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(Politico)   NRA a few days ago: It's not guns that kill people it's video games that glorify gun violence. NRA today: Hey kids check out this game that makes you cool because you fire guns   (politico.com ) divider line
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2013-01-14 05:37:19 PM  
According to the iTunes ratings system, the app is appropriate for users who are at least 4 years old because it contains "no objectionable material.
 jesusfarkingchrist, it's an itunes app, how good can it be?
 
2013-01-14 05:39:33 PM  
The National Rifle Association, which has been critical of the gaming industry in the debate surrounding potential gun control legislation, has rolled out its own app where users can take target practice.

Yeah, um, this won't help anyone improve their shooting.
 
2013-01-14 05:46:43 PM  
Meh, nice troll subby.
 
2013-01-14 05:50:54 PM  

OregonVet: Meh, nice troll subby.


how is it a troll? the NRA blames gun violence on video games. they just released a shooting video game. that's hypocrisy, not trolling.
 
2013-01-14 05:51:38 PM  

cretinbob: According to the iTunes ratings system, the app is appropriate for users who are at least 4 years old because it contains "no objectionable material.
 jesusfarkingchrist, it's an itunes app, how good can it be?


The NRA didn't say that only good games where you shoot things makes people violent, they said all video games that glorify violence causes gun violence.  Clearly, the NRA by it's own standards is now causing gun violence.
 
2013-01-14 05:55:52 PM  
I've made my position quite well known in every thread on this topic. TL;DR Assault Weapon Band are useless tripe that won't move the needle on the lethality of shootings. We need serious gun licensing, education, secure storage laws and a mental health system.

Having said that, the NRA is just about the biggest bunch of dumb farks to have ever blundered upon the political stage. They have spent too many decades making back room deals and mounting legal challenges in court that they have become 100% tone deaf when it comes to public relations that appeal to anyone but gun owners.

Why is the NRA not pointing out that assault rifles are used in less than 2% of crimes? Why are they not pointing out that only 1 of the 10 most lethal mass shootings in US history involved an "Assault Rifle"? Nor are they pointing out that all the evidence indicates that Newton would have been just as lethal with any other weapon?

Why is the NRA not saying that an AR-15 is a useful tool in civilian hands for self defense? Why are they not pointing out that every police department in the country has come to that conclusion, which is why 40% of cops have an AR-15 in their patrol cars, and *any* weapons call is now answered by a cop with an AR in his hands?

The NRA should be pointing to all the citizens who have defended themselves with a rifle. They should show pictures of Korean store owners defending themselves after the LAPD abandoned them. They should be talking about Katrina, where whole neighborhoods had to protect themselves as the NOPD was too busy shooting unarmed people and looting to do the job. They should be talking about the people in NY and NJ who were subjected to looting coordinated via Twitter and thugs dressed up as utility workers who were invading homes.

Instead, the NRA trots out two old white guys who blather on about video games, legislative action and watering the tree of liberty bullshiat. Idiots.
 
2013-01-14 05:56:04 PM  
While I will not defend the organization's statements related to video games, I have been unable to locate any data suggesting that the relevant video game depicts any acts of "gun violence".
 
2013-01-14 06:06:29 PM  

FlashHarry: OregonVet: Meh, nice troll subby.

how is it a troll? the NRA blames gun violence on video games. they just released a shooting video game. that's hypocrisy, not trolling.


I'm a dirty gun-grabbing Canadian, but I think the idea of an app that centres on gun handling and safety education, while still being engaging, is a sensible thing.  Even the simulated violence is shooting at targets, not simulated animals or people (or their analogues, aliens and zombies...).  FFS, Kids get more FPS violence picking up a Wii controller than that.

If it weren't associated with the NRA, I suspect it might be more palatable.  If you're going to have a reasonable debate, be reasonable.
 
2013-01-14 06:10:56 PM  

GAT_00: The NRA didn't say that only good games where you shoot things makes people violent, they said all video games that glorify violence causes gun violence. Clearly, the NRA by it's own standards is now causing gun violence.


