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2013-01-14 08:13:05 PM
Participants who said they were dependent on pot by age 18 showed a drop in IQ score

Self reporting is always reliable.
 
2013-01-14 08:13:55 PM
You can always tells who the stoners are.
 
2013-01-14 08:16:31 PM
Is it somehow controversial that smoking pot leads to decreased mental acuity?

This is news?
 
2013-01-14 08:17:34 PM
Either way potheads are just plain dumber than the rest of the population so does it matter?
 
2013-01-14 08:20:28 PM
Computer simulation?

I'm a galactic ruler in one computer simulation, a dark elf warlock in another, and a sniper with 10k kills in a third one.
 
2013-01-14 08:22:07 PM
The author of the new paper says pot might not have anything to do with the mental decline seen in the original study, and that other factors may be to blame.

Aaaannnnd , , ,  done!
 
2013-01-14 08:22:32 PM

Mr. Eugenides: Either way potheads are just plain dumber than the rest of the population so does it matter?


SRSLY?

www.brainpickings.org
 
2013-01-14 08:23:52 PM

Indubitably: NutWrench: The author of the new paper says pot might not have anything to do with the mental decline seen in the original study, and that other factors may be to blame.

Aaaannnnd , , ,  done!

To bang


perchance to screw
Aye, there's the rub
 
2013-01-14 08:26:56 PM
The supposed 'significant' IQ drop was only a couple of points anyway, wasn't it? Oh noes.
 
2013-01-14 08:27:20 PM
"You're enough of a pro to know that for you to come out with something that would run counter to what the Congress feels and what the country feels, and what we're planning to do, would make your commission just look bad as hell."

Ladies and gentlemen, Richard M. Nixon - give him a hand and don't forget to tip your waitstaff!
 
2013-01-14 08:28:41 PM
It's not that the smokers IQ drops; it's just that they don't give a shiat about the research questions.
 
2013-01-14 08:29:14 PM
This is because there is no link between cannabis and lowering IQ established by the study but there is a correlation between people who choose to smoke cannabis and lowering IQ due to all manner of interlocking social reasons. Not to say the act of smoking anything, especially substances which significantly alter cognition, does not have prolonged influence on cognitive development.

fusillade762: Self reporting is always reliable.


Self reporting is reliable to find broad correlations because respondents will report more socially acceptable responses which are still mitigated by actual behaviors or thoughts. For a respondent who smokes cannabis never, twice a year, once a month, once a week, once a day, etc., we would expect those responses to all tend to be more socially acceptable (when possible), not the most socially acceptable.
 
2013-01-14 08:29:57 PM
As someone who is soon approaching 38. I have always felt my constant use of Marijuana between 14 and 16 did affect my mental and intellectual state from then on. But I rarely dwell on it. And it hasn't stopped me partaking periodically since. So who cares really.

/ still nowhere near as broken as most of the real stoners I know.
 
2013-01-14 08:30:59 PM

Indubitably: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Indubitably: NutWrench: The author of the new paper says pot might not have anything to do with the mental decline seen in the original study, and that other factors may be to blame.

Aaaannnnd , , ,  done!

To bang

perchance to screw
Aye, there's the rub

This is funny and worth noting again: I have never equated Fark with sexual congress making like it has been farked about, and I would never seek actual sexual congress with anyone unidentified on Fark. That is all. And that's that.


Just shut up and bite the pillow.
 
2013-01-14 08:31:55 PM
Pot makes you stupid!  There is nothing to add; if you add anything to this statement of fact, you are indeed a pot smoker and very stupid so STFU.
 
2013-01-14 08:33:02 PM

Indubitably: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Indubitably: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Indubitably: NutWrench: The author of the new paper says pot might not have anything to do with the mental decline seen in the original study, and that other factors may be to blame.

Aaaannnnd , , ,  done!

To bang

perchance to screw
Aye, there's the rub

This is funny and worth noting again: I have never equated Fark with sexual congress making like it has been farked about, and I would never seek actual sexual congress with anyone unidentified on Fark. That is all. And that's that.

Just shut up and bite the pillow.

Oops, wrong answer. Prepare.


i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-01-14 08:33:12 PM

cftc: Mr. Eugenides: Either way potheads are just plain dumber than the rest of the population so does it matter?

SRSLY?

[www.brainpickings.org image 646x536]


Love Carl, but he was a story teller.  Deeply versed in the language of science, but made no contributions to empirical science.  Great author of scientific history and the entertaining ability to recount historical fact.
 
2013-01-14 08:33:52 PM
Ug, my IQ is 146. I smoked pot a lot since I was 12; I am 43 now. I sometimes wish my IQ was lower so I wouldn't see things the way I do.
 
2013-01-14 08:34:26 PM

tshauk:
Love Carl, but he was a story teller.  Deeply versed in the language of science, but made no contributions to empirical science.


Bzzzt wrong

Maybe he wasn't an Einstein but he made significant contributions before his popular writing days.
 
2013-01-14 08:35:50 PM

johnphantom: Ug, my IQ is 146. I smoked pot a lot since I was 12; I am 43 now. I sometimes wish my IQ was lower so I wouldn't see things the way I do.


If you're that smart you should know that such a specific IQ number is meaningless due to a multitude of factors including culturally biased tests, tests which generally only measure one kind of IQ, inconsistency in results, and above all serious questions about what the nature of "Intelligence" is in the first place.
 
2013-01-14 08:36:00 PM

johnphantom: Ug, my IQ is 146. I smoked pot a lot since I was 12; I am 43 now. I sometimes wish my IQ was lower so I wouldn't see things the way I do.


Pull the other one!
 
2013-01-14 08:36:50 PM

tshauk: but made no contributions to empirical science


You do realize, in addition to being one of the most academically published physicists of the century that he was directly involved in the Voyager Program? His actual scientific accolades eclipse those of his pop science writing.
 
2013-01-14 08:36:57 PM

tshauk: Pot makes you stupid! There is nothing to add; if you add anything to this statement of fact, you are indeed a pot smoker and very stupid so STFU.


Monomania is a clearer hallmark of a dullard, if you ask me.
 
2013-01-14 08:37:04 PM

Indubitably: Indubitably: tshauk: Pot makes you stupid!  There is nothing to add; if you add anything to this statement of fact, you are indeed a pot smoker and very stupid so STFU.

So does alcohol, cocaine, heroin, meth, sugar, tv, video, and webs.

Next?

P.S. I forgot caffeine, nicotine, oil, plastics, and uranium...


And prescription drugs.

And chemotherapy.
 
2013-01-14 08:37:08 PM

mochunk: As someone who is soon approaching 38. I have always felt my constant use of Marijuana between 14 and 16 did affect my mental and intellectual state from then on...


tshauk: Pot makes you stupid!  There is nothing to add; if you add anything to this statement of fact, you are indeed a pot smoker and very stupid so STFU.


Surely both of you (and others) realize that a lot of stoners smoke because we're surrounded by people significantly, and often, painfully dumber than ourselves? I mean, that's kind of the point - a little recreational stupidity makes you calmer, relaxed, and more apt to be able to deal with the monkey house into which you're born.
 
2013-01-14 08:38:26 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: johnphantom: Ug, my IQ is 146. I smoked pot a lot since I was 12; I am 43 now. I sometimes wish my IQ was lower so I wouldn't see things the way I do.

If you're that smart you should know that such a specific IQ number is meaningless due to a multitude of factors including culturally biased tests, tests which generally only measure one kind of IQ, inconsistency in results, and above all serious questions about what the nature of "Intelligence" is in the first place.


I agree.
 
2013-01-14 08:39:14 PM
IQ tests are meaningless for this sort of thing. What you should do is give someone a piece of fruit, some wax paper, an empty CD case, some string, and a can of soup. Tell them to make a bong out of it.

I guarantee you, your average stoner will pass this test with flying colors.
 
2013-01-14 08:39:17 PM

Indubitably: I'm almost willing to do an IQ-off here...


Says the idiot who replies to his own posts.
 
2013-01-14 08:39:35 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: tshauk:
Love Carl, but he was a story teller.  Deeply versed in the language of science, but made no contributions to empirical science.

Bzzzt wrong

Maybe he wasn't an Einstein but he made significant contributions before his popular writing days.


And what would those contributions be?  Original empirical scientific offerings?  Show us one original Carl Sagan.
 
2013-01-14 08:40:44 PM

johnphantom: The All-Powerful Atheismo: johnphantom: Ug, my IQ is 146. I smoked pot a lot since I was 12; I am 43 now. I sometimes wish my IQ was lower so I wouldn't see things the way I do.

If you're that smart you should know that such a specific IQ number is meaningless due to a multitude of factors including culturally biased tests, tests which generally only measure one kind of IQ, inconsistency in results, and above all serious questions about what the nature of "Intelligence" is in the first place.

I agree.


I just get annoyed by the biggest-IQ-dick competitions that happen in these types of threads. And not because I'm jealous. I qualified for Mensa and test around 150 or so, not that that means anything. Also Mensa is full of the most arrogant, classist pricks I've ever seen,
 
2013-01-14 08:40:44 PM
I've certainly met my share of objectively intelligent and successful people in high school and college who smoked pot regularly. Of course there were plenty of losers too but that seemed like self-selection.
 
2013-01-14 08:40:52 PM
what a lifetime of maryjane abuse causes

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2013-01-14 08:40:52 PM

Hitomi Tanaka's Paperweights: mochunk: As someone who is soon approaching 38. I have always felt my constant use of Marijuana between 14 and 16 did affect my mental and intellectual state from then on...

tshauk: Pot makes you stupid!  There is nothing to add; if you add anything to this statement of fact, you are indeed a pot smoker and very stupid so STFU.

Surely both of you (and others) realize that a lot of stoners smoke because we're surrounded by people significantly, and often, painfully dumber than ourselves? I mean, that's kind of the point - a little recreational stupidity makes you calmer, relaxed, and more apt to be able to deal with the monkey house into which you're born.


Maybe you should smoke less and spend more time getting into a better environment? ;)
 
2013-01-14 08:41:01 PM

tshauk: cftc: Mr. Eugenides: Either way potheads are just plain dumber than the rest of the population so does it matter?

SRSLY?

[www.brainpickings.org image 646x536]

Love Carl, but he was a story teller.  Deeply versed in the language of science, but made no contributions to empirical science.  Great author of scientific history and the entertaining ability to recount historical fact.


You mean besides his 600+ scientific papers?
 
2013-01-14 08:41:06 PM
It doesn't seem like they said they proved or disproved anything one way or another, but rather said to the folks who did the first study, "Oh Look you forgot to take into account these various socioeconomic factors which have been shown to correlate with results similar to what you found".

And it further seems that this new information has been looked over by peers and people are largely saying, "Oh, yeah. I see what you mean. Hmmm."

Does it mean anything? Not necessarily. Is it reason to look closer at the original study? I think so.
 
2013-01-14 08:42:30 PM

tshauk: The All-Powerful Atheismo: tshauk:
Love Carl, but he was a story teller.  Deeply versed in the language of science, but made no contributions to empirical science.

Bzzzt wrong

Maybe he wasn't an Einstein but he made significant contributions before his popular writing days.

And what would those contributions be?  Original empirical scientific offerings?  Show us one original Carl Sagan.


