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2013-01-14 08:23:39 PM
Wait a minute! Who cares about cycling?
 
2013-01-14 08:23:59 PM

Shenanigans!: the_foo: When are they going to realize that no one cares?

When people stop taking the time to post how little they care in online discussion threads about it.


I care about how much I have to see it or here about it, notsomuch the subject matter.
 
2013-01-14 08:24:27 PM

wholedamnshow: Good. No one likes a snitch. It's not like the people that ratted him out were any cleaner than him.

"But HE'S cheating too! Waaaaaaaaaaaaah!


The Sunday Times were doping?

Did the even win any races?

/It's nice Lance still has people to go to bat for him.
//You're doing God's work
 
2013-01-14 08:24:32 PM

velvet_fog: Solid State Vittles: Oprah probably forced him to eat some more Crow.

If the Marion Jones interview serves as precedent, I wouldn't count on it. Oprah is a softball interview, which is why Lance went with her instead of a reputable TV journalist on 60 Minutes, Dateline, 20/20, or the like.


I thought mitter was more angling for this?

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2013-01-14 08:24:41 PM

cryinoutloud: I don't know, I'm kind of in the "well, if everybody doped, then he was still the best" camp.


Nah, cheating obviates any achievement. If two guys are racing and one guy skips 25% of the course and the other skips 50%, you don't award the guy who skipped 50% because he finished faster. You just give everyone a big fat DQ, and if anyone finished legitimately, they're the ones who won.

The sad thing is, there are probably entire decades where the actual winner of the Tour De France doesn't even know they won, because they're buried back in the 30th place or something behind a bunch of cheaters. Hell, they might not even be a professional cyclist.
 
2013-01-14 08:24:55 PM
The only reason he admitted it is because he wants to compete in some triathlons. He cannot compete unless the ban was lifted. This will only happen if he admits. I hope he gets a lot of money, because a ton of organizations and companies will sue him to the stone age.
 
2013-01-14 08:25:07 PM
Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you dope.
 
2013-01-14 08:25:09 PM

Palmer Eldritch: I've seen this question asked in several Lance threads, but I don't know if it ever got answered- does this expose him to legal action from the people he successfully sued for calling him a doper?


He certainly could face perjury charges after testifying in 2005 that he didn't dope.
 
2013-01-14 08:26:51 PM
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Of course, everyone else did it too, and he still won, so that's something.
 
2013-01-14 08:27:08 PM
Moral of the story....cheaters never lose.
 
2013-01-14 08:27:12 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: StormChaser: No way! Next you're going to tell me Barry Bonds is on steroids!!

I'm still farking pissed at that motherfarker. I've been a life-long giants fan, watching since the days of Will Clark. I know Bonds wasn't doping when he first got here. He got bigger and bigger but it was so slow that I didn't see it. In 2001 during his record year they had numerous promotional materials touting his "outstanding training and workout regimen". I believed it.

fark you, Barry. I'm glad you're not going to the hall.


No offense, but there is no way you were paying attention. Same thing with McGwire across the bay. Dudes were literally walking cautionary tales in PED use.
 
2013-01-14 08:27:47 PM
No offense, but there is no way you were paying attention. Same thing with McGwire across the bay. Dudes were literally walking cautionary tales in PED use.
 
2013-01-14 08:28:11 PM

Palmer Eldritch: I've seen this question asked in several Lance threads, but I don't know if it ever got answered- does this expose him to legal action from the people he successfully sued for calling him a doper?


Lots of people and companies have been threatening to sue him. I'm sure some will try. I'd bet on Trek, USPS, Discovery, Landis, and I read something about The Sunday times in London calling for a lawsuit because he sued them for libel a while back and won.

I've seen a lot of livestrong gear for cheap on Craigslist. Nobody, even casual cyclists want shiat to do with him. I got into riding because of the attention he brought to the sport, soon after realized he's a douche and there are plenty of other aspects to cycling than the big names.

If you'll excuse me, I have to stuff both my nuts into some spandex now.
 
2013-01-14 08:29:15 PM
Millions of people are left wondering: where is Oprah's channel?
 
2013-01-14 08:29:19 PM

Zeppelininthesky: The only reason he admitted it is because he wants to compete in some triathlons. He cannot compete unless the ban was lifted. This will only happen if he admits. I hope he gets a lot of money, because a ton of organizations and companies will sue him to the stone age.


This.
 
2013-01-14 08:29:48 PM

MFAWG: The All-Powerful Atheismo: StormChaser: No way! Next you're going to tell me Barry Bonds is on steroids!!

I'm still farking pissed at that motherfarker. I've been a life-long giants fan, watching since the days of Will Clark. I know Bonds wasn't doping when he first got here. He got bigger and bigger but it was so slow that I didn't see it. In 2001 during his record year they had numerous promotional materials touting his "outstanding training and workout regimen". I believed it.

fark you, Barry. I'm glad you're not going to the hall.

No offense, but there is no way you were paying attention. Same thing with McGwire across the bay. Dudes were literally walking cautionary tales in PED use.


