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2013-01-14 08:56:37 PM

tshauk: No, and neither can you. Move along now nitwit.


In the late 1950s the general scientific view was that the surface of Venus was relatively cool and that life of some sort might exist on the planet. Radio emissions had been observed and it was thought that they came from the activity of charged particles located in an atmospheric layer.
Sagan overturned these ideas in 1961 by showing that the emissions could be caused by a very hot surface temperature, over 300 degrees Centigrade (572 degrees Fahrenheit), in which life could not exist. He said the high temperatures were caused by a "greenhouse effect," in which the sun's heat was trapped between the planet's surface and its carbon dioxide cloud cover. These ideas were confirmed by an exploratory space vehicle sent to Venus by the Soviet Union in 1967. link
 
2013-01-14 08:56:50 PM

mjbok: I think one major factor is the amount. Just like someone that has a glass of wine at dinner or maybe a beer a couple of times a week is impacted differently than someone who has a bottle or a six pack every day.

I've known people that the change in intelligence over years was very noticeable who smoked pot everyday. Wake and bake, lunch and bake, bake night snack. Not the same level of intelligence after years of that.


Nailed It.
 
2013-01-14 08:57:30 PM

tshauk: No, and neither can you.  Move along now nitwit.


Jesus christ. you're trolling or monumentally stupid. you ask for original scientific achievements, are given several, and you ignore it.
 
2013-01-14 08:58:23 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: tshauk: No, and neither can you.  Move along now nitwit.

Jesus christ. you're trolling or monumentally stupid. you ask for original scientific achievements, are given several, and you ignore it.


It's what trolls do
 
2013-01-14 08:58:40 PM

tshauk: The All-Powerful Atheismo: tshauk: Yes; Great author, great orator, great entertainer.  I love the guy!  Name us a SINGLE original empirical Sagan offering to science.  Not one of his many and brilliantly explained exposition on other scientists.

Since you're a lazy jackass:

Scientific achievements

Sagan's contributions were central to the discovery of the high surface temperatures of the planet Venus. In the early 1960s no one knew for certain the basic conditions of that planet's surface, and Sagan listed the possibilities in a report later depicted for popularization in a Time-Life book, Planets. His own view was that Venus was dry and very hot as opposed to the balmy paradise others had imagined. He had investigated radio emissions from Venus and concluded that there was a surface temperature of 500 °C (900 °F). As a visiting scientist to NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, he contributed to the first Mariner missions to Venus, working on the design and management of the project. Mariner 2 confirmed his conclusions on the surface conditions of Venus in 1962.
Sagan was among the first to hypothesize that Saturn's moon Titan might possess oceans of liquid compounds on its surface and that Jupiter's moon Europa might possess subsurface oceans of water. This would make Europa potentially habitable.[15] Europa's subsurface ocean of water was later indirectly confirmed by the spacecraft Galileo. The mystery of Titan's reddish haze was also solved with Sagan's help. The reddish haze was revealed to be due to complex organic molecules constantly raining down onto Titan's surface.[16]
He further contributed insights regarding the atmospheres of Venus and Jupiter as well as seasonal changes on Mars. He also perceived global warming as a growing, man-made danger and likened it to the natural development of Venus into a hot, life-hostile planet through a kind of runaway greenhouse effect. Sagan and his Cornell colleague Edwin Ernest Salpeter speculated about life in Jupite ...


Since you don't know how science works. All scientists contribute, none (or very few like Einstein) do all of the work on their own. In astrophysics speculation is where you have to start. If you don't think that Carl Sagan was a "real scientist" then there have only been an few dozen scientist in the history of earth.
 
2013-01-14 08:58:47 PM
Whatever the result of all of this, I think we can all agree that pot is not a good thing for a developing mind, and should be kept away from children under 18.

Which is why I only let my kids smoke meth.



You are running the risk of turning them into a buncha Paul Erdoses.
 
2013-01-14 08:59:01 PM

Omahawg: The All-Powerful Atheismo: tshauk: The All-Powerful Atheismo: tshauk: Yes; Great author, great orator, great entertainer.  I love the guy!  Name us a SINGLE original empirical Sagan offering to science.  Not one of his many and brilliantly explained exposition on other scientists.