Uh no, you feel free to go look it up, since you're the unenlightened one. I suggest starting at wikipedia which states "He spent most of his career as a professor of astronomy at Cornell University where he directed the Laboratory for Planetary Studies. He published more than 600 scientific papers[2] and articles"
 
2013-01-14 08:44:17 PM

All_Farked_Up: tshauk: cftc: Mr. Eugenides: Either way potheads are just plain dumber than the rest of the population so does it matter?

SRSLY?

[www.brainpickings.org image 646x536]

Love Carl, but he was a story teller.  Deeply versed in the language of science, but made no contributions to empirical science.  Great author of scientific history and the entertaining ability to recount historical fact.

You mean besides his 600+ scientific papers?


I guess they weren't original enough.
 
2013-01-14 08:44:26 PM
the link tween pot smkin and laziness totally c'nfirm'd
 
2013-01-14 08:46:18 PM

All_Farked_Up: tshauk: cftc: Mr. Eugenides: Either way potheads are just plain dumber than the rest of the population so does it matter?

SRSLY?

[www.brainpickings.org image 646x536]

Love Carl, but he was a story teller.  Deeply versed in the language of science, but made no contributions to empirical science.  Great author of scientific history and the entertaining ability to recount historical fact.

You mean besides his 600+ scientific papers?


Yes; Great author, great orator, great entertainer.  I love the guy!  Name us a SINGLE original empirical Sagan offering to science.  Not one of his many and brilliantly explained exposition on other scientists.
 
2013-01-14 08:47:36 PM

tshauk: Yes; Great author, great orator, great entertainer.  I love the guy!  Name us a SINGLE original empirical Sagan offering to science.  Not one of his many and brilliantly explained exposition on other scientists.


Since you're a lazy jackass:

Scientific achievements

Sagan's contributions were central to the discovery of the high surface temperatures of the planet Venus. In the early 1960s no one knew for certain the basic conditions of that planet's surface, and Sagan listed the possibilities in a report later depicted for popularization in a Time-Life book, Planets. His own view was that Venus was dry and very hot as opposed to the balmy paradise others had imagined. He had investigated radio emissions from Venus and concluded that there was a surface temperature of 500 °C (900 °F). As a visiting scientist to NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, he contributed to the first Mariner missions to Venus, working on the design and management of the project. Mariner 2 confirmed his conclusions on the surface conditions of Venus in 1962.
Sagan was among the first to hypothesize that Saturn's moon Titan might possess oceans of liquid compounds on its surface and that Jupiter's moon Europa might possess subsurface oceans of water. This would make Europa potentially habitable.[15] Europa's subsurface ocean of water was later indirectly confirmed by the spacecraft Galileo. The mystery of Titan's reddish haze was also solved with Sagan's help. The reddish haze was revealed to be due to complex organic molecules constantly raining down onto Titan's surface.[16]
He further contributed insights regarding the atmospheres of Venus and Jupiter as well as seasonal changes on Mars. He also perceived global warming as a growing, man-made danger and likened it to the natural development of Venus into a hot, life-hostile planet through a kind of runaway greenhouse effect. Sagan and his Cornell colleague Edwin Ernest Salpeter speculated about life in Jupiter's clouds, given the planet's dense atmospheric composition rich in organic molecules. He studied the observed color variations on Mars' surface and concluded that they were not seasonal or vegetational changes as most believed but shifts in surface dust caused by windstorms.
Sagan is best known, however, for his research on the possibilities of extraterrestrial life, including experimental demonstration of the production of amino acids from basic chemicals by radiation.[17]
He is also the 1994 recipient of the Public Welfare Medal, the highest award of the National Academy of Sciences for "distinguished contributions in the application of science to the public welfare".[18] He was denied membership in the Academy, reportedly because his media activities made him unpopular with many other scientists.[19]
 
2013-01-14 08:49:33 PM
Whatever the result of all of this, I think we can all agree that pot is not a good thing for a developing mind, and should be kept away from children under 18.

Which is why I only let my kids smoke meth.
 
2013-01-14 08:50:25 PM

mochunk: As someone who is soon approaching 38. I have always felt my constant use of Marijuana between 14 and 16 did affect my mental and intellectual state from then on. But I rarely dwell on it. And it hasn't stopped me partaking periodically since. So who cares really.

/ still nowhere near as broken as most of the real stoners I know.


Probably the testosterone, not the weed. Should have cut your nuts off: you could have focused better in school.
 
2013-01-14 08:51:21 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: tshauk: Yes; Great author, great orator, great entertainer.  I love the guy!  Name us a SINGLE original empirical Sagan offering to science.  Not one of his many and brilliantly explained exposition on other scientists.

Since you're a lazy jackass:

Scientific achievements

Sagan's contributions were central to the discovery of the high surface temperatures of the planet Venus. In the early 1960s no one knew for certain the basic conditions of that planet's surface, and Sagan listed the possibilities in a report later depicted for popularization in a Time-Life book, Planets. His own view was that Venus was dry and very hot as opposed to the balmy paradise others had imagined. He had investigated radio emissions from Venus and concluded that there was a surface temperature of 500 °C (900 °F). As a visiting scientist to NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, he contributed to the first Mariner missions to Venus, working on the design and management of the project. Mariner 2 confirmed his conclusions on the surface conditions of Venus in 1962.
Sagan was among the first to hypothesize that Saturn's moon Titan might possess oceans of liquid compounds on its surface and that Jupiter's moon Europa might possess subsurface oceans of water. This would make Europa potentially habitable.[15] Europa's subsurface ocean of water was later indirectly confirmed by the spacecraft Galileo. The mystery of Titan's reddish haze was also solved with Sagan's help. The reddish haze was revealed to be due to complex organic molecules constantly raining down onto Titan's surface.[16]
He further contributed insights regarding the atmospheres of Venus and Jupiter as well as seasonal changes on Mars. He also perceived global warming as a growing, man-made danger and likened it to the natural development of Venus into a hot, life-hostile planet through a kind of runaway greenhouse effect. Sagan and his Cornell colleague Edwin Ernest Salpeter speculated about life in Jupiter's clouds, given the plane ...

PotHead....

 
2013-01-14 08:52:00 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: If you're that smart you should know that such a specific IQ number is meaningless


Not meaningless, but not a precise descriptor of all cognitive ability either. I would say, of the qualms you posed, the nature of "intelligence" is the major concern surrounding intelligence testing today. Instruments have become far less biased, do provide reliable results, and measure a variety of facets of intelligence as standard. What still emerges as bias is historical levels of affluence which afford greater or lesser amounts of mental stimulation, essential as intelligence is developmental. Singular assessments are not to be trusted as precise but are useful diagnostically, and proper training with any instrument will allow you to note issues which would question any results (especially relevant for my assessment of children). Plus, I know of a dozen instruments, and none of them measure a single facet; KBIT is the simplest for estimation and covers two scores with two subcategories each.
 
2013-01-14 08:52:48 PM

tshauk: The All-Powerful Atheismo: tshauk: Yes; Great author, great orator, great entertainer.  I love the guy!  Name us a SINGLE original empirical Sagan offering to science.  Not one of his many and brilliantly explained exposition on other scientists.

Since you're a lazy jackass:

Scientific achievements

Sagan's contributions were central to the discovery of the high surface temperatures of the planet Venus. In the early 1960s no one knew for certain the basic conditions of that planet's surface, and Sagan listed the possibilities in a report later depicted for popularization in a Time-Life book, Planets. His own view was that Venus was dry and very hot as opposed to the balmy paradise others had imagined. He had investigated radio emissions from Venus and concluded that there was a surface temperature of 500 °C (900 °F). As a visiting scientist to NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, he contributed to the first Mariner missions to Venus, working on the design and management of the project. Mariner 2 confirmed his conclusions on the surface conditions of Venus in 1962.
Sagan was among the first to hypothesize that Saturn's moon Titan might possess oceans of liquid compounds on its surface and that Jupiter's moon Europa might possess subsurface oceans of water. This would make Europa potentially habitable.[15] Europa's subsurface ocean of water was later indirectly confirmed by the spacecraft Galileo. The mystery of Titan's reddish haze was also solved with Sagan's help. The reddish haze was revealed to be due to complex organic molecules constantly raining down onto Titan's surface.[16]
He further contributed insights regarding the atmospheres of Venus and Jupiter as well as seasonal changes on Mars. He also perceived global warming as a growing, man-made danger and likened it to the natural development of Venus into a hot, life-hostile planet through a kind of runaway greenhouse effect. Sagan and his Cornell colleague Edwin Ernest Salpeter speculated about life in Jupite ...


Did you read the farking thing I posted? It lists several original contributions.

As for "contributions", can you name one scientist who designed, built, and launched an interplanetary spacecraft by themselves?
 
2013-01-14 08:53:03 PM
People who think intelligence is a singular vector haven't paid much attention to guys like Bobby Fisher.
 
2013-01-14 08:53:26 PM
Stupid people do drugs. Smart people do drugs. But only stupid people think drug use can turn one into the other. Anyone who has ever done drugs for any length of time, or worked with people in recovery, know this is not the case. Crack, heroine, meth...they might make you learn how to jack a stereo or suck a pole, but they won't make you stupid. Even long-term LSD use leaves your cognitive abilities in tact.
 
2013-01-14 08:54:56 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: tshauk: The All-Powerful Atheismo: tshauk: Yes; Great author, great orator, great entertainer.  I love the guy!  Name us a SINGLE original empirical Sagan offering to science.  Not one of his many and brilliantly explained exposition on other scientists.

Since you're a lazy jackass:

Scientific achievements

Sagan's contributions were central to the discovery of the high surface temperatures of the planet Venus. In the early 1960s no one knew for certain the basic conditions of that planet's surface, and Sagan listed the possibilities in a report later depicted for popularization in a Time-Life book, Planets. His own view was that Venus was dry and very hot as opposed to the balmy paradise others had imagined. He had investigated radio emissions from Venus and concluded that there was a surface temperature of 500 °C (900 °F). As a visiting scientist to NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, he contributed to the first Mariner missions to Venus, working on the design and management of the project. Mariner 2 confirmed his conclusions on the surface conditions of Venus in 1962.
Sagan was among the first to hypothesize that Saturn's moon Titan might possess oceans of liquid compounds on its surface and that Jupiter's moon Europa might possess subsurface oceans of water. This would make Europa potentially habitable.[15] Europa's subsurface ocean of water was later indirectly confirmed by the spacecraft Galileo. The mystery of Titan's reddish haze was also solved with Sagan's help. The reddish haze was revealed to be due to complex organic molecules constantly raining down onto Titan's surface.[16]
He further contributed insights regarding the atmospheres of Venus and Jupiter as well as seasonal changes on Mars. He also perceived global warming as a growing, man-made danger and likened it to the natural development of Venus into a hot, life-hostile planet through a kind of runaway greenhouse effect. Sagan and his Cornell colleague Edwin Ernest Salpeter speculated about life i ...


No, and neither can you.  Move along now nitwit.
 
2013-01-14 08:55:46 PM
I think one major factor is the amount. Just like someone that has a glass of wine at dinner or maybe a beer a couple of times a week is impacted differently than someone who has a bottle or a six pack every day.

I've known people that the change in intelligence over years was very noticeable who smoked pot everyday. Wake and bake, lunch and bake, bake night snack. Not the same level of intelligence after years of that.
 
