This was in New Zealand. I mean can you really notice a difference between an IQ of potato and cabbage?

Mr. Eugenides: Either way potheads are just plain dumber than the rest of the population so does it matter?

Can't be any more stupid that a man who makes up boobsrgood: Rufus Lee King: boobsrgood: Rufus Lee King: boobsrgood: Even long-term LSD use leaves your cognitive abilities in tact.

Ok, that's classic.

Or maybe you are just terribly misinformed. I've dropped 100's of times, done mdma, smoked pounds of weed, and gone on year-long benders of coke and meth.The last thirty years have basically been a chemical carnival. I can still do calculus, write in Latin, and pass most of the tests from college classes I took 30 years ago. And I am not that unusual.

Exitus in dubio est... "in tact"

Retention isn't really a measure of IQ, but processing is. I know people who are a lot smarter than I am and have done more drugs than I have. Some of them preform highly demanding cognitive processes on a daily basis, such as troubleshooting and analysis. It's pure mythology (propaganda, actually) that drugs make you dumb. If you are dumb, it's because you have always been dumb, not because you get high.

Actually, retention IS one COMPONENT of I.Q. There are many components in standard I.Q. tests, such as the Wechsler (WAIS) test battery. The component of *WAIS (the most widely used I.Q. test battery) testing memory, i.e. retention, are the subtests measuring the Working Memory Index (e.g. digit-span test, mental arithmetic).

*(Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale)

Rufus Lee King: Ok, I'm going to liven this moribund thread up a bit.

I don't normally like to admit this, but about thirty years ago, I consumed enough LSD to make Hunter Thompson look like a Boy Scout.

I didn't actually see God, but I heard Him.

Sort of a "Universal Dial Tone", if you will.

God exists.

Well, about 30 years ago I consumed enough mushrooms to be able to see the entire universe through all of space and time. What you heard was actually a dial tone because while you were able to lift the receiver, your fingers had melted to the point that you couldn't dial. Oh, and there is no god.

Brainsick: Break the CD`case and use the shards to carve out a pipe using the fruit. Unless it's an orange or something shiatty like that...

/not technically a 'bong', but you can smoke out of it

I guess you wouldn't pass the test then. But then neither would I unless the can of soup was the new kind with the pull-tab to open it. Otherwise I don't think I could do it.

Didn't they do this once on Junkyard Wars?

sxacho: Hagbardr: MrEricSir: IQ tests are meaningless for this sort of thing. What you should do is give someone a piece of fruit, some wax paper, an empty CD case, some string, and a can of soup. Tell them to make a bong out of it.

I guarantee you, your average stoner will pass this test with flying colors.

Are those the only objects allowed, or are we allowed to use tools as long as they don't end up in the final product?

I think I could make a passable, not totally airtight, probably toxic bong with just this stuff and a lighter to help bend/melt the cd case. But I'd have a lighter anyway, so I wouldn't count it as extra. A pocketknife would be nice but I think I'd be able to do it without.

Without tools: bend the can lid into a scoop shape. Use scoop to carve a bowl and smoke channels into the apple. Use cd case or wax paper to sort out stems and seeds.

Mr. Eugenides: Rufus Lee King: Ok, I'm going to liven this moribund thread up a bit.

I don't normally like to admit this, but about thirty years ago, I consumed enough LSD to make Hunter Thompson look like a Boy Scout.

I didn't actually see God, but I heard Him.

Sort of a "Universal Dial Tone", if you will.

God exists.

Well, about 30 years ago I consumed enough mushrooms to be able to see the entire universe through all of space and time. What you heard was actually a dial tone because while you were able to lift the receiver, your fingers had melted to the point that you couldn't dial. Oh, and there is no god.

Pffffft.....the massive quantity of Jimson Weed tea I consumed one night in the Mojave desert would like you to know you're both wrong; life exists because we exist and that's the joke! The sound you heard was an echo of the original HaHa.

When I was in high school there was this cartoony egghead kid that talked like Mr. Spock. I was the stoner burnout that used to constantly outscore him in every test. Did he ever despise me.

/End CSB.

Mr. Eugenides: Rufus Lee King: Ok, I'm going to liven this moribund thread up a bit.