Since you're a lazy jackass:

Scientific achievements

Sagan's contributions were central to the discovery of the high surface temperatures of the planet Venus. In the early 1960s no one knew for certain the basic conditions of that planet's surface, and Sagan listed the possibilities in a report later depicted for popularization in a Time-Life book, Planets. His own view was that Venus was dry and very hot as opposed to the balmy paradise others had imagined. He had investigated radio emissions from Venus and concluded that there was a surface temperature of 500 °C (900 °F). As a visiting scientist to NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, he contributed to the first Mariner missions to Venus, working on the design and management of the project. Mariner 2 confirmed his conclusions on the surface conditions of Venus in 1962.
Sagan was among the first to hypothesize that Saturn's moon Titan might possess oceans of liquid compounds on its surface and that Jupiter's moon Europa might possess subsurface oceans of water. This would make Europa potentially habitable.[15] Europa's subsurface ocean of water was later indirectly confirmed by the spacecraft Galileo. The mystery of Titan's reddish haze was also solved with Sagan's help. The reddish haze was revealed to be due to complex organic molecules constantly raining down onto Titan's surface.[16]
He further contributed insights regarding the atmospheres of Venus and Jupiter as well as seasonal changes on Mars. He also perceived global warming as a growing, man-made danger and likened it to the natural development of Venus into a hot, life-hostile planet through a kind of runaway greenhouse effect. Sagan and his Cornell colleague Edwin Ernest Salpe ...



As for "contributions", can you name one scientist who designed, built, and launched an interplanetary spacecraft by themselves?

Join the dunce in the corner.
 
2013-01-14 09:00:13 PM

mjbok: I think one major factor is the amount. Just like someone that has a glass of wine at dinner or maybe a beer a couple of times a week is impacted differently than someone who has a bottle or a six pack every day.

I've known people that the change in intelligence over years was very noticeable who smoked pot everyday. Wake and bake, lunch and bake, bake night snack. Not the same level of intelligence after years of that.


You feel that they should not have the same level of intelligence after that because you have been trained since birth to believe in the puritan ideal that pleasure must cause or be balanced by pain. Some things are just good and have no real consequences.
 
2013-01-14 09:00:19 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Also Mensa is full of the most arrogant, classist pricks I've ever seen,


The correct thing to do with Mensa types is to laugh and tell them it's "cute" that they're "just in Mensa." Then drop a hint that you're in an elite organization for people too smart for silly ol' Mensa.
 
2013-01-14 09:00:29 PM
Omahawg:

Not interplanetary, was it?
 
2013-01-14 09:00:48 PM
Our bodies function better after ingesting Cannabis. Cannabinoid receptors in the brain help to regulate brain activity...Link
 
2013-01-14 09:01:35 PM

MrEricSir: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Also Mensa is full of the most arrogant, classist pricks I've ever seen,

The correct thing to do with Mensa types is to laugh and tell them it's "cute" that they're "just in Mensa." Then drop a hint that you're in an elite organization for people too smart for silly ol' Mensa.


I'm a member of Super-Mensa.

You've probably never heard of it.
 
2013-01-14 09:01:56 PM
Even Einstein had help; ever hear of Tullio Levi-Civita?
 
2013-01-14 09:02:10 PM

lewismarktwo: You feel that they should not have the same level of intelligence after that because you have been trained since birth to believe in the puritan ideal that pleasure must cause or be balanced by pain. Some things are just good and have no real consequences.


No I see that they had no problem with Freshman Algebra, but had a hard time passing a simple elective class as a senior.
 
2013-01-14 09:04:30 PM

signaljammer: Even Einstein had help; ever hear of Tullio Levi-Civita?


So no contribution is original unless the scientist invented math?
 
2013-01-14 09:06:19 PM
Done in one.
 
2013-01-14 09:07:35 PM

SevenizGud: Done in one.


I have a graph of exactly 18 years of data, no more and no less, stating that this thread was not done in one.
 
2013-01-14 09:09:06 PM

Hitomi Tanaka's Paperweights: mochunk: As someone who is soon approaching 38. I have always felt my constant use of Marijuana between 14 and 16 did affect my mental and intellectual state from then on...

tshauk: Pot makes you stupid!  There is nothing to add; if you add anything to this statement of fact, you are indeed a pot smoker and very stupid so STFU.