2013-01-14 08:56:10 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: tshauk: The All-Powerful Atheismo: tshauk: Yes; Great author, great orator, great entertainer.  I love the guy!  Name us a SINGLE original empirical Sagan offering to science.  Not one of his many and brilliantly explained exposition on other scientists.

Since you're a lazy jackass:

Scientific achievements

Sagan's contributions were central to the discovery of the high surface temperatures of the planet Venus. In the early 1960s no one knew for certain the basic conditions of that planet's surface, and Sagan listed the possibilities in a report later depicted for popularization in a Time-Life book, Planets. His own view was that Venus was dry and very hot as opposed to the balmy paradise others had imagined. He had investigated radio emissions from Venus and concluded that there was a surface temperature of 500 °C (900 °F). As a visiting scientist to NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, he contributed to the first Mariner missions to Venus, working on the design and management of the project. Mariner 2 confirmed his conclusions on the surface conditions of Venus in 1962.
Sagan was among the first to hypothesize that Saturn's moon Titan might possess oceans of liquid compounds on its surface and that Jupiter's moon Europa might possess subsurface oceans of water. This would make Europa potentially habitable.[15] Europa's subsurface ocean of water was later indirectly confirmed by the spacecraft Galileo. The mystery of Titan's reddish haze was also solved with Sagan's help. The reddish haze was revealed to be due to complex organic molecules constantly raining down onto Titan's surface.[16]
He further contributed insights regarding the atmospheres of Venus and Jupiter as well as seasonal changes on Mars. He also perceived global warming as a growing, man-made danger and likened it to the natural development of Venus into a hot, life-hostile planet through a kind of runaway greenhouse effect. Sagan and his Cornell colleague Edwin Ernest Salpeter speculated about life i ...


republibot.com
 
2013-01-14 08:56:37 PM

tshauk: No, and neither can you. Move along now nitwit.


In the late 1950s the general scientific view was that the surface of Venus was relatively cool and that life of some sort might exist on the planet. Radio emissions had been observed and it was thought that they came from the activity of charged particles located in an atmospheric layer.
Sagan overturned these ideas in 1961 by showing that the emissions could be caused by a very hot surface temperature, over 300 degrees Centigrade (572 degrees Fahrenheit), in which life could not exist. He said the high temperatures were caused by a "greenhouse effect," in which the sun's heat was trapped between the planet's surface and its carbon dioxide cloud cover. These ideas were confirmed by an exploratory space vehicle sent to Venus by the Soviet Union in 1967. link
 
2013-01-14 08:56:50 PM

mjbok: I think one major factor is the amount. Just like someone that has a glass of wine at dinner or maybe a beer a couple of times a week is impacted differently than someone who has a bottle or a six pack every day.

I've known people that the change in intelligence over years was very noticeable who smoked pot everyday. Wake and bake, lunch and bake, bake night snack. Not the same level of intelligence after years of that.


Nailed It.
 
2013-01-14 08:57:30 PM

tshauk: No, and neither can you.  Move along now nitwit.


Jesus christ. you're trolling or monumentally stupid. you ask for original scientific achievements, are given several, and you ignore it.
 
2013-01-14 08:58:23 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: tshauk: No, and neither can you.  Move along now nitwit.

Jesus christ. you're trolling or monumentally stupid. you ask for original scientific achievements, are given several, and you ignore it.


It's what trolls do
 
2013-01-14 08:58:40 PM

tshauk: The All-Powerful Atheismo: tshauk: Yes; Great author, great orator, great entertainer.  I love the guy!  Name us a SINGLE original empirical Sagan offering to science.  Not one of his many and brilliantly explained exposition on other scientists.

Since you're a lazy jackass:

Scientific achievements

Sagan's contributions were central to the discovery of the high surface temperatures of the planet Venus. In the early 1960s no one knew for certain the basic conditions of that planet's surface, and Sagan listed the possibilities in a report later depicted for popularization in a Time-Life book, Planets. His own view was that Venus was dry and very hot as opposed to the balmy paradise others had imagined. He had investigated radio emissions from Venus and concluded that there was a surface temperature of 500 °C (900 °F). As a visiting scientist to NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, he contributed to the first Mariner missions to Venus, working on the design and management of the project. Mariner 2 confirmed his conclusions on the surface conditions of Venus in 1962.
Sagan was among the first to hypothesize that Saturn's moon Titan might possess oceans of liquid compounds on its surface and that Jupiter's moon Europa might possess subsurface oceans of water. This would make Europa potentially habitable.[15] Europa's subsurface ocean of water was later indirectly confirmed by the spacecraft Galileo. The mystery of Titan's reddish haze was also solved with Sagan's help. The reddish haze was revealed to be due to complex organic molecules constantly raining down onto Titan's surface.[16]
He further contributed insights regarding the atmospheres of Venus and Jupiter as well as seasonal changes on Mars. He also perceived global warming as a growing, man-made danger and likened it to the natural development of Venus into a hot, life-hostile planet through a kind of runaway greenhouse effect. Sagan and his Cornell colleague Edwin Ernest Salpeter speculated about life in Jupite ...


Since you don't know how science works. All scientists contribute, none (or very few like Einstein) do all of the work on their own. In astrophysics speculation is where you have to start. If you don't think that Carl Sagan was a "real scientist" then there have only been an few dozen scientist in the history of earth.
 
2013-01-14 08:58:47 PM
Whatever the result of all of this, I think we can all agree that pot is not a good thing for a developing mind, and should be kept away from children under 18.

Which is why I only let my kids smoke meth.



You are running the risk of turning them into a buncha Paul Erdoses.
 
2013-01-14 08:59:01 PM

Omahawg: The All-Powerful Atheismo: tshauk: The All-Powerful Atheismo: tshauk: Yes; Great author, great orator, great entertainer.  I love the guy!  Name us a SINGLE original empirical Sagan offering to science.  Not one of his many and brilliantly explained exposition on other scientists.

Since you're a lazy jackass:

Scientific achievements

Sagan's contributions were central to the discovery of the high surface temperatures of the planet Venus. In the early 1960s no one knew for certain the basic conditions of that planet's surface, and Sagan listed the possibilities in a report later depicted for popularization in a Time-Life book, Planets. His own view was that Venus was dry and very hot as opposed to the balmy paradise others had imagined. He had investigated radio emissions from Venus and concluded that there was a surface temperature of 500 °C (900 °F). As a visiting scientist to NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, he contributed to the first Mariner missions to Venus, working on the design and management of the project. Mariner 2 confirmed his conclusions on the surface conditions of Venus in 1962.
Sagan was among the first to hypothesize that Saturn's moon Titan might possess oceans of liquid compounds on its surface and that Jupiter's moon Europa might possess subsurface oceans of water. This would make Europa potentially habitable.[15] Europa's subsurface ocean of water was later indirectly confirmed by the spacecraft Galileo. The mystery of Titan's reddish haze was also solved with Sagan's help. The reddish haze was revealed to be due to complex organic molecules constantly raining down onto Titan's surface.[16]
He further contributed insights regarding the atmospheres of Venus and Jupiter as well as seasonal changes on Mars. He also perceived global warming as a growing, man-made danger and likened it to the natural development of Venus into a hot, life-hostile planet through a kind of runaway greenhouse effect. Sagan and his Cornell colleague Edwin Ernest Salpe ...



As for "contributions", can you name one scientist who designed, built, and launched an interplanetary spacecraft by themselves?

Join the dunce in the corner.
 
2013-01-14 09:00:13 PM

mjbok: I think one major factor is the amount. Just like someone that has a glass of wine at dinner or maybe a beer a couple of times a week is impacted differently than someone who has a bottle or a six pack every day.

I've known people that the change in intelligence over years was very noticeable who smoked pot everyday. Wake and bake, lunch and bake, bake night snack. Not the same level of intelligence after years of that.


You feel that they should not have the same level of intelligence after that because you have been trained since birth to believe in the puritan ideal that pleasure must cause or be balanced by pain. Some things are just good and have no real consequences.
 
2013-01-14 09:00:19 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Also Mensa is full of the most arrogant, classist pricks I've ever seen,


The correct thing to do with Mensa types is to laugh and tell them it's "cute" that they're "just in Mensa." Then drop a hint that you're in an elite organization for people too smart for silly ol' Mensa.
 
2013-01-14 09:00:29 PM
Omahawg:

Not interplanetary, was it?
 
2013-01-14 09:00:48 PM
Our bodies function better after ingesting Cannabis. Cannabinoid receptors in the brain help to regulate brain activity...Link
 
2013-01-14 09:01:35 PM

MrEricSir: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Also Mensa is full of the most arrogant, classist pricks I've ever seen,

The correct thing to do with Mensa types is to laugh and tell them it's "cute" that they're "just in Mensa." Then drop a hint that you're in an elite organization for people too smart for silly ol' Mensa.


I'm a member of Super-Mensa.

You've probably never heard of it.
 
2013-01-14 09:01:56 PM
Even Einstein had help; ever hear of Tullio Levi-Civita?
 
2013-01-14 09:02:10 PM

lewismarktwo: You feel that they should not have the same level of intelligence after that because you have been trained since birth to believe in the puritan ideal that pleasure must cause or be balanced by pain. Some things are just good and have no real consequences.


No I see that they had no problem with Freshman Algebra, but had a hard time passing a simple elective class as a senior.
 
2013-01-14 09:04:30 PM

signaljammer: Even Einstein had help; ever hear of Tullio Levi-Civita?


So no contribution is original unless the scientist invented math?
 
2013-01-14 09:06:19 PM
Done in one.
 
2013-01-14 09:07:35 PM

SevenizGud: Done in one.


I have a graph of exactly 18 years of data, no more and no less, stating that this thread was not done in one.
 
2013-01-14 09:09:06 PM

Hitomi Tanaka's Paperweights: mochunk: As someone who is soon approaching 38. I have always felt my constant use of Marijuana between 14 and 16 did affect my mental and intellectual state from then on...

tshauk: Pot makes you stupid!  There is nothing to add; if you add anything to this statement of fact, you are indeed a pot smoker and very stupid so STFU.

Surely both of you (and others) realize that a lot of stoners smoke because we're surrounded by people significantly, and often, painfully dumber than ourselves? I mean, that's kind of the point - a little recreational stupidity makes you calmer, relaxed, and more apt to be able to deal with the monkey house into which you're born.


Don't go lumping me in with Mr. Alarmist Troll there because of being honest about my own perception of my exerpience. Especially when I wasn't even saying the same thing.

As someone else responded to this same post, maybe you could simply walk away from dumb people instead of wading in the deep end of derp and joining them. Seems to me the smart thing to do.


Besides, I mostly meant that my memory abilities had been affected. Which, admittedly I could have been more clear on.

However, I do indeed know many very smart and talented people who use pot to shut themselves down on a regular basis. Mostly very technical kernal hacker types who need the break. Sucks really to be that "on" all the time otherwise.
 
2013-01-14 09:09:40 PM
He was denied membership in the Academy, reportedly because his media activities made him unpopular with many other scientists.
Sagan again revealed his views on interstellar travel in his 1980 Cosmos series. In one of his last written works, Sagan argued that the chances of extraterrestrial spacecraft visiting Earth are vanishingly small. However, Sagan did think it plausible that Cold War concerns contributed to governments misleading their citizens about UFOs, and that "some UFO reports and analyses, and perhaps voluminous files, have been made inaccessible to the public which pays the bills...It's time for the files to be declassified and made generally available."