I don't normally like to admit this, but about thirty years ago, I consumed enough LSD to make Hunter Thompson look like a Boy Scout.

I didn't actually see God, but I heard Him.

Sort of a "Universal Dial Tone", if you will.

God exists.

Well, about 30 years ago I consumed enough mushrooms to be able to see the entire universe through all of space and time. What you heard was actually a dial tone because while you were able to lift the receiver, your fingers had melted to the point that you couldn't dial. Oh, and there is no god.

Sure there is a god. Don't be so narrow-minded.

tshauk: Entertainer, POTHEAD

There doesn't seem to be a link between pot smoking and decreased IQ. However, there is a very strong correlation between TotalFark and trolling.

Reads article. Duke sucks.

Omahawg: The All-Powerful Atheismo: tshauk: The All-Powerful Atheismo: tshauk: Yes; Great author, great orator, great entertainer.  I love the guy!  Name us a SINGLE original empirical Sagan offering to science.  Not one of his many and brilliantly explained exposition on other scientists.

Since you're a lazy jackass:

Scientific achievements

Sagan's contributions were central to the discovery of the high surface temperatures of the planet Venus. In the early 1960s no one knew for certain the basic conditions of that planet's surface, and Sagan listed the possibilities in a report later depicted for popularization in a Time-Life book, Planets. His own view was that Venus was dry and very hot as opposed to the balmy paradise others had imagined. He had investigated radio emissions from Venus and concluded that there was a surface temperature of 500 °C (900 °F). As a visiting scientist to NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, he contributed to the first Mariner missions to Venus, working on the design and management of the project. Mariner 2 confirmed his conclusions on the surface conditions of Venus in 1962.
Sagan was among the first to hypothesize that Saturn's moon Titan might possess oceans of liquid compounds on its surface and that Jupiter's moon Europa might possess subsurface oceans of water. This would make Europa potentially habitable.[15] Europa's subsurface ocean of water was later indirectly confirmed by the spacecraft Galileo. The mystery of Titan's reddish haze was also solved with Sagan's help. The reddish haze was revealed to be due to complex organic molecules constantly raining down onto Titan's surface.[16]
He further contributed insights regarding the atmospheres of Venus and Jupiter as well as seasonal changes on Mars. He also perceived global warming as a growing, man-made danger and likened it to the natural development of Venus into a hot, life-hostile planet through a kind of runaway greenhouse effect. Sagan and his Cornell colleague Edwin Ernest Salpe ...

HELL YAH!

Salvage 1!! That show was awesome. I wonder how bad it would suck these days. Even TPB doesn't have it.

johnphantom: Ug, my IQ is 146. I smoked pot a lot since I was 12; I am 43 now. I sometimes wish my IQ was lower so I wouldn't see things the way I do.

Mine is a muscular 154. I am smart, much smarter than you!

IQ: 169
Academic Decathlon Sweepstakes winner, Scholastic Division
National Merit Scholar

Smoked pot three times in high school, got caught each time, by the cops, my parents, and school, respectively.

Didn't toke up again until second semester sophomore year. Was pothead (smoked and played lots of video games and watched movies) for two years of college, graduated with shiatty GPA.

Stopped smoking again for a few years. Came back to it to help me work out, stretch, and dance. Now its a stimulant. Use much less frequently, get incredibly creative after smoking and stretching. Was totally doing it wrong in college.

There is a reason why Michael Phelps, the Canadian Snowboard Team, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and many other elite level athletes smoke cannabis. Its because it is a ridiculous stimulant when combined with anaerobic exercise to mover the cannabinoids through their metabolic pathways and an acidic catalyser to disengage all the sticky molecules and allow them to seek out the cannabinoid receptors throughout the peripheral nervous system. It awakens an incredible amount of lasting energy, not just kinetic energy, but creativity coupled with rhythm, balance, and extremity-eye coordination.

Its not widely known or appreciated, sadly, but its an incredibly awesome way to use the herb. Try it sometime...

It's not called DOPE because it makes you SMARTER.

Smoking ANYTHING is bad for you.

Marijuana users often (not always) become lethargic and apathetic. Like every generalization, there will be exceptions. Your mileage may vary, as they say. But generally, long term continuous use of anything consumed by smoking it cannot be good for the lungs.