Surely both of you (and others) realize that a lot of stoners smoke because we're surrounded by people significantly, and often, painfully dumber than ourselves? I mean, that's kind of the point - a little recreational stupidity makes you calmer, relaxed, and more apt to be able to deal with the monkey house into which you're born.


Don't go lumping me in with Mr. Alarmist Troll there because of being honest about my own perception of my exerpience. Especially when I wasn't even saying the same thing.

As someone else responded to this same post, maybe you could simply walk away from dumb people instead of wading in the deep end of derp and joining them. Seems to me the smart thing to do.


Besides, I mostly meant that my memory abilities had been affected. Which, admittedly I could have been more clear on.

However, I do indeed know many very smart and talented people who use pot to shut themselves down on a regular basis. Mostly very technical kernal hacker types who need the break. Sucks really to be that "on" all the time otherwise.
 
2013-01-14 09:09:40 PM
He was denied membership in the Academy, reportedly because his media activities made him unpopular with many other scientists.
Sagan again revealed his views on interstellar travel in his 1980 Cosmos series. In one of his last written works, Sagan argued that the chances of extraterrestrial spacecraft visiting Earth are vanishingly small. However, Sagan did think it plausible that Cold War concerns contributed to governments misleading their citizens about UFOs, and that "some UFO reports and analyses, and perhaps voluminous files, have been made inaccessible to the public which pays the bills...It's time for the files to be declassified and made generally available."

Entertainer, POTHEAD
 
2013-01-14 09:11:12 PM

Rufus Lee King: boobsrgood: Even long-term LSD use leaves your cognitive abilities in tact.

Ok, that's classic.


Or maybe you are just terribly misinformed. I've dropped 100's of times, done mdma, smoked pounds of weed, and gone on year-long benders of coke and meth.The last thirty years have basically been a chemical carnival. I can still do calculus, write in Latin, and pass most of the tests from college classes I took 30 years ago. And I am not that unusual.
 
2013-01-14 09:11:40 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Omahawg:

Not interplanetary, was it?


you know it's been so many bong hits since I last saw that show that I don't really remember.
 
2013-01-14 09:12:36 PM

Omahawg: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Omahawg:

Not interplanetary, was it?

you know it's been so many bong hits since I last saw that show that I don't really remember.


I see you are IQ-challenged
 
2013-01-14 09:12:59 PM

tshauk: Entertainer, POTHEAD


Your question about Carl Sagan was asked and answered. That was almost certainly not the kind of attention you were seeking but it's all we're willing to extend you.
 
2013-01-14 09:13:37 PM
tshauk:

Isn't it time for you to shut the fark up? You've been answered and disproved. You're not wanted.
 
2013-01-14 09:17:14 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Is it somehow controversial that smoking pot leads to decreased mental acuity?

This is news?


Yeah, it sure is. Because, according to the stoners, pot doesn't do anything to you at all and if you say otherwise they start to huff and puff and have another doobie and then huff and puff some more and have another joint and then huff and puff some more and then invoke the name of Carl Sagan.

Which, to a stoner, is all they need to prove their case. Unfortunately, the rest of us need a bit more proof.
 
2013-01-14 09:19:08 PM
Disproved?
Where? How?
Carl was awesome, no denying that.  However, to hold him up as an originator of scientific method and derivation, as well as; a POTHEAD, is misleading.
 
2013-01-14 09:21:38 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Omahawg: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Omahawg:

Not interplanetary, was it?

you know it's been so many bong hits since I last saw that show that I don't really remember.

I see you are IQ-challenged


hell, man, I don't remember the plot of every craptastic episode of knot's landing or three's company I watched growing up either.

IQ level is fine. This thread seems filled with fun-haters who likely have little qualms of chugging a 12 pack a day of natty ice 'cause it makes them attractive and intelligent.
 
2013-01-14 09:26:14 PM

Omahawg: This thread seems filled with fun-haters who likely have little qualms of chugging a 12 pack a day of natty ice 'cause it makes them attractive and intelligent.