Entertainer, POTHEAD
 
2013-01-14 09:11:12 PM

Rufus Lee King: boobsrgood: Even long-term LSD use leaves your cognitive abilities in tact.

Ok, that's classic.


Or maybe you are just terribly misinformed. I've dropped 100's of times, done mdma, smoked pounds of weed, and gone on year-long benders of coke and meth.The last thirty years have basically been a chemical carnival. I can still do calculus, write in Latin, and pass most of the tests from college classes I took 30 years ago. And I am not that unusual.
 
2013-01-14 09:11:40 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Omahawg:

Not interplanetary, was it?


you know it's been so many bong hits since I last saw that show that I don't really remember.
 
2013-01-14 09:12:36 PM

Omahawg: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Omahawg:

Not interplanetary, was it?

you know it's been so many bong hits since I last saw that show that I don't really remember.


I see you are IQ-challenged
 
2013-01-14 09:12:59 PM

tshauk: Entertainer, POTHEAD


Your question about Carl Sagan was asked and answered. That was almost certainly not the kind of attention you were seeking but it's all we're willing to extend you.
 
2013-01-14 09:13:37 PM
tshauk:

Isn't it time for you to shut the fark up? You've been answered and disproved. You're not wanted.
 
2013-01-14 09:17:14 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Is it somehow controversial that smoking pot leads to decreased mental acuity?

This is news?


Yeah, it sure is. Because, according to the stoners, pot doesn't do anything to you at all and if you say otherwise they start to huff and puff and have another doobie and then huff and puff some more and have another joint and then huff and puff some more and then invoke the name of Carl Sagan.

Which, to a stoner, is all they need to prove their case. Unfortunately, the rest of us need a bit more proof.
 
2013-01-14 09:19:08 PM
Disproved?
Where? How?
Carl was awesome, no denying that.  However, to hold him up as an originator of scientific method and derivation, as well as; a POTHEAD, is misleading.
 
2013-01-14 09:21:38 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Omahawg: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Omahawg:

Not interplanetary, was it?

you know it's been so many bong hits since I last saw that show that I don't really remember.

I see you are IQ-challenged


hell, man, I don't remember the plot of every craptastic episode of knot's landing or three's company I watched growing up either.

IQ level is fine. This thread seems filled with fun-haters who likely have little qualms of chugging a 12 pack a day of natty ice 'cause it makes them attractive and intelligent.
 
2013-01-14 09:26:14 PM

Omahawg: This thread seems filled with fun-haters who likely have little qualms of chugging a 12 pack a day of natty ice 'cause it makes them attractive and intelligent.


No matter how intelligent and well thought out the rest of your posts may have been, this statement is pants on head retarded. I would wager the a large percentage of Natural Light drinkers use the money they save buying shiat beer on weed.
 
2013-01-14 09:26:25 PM

MrHelpful: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Is it somehow controversial that smoking pot leads to decreased mental acuity?

This is news?

Yeah, it sure is. Because, according to the stoners, pot doesn't do anything to you at all and if you say otherwise they start to huff and puff and have another doobie and then huff and puff some more and have another joint and then huff and puff some more and then invoke the name of Carl Sagan.

Which, to a stoner, is all they need to prove their case. Unfortunately, the rest of us need a bit more proof.


Hey, did you know that cannabis use promotes the growth of the connections between brain cells?
 
2013-01-14 09:27:33 PM
If you are using pot everyday, then, yes, you are going to do damage over time. Same with alcohol, sugar, etc.

Tshauk, you are a troll.

Carl Sagans contribution to science Link

What you are asking is a ridiculous question, nobody contributes anything that is 100% original. Now, go away, you useless troll.
 
2013-01-14 09:29:18 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: tshauk: No, and neither can you.  Move along now nitwit.

Jesus christ. you're trolling or monumentally stupid. you ask for original scientific achievements, are given several, and you ignore it.


Considering that this is FARK, and someone could literally post, "This post is a troll post", and get somewhere on the order of 10e15 replies, I think I know where I'm placing my bets.

/This post is a troll post
 
2013-01-14 09:29:45 PM

mjbok: Omahawg: This thread seems filled with fun-haters who likely have little qualms of chugging a 12 pack a day of natty ice 'cause it makes them attractive and intelligent.

No matter how intelligent and well thought out the rest of your posts may have been, this statement is pants on head retarded. I would wager the a large percentage of Natural Light drinkers use the money they save buying shiat beer on weed.


*bows*

I aim to please

intelligent? well thought out? rofl
 
2013-01-14 09:31:13 PM

Omahawg: what a lifetime of maryjane abuse causes


img2.timeinc.net

Hey, Rodney didn't just smoke the ganj, he slept around with every drug imaginable.

Live 83 years.


/Huge fan
//Met him in person when he was about the age shown above
///Good times, great gut

////His wife was a 8itch, tho


superradnow.files.wordpress.com

He who laughs last...
 
2013-01-14 09:32:04 PM

iaazathot: If you are using pot everyday, then, yes, you are going to do damage over time. Same with alcohol, sugar, etc.

Tshauk, you are a troll.

Carl Sagans contribution to science Link

What you are asking is a ridiculous question, nobody contributes anything that is 100% original. Now, go away, you useless troll.


Inviting someone out of the conversation is a certain declaration of ones ignorance of the point.  Feel free to take that however you might understand it.
 
2013-01-14 09:32:49 PM
you're lucky, amos quito

rodney was always cool....'cept maybe that rap song for which he still gets....wait for it....no respect.
 
2013-01-14 09:34:12 PM

Rufus Lee King: boobsrgood: Rufus Lee King: boobsrgood: Even long-term LSD use leaves your cognitive abilities in tact.

Ok, that's classic.

Or maybe you are just terribly misinformed. I've dropped 100's of times, done mdma, smoked pounds of weed, and gone on year-long benders of coke and meth.The last thirty years have basically been a chemical carnival. I can still do calculus, write in Latin, and pass most of the tests from college classes I took 30 years ago. And I am not that unusual.

Exitus in dubio est... "in tact"


Retention isn't really a measure of IQ, but processing is. I know people who are a lot smarter than I am and have done more drugs than I have. Some of them preform highly demanding cognitive processes on a daily basis, such as troubleshooting and analysis. It's pure mythology (propaganda, actually) that drugs make you dumb. If you are dumb, it's because you have always been dumb, not because you get high.
 
2013-01-14 09:36:07 PM

MrEricSir: IQ tests are meaningless for this sort of thing. What you should do is give someone a piece of fruit, some wax paper, an empty CD case, some string, and a can of soup. Tell them to make a bong out of it.

I guarantee you, your average stoner will pass this test with flying colors.


Are those the only objects allowed, or are we allowed to use tools as long as they don't end up in the final product?
 
2013-01-14 09:37:21 PM

Omahawg: fun-haters who likely have little qualms of chugging a 12 pack a day of natty ice 'cause it makes them attractive and intelligent.


I'm pretty sure my stomach would have some qualms with drinking that sewage.

Hell, sewage probably at least has some flavor.
 
2013-01-14 09:42:22 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: tshauk: Yes; Great author, great orator, great entertainer.  I love the guy!  Name us a SINGLE original empirical Sagan offering to science.  Not one of his many and brilliantly explained exposition on other scientists.

Since you're a lazy jackass:

Scientific achievements

Sagan's contributions were central to the discovery of the high surface temperatures of the planet Venus. In the early 1960s no one knew for certain the basic conditions of that planet's surface, and Sagan listed the possibilities in a report later depicted for popularization in a Time-Life book, Planets. His own view was that Venus was dry and very hot as opposed to the balmy paradise others had imagined. He had investigated radio emissions from Venus and concluded that there was a surface temperature of 500 °C (900 °F). As a visiting scientist to NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, he contributed to the first Mariner missions to Venus, working on the design and management of the project. Mariner 2 confirmed his conclusions on the surface conditions of Venus in 1962.
Sagan was among the first to hypothesize that Saturn's moon Titan might possess oceans of liquid compounds on its surface and that Jupiter's moon Europa might possess subsurface oceans of water. This would make Europa potentially habitable.[15] Europa's subsurface ocean of water was later indirectly confirmed by the spacecraft Galileo. The mystery of Titan's reddish haze was also solved with Sagan's help. The reddish haze was revealed to be due to complex organic molecules constantly raining down onto Titan's surface.[16]
He further contributed insights regarding the atmospheres of Venus and Jupiter as well as seasonal changes on Mars. He also perceived global warming as a growing, man-made danger and likened it to the natural development of Venus into a hot, life-hostile planet through a kind of runaway greenhouse effect. Sagan and his Cornell colleague Edwin Ernest Salpeter speculated about life in Jupiter's clouds, given the plane ...


You just described most potheads who drop out of college in their sophomore year.

*puff puff* "Dude, Venus is like, so much closer to the Sun, wouldn't it be like, all hot and dry and shiat?"
*puff puff* Whoa, what if the moons on those big planets had water under the surface? That would be, like, cool and stuff!"
*puff puff* "You know, burning all this coal and oil is really messing up the skies and stuff, we need to, like, stop messing up the environment before it ends up like Venus."
*puff puff* "Maybe there is life out there, but not "as we know it", maybe there are, like, ethereal life forms living in the clouds of Jupiter..."

He just got lucky that some of his stoned ramblings ended up being true, is all.
 
2013-01-14 09:43:38 PM

tshauk: iaazathot: If you are using pot everyday, then, yes, you are going to do damage over time. Same with alcohol, sugar, etc.

Tshauk, you are a troll.

Carl Sagans contribution to science Link

What you are asking is a ridiculous question, nobody contributes anything that is 100% original. Now, go away, you useless troll.

Inviting someone out of the conversation is a certain declaration of ones ignorance of the point.  Feel free to take that however you might understand it.


Or a sign of boredom with trolls.

You have two indefensible positions, yet you persist, because you enjoy being a contrarian attention whore. It's a tired schtick.

You claim he contributed nothing "original" to science. Multiple examples of his unique contributinos were posted, peer reviewed and confirmed with later research. You claim he was a "pothead," a derogatory term used to describe people who are unproductive and use marijuana to the detriment of their lives. Both of those definitive points are obviously incorrect.

You are pedantic, shallow, and boring. You add nothing of value to the conversation.
 
2013-01-14 09:50:02 PM

MrHelpful: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Is it somehow controversial that smoking pot leads to decreased mental acuity?

This is news?

Yeah, it sure is. Because, according to the stoners, pot doesn't do anything to you at all and if you say otherwise they start to huff and puff and have another doobie and then huff and puff some more and have another joint and then huff and puff some more and then invoke the name of Carl Sagan.

Which, to a stoner, is all they need to prove their case. Unfortunately, the rest of us need a bit more proof.


Well, as unbiased and pleasant as you are, I can't argue with your 'logic'.

(It would be like arguing with a bannister, I imagine)


Some people benefit from regular cannabis use. Using it to excess can lead to problems. Only one of these is true of alcohol, and yet I bet you have no problem with "drunkers"...

