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(Fox News)   The United States is preparing to send troops to a third-world nation in order to support the French army. Nothing like this has ever ended badly before in the history of ever   (foxnews.com) divider line 231
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2013-01-14 10:25:20 PM  
France is wishing they had about 10 Reapers and a JSTARS about now.

But hey, budget cutbacks.
 
2013-01-14 10:27:51 PM  

kvinesknows: miss diminutive: Can't they just send Cajuns and kill two birds with one stone?How about we send Canadian Indians?


Cajuns and Quebecois wouldn't be much use. People in Mali speak real French.
 
2013-01-14 10:28:32 PM  

Hector Remarkable: Well I'm no foreign expert, but I believe it should be spelled Molly, as in "Molly was the singer in the band". Maybe that's what they're fighting about.


But you know if we spelled it Molly, all the liberals would just be raving about and there would be more reprimands about political correctness, proper spelling, and geography than you could shake a glowstick at.
 
2013-01-14 10:29:52 PM  

hasty ambush: GAT_00: I would think Subby would be happy since this is going after Al-Queda.

The U.S. is considering a range of options to help, including sending cargo aircrafts to lift more French ground troops into Mali, providing air refueling tankers for French air combat patrols, and offering intelligence gleaned from aerial surveillance.


Oh yeah, that's some real close involvement there.

That is how our involvement in Nam started.

"In November 1951, the US provided the French with an initial supply of 20 C-27s which would build to 116 by war's end in 1954. USAF crews delivered the aircraft, usually flying them in to Nha Trang, Vietnam from Clark AB, Philippines. These would be for tactical airlift. But France lacked the pilots and maintenance crews.

Since the French were short on pilots, the US turned to CAT, which by 1952, was owned by the CIA lock, stock and barrel. CAT pilots began flying a heavy schedule of transport missions for the French. These were combat missions flown by American civilians in every sense of the word. They routinely flew into combat zones, dropped supplies to the French, and dropped French paratroopers. They took their share of hostile fire.

The French also lacked the strategic airlift needed to get their troops form France to Vietnam. In April, the USAF's 62nd Troop Carrier Wing (TCW) flew French forces from France to Indochina aboard C-124 Globemaster IIs."

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Yep.

Even without the CIA hyperbole and domino theory nonsense that was prevalent back in 1952...the idea was that we were helping our allies in a bad situation and it couldn't POSSIBLY turn out badly because all we were doing was assisting the French fight an insurgency that had ties to Red China (nevermind that Ho Chi Minh's fighters helped us against the Japanese) and all we were doing was giving them a little support. And some advisors. Well, and some artillery and planes. Oh, and some extra personnel. And some backup to evacuate their wounded later on. And then...

No no, there's nothing that could go wrong in the same way here.
 
2013-01-14 10:32:39 PM  
I guess this will be Obama's payback for slavery?
 
2013-01-14 10:41:05 PM  
I thought it was pretty typical for NATO allies to help each other out?
 
2013-01-14 10:42:32 PM  

sweet-daddy-2: kvinesknows: miss diminutive: Can't they just send Cajuns and kill two birds with one stone?How about we send Canadian Indians?

But who would harvest our maple syrup?


the quebec frenchies of course
 
2013-01-14 10:44:02 PM  

runwiz: The curent situation in Mali with the Islamist forces is in large part blowback from Libya. So much for that intervention. And the Islamist/Al Qaeda threat is just an excuse to intervene in Mali and West Africa. It's really all about natural resources. France relies greatly upon nuclear power and French companies operate uranium mines in Mali and Niger. They can't risk losing control of these deposit. Another major benefactor of this intervention will be China who has invested $billions in this region in order to gain access to the resources. But just like Afghanistan the American public will have their fears of terrorism stoked in order to accede to the desires of imperialistic gain.


Niger Please
 
2013-01-14 10:44:59 PM  

BATMANATEE: kvinesknows: miss diminutive: Can't they just send Cajuns and kill two birds with one stone?How about we send Canadian Indians?

Cajuns and Quebecois wouldn't be much use. People in Mali speak real French.