No matter how intelligent and well thought out the rest of your posts may have been, this statement is pants on head retarded. I would wager the a large percentage of Natural Light drinkers use the money they save buying shiat beer on weed.
 
2013-01-14 09:26:25 PM

MrHelpful: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Is it somehow controversial that smoking pot leads to decreased mental acuity?

This is news?

Yeah, it sure is. Because, according to the stoners, pot doesn't do anything to you at all and if you say otherwise they start to huff and puff and have another doobie and then huff and puff some more and have another joint and then huff and puff some more and then invoke the name of Carl Sagan.

Which, to a stoner, is all they need to prove their case. Unfortunately, the rest of us need a bit more proof.


Hey, did you know that cannabis use promotes the growth of the connections between brain cells?
 
2013-01-14 09:27:33 PM
If you are using pot everyday, then, yes, you are going to do damage over time. Same with alcohol, sugar, etc.

Tshauk, you are a troll.

Carl Sagans contribution to science Link

What you are asking is a ridiculous question, nobody contributes anything that is 100% original. Now, go away, you useless troll.
 
2013-01-14 09:29:18 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: tshauk: No, and neither can you.  Move along now nitwit.

Jesus christ. you're trolling or monumentally stupid. you ask for original scientific achievements, are given several, and you ignore it.


Considering that this is FARK, and someone could literally post, "This post is a troll post", and get somewhere on the order of 10e15 replies, I think I know where I'm placing my bets.

/This post is a troll post
 
2013-01-14 09:29:45 PM

mjbok: Omahawg: This thread seems filled with fun-haters who likely have little qualms of chugging a 12 pack a day of natty ice 'cause it makes them attractive and intelligent.

No matter how intelligent and well thought out the rest of your posts may have been, this statement is pants on head retarded. I would wager the a large percentage of Natural Light drinkers use the money they save buying shiat beer on weed.


*bows*

I aim to please

intelligent? well thought out? rofl
 
2013-01-14 09:31:13 PM

Omahawg: what a lifetime of maryjane abuse causes


img2.timeinc.net

Hey, Rodney didn't just smoke the ganj, he slept around with every drug imaginable.

Live 83 years.


/Huge fan
//Met him in person when he was about the age shown above
///Good times, great gut

////His wife was a 8itch, tho


superradnow.files.wordpress.com

He who laughs last...
 
2013-01-14 09:32:04 PM

iaazathot: If you are using pot everyday, then, yes, you are going to do damage over time. Same with alcohol, sugar, etc.

Tshauk, you are a troll.

Carl Sagans contribution to science Link

What you are asking is a ridiculous question, nobody contributes anything that is 100% original. Now, go away, you useless troll.


Inviting someone out of the conversation is a certain declaration of ones ignorance of the point.  Feel free to take that however you might understand it.
 
2013-01-14 09:32:49 PM
you're lucky, amos quito

rodney was always cool....'cept maybe that rap song for which he still gets....wait for it....no respect.
 
2013-01-14 09:34:12 PM

Rufus Lee King: boobsrgood: Rufus Lee King: boobsrgood: Even long-term LSD use leaves your cognitive abilities in tact.

Ok, that's classic.

Or maybe you are just terribly misinformed. I've dropped 100's of times, done mdma, smoked pounds of weed, and gone on year-long benders of coke and meth.The last thirty years have basically been a chemical carnival. I can still do calculus, write in Latin, and pass most of the tests from college classes I took 30 years ago. And I am not that unusual.

Exitus in dubio est... "in tact"


Retention isn't really a measure of IQ, but processing is. I know people who are a lot smarter than I am and have done more drugs than I have. Some of them preform highly demanding cognitive processes on a daily basis, such as troubleshooting and analysis. It's pure mythology (propaganda, actually) that drugs make you dumb. If you are dumb, it's because you have always been dumb, not because you get high.
 
2013-01-14 09:36:07 PM

MrEricSir: IQ tests are meaningless for this sort of thing. What you should do is give someone a piece of fruit, some wax paper, an empty CD case, some string, and a can of soup. Tell them to make a bong out of it.

I guarantee you, your average stoner will pass this test with flying colors.


Are those the only objects allowed, or are we allowed to use tools as long as they don't end up in the final product?
 