Well I was, so eat it. It IS possible to become that big through workout and the right insane diet. Not smart, but it's possible. Anyway my point was that it happened so slowly that I didn't notice.

Additionally, I wasn't able to catch many games on TV for a couple of years.
 
2013-01-14 08:30:29 PM

Olympic Trolling Judge: Oh great. Another cyclist with an axe to grind trying to ruin Lance's career. The man never tested positive! Let him have his wins!

/tee-hee


What is with the /tee-hee? It's a perfectly cromulent point of view.

One can look at the rules in a way that says if I do something in a way that they are not testing for and I pass their tests then I haven't actually broken the rules.

It's a game within a game and a change in the testing is just as much a change in the rules since the goal is to pass the test.

Wait, what does cromulent mean again?
 
2013-01-14 08:30:39 PM

wholedamnshow: Good. No one likes a snitch. It's not like the people that ratted him out were any cleaner than him.

"But HE'S cheating too! Waaaaaaaaaaaaah!


It's like Lonnegan from The Sting: "What was I supposed to do - call him for cheating better than me, in front of the others?"
 
2013-01-14 08:30:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDRzS2qLDhk
 
2013-01-14 08:31:02 PM

ilikeracecars: Millions of people are left wondering: where is Oprah's channel?


Millions are wondering: that fat whore has her own channel?
 
2013-01-14 08:31:05 PM

Warthog: The Muthaship: Warthog: So he:

1) cheated.
2) covered up that he cheated.
3) lied about cheating.
4) lied about covering up that he cheated.
5) Got caught.
6) Continued to lie.
7) Got caught again.
8) Realized he couldn't lie his way out of it.
9) Got banned and expunged from the record books, so he had nothing left to lose.
10) Decided to admit to everything in a final cash grab.

Do I have that right?  One hell of a ten step program there, Mr. Armstrong.

You left out that he received money from people he sued because they said he cheated when he was cheating, but lied well enough in court to convince the jury that his accusers were lying, and he's keeping the money.

Shoot, you're right.   I hereby nominate Lance Armstrong as Biggest Douche in the History of Sports.  Anyone have someone to one-up him?


Michael Jordan, who actually in invited his high school coach to his HoF induction to denigrate that coach for cutting him 30 years ago.
 
2013-01-14 08:31:07 PM
BUT HE NEVER TESTED POSITIVE! THIS IS A WITCH HUNT! CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE! HERESAY!


Anyone got the thread from when ADA brought the charges and the Lance nuthuggers were defending him?
 
2013-01-14 08:31:26 PM

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Shenanigans!: the_foo: When are they going to realize that no one cares?

When people stop taking the time to post how little they care in online discussion threads about it.

I care about how much I have to see it or here about it, notsomuch the subject matter.


If you're tired of seeing things you're tired of seeing, I'm afraid you've come to the wrong place.
 
2013-01-14 08:32:21 PM
Does anyone know the exact regime of performancing enhancing boosters he was on?

/EIP
 
2013-01-14 08:32:37 PM

MFAWG: Michael Jordan, who actually in invited his high school coach to his HoF induction to denigrate that coach for cutting him 30 years ago


That was surreal.

I bet his HS coach left there actually feeling sorry for Jordan.
 
2013-01-14 08:32:40 PM
So he's basically admitting to shiat we already know?  After Jodie Foster basically told everyone she's a lesbian last night, which I don't think anyone questioned, who's going to admit to blatantly obvious facts next?
 
2013-01-14 08:33:03 PM

All_Farked_Up: ilikeracecars: Millions of people are left wondering: where is Oprah's channel?

Millions are wondering: that fat whore has her own channel?


The smart ones are anticipating Lance's new book.
 
2013-01-14 08:33:08 PM

Warthog: So he:

1) cheated.
2) covered up that he cheated.
3) lied about cheating.
4) lied about covering up that he cheated.
5) Got caught.
6) Continued to lie.
7) Got caught again.
8) Realized he couldn't lie his way out of it.
9) Got banned and expunged from the record books, so he had nothing left to lose.
10) Decided to admit to everything in a final cash grab.

Do I have that right?  One hell of a ten step program there, Mr. Armstrong.


He did all that. I will not deny it. He will no longer deny it. His foundation has helped thousands of people. Do good deeds that bring a greater good not outdo a failure of the past? In spite of what the outcome now may be, for years his story has inspired many with cancer to fight. It has given hope to many. Yes he cheated to win at an ultra high level sporting event multiple times. That was wrong. Denying it was also wrong. The level of good his foundation has done should not be forgotten. His fame was based on cheating but he used that fame in the right way. He helped people with it. He helped himself too but he has helped thousands of cancer sufferers and their families. That should not be forgotten. Overall the effect has been a positive one for many many people. To deny that is not right.
 
2013-01-14 08:34:00 PM

StormChaser: No way! Next you're going to tell me Barry Bonds is on steroids!!


GTFO! Barry Bonds, really?