/When it comes to my herb, leave me alone and don't harsh my buzz, man
//I'm an after work/weekend smoker
 
2013-01-14 09:50:47 PM

Hagbardr: MrEricSir: IQ tests are meaningless for this sort of thing. What you should do is give someone a piece of fruit, some wax paper, an empty CD case, some string, and a can of soup. Tell them to make a bong out of it.

I guarantee you, your average stoner will pass this test with flying colors.

Are those the only objects allowed, or are we allowed to use tools as long as they don't end up in the final product?


I think I could make a passable, not totally airtight, probably toxic bong with just this stuff and a lighter to help bend/melt the cd case. But I'd have a lighter anyway, so I wouldn't count it as extra. A pocketknife would be nice but I think I'd be able to do it without.
 
2013-01-14 09:53:17 PM
Pot eh?

pbs.twimg.com
 
2013-01-14 09:53:30 PM

Rufus Lee King: Ok, I'm going to liven this moribund thread up a bit.

I don't normally like to admit this, but about thirty years ago, I consumed enough LSD to make Hunter Thompson look like a Boy Scout.

I didn't actually see God, but I heard Him.

Sort of a "Universal Dial Tone", if you will.

God exists.


do go on...
 
2013-01-14 09:53:45 PM
Fact is, if one is too stupid to learn to titrate the dose of any drug to the purpose desired, then one is simply stupid; the drug itself is a mere adjunct to preexisting error, it gilds the lily.

From my anecdotal observations, it would appear that acute alcohol intoxication results in nearly instantaneous induction of stupid coupled with a retardation of emotional control.

If this study is reliable (`dependent' on marijuana WTF? operational definition would be nice), are the dull merely becoming duller (not uncommon without the use of any substance)?

In marijuana `research' it is always important to keep in mind that the big sponsors aren't buying anything that doesn't promise a big body count (or insinuation, thereof).
 
2013-01-14 09:54:10 PM

Brainsick: Some people benefit from regular cannabis use. Using it to excess can lead to problems. Only one of these is true of alcohol, and yet I bet you have no problem with "drunkers"...


I could swear that a glass of redwine a day was good for your heart (or some other benefit). Actually a quick google search (yes, I know that means it HAS to be true) shows that moderate alcohol use does have benefits.
 
2013-01-14 09:54:46 PM

sxacho: Hagbardr: MrEricSir: IQ tests are meaningless for this sort of thing. What you should do is give someone a piece of fruit, some wax paper, an empty CD case, some string, and a can of soup. Tell them to make a bong out of it.

I guarantee you, your average stoner will pass this test with flying colors.

Are those the only objects allowed, or are we allowed to use tools as long as they don't end up in the final product?

I think I could make a passable, not totally airtight, probably toxic bong with just this stuff and a lighter to help bend/melt the cd case. But I'd have a lighter anyway, so I wouldn't count it as extra. A pocketknife would be nice but I think I'd be able to do it without.


Break the CD`case and use the shards to carve out a pipe using the fruit. Unless it's an orange or something shiatty like that...

/not technically a 'bong', but you can smoke out of it
 
2013-01-14 09:57:32 PM

mjbok: Brainsick: Some people benefit from regular cannabis use. Using it to excess can lead to problems. Only one of these is true of alcohol, and yet I bet you have no problem with "drunkers"...

I could swear that a glass of redwine a day was good for your heart (or some other benefit). Actually a quick google search (yes, I know that means it HAS to be true) shows that moderate alcohol use does have benefits.


semantics

/should have said tobacco, but not sure if that even has a safe dose
 
2013-01-14 09:57:32 PM
I know a guy who purposefully huffed Dust-off to make himself dumber. It worker, and he's much happier now.
 
2013-01-14 10:00:35 PM

PonceAlyosha: tshauk: but made no contributions to empirical science

You do realize, in addition to being one of the most academically published physicists of the century that he was directly involved in the Voyager Program? His actual scientific accolades eclipse those of his pop science writing.


No, he di'int!

/but now he does
 
2013-01-14 10:00:46 PM
This was in New Zealand. I mean can you really notice a difference between an IQ of potato and cabbage?
 
2013-01-14 10:01:22 PM

Mr. Eugenides: Either way potheads are just plain dumber than the rest of the population so does it matter?


Can't be any more stupid that a man who makes up

boobsrgood: Rufus Lee King: boobsrgood: Rufus Lee King: boobsrgood: Even long-term LSD use leaves your cognitive abilities in tact.

Ok, that's classic.

Or maybe you are just terribly misinformed. I've dropped 100's of times, done mdma, smoked pounds of weed, and gone on year-long benders of coke and meth.The last thirty years have basically been a chemical carnival. I can still do calculus, write in Latin, and pass most of the tests from college classes I took 30 years ago. And I am not that unusual.

Exitus in dubio est... "in tact"

Retention isn't really a measure of IQ, but processing is. I know people who are a lot smarter than I am and have done more drugs than I have. Some of them preform highly demanding cognitive processes on a daily basis, such as troubleshooting and analysis. It's pure mythology (propaganda, actually) that drugs make you dumb. If you are dumb, it's because you have always been dumb, not because you get high.


Actually, retention IS one COMPONENT of I.Q. There are many components in standard I.Q. tests, such as the Wechsler (WAIS) test battery. The component of *WAIS (the most widely used I.Q. test battery) testing memory, i.e. retention, are the subtests measuring the Working Memory Index (e.g. digit-span test, mental arithmetic).

*(Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale)
 
2013-01-14 10:04:19 PM

Rufus Lee King: Ok, I'm going to liven this moribund thread up a bit.

I don't normally like to admit this, but about thirty years ago, I consumed enough LSD to make Hunter Thompson look like a Boy Scout.

I didn't actually see God, but I heard Him.

Sort of a "Universal Dial Tone", if you will.

God exists.


Well, about 30 years ago I consumed enough mushrooms to be able to see the entire universe through all of space and time. What you heard was actually a dial tone because while you were able to lift the receiver, your fingers had melted to the point that you couldn't dial. Oh, and there is no god.
 
2013-01-14 10:08:22 PM

Brainsick: Break the CD`case and use the shards to carve out a pipe using the fruit. Unless it's an orange or something shiatty like that...

/not technically a 'bong', but you can smoke out of it


I guess you wouldn't pass the test then. But then neither would I unless the can of soup was the new kind with the pull-tab to open it. Otherwise I don't think I could do it.

Didn't they do this once on Junkyard Wars?
 
2013-01-14 10:10:40 PM

sxacho: Hagbardr: MrEricSir: IQ tests are meaningless for this sort of thing. What you should do is give someone a piece of fruit, some wax paper, an empty CD case, some string, and a can of soup. Tell them to make a bong out of it.

I guarantee you, your average stoner will pass this test with flying colors.

Are those the only objects allowed, or are we allowed to use tools as long as they don't end up in the final product?

I think I could make a passable, not totally airtight, probably toxic bong with just this stuff and a lighter to help bend/melt the cd case. But I'd have a lighter anyway, so I wouldn't count it as extra. A pocketknife would be nice but I think I'd be able to do it without.


Without tools: bend the can lid into a scoop shape. Use scoop to carve a bowl and smoke channels into the apple. Use cd case or wax paper to sort out stems and seeds.
 
2013-01-14 10:14:54 PM

Mr. Eugenides: Rufus Lee King: Ok, I'm going to liven this moribund thread up a bit.

I don't normally like to admit this, but about thirty years ago, I consumed enough LSD to make Hunter Thompson look like a Boy Scout.

I didn't actually see God, but I heard Him.

Sort of a "Universal Dial Tone", if you will.

God exists.

Well, about 30 years ago I consumed enough mushrooms to be able to see the entire universe through all of space and time. What you heard was actually a dial tone because while you were able to lift the receiver, your fingers had melted to the point that you couldn't dial. Oh, and there is no god.


Pffffft.....the massive quantity of Jimson Weed tea I consumed one night in the Mojave desert would like you to know you're both wrong; life exists because we exist and that's the joke! The sound you heard was an echo of the original HaHa.
galeri2.uludagsozluk.com
 
2013-01-14 10:20:43 PM
When I was in high school there was this cartoony egghead kid that talked like Mr. Spock. I was the stoner burnout that used to constantly outscore him in every test. Did he ever despise me.

/End CSB.
 
2013-01-14 10:23:31 PM

Mr. Eugenides: Rufus Lee King: Ok, I'm going to liven this moribund thread up a bit.

I don't normally like to admit this, but about thirty years ago, I consumed enough LSD to make Hunter Thompson look like a Boy Scout.

I didn't actually see God, but I heard Him.

Sort of a "Universal Dial Tone", if you will.

God exists.

Well, about 30 years ago I consumed enough mushrooms to be able to see the entire universe through all of space and time. What you heard was actually a dial tone because while you were able to lift the receiver, your fingers had melted to the point that you couldn't dial. Oh, and there is no god.


Sure there is a god. Don't be so narrow-minded.
 
2013-01-14 10:29:51 PM

tshauk: Entertainer, POTHEAD


There doesn't seem to be a link between pot smoking and decreased IQ. However, there is a very strong correlation between TotalFark and trolling.
 
2013-01-14 10:30:18 PM

Rufus Lee King: Ok, I'm going to liven this moribund thread up a bit.

I don't normally like to admit this, but about thirty years ago, I consumed enough LSD to make Hunter Thompson look like a Boy Scout.

I didn't actually see God, but I heard Him.

Sort of a "Universal Dial Tone", if you will.

God exists.


That could describe the cosmic background radiation, when it is interpolated as sound.

However, in my "I saw God" experience it was an infinite 3d matrix of tiny Japanese Noh dancers with fiery naginata (halberds) spinning like pin wheels. A combination of yin/yang with the female dancers with the fiery representation of Fudo Myo (wisdom king with the flaming sword). It was a wonderful experience.
 
2013-01-14 10:35:08 PM
Reads article. Duke sucks.
 
2013-01-14 10:46:43 PM

Omahawg: The All-Powerful Atheismo: tshauk: The All-Powerful Atheismo: tshauk: Yes; Great author, great orator, great entertainer.  I love the guy!  Name us a SINGLE original empirical Sagan offering to science.  Not one of his many and brilliantly explained exposition on other scientists.

Since you're a lazy jackass:

Scientific achievements

Sagan's contributions were central to the discovery of the high surface temperatures of the planet Venus. In the early 1960s no one knew for certain the basic conditions of that planet's surface, and Sagan listed the possibilities in a report later depicted for popularization in a Time-Life book, Planets. His own view was that Venus was dry and very hot as opposed to the balmy paradise others had imagined. He had investigated radio emissions from Venus and concluded that there was a surface temperature of 500 °C (900 °F). As a visiting scientist to NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, he contributed to the first Mariner missions to Venus, working on the design and management of the project. Mariner 2 confirmed his conclusions on the surface conditions of Venus in 1962.
Sagan was among the first to hypothesize that Saturn's moon Titan might possess oceans of liquid compounds on its surface and that Jupiter's moon Europa might possess subsurface oceans of water. This would make Europa potentially habitable.[15] Europa's subsurface ocean of water was later indirectly confirmed by the spacecraft Galileo. The mystery of Titan's reddish haze was also solved with Sagan's help. The reddish haze was revealed to be due to complex organic molecules constantly raining down onto Titan's surface.[16]
He further contributed insights regarding the atmospheres of Venus and Jupiter as well as seasonal changes on Mars. He also perceived global warming as a growing, man-made danger and likened it to the natural development of Venus into a hot, life-hostile planet through a kind of runaway greenhouse effect. Sagan and his Cornell colleague Edwin Ernest Salpe ...