And, because of the restriction of bloodflow caused by the smoke, some damage to the brain is predictable.

I am ambivalent about legalization, concerned about the billions pi$$ed away on police and prisons, and more interested in educating the public about the risks of smoking ANYTHING.

And, no, I do not drink alcohol.

I would open the can of soup, and punch a big hole in the side, maybe 1.5 inches in diameter. Then I'd drill a hole through the fruit, and cut the outside down to fit the can and to serve as bowl and stem.

/no dummy

tshauk: Inviting someone out of the conversation is a certain declaration of ones ignorance of the point.  Feel free to take that however you might understand it.

Wow.. full-on conflation of 'evaluation' and 'attack ad hominem', done in a way that demonstrates your inability to do the former and tendency to indulge in the latter, and only slightly over the character limit for a tweet.

Your short-form stupidity is much superior to the longer stuff. That's a gift you should cultivate.

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." -- Thomas Paine

Brainsick: semantics

How is that semantics? I know you said you should have said tobacco (but given that you later use the term drunkards your train of thought was about alcohol), but completely refuting what you said is not semantics.

I would rather deal with someone who is high than someone who is drunk.

I think weed should be legal, but I think it should be taxed at levels that would make it more expensive than it currently is.

A study I read recently had some interesting points. It said casual users suffered no long-term effects. Any effects on casual users was more about new memory building rather than existing memory retention or recall. Heavy users did show signs of long term effects. Heavy user was defined as someone who smokes 7 or more times a week.

There are positives to it, there are (potential) negatives to it. Most of the short-term negatives have more to do with delivery mechanism than the drug itself (solved by vaping I would guess). However in many of these threads people unequivocally state that there are absolutely no negatives to smoking pot. It is safe to drive when you're stoned. I smoked five times a day for ten years and suffered no ill effects.

They will cherry pick data from studies that bolster their argument and ignore data from the same studies that isn't lockstep in line with their line of reasoning. I gave a link to a study that was endorsed (not done) by NORML that was accepted for its positive conclusions and dismissed for its negative conclusions.

Marijuana is not the boogie-main/reefer madness that the government tried to "teach" us about from elementary school all the way through adulthood, but it is not all puppies and rainbows either.

At the end of the day, whether right or wrong it is still illegal. Doesn't mean I haven't smoked it, but still it's illegal. I hate the mindset of many pot smokers. Example: I was at a concert. Lit up a cigarette. Guy behind me threw a fit. Five minutes later the same guy lit up a joint. Both were illegal, but what I did was less illegal.

//Legalize it.
///Tax the fark out of it
////And make it so you can't smoke it anywhere, just like tobacco

The All-Powerful Atheismo: I just get annoyed by the biggest-IQ-dick competitions that happen in these types of threads. And not because I'm jealous. I qualified for Mensa and test around 150 or so, not that that means anything.

Smart. You found a way to get that out there.

I have an IQ of 173.

That's why I spend my evenings posting anonymously on internet forums rather than going out and doing something productive.

I just made this thred quite a bit smaller. Any guesses how?
:)

Vangor: The All-Powerful Atheismo: If you're that smart you should know that such a specific IQ number is meaningless

Not meaningless, but not a precise descriptor of all cognitive ability either. I would say, of the qualms you posed, the nature of "intelligence" is the major concern surrounding intelligence testing today. Instruments have become far less biased, do provide reliable results, and measure a variety of facets of intelligence as standard. What still emerges as bias is historical levels of affluence which afford greater or lesser amounts of mental stimulation, essential as intelligence is developmental. Singular assessments are not to be trusted as precise but are useful diagnostically, and proper training with any instrument will allow you to note issues which would question any results (especially relevant for my assessment of children). Plus, I know of a dozen instruments, and none of them measure a single facet; KBIT is the simplest for estimation and covers two scores with two subcategories each.

I always wondered about what the best ways to test other forms of intelligence than IQ. For example, my musical intelligence is shiat, I have what my piano teacher kindly described as a "natural syncopation", meaning I can't hold a beat for shiat. So classical piano was almost impossible for me to do, but jazz fit me nicely. But then years later, I started doing break dancing and martial arts, and turns out my kinesthetic intelligence is phenomenal and my inability to incorporate steady classical rhythms is actually a huge positive in improvisational dance...