I want the canadian indians to go and get slaughtered.. not help
 
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2013-01-14 10:46:04 PM  

zzrhardy: I thought it was pretty typical for NATO allies to help each other out?


Yeah, if and when the Soviet Union attacks France.

Pick up the Batphone if that happens.
 
2013-01-14 10:56:53 PM  
No Hue, dude!
 
2013-01-14 10:58:23 PM  

pstudent12: How is it possible for the USA to be third world, regardless of how poor or rich ?


Back then, the North American continent was inhabited by savages and rebel terrorists.
 
2013-01-14 10:58:26 PM  

zzrhardy: I thought it was pretty typical for NATO allies to help each other out?


France doesn't belong to NATO anymore. This is however sanctioned by the UN Security Council.
 
2013-01-14 11:01:15 PM  

Mike_1962: France doesn't belong to NATO anymore.


They rejoined in 2009.
 
2013-01-14 11:01:48 PM  

Wayne 985: I think there's a difference between The Taliban: Redux and a bunch of commies trying to change the economic and political leadership of their country. That difference being that the former is an atrocity in itself and the latter is just unfortunate.


That's odd. I think there's a difference between the two also, and the difference is that in point of atrocity Al Qaida doesn't even approach the Communists. Perhaps this is too far in the past to win your appreciation, the millions of people stripped of their possessions and sent trudging into oblivion to die of hunger or exposure or to be worked to death in labor camps. The works of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and their ilk put Bin Ladin's in the shade. Communism embodied a threat incomparably beyond the bumbling, ignorant religious freaks that so frighten the fat, comfortable Westerners of today. Al Qaida commands a primitive rabble with improvised explosives. The Commies together fielded the largest military force the world has seen, including nuclear subs, ICBMs, and the hydrogen bomb.

Yes, there is a difference in the magnitude of the threat. There is no difference in the willingness of certain people to menace the public with it in order to win support for their adventures. Neither is there any difference in the naive credulity of people who accept that such adventures are necessary (or even helpful) in gaining safety from the threat.
 
2013-01-14 11:02:19 PM  

Mike_1962: zzrhardy: I thought it was pretty typical for NATO allies to help each other out?

France doesn't belong to NATO anymore. This is however sanctioned by the UN Security Council.


Oops, sorry. Temporary brain failure. They rejoined a few years ago. My apologies.
 
2013-01-14 11:03:48 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Mike_1962: France doesn't belong to NATO anymore.

They rejoined in 2009.


Yeah, I remembered just after I clicked add. My bad.
 
2013-01-14 11:03:58 PM  

bmeade73: Just Saying.....


Napolean? Charlemagne? Charles "The Hammer" Martel?
 
2013-01-14 11:05:23 PM  

hdhale: 1. The French were long gone from Indochina when the Americans showed up in South Vietnam.


You have a very odd definition of long.
 
2013-01-14 11:07:50 PM  
Not saying it's going to turn out like Vietnam, just that the last time we went into a third world country in support of the French to defeat a common enemy, it turned out badly.

Last French troops left Vietnam in 1956, the US was putting advisors in, in 1955

"History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce." Here's hoping we're not at farce.

I'm all for neutralizing Al Qaeda, but perhaps, like the Communists, we should start looking into containment instead of trying to nation-build every failed state out there.
 
2013-01-14 11:08:55 PM  
America how is that debt ceiling going?

Please stop stirring up shiat and going broke sending armies into areas where your spy service should be.
 
2013-01-14 11:09:58 PM  
Al Qaeda needs to be stopped at all costs. I would gladly volunteer for front line action except I'm technically disabled from the army for previous war time injuries. Al Qaeda is a threat to all mankind. Even liberals.
 
2013-01-14 11:11:17 PM  

revrendjim: bmeade73: Just Saying.....

Napolean? Charlemagne? Charles "The Hammer" Martel?


Not French
 
2013-01-14 11:17:34 PM  
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Well, if Al Qaeda gets entrenched in the southern tropical areas, it will be a nasty, nasty police action.

Drones over triple canopy? We'll see if we got our money's worth. Otherwise, it's volunteers on the ground and defoliants in the air.