HELL YAH!

Salvage 1!! That show was awesome. I wonder how bad it would suck these days. Even TPB doesn't have it.
 
2013-01-14 10:48:47 PM

johnphantom: Ug, my IQ is 146. I smoked pot a lot since I was 12; I am 43 now. I sometimes wish my IQ was lower so I wouldn't see things the way I do.


Mine is a muscular 154. I am smart, much smarter than you!
 
2013-01-14 10:51:50 PM
IQ: 169
Academic Decathlon Sweepstakes winner, Scholastic Division
National Merit Scholar

Smoked pot three times in high school, got caught each time, by the cops, my parents, and school, respectively.

Didn't toke up again until second semester sophomore year. Was pothead (smoked and played lots of video games and watched movies) for two years of college, graduated with shiatty GPA.

Stopped smoking again for a few years. Came back to it to help me work out, stretch, and dance. Now its a stimulant. Use much less frequently, get incredibly creative after smoking and stretching. Was totally doing it wrong in college.

There is a reason why Michael Phelps, the Canadian Snowboard Team, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and many other elite level athletes smoke cannabis. Its because it is a ridiculous stimulant when combined with anaerobic exercise to mover the cannabinoids through their metabolic pathways and an acidic catalyser to disengage all the sticky molecules and allow them to seek out the cannabinoid receptors throughout the peripheral nervous system. It awakens an incredible amount of lasting energy, not just kinetic energy, but creativity coupled with rhythm, balance, and extremity-eye coordination.

Its not widely known or appreciated, sadly, but its an incredibly awesome way to use the herb. Try it sometime...
 
2013-01-14 10:51:55 PM
It's not called DOPE because it makes you SMARTER.

Smoking ANYTHING is bad for you.

Marijuana users often (not always) become lethargic and apathetic. Like every generalization, there will be exceptions. Your mileage may vary, as they say. But generally, long term continuous use of anything consumed by smoking it cannot be good for the lungs.

And, because of the restriction of bloodflow caused by the smoke, some damage to the brain is predictable.

I am ambivalent about legalization, concerned about the billions pi$$ed away on police and prisons, and more interested in educating the public about the risks of smoking ANYTHING.

And, no, I do not drink alcohol.
 
2013-01-14 10:51:59 PM
I would open the can of soup, and punch a big hole in the side, maybe 1.5 inches in diameter. Then I'd drill a hole through the fruit, and cut the outside down to fit the can and to serve as bowl and stem.

/no dummy
 
2013-01-14 10:52:51 PM

tshauk: Inviting someone out of the conversation is a certain declaration of ones ignorance of the point.  Feel free to take that however you might understand it.


Wow.. full-on conflation of 'evaluation' and 'attack ad hominem', done in a way that demonstrates your inability to do the former and tendency to indulge in the latter, and only slightly over the character limit for a tweet.

Your short-form stupidity is much superior to the longer stuff. That's a gift you should cultivate.

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." -- Thomas Paine
 
2013-01-14 10:53:43 PM

Brainsick: semantics


How is that semantics? I know you said you should have said tobacco (but given that you later use the term drunkards your train of thought was about alcohol), but completely refuting what you said is not semantics.

I would rather deal with someone who is high than someone who is drunk.

I think weed should be legal, but I think it should be taxed at levels that would make it more expensive than it currently is.

A study I read recently had some interesting points. It said casual users suffered no long-term effects. Any effects on casual users was more about new memory building rather than existing memory retention or recall. Heavy users did show signs of long term effects. Heavy user was defined as someone who smokes 7 or more times a week.

There are positives to it, there are (potential) negatives to it. Most of the short-term negatives have more to do with delivery mechanism than the drug itself (solved by vaping I would guess). However in many of these threads people unequivocally state that there are absolutely no negatives to smoking pot. It is safe to drive when you're stoned. I smoked five times a day for ten years and suffered no ill effects.

They will cherry pick data from studies that bolster their argument and ignore data from the same studies that isn't lockstep in line with their line of reasoning. I gave a link to a study that was endorsed (not done) by NORML that was accepted for its positive conclusions and dismissed for its negative conclusions.

Marijuana is not the boogie-main/reefer madness that the government tried to "teach" us about from elementary school all the way through adulthood, but it is not all puppies and rainbows either.

At the end of the day, whether right or wrong it is still illegal. Doesn't mean I haven't smoked it, but still it's illegal. I hate the mindset of many pot smokers. Example: I was at a concert. Lit up a cigarette. Guy behind me threw a fit. Five minutes later the same guy lit up a joint. Both were illegal, but what I did was less illegal.

//Legalize it.
///Tax the fark out of it
////And make it so you can't smoke it anywhere, just like tobacco
 
2013-01-14 10:59:37 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: I just get annoyed by the biggest-IQ-dick competitions that happen in these types of threads. And not because I'm jealous. I qualified for Mensa and test around 150 or so, not that that means anything.


Smart. You found a way to get that out there.
 
2013-01-14 11:01:25 PM
I have an IQ of 173.

That's why I spend my evenings posting anonymously on internet forums rather than going out and doing something productive.
 
2013-01-14 11:02:39 PM
I just made this thred quite a bit smaller. Any guesses how?
:)
 
2013-01-14 11:02:52 PM

Vangor: The All-Powerful Atheismo: If you're that smart you should know that such a specific IQ number is meaningless

Not meaningless, but not a precise descriptor of all cognitive ability either. I would say, of the qualms you posed, the nature of "intelligence" is the major concern surrounding intelligence testing today. Instruments have become far less biased, do provide reliable results, and measure a variety of facets of intelligence as standard. What still emerges as bias is historical levels of affluence which afford greater or lesser amounts of mental stimulation, essential as intelligence is developmental. Singular assessments are not to be trusted as precise but are useful diagnostically, and proper training with any instrument will allow you to note issues which would question any results (especially relevant for my assessment of children). Plus, I know of a dozen instruments, and none of them measure a single facet; KBIT is the simplest for estimation and covers two scores with two subcategories each.


I always wondered about what the best ways to test other forms of intelligence than IQ. For example, my musical intelligence is shiat, I have what my piano teacher kindly described as a "natural syncopation", meaning I can't hold a beat for shiat. So classical piano was almost impossible for me to do, but jazz fit me nicely. But then years later, I started doing break dancing and martial arts, and turns out my kinesthetic intelligence is phenomenal and my inability to incorporate steady classical rhythms is actually a huge positive in improvisational dance...

I also like thinking that we overly focus on the intelligence inside our brains, and not enough in our entire neural net. The kind of brilliance it takes to make the millisecond adjustments to juke a 250 lb lineman, or the muscle memory it takes to throw a bowling ball into the sweet spot or hit a golf ball into the wind within 15 feet of the pin or shoot a sniper rifle a thousand feet are all types of intelligence.

I guess sports and games are how we measure them...
 
2013-01-14 11:03:30 PM

Smackledorfer: I just made this thred quite a bit smaller. Any guesses how?


You dropped the a in thread?
 
2013-01-14 11:05:52 PM

Rufus Lee King: Let me start off by saying that I'm all for legalization of weed.

Let me now tell you why I don't smoke it any more:

Some guys can smoke all night and maintain some semblance of actual human thought; maybe turn into Albert Einstein or something.

Me, I'm not one of those guys. I turn into Bobo the Simpleminded.

Like "End of the World" stupid.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 559x448]


Did you ever try smoking and then working out or dancing? I know it seems counter-intuitive, but your body responds in a completely different way.

Protip: Drink something acidic to cut the cottonmouth, then watch as you have energy for the next 5 hours...
 
2013-01-14 11:07:11 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Is it somehow controversial that smoking pot leads to decreased mental acuity?

This is news?


To a stoner, everything is news, every time they hear it.

"Wait, you mean you dropped out?"

"I graduated in 1997, Steve."
 
2013-01-14 11:08:51 PM

Mr. Eugenides: Either way potheads are just plain dumber than the rest of the population so does it matter?

Bad troll is bad.

Anyway...
The article doesn't say anything whatsoever about the average IQ in relation to "pothead" IQ. It just says it dropped.

According to this new research done by some stoner though the decline is the same as when correlated with various socioeconomic and racial factors. This should at least make everyone rethink the original study.
 
2013-01-14 11:11:39 PM

mjbok: Smackledorfer: I just made this thred quite a bit smaller. Any guesses how?

You dropped the a in thread?


Lmao.

Nice.
 
2013-01-14 11:18:52 PM
Now, I have seen pot make people paranoid, I've seen it make them manic. Sometimes pot magnifies personality, and if you happen to be an idiot to begin with, well, there you go.
 
2013-01-14 11:39:10 PM
This thread sucks.

IQ dick waving + bad trolling = welcometonewfark. You use to be cool, Fark.

/Fark must be the luckiest site on the Internet to have so many genius level IQs (who no doubt also have huge penises and multiple model girlfriends from Canada) visiting
 
2013-01-14 11:43:34 PM

Smackledorfer: Lmao.

Nice.


Was too easy to pass up. Before I proofread mine I had dropped one of the "p"s in dropped.
 
2013-01-14 11:43:55 PM

js34603: This thread sucks.

IQ dick waving + bad trolling = welcometonewfark. You use to be cool, Fark.

/Fark must be the luckiest site on the Internet to have so many genius level IQs (who no doubt also have huge penises and multiple model girlfriends from Canada) visiting


I can get you huge Canadian 'girls' WITH genius penises, does that count?
 
2013-01-14 11:51:46 PM
Yeah old fark was awesome. I heard about cat shiatsu coffee two years before anyone else. It was all weird news stories from around the globe and insensitive ripping on lame people. Now it's all about religion bashing, gun grabbing, lol cats, boobies, wieners, etc. there are still some good threads, though, and photoshop was a nice addition
 
2013-01-14 11:58:31 PM

belhade: The All-Powerful Atheismo: tshauk: Yes; Great author, great orator, great entertainer.  I love the guy!  Name us a SINGLE original empirical Sagan offering to science.  Not one of his many and brilliantly explained exposition on other scientists.

Since you're a lazy jackass:

Scientific achievements

Sagan's contributions were central to the discovery of the high surface temperatures of the planet Venus. In the early 1960s no one knew for certain the basic conditions of that planet's surface, and Sagan listed the possibilities in a report later depicted for popularization in a Time-Life book, Planets. His own view was that Venus was dry and very hot as opposed to the balmy paradise others had imagined. He had investigated radio emissions from Venus and concluded that there was a surface temperature of 500 °C (900 °F). As a visiting scientist to NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, he contributed to the first Mariner missions to Venus, working on the design and management of the project. Mariner 2 confirmed his conclusions on the surface conditions of Venus in 1962.
Sagan was among the first to hypothesize that Saturn's moon Titan might possess oceans of liquid compounds on its surface and that Jupiter's moon Europa might possess subsurface oceans of water. This would make Europa potentially habitable.[15] Europa's subsurface ocean of water was later indirectly confirmed by the spacecraft Galileo. The mystery of Titan's reddish haze was also solved with Sagan's help. The reddish haze was revealed to be due to complex organic molecules constantly raining down onto Titan's surface.[16]
He further contributed insights regarding the atmospheres of Venus and Jupiter as well as seasonal changes on Mars. He also perceived global warming as a growing, man-made danger and likened it to the natural development of Venus into a hot, life-hostile planet through a kind of runaway greenhouse effect. Sagan and his Cornell colleague Edwin Ernest Salpeter speculated about life in Jupite ...