How so, my child? Please compare and contrast this app let's say...Call of Duty.
 
2013-01-14 06:17:23 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: GAT_00: The NRA didn't say that only good games where you shoot things makes people violent, they said all video games that glorify violence causes gun violence. Clearly, the NRA by it's own standards is now causing gun violence.

How so, my child? Please compare and contrast this app let's say...Call of Duty.


Have you been watching DS9 or something?  Because you keep doing that and I'm going to start thinking of you as Kai Winn.

And the NRA did not specify on how violent a game needed to be to somehow cause gun violence by playing it.  If you'd like clarification, I suggest asking them.
 
2013-01-14 06:22:16 PM  
Meh, the NRA is a shill organization designed to fill their own pockets and select Republicans. They might as well start trolling. They don't have much credibility left outside of their hard core members
 
2013-01-14 06:23:00 PM  

Nadie_AZ: The National Rifle Association, which has been critical of the gaming industry in the debate surrounding potential gun control legislation, has rolled out its own app where users can take target practice.

Yeah, um, this won't help anyone improve their shooting.



That's what you think.  They'll all be using aimbots.
 
2013-01-14 06:23:37 PM  

GAT_00: The NRA didn't say that only good games where you shoot things makes people violent,


And how if you believe that can you thing that actually firing a gun at a human shaped target doesn't promote it then?
 
2013-01-14 06:23:40 PM  
Why are people not biatching about the real scourge of these types of games? Micro-transactions. I have to pay $.99 just to shoot an AK-47? Fark that noise
 
2013-01-14 06:26:25 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: How so, my child? Please compare and contrast this app let's say...Call of Duty.


How about ACTUALLY FIRING A REAL GUN at a human like target?

wallpoper.com

So firing a real gun at a human like target doesn't desensitizes you but using a controller not anything like a gun is the problem.


Or is the NRA against target practice against human cut outs and I missed it?
 
2013-01-14 06:29:09 PM  
Not that I believe the whole "video games cause violence thing", but Breivik said he played Call of Duty Modern Warfare as a sort of training simulation or whatever.

Personally, I think anyone that likes MW should be thrown in a loony bin, but that's just me.
 
2013-01-14 06:29:38 PM  
and by the way the app you are not firing at coke cans or bullseyes.


cdn2-b.examiner.com
You are aiming for kill areas on human shaped targets.
 
2013-01-14 06:30:56 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Meh, the NRA is a shill organization designed to fill their own pockets and select Republicans. They might as well start trolling. They don't have much credibility left outside of their hard core members


At a national level, maybe. But they DO support Democrats that are pro-gun. Especially at the local level.
 
2013-01-14 06:30:56 PM  

Corvus: and by the way the app you are not firing at coke cans or bullseyes.


[cdn2-b.examiner.com image 481x270]
You are aiming for kill areas on human shaped targets.


I should say NOT ONLY. Because this is only one option of the target practice.
 
2013-01-14 06:31:42 PM  

Corvus: and by the way the app you are not firing at coke cans or bullseyes.


[cdn2-b.examiner.com image 481x270]
You are aiming for kill areas on human shaped targets.


I'd get kicked out of the firing range if I did that. You don't shoot at other people's targets.
 
2013-01-14 06:31:42 PM  

Corvus: and by the way the app you are not firing at coke cans or bullseyes.


[cdn2-b.examiner.com image 481x270]
You are aiming for kill areas on human shaped targets.


Humans are shaped like ketchup bottles?
 
2013-01-14 06:34:31 PM  

Frank N Stein: Corvus: and by the way the app you are not firing at coke cans or bullseyes.


[cdn2-b.examiner.com image 481x270]
You are aiming for kill areas on human shaped targets.

Humans are shaped like ketchup bottles?


Oh so those supposed to represent Ketchup bottles? You really want to pretend that?
 
2013-01-14 06:34:49 PM  

dr-shotgun: I've made my position quite well known in every thread on this topic. TL;DR Assault Weapon Band are useless tripe that won't move the needle on the lethality of shootings. We need serious gun licensing, education, secure storage laws and a mental health system.