Plus, another landlocked country. Logistics. Fark it.
 
2013-01-14 11:20:48 PM  

Hector Remarkable: Well I'm no foreign expert, but I believe it should be spelled Molly, as in "Molly was the singer in the band". Maybe that's what they're fighting about.


As long as they're just fighting Molly and not flogging her....
 
2013-01-14 11:21:39 PM  
Lets not forget that the Tuareg people were denied their ancestral homelands by a bunch of French beauracrats who didn't bother to really draw lines because they were just districts if French Africa, the same colonial government over them all. Then when they left, they failed to set up an independent Tuareg nation, and that bungling has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuareg_people
 
2013-01-14 11:24:21 PM  

hdhale: 1. The French were long gone from Indochina when the Americans showed up in South Vietnam.
2. WTF is Barry sending troops/planes to Mali when his chimp Panetta is getting ready to make massive cuts to the defense budget?
3. Yeah, yeah al Qaeda :-P


Don't troll me bro...
 
2013-01-14 11:24:32 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: revrendjim: bmeade73: Just Saying.....

Napolean? Charlemagne? Charles "The Hammer" Martel?

Not French


Well, Carlemagne was Frankish and king of the Lombards, but I take your point. At that point in history, there were no French, Germans, etc. It could be argued a number of ways I suppose. And Napolean was Corsican. But that speaks to a great general who did lead the French.
 
2013-01-14 11:26:10 PM  
So does this mean we can go on a holiday in Guinea?
 
2013-01-14 11:26:14 PM  

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: FlashHarry: well, to be fair, the french sent troops to help liberate what was a third world country from the british about 240 years ago....

The New World actually had a higher standard of living than the Old World @ that point in time.

//Also, at least it isn't Asia.  Getting involved in another land war there should be grounds for involuntary commitment.


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As would be going against a Sicilian.
 
2013-01-14 11:27:53 PM  

Indubitably: Hector Remarkable: Well I'm no foreign expert, but I believe it should be spelled Molly, as in "Molly was the singer in the band". Maybe that's what they're fighting about.

To Lolly?


You forgot to get your adverbs.
 
2013-01-14 11:29:44 PM  

Wulfman: I kinda wish we'd fight with a second-world nation once in a while, just to keep us on our toes.


I'm waiting for the invasion of the 4th world.
 
2013-01-14 11:31:27 PM  
Also regarding containment, the Islamists are ferocious and can take over several countries and institute Sharia. But they're an anti-technology, anti-science, anti-woman philosophy. They're crippling their societies as a result. It is the height of irony that a female CIA analyst was the one who found and fixed Bin Laden.

Yes, they might get a nuke from the Russkies. And if they have a country, that's certainly a problem. But if they have a country, their assets might be easier to monitor and destroy. And once they get some ground and assets they're trying to defend, and consolidate their leaders into palaces, they might be easier to decapitate and destroy the weapons.

Reality is that we're our own worst enemy. It's kind of clever how we're printing money (have the US Central Bank (the Federal Reserve) buy US government debt), and it'll work for a while. But if we don't get our finances in order, debt and money printing will not increase the level of wealth in our society. We've taken half of Keynes prescription - we're happy to deficit spend, but we're totally unwilling to pay down the debt in the good years.
 
2013-01-14 11:31:39 PM  
Whoever hatched this Mali plan was flirtin with disaster.
 
2013-01-14 11:32:42 PM  

Mike_1962: Lionel Mandrake: revrendjim: bmeade73: Just Saying.....

Napolean? Charlemagne? Charles "The Hammer" Martel?

Not French

Well, Carlemagne was Frankish and king of the Lombards, but I take your point. At that point in history, there were no French, Germans, etc. It could be argued a number of ways I suppose. And Napolean was Corsican. But that speaks to a great general who did lead the French.


I was being snarky but, yeah, Karl der Große (as others prefer to call him :) and Martel were both Franks and culturally/linguistically Germanic.  Parts of what's now France were inhabited by Gallo-Romans who were speaking something resembling French, but the ones in charge were Germanic (kinda sorta like the English nobility who didn't speak English for a while)

Napoleon was born right arounf the time Corsica became Frech - right before or right after.  off to wiki, I guessspoke something closer to Italian as a Mother Tongue.
 
