarily joined when they knew doping was allowed, the way courts work now I can see a jury siding with them.
 
2013-01-14 09:03:00 PM

moothemagiccow: wait does he know Oprah doesn't have a tv show any more

or is he stuck in 2006 and thinks this matters now


She's going to air this the night of the Super Bowl.
 
2013-01-14 09:05:50 PM
I should have kidnapped Oprah today.
 
2013-01-14 09:06:33 PM

thisispete: He certainly could face perjury charges after testifying in 2005 that he didn't dope.


Statute of limitations is three years on aggrevated perjury.
 
2013-01-14 09:06:46 PM

The Muthaship: Warthog: So he:

1) cheated.
2) covered up that he cheated.
3) lied about cheating.
4) lied about covering up that he cheated.
5) Got caught.
6) Continued to lie.
7) Got caught again.
8) Realized he couldn't lie his way out of it.
9) Got banned and expunged from the record books, so he had nothing left to lose.
10) Decided to admit to everything in a final cash grab.

Do I have that right?  One hell of a ten step program there, Mr. Armstrong.

You left out that he received money from people he sued because they said he cheated when he was cheating, but lied well enough in court to convince the jury that his accusers were lying, and he's keeping the money.


Just like those cases where the rape victim lies about being raped, sues the guy into oblivion and gets him put in jail, and gets to keep the money despite being paid hundreds/thousands or millions.

/Hate those legal systems
 
2013-01-14 09:07:57 PM
The only thing the doping scandal accomplished was bring my attention to something I never knew existed until it was brought up. It also succeeded in making me want to dop, because I wan to have superpowers too. It's not fair.
 
2013-01-14 09:08:14 PM

xevian: Just like those cases where the rape victim lies about being raped, sues the guy into oblivion and gets him put in jail, and gets to keep the money despite being paid hundreds/thousands or millions.


Not doubting it's happened, but I can't think of one where they admitted it.
 
2013-01-14 09:09:31 PM
s1.ibtimes.com

-Was it worth it, Lance?

-Want to compare bank account balances?
 
2013-01-14 09:11:20 PM
Found the link

Here you go

Some juicy nuggets like:
If your proof of Lance doping starts with "I don't buy..... this or that" you should just shut up. You sound dumb. Evidence is cut and dry.

and

I dont understand why if their evidence is so cut and dry, the federal investigation was just dropped.

I thought they saved the B samples for years, shouldnt they be able to test them now and come up with more than, people saying they saw it happen, if a lack of technology was the issue then?

Everyone who says that no way you could get 26 people to all tell the same lie....havent they all already proved they could do exactly that for years?

I find it interesting that theyre making him out to be the guy pulling all the strings, wouldnt he need a chemistry degree or something to have a super advanced untrackable doping system that lets you pass 500 plus tests? He should really market that at walgreens to people who need to pass a drug test at work.
 
2013-01-14 09:12:39 PM
I forgive him and vote for giving him back all the tour wins.
 
2013-01-14 09:13:55 PM
Wow, is this all you have to do to get on Oprah?
 
2013-01-14 09:14:25 PM

Warthog: So he:

1) cheated.
2) covered up that he cheated.
3) lied about cheating.
4) lied about covering up that he cheated.
5) Got caught.
6) Continued to lie.
7) Got caught again.
8) Realized he couldn't lie his way out of it.
9) Got banned and expunged from the record books, so he had nothing left to lose.
10) Decided to admit to everything in a final cash grab.

Do I have that right?  One hell of a ten step program there, Mr. Armstrong.


You forgot one, he critized and destroyed the repretations and careers of everyone who even suggested that he doped.

I hope he plans to apologize to Greg LeMond.
 
2013-01-14 09:14:59 PM

machoprogrammer: Found the link

Here you go

Some juicy nuggets like:
If your proof of Lance doping starts with "I don't buy..... this or that" you should just shut up. You sound dumb. Evidence is cut and dry.

and

I dont understand why if their evidence is so cut and dry, the federal investigation was just dropped.

I thought they saved the B samples for years, shouldnt they be able to test them now and come up with more than, people saying they saw it happen, if a lack of technology was the issue then?

Everyone who says that no way you could get 26 people to all tell the same lie....havent they all already proved they could do exactly that for years?

I find it interesting that theyre making him out to be the guy pulling all the strings, wouldnt he need a chemistry degree or something to have a super advanced untrackable doping system that lets you pass 500 plus tests? He should really market that at walgreens to people who need to pass a drug test at work.


If you guys want to whole in and outs of it all, I suggest finding the Sports 60 Minutes program that aired a few days ago. They led with the Lance Armstrong story. Most likely why he's now making an appearance on Oprah. If anyone had any doubst before, watch the program...
 
2013-01-14 09:16:54 PM
How many people were making sh*tloads of money because of his success? That's what leads to "passed" drug tests.
 
2013-01-14 09:18:19 PM
I don't care that he's a doper, but I do care that he's a liar and a cheat and apparently a bully.

Bad human beings only deserve our mockery and disdain. Lance Armstrong will forever be remembered as a bad human being.
 
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