You could have stopped right there.  The NRA is not tone deaf because they lack political acumen and decent statistics.  They're tone deaf because they refuse to give one inch on the issue.  They won't promote any of what you listed?  Not even the pittance of banning 30-round magazines or closing the gun show loophole?  Nothing at all?  That's what makes them tone deaf.  Their insistence on total political purity on the issue has made them irrelevant.
 
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2013-01-14 06:35:03 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Yeah, um, this won't help anyone improve their shooting.


Not even a little.  Might even give them bad habits, like shooting at targets one lane over.
 
2013-01-14 06:37:25 PM  

Corvus: Frank N Stein: Corvus: and by the way the app you are not firing at coke cans or bullseyes.


[cdn2-b.examiner.com image 481x270]
You are aiming for kill areas on human shaped targets.

Humans are shaped like ketchup bottles?

Oh so those supposed to represent Ketchup bottles? You really want to pretend that?


Just like Palin's surveyor marks.
 
2013-01-14 06:37:47 PM  

Corvus: Oh so those supposed to represent Ketchup bottles? You really want to pretend that?


I dunno. Sorta kinda looks like a human if you squint your eyes. But when I see a shape like that I don't immediately think "human target". Maybe that says something about you?
 
2013-01-14 06:38:30 PM  

GAT_00: Just like Palin's surveyor marks.


Still farking that chicken, huh?
 
2013-01-14 06:38:48 PM  

GAT_00: And the NRA did not specify on how violent a game needed to be to somehow cause gun violence by playing it


Stop violence against paper!

Corvus: a human like target



Corvus: You are aiming for kill areas on human shaped targets.


Those guys look familiar!
 
2013-01-14 06:39:02 PM  

Frank N Stein: Corvus: Oh so those supposed to represent Ketchup bottles? You really want to pretend that?

I dunno. Sorta kinda looks like a human if you squint your eyes. But when I see a shape like that I don't immediately think "human target". Maybe that says something about you?


Oh so what do they represent?
 
2013-01-14 06:40:42 PM  

Corvus: Oh so what do they represent?


Paper targets?
 
2013-01-14 06:41:38 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: GAT_00: And the NRA did not specify on how violent a game needed to be to somehow cause gun violence by playing it

Stop violence against paper!

Corvus: a human like target


Corvus: You are aiming for kill areas on human shaped targets.

Those guys look familiar!


Right. The shooting a real gun against a a human like target but using a video gamer controller to fire in a video game is what really teaches people to fire a gun at people.

What is the reason why people fire guns at human like targets again? Oh it's so they learn how to shoot people. Even gun supporters say this. But now you are pretending that isn't the reason at all.
 
2013-01-14 06:42:34 PM  

Corvus: You are aiming for kill areas on human shaped targets.


I guess, if humans are suddenly shaped like porta-potties or the head of the robot mafia on "Futurama".
 
2013-01-14 06:42:34 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Stop violence against paper!


That's a really sad desperation response.
 
2013-01-14 06:42:45 PM  

Frank N Stein: Corvus: Oh so what do they represent?

Paper targets?


Oh ok So when gun supporters say they need to have human shaped targets to learn how to shot people the are full of shiat?
 
2013-01-14 06:43:00 PM  
It looks like a coffin, in another coffin, in a cocktail shaker.
 
2013-01-14 06:43:04 PM  

Corvus: What is the reason why people fire guns at human like targets again? Oh it's so they learn how to shoot people.


Oh my!
 
2013-01-14 06:43:39 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Stop violence against paper!


But you support the NRA with their "Stop the violence against computer pixels!!" campaign.
 
2013-01-14 06:44:16 PM  

Corvus: Frank N Stein: Corvus: Oh so what do they represent?

Paper targets?

Oh ok So when gun supporters say they need to have human shaped targets to learn how to shot people the are full of shiat?


I'm just farking with you. Like I said earlier, I don't believe video games cause murders. Nor do paper silhouette targets.
 