Set sarcasm meters to zero
 
2013-01-14 08:34:03 PM
Hello Mr Armstrong? This is the US Postal Service. Now that you've admitted to doping, we're gonna need to you to give us back those millions of dollars we gave you. Have a nice day.
 
2013-01-14 08:34:05 PM
This would be huge if anyone gave a shiat.
 
2013-01-14 08:34:06 PM
So what are all those people who claimed he was being persecuted for doing nothing wrong going to be saying?
 
2013-01-14 08:34:22 PM

All_Farked_Up: ilikeracecars: Millions of people are left wondering: where is Oprah's channel?

Millions are wondering: that fat whore has her own channel?


Whoa dude, dial it down a notch.
 
2013-01-14 08:34:54 PM
shiatty athlete and it sucks his charity will be harmed by this.

That is all.
 
2013-01-14 08:35:08 PM
horrornews.net

"Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat!"
 
kab
2013-01-14 08:35:33 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Wait a minute! Who cares about cycling?


You do, or you wouldn't be posting here.
 
2013-01-14 08:37:16 PM

cryinoutloud: I don't know, I'm kind of in the "well, if everybody doped, then he was still the best" camp.

I don't care much either way, though. It's sports. Very lucrative sports, but still just a game.


I get what you're saying, but when you play in a sport, you agree to the rules of the game. If you refuse to play by the rules, whatever the reason, you're just a lousy sport. Your victories are lies, and you don't deserve to be propped up as a role model. "Everyone else is doing it" is a lame excuse.
 
2013-01-14 08:37:59 PM

GAT_00: So what are all those people who claimed he was being persecuted for doing nothing wrong going to be saying?


"HE STILL RAISED MILLIONS FOR CANCER!!!!11one"

I mean, most Lance freaks I saw were pretty quick to accept he doped on some level (or at least admit to themselves there was a strong possibility), but that's been their fallback position.
 
2013-01-14 08:38:29 PM
USADA chief executive Travis Tygart labeled the doping regimen allegedly carried out by the U.S. Postal Service team that Armstrong once led, "The most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen."

He got caught. And somehow I think just maaaaaaaaaaybe there are a few doping cyclists out there who haven't been caught yet. Like, the guys who finished 21st and are temporarily retroactively the winners of all those Tours de France because they only tested the top 20, or some such thing.

So, sophisticated and professionalized maybe, but not the most successful.
 
2013-01-14 08:39:09 PM
Meh.
 
2013-01-14 08:39:12 PM
But, but , but, he never tested positive???!!! Where, indeed, are all of those who defended him?

machoprogrammer: Anyone got the thread from when ADA brought the charges and the Lance nuthuggers were defending him?


THIS
 
2013-01-14 08:39:32 PM

thisispete: Palmer Eldritch: I've seen this question asked in several Lance threads, but I don't know if it ever got answered- does this expose him to legal action from the people he successfully sued for calling him a doper?

He certainly could face perjury charges after testifying in 2005 that he didn't dope.


Maybe not.  I'll preface this by saying I'm not admitted to practice in Texas, and that I know fark-all about Texas state law, but three minutes on the Google machine suggests that the statute of limitations in Texas for perjury may be somewhere between 2 and 5 years depending on how they classify the offense.  The testimony he gave was in 2005.  It's now 2013.

There are tolling theories and arguments about continuing to cover up a crime that sometimes may extend a statute of limitations, but my guess is he paid a lot of money to a lawyer to confirm for him that he's not going to jail for opening his mouth on Oprah before he did it.
 
2013-01-14 08:39:42 PM
And he still was faster than everybody else who was cheating. Winner in my book.
 
2013-01-14 08:40:28 PM

error 303: shiatty athlete and it sucks his charity will be harmed by this.

That is all.


I wouldn't say he's a shiatty athlete. He won the Tour de France 7 consecutive times against other athletes who were also doping. He was the dominant doper.

Is cheating really cheating if everyone's doing it?
 
2013-01-14 08:40:36 PM
Too little, too late. 'Fessing up now -- and most likely, being paid to do so -- just makes him look like an even more despicable sleazebag.
 
2013-01-14 08:41:00 PM
wait does he know Oprah doesn't have a tv show any more

or is he stuck in 2006 and thinks this matters now
 
2013-01-14 08:41:17 PM

kab: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Wait a minute! Who cares about cycling?

You do, or you wouldn't be posting here.


LOL - you're too stupid to live
 
2013-01-14 08:41:50 PM
"News"? What happened subby, was the obvious tag suspended for doping?
 
2013-01-14 08:41:50 PM

Coco LaFemme: So he's basically admitting to shiat we already know?  After Jodie Foster basically told everyone she's a lesbian last night, which I don't think anyone questioned, who's going to admit to blatantly obvious facts next?


Will Tom Cruise finally jump on Oprah's couch in excitement over how gay he is?
 
2013-01-14 08:41:53 PM

crotchgrabber: If you'll excuse me, I have to stuff both my nuts into some spandex now.


excellent segue
 
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