I also like thinking that we overly focus on the intelligence inside our brains, and not enough in our entire neural net. The kind of brilliance it takes to make the millisecond adjustments to juke a 250 lb lineman, or the muscle memory it takes to throw a bowling ball into the sweet spot or hit a golf ball into the wind within 15 feet of the pin or shoot a sniper rifle a thousand feet are all types of intelligence.

I guess sports and games are how we measure them...

Smackledorfer: I just made this thred quite a bit smaller. Any guesses how?

You dropped the a in thread?

Rufus Lee King: Let me start off by saying that I'm all for legalization of weed.

Let me now tell you why I don't smoke it any more:

Some guys can smoke all night and maintain some semblance of actual human thought; maybe turn into Albert Einstein or something.

Me, I'm not one of those guys. I turn into Bobo the Simpleminded.

Like "End of the World" stupid.

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Did you ever try smoking and then working out or dancing? I know it seems counter-intuitive, but your body responds in a completely different way.

Protip: Drink something acidic to cut the cottonmouth, then watch as you have energy for the next 5 hours...

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Is it somehow controversial that smoking pot leads to decreased mental acuity?

This is news?

To a stoner, everything is news, every time they hear it.

"Wait, you mean you dropped out?"

"I graduated in 1997, Steve."

Mr. Eugenides: Either way potheads are just plain dumber than the rest of the population so does it matter?
Bad troll is bad.

Anyway...
The article doesn't say anything whatsoever about the average IQ in relation to "pothead" IQ. It just says it dropped.

According to this new research done by some stoner though the decline is the same as when correlated with various socioeconomic and racial factors. This should at least make everyone rethink the original study.

mjbok: Smackledorfer: I just made this thred quite a bit smaller. Any guesses how?

You dropped the a in thread?

Lmao.

Nice.

Now, I have seen pot make people paranoid, I've seen it make them manic. Sometimes pot magnifies personality, and if you happen to be an idiot to begin with, well, there you go.

This thread sucks.

IQ dick waving + bad trolling = welcometonewfark. You use to be cool, Fark.

/Fark must be the luckiest site on the Internet to have so many genius level IQs (who no doubt also have huge penises and multiple model girlfriends from Canada) visiting

Smackledorfer: Lmao.

Nice.

Was too easy to pass up. Before I proofread mine I had dropped one of the "p"s in dropped.

js34603: This thread sucks.

IQ dick waving + bad trolling = welcometonewfark. You use to be cool, Fark.

/Fark must be the luckiest site on the Internet to have so many genius level IQs (who no doubt also have huge penises and multiple model girlfriends from Canada) visiting

I can get you huge Canadian 'girls' WITH genius penises, does that count?

Yeah old fark was awesome. I heard about cat shiatsu coffee two years before anyone else. It was all weird news stories from around the globe and insensitive ripping on lame people. Now it's all about religion bashing, gun grabbing, lol cats, boobies, wieners, etc. there are still some good threads, though, and photoshop was a nice addition

belhade: The All-Powerful Atheismo: tshauk: Yes; Great author, great orator, great entertainer.  I love the guy!  Name us a SINGLE original empirical Sagan offering to science.  Not one of his many and brilliantly explained exposition on other scientists.

Since you're a lazy jackass:

Scientific achievements

Sagan's contributions were central to the discovery of the high surface temperatures of the planet Venus. In the early 1960s no one knew for certain the basic conditions of that planet's surface, and Sagan listed the possibilities in a report later depicted for popularization in a Time-Life book, Planets. His own view was that Venus was dry and very hot as opposed to the balmy paradise others had imagined. He had investigated radio emissions from Venus and concluded that there was a surface temperature of 500 °C (900 °F). As a visiting scientist to NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, he contributed to the first Mariner missions to Venus, working on the design and management of the project. Mariner 2 confirmed his conclusions on the surface conditions of Venus in 1962.
Sagan was among the first to hypothesize that Saturn's moon Titan might possess oceans of liquid compounds on its surface and that Jupiter's moon Europa might possess subsurface oceans of water. This would make Europa potentially habitable.[15] Europa's subsurface ocean of water was later indirectly confirmed by the spacecraft Galileo. The mystery of Titan's reddish haze was also solved with Sagan's help. The reddish haze was revealed to be due to complex organic molecules constantly raining down onto Titan's surface.[16]
He further contributed insights regarding the atmospheres of Venus and Jupiter as well as seasonal changes on Mars. He also perceived global warming as a growing, man-made danger and likened it to the natural development of Venus into a hot, life-hostile planet through a kind of runaway greenhouse effect. Sagan and his Cornell colleague Edwin Ernest Salpeter speculated about life in Jupite ...