Annnnnnnd plonk.
 
2013-01-14 11:58:55 PM
FTFA "the IQ trend might have emerged from differences among the study participants in socioeconomic factors like income, education and occupation".

So, are they sayingFrom my undestanding/POV why cant this be happening:
Lower IQ results in lower income
Lower IQ results in lower education
Lower IQ results in working class occupations
Lower IQ results in stupid decisions like... regularly smoking weed.
 
2013-01-15 12:09:22 AM

johnphantom: Ug, my IQ is 146. I smoked pot a lot since I was 12; I am 43 now. I sometimes wish my IQ was lower so I wouldn't see things the way I do.



I once heard that it is very hard to converse with someone with a 40 point difference in IQ. Mine is 136 and I teach middle school. I sometimes do not know how some of these kids don't poke themselves in the eye while eating cereal.
 
2013-01-15 12:14:31 AM

justbob2000: johnphantom: Ug, my IQ is 146. I smoked pot a lot since I was 12; I am 43 now. I sometimes wish my IQ was lower so I wouldn't see things the way I do.


I once heard that it is very hard to converse with someone with a 40 point difference in IQ. Mine is 136 and I teach middle school. I sometimes do not know how some of these kids don't poke themselves in the eye while eating cereal.


I have a ball-peen hammer. I could make it easier for you to converse with your students if you'd like.
 
2013-01-15 12:17:52 AM

Indubitably: Mr. Eugenides: Either way potheads are just plain dumber than the rest of the population so does it matter?

Please corollate with religious mindsets for accuracy...


quotationsbook.com

Marijuana religious mindset fields calibrated, mon.
 
2013-01-15 12:21:02 AM
tshauk.


Try again, shillbot/
 
2013-01-15 12:24:32 AM

johnphantom: Ug, my IQ is 146. I smoked pot a lot since I was 12; I am 43 now. I sometimes wish my IQ was lower so I wouldn't see things the way I do.


3/10 ... I think the last sentence lays it on a little too thick.
 
2013-01-15 12:28:10 AM

Jument: johnphantom: Ug, my IQ is 146. I smoked pot a lot since I was 12; I am 43 now. I sometimes wish my IQ was lower so I wouldn't see things the way I do.

3/10 ... I think the last sentence lays it on a little too thick.


If you read a little further along, I agreed that IQ tests are subjective and probably not a good indication of intelligence - especially creativity.
 
2013-01-15 12:33:29 AM
A link to the actual article in NATURE magazine, Link
 
2013-01-15 01:11:03 AM

amquelbettamin: Yeah old fark was awesome. I heard about cat shiatsu coffee two years before anyone else. It was all weird news stories from around the globe and insensitive ripping on lame people. Now it's all about religion bashing, gun grabbing, lol cats, boobies, wieners, etc. there are still some good threads, though, and photoshop was a nice addition


But no boobies. And also, the trolls back in those days were Mustakrakish types, not the meme LOL I TROLLED U types
 
2013-01-15 01:15:52 AM

sxacho: It doesn't seem like they said they proved or disproved anything one way or another, but rather said to the folks who did the first study, "Oh Look you forgot to take into account these various socioeconomic factors which have been shown to correlate with results similar to what you found".

And it further seems that this new information has been looked over by peers and people are largely saying, "Oh, yeah. I see what you mean. Hmmm."

Does it mean anything? Not necessarily. Is it reason to look closer at the original study? I think so.


Yes, but one of the big things that second guy missed was that those "socio-economic factors" include things like recreational drug use, even copious recreational drug use.

Basically: "Look! These copious users of weed from a certain class of socioeconomic factors have similar IQ drops to other people who live in those same socioeconomic factors and also smoke weed!"

/now if he had removed all the drug users from his sample, *then* it would have been interesting.
 
2013-01-15 01:21:53 AM
As someone who smokes pot everyday (and just did 3 minutes ago), I can confirm that it does indeed make you dumb. I'm definitely less sharp than i was when I first started smoking.

With that being said, I make more money than 99% of the country so I don't give a fark.
 
2013-01-15 01:23:31 AM

Fano: amquelbettamin: Yeah old fark was awesome. I heard about cat shiatsu coffee two years before anyone else. It was all weird news stories from around the globe and insensitive ripping on lame people. Now it's all about religion bashing, gun grabbing, lol cats, boobies, wieners, etc. there are still some good threads, though, and photoshop was a nice addition

But no boobies. And also, the trolls back in those days were Mustakrakish types, not the meme LOL I TROLLED U types


True the boobies have flown south for the winter to foobieville. Miss a good heckling too
 
2013-01-15 01:24:25 AM
I wonder if there is a comparable study with nicotine?
 
2013-01-15 01:31:54 AM

mjbok: Brainsick: Some people benefit from regular cannabis use. Using it to excess can lead to problems. Only one of these is true of alcohol, and yet I bet you have no problem with "drunkers"...

I could swear that a glass of redwine a day was good for your heart (or some other benefit). Actually a quick google search (yes, I know that means it HAS to be true) shows that moderate alcohol use does have benefits.


Yep. One drink. Anything over that is harmful (if you want to be exacting.)

I personally have as big an issue with drunks as I do with potheads. Fark yourself up all you want (it's your life and I have no intention of telling you what to do with it), but keep your idiotic behavior to yourself and don't make anyone clean up after you.

/also hate the smell.
 
2013-01-15 01:32:06 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: signaljammer: Even Einstein had help; ever hear of Tullio Levi-Civita?

So no contribution is original unless the scientist invented math?



I avoid such strong terms as 'originality' whenever possible. Math helpers deserves a tip of the hat in the footnotes, IMHO.
 
2013-01-15 01:33:53 AM
'deserve' sorry
 
2013-01-15 01:39:36 AM

amquelbettamin: Fano: amquelbettamin: Yeah old fark was awesome. I heard about cat shiatsu coffee two years before anyone else. It was all weird news stories from around the globe and insensitive ripping on lame people. Now it's all about religion bashing, gun grabbing, lol cats, boobies, wieners, etc. there are still some good threads, though, and photoshop was a nice addition

But no boobies. And also, the trolls back in those days were Mustakrakish types, not the meme LOL I TROLLED U types

True the boobies have flown south for the winter to foobieville. Miss a good heckling too


All I know is that the Geek tab is a wretched place, every thread marginally tied to evolution is a debate on the existence and Providence of GOD. Apple/PC threads are twice a day. We can't have a single thread on space exploration, or any technology that doesn't revolve around life extension that isn't instantly threadshiat by one person, who rarely shows up in threads about life extension.
 
2013-01-15 01:40:43 AM
If you want to refute or confirm god, you first have to define the term.

If you want to chat with god, I recommend deemer. He has been getting rather petulant with those who don't have a good question for him ready when they do make the encounter, though, lately, I must advise.
 
2013-01-15 02:21:10 AM
It isn't that only stupid people smoke weed, it is that smart people know to avoid the stigma.
 
2013-01-15 02:31:15 AM
When I am smoking regularly my IQ drops by about 10 points when sober - my gut estimate based on my self-perception of mental agility, scores in mental puzzle games against the clock, etc.

/ from 150 to 140
// when stoned, effective IQ can be much, much less :)
 
2013-01-15 02:39:56 AM

ParaHandy: When I am smoking regularly my IQ drops by about 10 points when sober - my gut estimate based on my self-perception of mental agility, scores in mental puzzle games against the clock, etc.

/ from 150 to 140
// when stoned, effective IQ can be much, much less :)


Perhaps.  But can you measure how much easier you are to get along with when you're high?  I'd sacrifice 10 points from each individual in society for an easier to live with individual.

\also, some of the smartest people are the biggest assholes.
 
2013-01-15 02:42:10 AM
Well that's just, like, your opinion, man.
 
2013-01-15 03:05:34 AM

tshauk: The All-Powerful Atheismo: tshauk:
Love Carl, but he was a story teller.  Deeply versed in the language of science, but made no contributions to empirical science.

Bzzzt wrong

Maybe he wasn't an Einstein but he made significant contributions before his popular writing days.

And what would those contributions be?  Original empirical scientific offerings?  Show us one original Carl Sagan.


Your parents must be so proud.
 
2013-01-15 03:16:26 AM
So that's why I.Q. tests were deemed a myth a few weeks ago.
 
2013-01-15 04:55:42 AM
I rather think it affects physical acuity more. I always feel more enlightened after a toke, yet less likely to carry my discoveries to fruition.
/but, maybe that's just me
//DNRTFA
///nor the comments; apologies in advance for repeats
 
2013-01-15 05:14:39 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-15 05:15:08 AM

kruppz: So that's why I.Q. tests were deemed a myth a few weeks ago.


From further reading, including the release by UWO itself, this seems to be focused on corroborating what is known in research rather than bringing any shattering revelations to light. Will check into the study shortly, but I am imagining the release and articles suffer from basic misconceptions about intelligence testing, and therefore whatever information gleaned from the study are placed through this filter. No one in the research believes IQ is a measure of all intelligence, but IQ is a good measure of some facet of intelligence, receives reliable and valid scoring, and higher IQ is strongly correlated with higher universal aptitudes while higher specific aptitudes are strongly correlated with higher IQ.

The ideas IQ represents nothing of intelligence and IQ represents everything of intelligence are both quite and, for my field, painfully wrong, but the former is further wrong.

Ayn Rand's Social Worker: I always wondered about what the best ways to test other forms of intelligence than IQ.


Let me break from this notion of there being "other forms of intelligence" because what you follow with seems taken from Gardner MI theory. Not to say intelligence is a singular construct, but rather than being distinct forms of intelligence, there are subsets which are related and interact. Will assume you are an educator since this seems to be where MI theory and learning styles take root, and allow me to say abandon the idea those are distinct forms of intelligence or learning; rather, there are several basic means to convey information in education (kinesthetic, tactile, reading, visual, auditory, verbal) and some people have pronounced domains which are favored by the environment and physiology. Gardner is intelligent and thought-provoking, but as a theory of intelligence his ideas fail due to g-theory which has broad acceptance and is compatible with theories of intelligence such as Triarchic by Sternberg. You do not have a bad musical intelligence, you have little development of the components for music such as rhythm and fine motor skills, and you do not have a good kinesthetic intelligence, you have advanced psychomotor development which could be said to cover gross motor skills and athleticism (notice, "psychomotor" is not a form of intelligence isolated in neurology but a general domain which helps us discuss subsets of aptitudes).

As to the actual question, intelligence testing of any type relates to development. We expect people of this age to consistently grapple with abstractions, motor function, sensory processing, etc., of this complexity, and this provides us a measure of intelligence. Several instruments do quite well identifying people who are extremely talented musicians or athletes but who do not perform in academic or memory tasks because those are taken into account. We could develop objective measures easily for a majority of aptitudes such as music (similarity and consistency of rhythm and tone on an instrument) or athletics (hand-eye coordination tasks and general athleticism), but the issue is those are extremely targeted and would require generations to resolve with the current matrices. I find my musically talented students perform well on the WISC, and when not, I sign off all the same; intelligence identifiers only matter as long as the world, such as education system, reacts.
 