2013-01-14 11:32:45 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: revrendjim: bmeade73: Just Saying.....

Napolean? Charlemagne? Charles "The Hammer" Martel?

Not French


Okay, how about William of Normandy.
 
2013-01-14 11:34:15 PM  

bmeade73: [0.tqn.com image 425x320]

Just Saying.....


It's funny, I'm reading War and Peace with a couple friends (not my choice for first bookclub pick) and in the early 19th century everyone was bagging on the Germans for being useless at war and how the French were pretty much invincible. Oh how the wheels turn.
 
2013-01-14 11:35:10 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: hdhale: 1. The French were long gone from Indochina when the Americans showed up in South Vietnam.

You have a very odd definition of long.


Long, as in far. They were a long ways away, miles in fact.
 
2013-01-14 11:39:40 PM  

12349876: g4lt: (Heart of Darkness was actually set in the Congo {ie Mali},

The Congo is NOWHERE NEAR Mali. Even using the whole damn river basin as your definition, it only goes as far north as Cameroon and Central African Republic and you're still two countries away from Mali.


Well, to be fair, Africa is a big country. It's easy to get confused.
 
2013-01-14 11:41:06 PM  

revrendjim: Okay, how about William of Normandy.


Clearly a Viking.

Look, France has its heroes too, you just have to dig a bit deeper. Louis XIV? If not Napoleon, then many of his generals were tactically brilliant and quite French. I seem to remember a couple standouts in the Thirty Years' war as well, but my history fails me there. Charles the Bold had the ball rolling for a while, too, before he got cocky.
 
2013-01-14 11:41:21 PM  

fusillade762: It's OK, we're just there as advisers.


See: White Star MAAG Mission, ca. 1950. Eisenhower, FFS.
 
2013-01-14 11:42:31 PM  

netcentric: France is wishing they had about 10 Reapers and a JSTARS about now.

But hey, budget cutbacks.


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Even one Reaper is pretty expensive.
 
2013-01-14 11:44:24 PM  
Frankie Hollande sure is turning out to be a bust. He can't even keep the French in support of gay marriage! The French!
 
2013-01-14 11:44:37 PM  

Dylan and Eric: International alliances, how do they work?


to the benefit of politicians and industrialists?
 
2013-01-14 11:47:06 PM  
I just want to know how this balances the budget, that's all. That's the most important thing in the entire world, according to the amount of airtime all the mouth breathers in Washington give it.

We need a new debt ceiling every year. I can't remember the last time we weren't in a pointless war, and yes, I attended them right there in the gulf where they could insult me for being female while I was at it.

Bet they raise some new taxes for this.
 
2013-01-14 11:54:36 PM  
Why are the Frogs in Hawaii?

/sorry - read that as "Maui"
 
2013-01-14 11:56:36 PM  

revrendjim: Lionel Mandrake: revrendjim: bmeade73: Just Saying.....

Napolean? Charlemagne? Charles "The Hammer" Martel?

Not French

Okay, how about William of Normandy.


Norman.  Close enough

Big, viking-like guy, but talked like a sissy
 
2013-01-14 11:58:00 PM  
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NOOOOOOOOO!
 
2013-01-15 12:05:29 AM  

PsiChick: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: FlashHarry: well, to be fair, the french sent troops to help liberate what was a third world country from the british about 240 years ago....

The New World actually had a higher standard of living than the Old World @ that point in time.

//Also, at least it isn't Asia.  Getting involved in another land war there should be grounds for involuntary commitment.

FARKING THIS.

/Getting involved in  any war anywhere should be grounds for involuntary commitment if I had my way...
//Money does not grow on farking trees.


That's why we have to wage war for markets and resources. Unfortunately, we are leveraged to the hilt and have to pay our debts with our hard earned spoils.
 
2013-01-15 12:11:07 AM  
there aren't rules there. That's why we have to mark the rebel's numbers to zero.
 
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