2013-01-14 09:37:21 PM

Omahawg: fun-haters who likely have little qualms of chugging a 12 pack a day of natty ice 'cause it makes them attractive and intelligent.


I'm pretty sure my stomach would have some qualms with drinking that sewage.

Hell, sewage probably at least has some flavor.
 
2013-01-14 09:42:22 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: tshauk: Yes; Great author, great orator, great entertainer.  I love the guy!  Name us a SINGLE original empirical Sagan offering to science.  Not one of his many and brilliantly explained exposition on other scientists.

Since you're a lazy jackass:

Scientific achievements

Sagan's contributions were central to the discovery of the high surface temperatures of the planet Venus. In the early 1960s no one knew for certain the basic conditions of that planet's surface, and Sagan listed the possibilities in a report later depicted for popularization in a Time-Life book, Planets. His own view was that Venus was dry and very hot as opposed to the balmy paradise others had imagined. He had investigated radio emissions from Venus and concluded that there was a surface temperature of 500 °C (900 °F). As a visiting scientist to NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, he contributed to the first Mariner missions to Venus, working on the design and management of the project. Mariner 2 confirmed his conclusions on the surface conditions of Venus in 1962.
Sagan was among the first to hypothesize that Saturn's moon Titan might possess oceans of liquid compounds on its surface and that Jupiter's moon Europa might possess subsurface oceans of water. This would make Europa potentially habitable.[15] Europa's subsurface ocean of water was later indirectly confirmed by the spacecraft Galileo. The mystery of Titan's reddish haze was also solved with Sagan's help. The reddish haze was revealed to be due to complex organic molecules constantly raining down onto Titan's surface.[16]
He further contributed insights regarding the atmospheres of Venus and Jupiter as well as seasonal changes on Mars. He also perceived global warming as a growing, man-made danger and likened it to the natural development of Venus into a hot, life-hostile planet through a kind of runaway greenhouse effect. Sagan and his Cornell colleague Edwin Ernest Salpeter speculated about life in Jupiter's clouds, given the plane ...


You just described most potheads who drop out of college in their sophomore year.

*puff puff* "Dude, Venus is like, so much closer to the Sun, wouldn't it be like, all hot and dry and shiat?"
*puff puff* Whoa, what if the moons on those big planets had water under the surface? That would be, like, cool and stuff!"
*puff puff* "You know, burning all this coal and oil is really messing up the skies and stuff, we need to, like, stop messing up the environment before it ends up like Venus."
*puff puff* "Maybe there is life out there, but not "as we know it", maybe there are, like, ethereal life forms living in the clouds of Jupiter..."

He just got lucky that some of his stoned ramblings ended up being true, is all.
 
2013-01-14 09:43:38 PM

tshauk: iaazathot: If you are using pot everyday, then, yes, you are going to do damage over time. Same with alcohol, sugar, etc.

Tshauk, you are a troll.

Carl Sagans contribution to science Link

What you are asking is a ridiculous question, nobody contributes anything that is 100% original. Now, go away, you useless troll.

Inviting someone out of the conversation is a certain declaration of ones ignorance of the point.  Feel free to take that however you might understand it.


Or a sign of boredom with trolls.

You have two indefensible positions, yet you persist, because you enjoy being a contrarian attention whore. It's a tired schtick.

You claim he contributed nothing "original" to science. Multiple examples of his unique contributinos were posted, peer reviewed and confirmed with later research. You claim he was a "pothead," a derogatory term used to describe people who are unproductive and use marijuana to the detriment of their lives. Both of those definitive points are obviously incorrect.

You are pedantic, shallow, and boring. You add nothing of value to the conversation.
 
2013-01-14 09:50:02 PM

MrHelpful: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Is it somehow controversial that smoking pot leads to decreased mental acuity?

This is news?

Yeah, it sure is. Because, according to the stoners, pot doesn't do anything to you at all and if you say otherwise they start to huff and puff and have another doobie and then huff and puff some more and have another joint and then huff and puff some more and then invoke the name of Carl Sagan.

Which, to a stoner, is all they need to prove their case. Unfortunately, the rest of us need a bit more proof.


Well, as unbiased and pleasant as you are, I can't argue with your 'logic'.