2013-01-15 07:59:55 AM
I smoke every day. I feel like I'm pretty sharp but I'm also not concerned with some IQ number that someone else assigns, nor someone who makes their entire judgement of someone's intelligence/worth by their hobby or habit. I know plenty of smart dudes who smoke. I know plenty of smart dudes who watch wrestling. You could probably engineer a study that shows on average, wrestling fans have 2 points lower IQ or something. Who gives a shiat.

I enjoy it for playing video games, listening to tunes, reading, hobby programming or whatever else. Don't like it for social situations as I find myself wishing for more peace and quiet to draw or something, and certainly don't mix it with my job. I think anyone interested in seeing things a little differently should consider trying it at least once, obviously it isn't for everyone but it can be a fun experience if you've never tried any drugs before. If you don't like it, the world keeps turning.

tekneex: Pot eh?

[pbs.twimg.com image 600x338]


Came for Walter Bishop, leaving satisfied!

/can't wait for Friday
 
2013-01-15 08:38:07 AM

Mr. Eugenides: Either way potheads are just plain dumber than the rest of the population so does it matter?


You forgot to quote your source:

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-01-15 08:39:55 AM

Ayn Rand's Social Worker: IQ: 169
Academic Decathlon Sweepstakes winner, Scholastic Division
National Merit Scholar

Smoked pot three times in high school, got caught each time, by the cops, my parents, and school, respectively.

Didn't toke up again until second semester sophomore year. Was pothead (smoked and played lots of video games and watched movies) for two years of college, graduated with shiatty GPA.

Stopped smoking again for a few years. Came back to it to help me work out, stretch, and dance. Now its a stimulant. Use much less frequently, get incredibly creative after smoking and stretching. Was totally doing it wrong in college.

There is a reason why Michael Phelps, the Canadian Snowboard Team, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and many other elite level athletes smoke cannabis. Its because it is a ridiculous stimulant when combined with anaerobic exercise to mover the cannabinoids through their metabolic pathways and an acidic catalyser to disengage all the sticky molecules and allow them to seek out the cannabinoid receptors throughout the peripheral nervous system. It awakens an incredible amount of lasting energy, not just kinetic energy, but creativity coupled with rhythm, balance, and extremity-eye coordination.

Its not widely known or appreciated, sadly, but its an incredibly awesome way to use the herb. Try it sometime...



THIS.

Used properly it is an amazing tool.
 
2013-01-15 10:46:12 AM

Mr. Eugenides: Rufus Lee King: Ok, I'm going to liven this moribund thread up a bit.

I don't normally like to admit this, but about thirty years ago, I consumed enough LSD to make Hunter Thompson look like a Boy Scout.

I didn't actually see God, but I heard Him.

Sort of a "Universal Dial Tone", if you will.

God exists.

Well, about 30 years ago I consumed enough mushrooms to be able to see the entire universe through all of space and time. What you heard was actually a dial tone because while you were able to lift the receiver, your fingers had melted to the point that you couldn't dial. Oh, and there is no god.


you guys, chill, i'm ok you're ok, 20 days ago i drunk enough brawdo to be be able to think real deep and stuff, and i picked up a phone to order a pizza but accidentally and dialed the universe and somethin

half of god exists, maybe
 
2013-01-15 11:42:49 AM

Omahawg: what a lifetime of maryjane abuse causes

[img2.timeinc.net image 180x240]


to be a funny bastard?

ftfy
 
2013-01-15 11:54:32 AM

I drunk what: i picked up a phone to order a pizza but accidentally and dialed the universe and somethin

half of god exists, maybe


I hope it's the meat-lover's half
 
2013-01-15 12:21:35 PM

sxacho: I drunk what: i picked up a phone to order a pizza but accidentally and dialed the universe and somethin

half of god exists, maybe

I hope it's the meat-lover's half


I giggled.
 
2013-01-15 12:52:44 PM

SpectroBoy: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: IQ: 169
Academic Decathlon Sweepstakes winner, Scholastic Division
National Merit Scholar

Smoked pot three times in high school, got caught each time, by the cops, my parents, and school, respectively.

Didn't toke up again until second semester sophomore year. Was pothead (smoked and played lots of video games and watched movies) for two years of college, graduated with shiatty GPA.

Stopped smoking again for a few years. Came back to it to help me work out, stretch, and dance. Now its a stimulant. Use much less frequently, get incredibly creative after smoking and stretching. Was totally doing it wrong in college.

There is a reason why Michael Phelps, the Canadian Snowboard Team, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and many other elite level athletes smoke cannabis. Its because it is a ridiculous stimulant when combined with anaerobic exercise to mover the cannabinoids through their metabolic pathways and an acidic catalyser to disengage all the sticky molecules and allow them to seek out the cannabinoid receptors throughout the peripheral nervous system. It awakens an incredible amount of lasting energy, not just kinetic energy, but creativity coupled with rhythm, balance, and extremity-eye coordination.

Its not widely known or appreciated, sadly, but its an incredibly awesome way to use the herb. Try it sometime...


THIS.

Used properly it is an amazing tool.


OK, I haven't actually smoked up in a long time, but after reading the above I'm gonna give that a try. Lucky me, I live in New New Amsterdam Washington State. Thanks for the tip!
 
2013-01-15 12:55:41 PM
1. Higher than average childhood IQs inevitably regress at least a bit toward the mean as subjects age.
2. Most of the people minimizing the value of this study have a vested interest in the status quo.
3. Gov't officials from the Surgeon General on down have made false negative statements about drugs in the past, claiming that "anything", apparently including outright fabrication, is acceptable if it supports government policy.
4. Televising Honey farking Boo-Boo has killed more brain cells than all the pot in the world.
5. Smart people smoke pot so they can put up with all you damned idiots.
 
2013-01-15 01:45:59 PM

MrEricSir: IQ tests are meaningless for this sort of thing. What you should do is give someone a piece of fruit, some wax paper, an empty CD case, some string, and a can of soup. Tell them to make a bong out of it.

I guarantee you, your average stoner will pass this test with flying colors.


I can make 2 bongs out of that
 
2013-01-15 03:18:28 PM

trappedspirit: The All-Powerful Atheismo: I just get annoyed by the biggest-IQ-dick competitions that happen in these types of threads. And not because I'm jealous. I qualified for Mensa and test around 150 or so, not that that means anything.

Smart. You found a way to get that out there.


Heh. I don't care. My purpose was to state that I'm not "jealous".
 
2013-01-15 08:04:29 PM

Vangor: kruppz: So that's why I.Q. tests were deemed a myth a few weeks ago.

From further reading, including the release by UWO itself, this seems to be focused on corroborating what is known in research rather than bringing any shattering revelations to light. Will check into the study shortly, but I am imagining the release and articles suffer from basic misconceptions about intelligence testing, and therefore whatever information gleaned from the study are placed through this filter. No one in the research believes IQ is a measure of all intelligence, but IQ is a good measure of some facet of intelligence, receives reliable and valid scoring, and higher IQ is strongly correlated with higher universal aptitudes while higher specific aptitudes are strongly correlated with higher IQ.

The ideas IQ represents nothing of intelligence and IQ represents everything of intelligence are both quite and, for my field, painfully wrong, but the former is further wrong.

Ayn Rand's Social Worker: I always wondered about what the best ways to test other forms of intelligence than IQ.

Let me break from this notion of there being "other forms of intelligence" because what you follow with seems taken from Gardner MI theory. Not to say intelligence is a singular construct, but rather than being distinct forms of intelligence, there are subsets which are related and interact. Will assume you are an educator since this seems to be where MI theory and learning styles take root, and allow me to say abandon the idea those are distinct forms of intelligence or learning; rather, there are several basic means to convey information in education (kinesthetic, tactile, reading, visual, auditory, verbal) and some people have pronounced domains which are favored by the environment and physiology. Gardner is intelligent and thought-provoking, but as a theory of intelligence his ideas fail due to g-theory which has broad acceptance and is compatible with theories of intelligence such as Triarchic by Ste ...


Vangor: kruppz: So that's why I.Q. tests were deemed a myth a few weeks ago.

From further reading, including the release by UWO itself, this seems to be focused on corroborating what is known in research rather than bringing any shattering revelations to light. Will check into the study shortly, but I am imagining the release and articles suffer from basic misconceptions about intelligence testing, and therefore whatever information gleaned from the study are placed through this filter. No one in the research believes IQ is a measure of all intelligence, but IQ is a good measure of some facet of intelligence, receives reliable and valid scoring, and higher IQ is strongly correlated with higher universal aptitudes while higher specific aptitudes are strongly correlated with higher IQ.

The ideas IQ represents nothing of intelligence and IQ represents everything of intelligence are both quite and, for my field, painfully wrong, but the former is further wrong.

Ayn Rand's Social Worker: I always wondered about what the best ways to test other forms of intelligence than IQ.

Let me break from this notion of there being "other forms of intelligence" because what you follow with seems taken from Gardner MI theory. Not to say intelligence is a singular construct, but rather than being distinct forms of intelligence, there are subsets which are related and interact. Will assume you are an educator since this seems to be where MI theory and learning styles take root, and allow me to say abandon the idea those are distinct forms of intelligence or learning; rather, there are several basic means to convey information in education (kinesthetic, tactile, reading, visual, auditory, verbal) and some people have pronounced domains which are favored by the environment and physiology. Gardner is intelligent and thought-provoking, but as a theory of intelligence his ideas fail due to g-theory which has broad acceptance and is compatible with theories of intelligence such as Triarchic by Ste ...


Touche! I hadn't read about Gardner being debunked, when I was presented the information on MI back in college it was treated as though it had undergone and passed peer review. Looks like thats not the case. I am heartened to see that IQ is now more textured to the point where it can be used to describe more aptitudes that merely logic, language, and spatial.

Much as I'd like to believe it, maybe we're not all geniuses in some way...
 
2013-01-15 09:36:09 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Is it somehow controversial that smoking pot leads to decreased mental acuity?


Not among morons.

tshauk: mjbok: I think one major factor is the amount. Just like someone that has a glass of wine at dinner or maybe a beer a couple of times a week is impacted differently than someone who has a bottle or a six pack every day.

I've known people that the change in intelligence over years was very noticeable who smoked pot everyday. Wake and bake, lunch and bake, bake night snack. Not the same level of intelligence after years of that.

Nailed It.


Is that what happened to you?
 
2013-01-15 10:13:36 PM
So let me see if I have this correct.

There's a drug that you take that injects smoke into your lungs, diminishing lung capacity, reducing oxygen capacity of the blood, and ultimately starving the brain.

Heck, if I can do all that and break even in the IQ department, it's gotta be some sort of wonder drug.
 
2013-01-15 10:55:38 PM
Potheads are generally anti-authoritarians. (Why Anti-authoritarian are Diagnosed Mentally ill)

Way back in high school, I filled in my multiple choice I.Q. test in about three minutes. They said the word "provincial" before the test. I didn't want "them" knowing how smart I was. I made a nice wavy pattern.
 
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