Annnnnnnd plonk.

FTFA "the IQ trend might have emerged from differences among the study participants in socioeconomic factors like income, education and occupation".

So, are they sayingFrom my undestanding/POV why cant this be happening:
Lower IQ results in lower income
Lower IQ results in lower education
Lower IQ results in working class occupations
Lower IQ results in stupid decisions like... regularly smoking weed.

justbob2000: johnphantom: Ug, my IQ is 146. I smoked pot a lot since I was 12; I am 43 now. I sometimes wish my IQ was lower so I wouldn't see things the way I do.


I once heard that it is very hard to converse with someone with a 40 point difference in IQ. Mine is 136 and I teach middle school. I sometimes do not know how some of these kids don't poke themselves in the eye while eating cereal.

I have a ball-peen hammer. I could make it easier for you to converse with your students if you'd like.

tshauk.


Try again, shillbot/

johnphantom: Ug, my IQ is 146. I smoked pot a lot since I was 12; I am 43 now. I sometimes wish my IQ was lower so I wouldn't see things the way I do.

3/10 ... I think the last sentence lays it on a little too thick.

Jument: johnphantom: Ug, my IQ is 146. I smoked pot a lot since I was 12; I am 43 now. I sometimes wish my IQ was lower so I wouldn't see things the way I do.

3/10 ... I think the last sentence lays it on a little too thick.

If you read a little further along, I agreed that IQ tests are subjective and probably not a good indication of intelligence - especially creativity.

A link to the actual article in NATURE magazine, Link

sxacho: It doesn't seem like they said they proved or disproved anything one way or another, but rather said to the folks who did the first study, "Oh Look you forgot to take into account these various socioeconomic factors which have been shown to correlate with results similar to what you found".

And it further seems that this new information has been looked over by peers and people are largely saying, "Oh, yeah. I see what you mean. Hmmm."

Does it mean anything? Not necessarily. Is it reason to look closer at the original study? I think so.

Yes, but one of the big things that second guy missed was that those "socio-economic factors" include things like recreational drug use, even copious recreational drug use.

Basically: "Look! These copious users of weed from a certain class of socioeconomic factors have similar IQ drops to other people who live in those same socioeconomic factors and also smoke weed!"

/now if he had removed all the drug users from his sample, *then* it would have been interesting.

Fano: amquelbettamin: Yeah old fark was awesome. I heard about cat shiatsu coffee two years before anyone else. It was all weird news stories from around the globe and insensitive ripping on lame people. Now it's all about religion bashing, gun grabbing, lol cats, boobies, wieners, etc. there are still some good threads, though, and photoshop was a nice addition

But no boobies. And also, the trolls back in those days were Mustakrakish types, not the meme LOL I TROLLED U types

True the boobies have flown south for the winter to foobieville. Miss a good heckling too

mjbok: Brainsick: Some people benefit from regular cannabis use. Using it to excess can lead to problems. Only one of these is true of alcohol, and yet I bet you have no problem with "drunkers"...

I could swear that a glass of redwine a day was good for your heart (or some other benefit). Actually a quick google search (yes, I know that means it HAS to be true) shows that moderate alcohol use does have benefits.

Yep. One drink. Anything over that is harmful (if you want to be exacting.)

I personally have as big an issue with drunks as I do with potheads. Fark yourself up all you want (it's your life and I have no intention of telling you what to do with it), but keep your idiotic behavior to yourself and don't make anyone clean up after you.

/also hate the smell.

The All-Powerful Atheismo: signaljammer: Even Einstein had help; ever hear of Tullio Levi-Civita?

So no contribution is original unless the scientist invented math?


I avoid such strong terms as 'originality' whenever possible. Math helpers deserves a tip of the hat in the footnotes, IMHO.

'deserve' sorry