(It would be like arguing with a bannister, I imagine)


Some people benefit from regular cannabis use. Using it to excess can lead to problems. Only one of these is true of alcohol, and yet I bet you have no problem with "drunkers"...

/When it comes to my herb, leave me alone and don't harsh my buzz, man
//I'm an after work/weekend smoker
 
2013-01-14 09:50:47 PM

Hagbardr: MrEricSir: IQ tests are meaningless for this sort of thing. What you should do is give someone a piece of fruit, some wax paper, an empty CD case, some string, and a can of soup. Tell them to make a bong out of it.

I guarantee you, your average stoner will pass this test with flying colors.

Are those the only objects allowed, or are we allowed to use tools as long as they don't end up in the final product?


I think I could make a passable, not totally airtight, probably toxic bong with just this stuff and a lighter to help bend/melt the cd case. But I'd have a lighter anyway, so I wouldn't count it as extra. A pocketknife would be nice but I think I'd be able to do it without.
 
2013-01-14 09:53:17 PM
Pot eh?

pbs.twimg.com
 
2013-01-14 09:53:30 PM

Rufus Lee King: Ok, I'm going to liven this moribund thread up a bit.

I don't normally like to admit this, but about thirty years ago, I consumed enough LSD to make Hunter Thompson look like a Boy Scout.

I didn't actually see God, but I heard Him.

Sort of a "Universal Dial Tone", if you will.

God exists.


do go on...
 
2013-01-14 09:53:45 PM
Fact is, if one is too stupid to learn to titrate the dose of any drug to the purpose desired, then one is simply stupid; the drug itself is a mere adjunct to preexisting error, it gilds the lily.

From my anecdotal observations, it would appear that acute alcohol intoxication results in nearly instantaneous induction of stupid coupled with a retardation of emotional control.

If this study is reliable (`dependent' on marijuana WTF? operational definition would be nice), are the dull merely becoming duller (not uncommon without the use of any substance)?

In marijuana `research' it is always important to keep in mind that the big sponsors aren't buying anything that doesn't promise a big body count (or insinuation, thereof).
 
2013-01-14 09:54:10 PM

Brainsick: Some people benefit from regular cannabis use. Using it to excess can lead to problems. Only one of these is true of alcohol, and yet I bet you have no problem with "drunkers"...


I could swear that a glass of redwine a day was good for your heart (or some other benefit). Actually a quick google search (yes, I know that means it HAS to be true) shows that moderate alcohol use does have benefits.
 
2013-01-14 09:54:46 PM

sxacho: Hagbardr: MrEricSir: IQ tests are meaningless for this sort of thing. What you should do is give someone a piece of fruit, some wax paper, an empty CD case, some string, and a can of soup. Tell them to make a bong out of it.

I guarantee you, your average stoner will pass this test with flying colors.

Are those the only objects allowed, or are we allowed to use tools as long as they don't end up in the final product?

I think I could make a passable, not totally airtight, probably toxic bong with just this stuff and a lighter to help bend/melt the cd case. But I'd have a lighter anyway, so I wouldn't count it as extra. A pocketknife would be nice but I think I'd be able to do it without.


Break the CD`case and use the shards to carve out a pipe using the fruit. Unless it's an orange or something shiatty like that...

/not technically a 'bong', but you can smoke out of it
 
2013-01-14 09:57:32 PM

mjbok: Brainsick: Some people benefit from regular cannabis use. Using it to excess can lead to problems. Only one of these is true of alcohol, and yet I bet you have no problem with "drunkers"...

I could swear that a glass of redwine a day was good for your heart (or some other benefit). Actually a quick google search (yes, I know that means it HAS to be true) shows that moderate alcohol use does have benefits.


semantics

/should have said tobacco, but not sure if that even has a safe dose
 
2013-01-14 09:57:32 PM
I know a guy who purposefully huffed Dust-off to make himself dumber. It worker, and he's much happier now.
 
2013-01-14 10:00:35 PM

PonceAlyosha: tshauk: but made no contributions to empirical science

You do realize, in addition to being one of the most academically published physicists of the century that he was directly involved in the Voyager Program? His actual scientific accolades eclipse those of his pop science writing.


No, he di'int!

/but now he does
 
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