2013-01-14 06:45:12 PM  

Frank N Stein: Corvus: What is the reason why people fire guns at human like targets again? Oh it's so they learn how to shoot people.

Oh my!


It's not? Please tell us then. I don't think you will because you know the whole NRA position is hypocritical so instead you are acting like an ass and pretending people are shooting at ketchup bottle images.
 
2013-01-14 06:46:30 PM  

Corvus: Oh so what do they represent?


I have an idea- why don't you try the app and get back to us. We'll wait, but you're going to have to start another thread when you get to the end of it. By the time you pass the safety test the app promotes this thread will be closed to comments.... Let me know if you TF subscription runs out in the interim. I'll sponsor the report.
 
2013-01-14 06:46:35 PM  

Frank N Stein: I'm just farking with you. Like I said earlier, I don't believe video games cause murders. Nor do paper silhouette targets.


Actually neither did I.
 
2013-01-14 06:47:14 PM  

Frank N Stein: Corvus: and by the way the app you are not firing at coke cans or bullseyes.


[cdn2-b.examiner.com image 481x270]
You are aiming for kill areas on human shaped targets.

Humans are shaped like ketchup bottles?


Most the American humans.
 
2013-01-14 06:49:28 PM  

Corvus: Frank N Stein: I'm just farking with you. Like I said earlier, I don't believe video games cause murders. Nor do paper silhouette targets.

Actually neither did I.


Sorry if it sounded like I implied you did, didn't mean that. I see what you're getting at though.

In my opinion, the NRA brought up the violence in the media to take the heat off the guns. Since the media has the attention span of gerbils, there was a lot of talk about violence in the media after the NRA's comment on the subject. So I suppose their deflecting worked.
 
2013-01-14 06:49:53 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Why are people not biatching about the real scourge of these types of games? Micro-transactions. I have to pay $.99 just to shoot an AK-47? Fark that noise


The tree of liberty must be festooned from time to time with the itunes receipts of patriots and tyrants alike.
 
2013-01-14 06:50:51 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: GAT_00: The NRA didn't say that only good games where you shoot things makes people violent, they said all video games that glorify violence causes gun violence. Clearly, the NRA by it's own standards is now causing gun violence.

How so, my child? Please compare and contrast this app let's say...Call of Duty.


He said Mortal Kombat. There are no guns at all in that game.

Concede the point now.
 
2013-01-14 06:53:45 PM  

justtray: Dancin_In_Anson: GAT_00: The NRA didn't say that only good games where you shoot things makes people violent, they said all video games that glorify violence causes gun violence. Clearly, the NRA by it's own standards is now causing gun violence.

How so, my child? Please compare and contrast this app let's say...Call of Duty.

He said Mortal Kombat. There are no guns at all in that game.

Concede the point now.


But mortal combat desensitizes you to freezing other people and ripping their head off with your bare hands.
 
2013-01-14 06:54:55 PM  
"To hear them tell it, our "problem" is with expressions of violence in media. Videogames, music, movies, even the news are to blame. It is a very odd sort of patriot that would destroy the First Amendment to protect the Second." - Jerry Holkins, Penny Arcade

Amen, brother.
 
2013-01-14 06:55:05 PM  
The free app dispenses standard gun safety mantras before the user can begin to shoot: "Use only the correct ammunition for your gun;" "Never use alcohol or drugs before or while shooting;" "Know your target and what is beyond it."

I love how they snark this up like giving gun safety tips is somehow a "bad" thing... The game sounds like a dumb idea, but Jesus Christ, regardless of your stance on gun control, is there ANYTHING wrong with kids knowing what to do if they farking SEE a gun?
 
2013-01-14 06:55:08 PM  

Corvus: and by the way the app you are not firing at coke cans or bullseyes.


[cdn2-b.examiner.com image 481x270]
You are aiming for kill areas on human shaped targets.


I'm suddenly thirsty for a martini.
 
2013-01-14 06:55:22 PM  
FTA: It costs 99 cents to upgrade your firearm from a free M9 to a Beretta

*Snert*. 99 cents well spent right there.
 
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