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2013-01-14 05:09:20 PM

Mad_Radhu: Anne Frank coped just fine with a similar disability, so I don't see why they had to pussy out.


Yeah, but then she had flying a plane for a hobby.
 
2013-01-14 05:09:48 PM
Chang died of a stroke in the middle of the night. He was always the sickly one. He was always the one who drank too much. When Eng woke up beside him to find that his brother was dead... he died of fright. Right there in the bed.
 
2013-01-14 05:10:51 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Deaf Panels


Def Panelz is my hip hop band's name
 
2013-01-14 05:11:38 PM

dahmers love zombie: Mad_Radhu: Anne Frank coped just fine with a similar disability, so I don't see why they had to pussy out.

Not only did she cope with it, she almost made it across the Pacific.


Even then, she eked out a living as a crusty fisherman until Richard Dreyfus rolled into town.
 
2013-01-14 05:12:05 PM

CliChe Guevara: Being either deaf or blind is one thing, but being deaf already - relying on sign language and visual cues for every bit of human interaction, communication, and basic information required to function and care for oneself - losing sight under those circumstances would have been devastating. They would have gone from employed and functional to completely unable to care for themselves. Not something to want to live with.
I doubt this had to do with not seeing each others faces again.


Yup. With all high density senses out life would be pretty bad. I would certainly choose suicide in such a situation.

lohphat: Agreed. They could have used braille to communicate FFS. But their life belongs to them, not the state. I agree with the article that in Switzerland you must be an active participant in the act instead of being put down passively like an animal when they had the faculty to do so.


They very well might not be able to learn braille--it's hard to learn as an adult.

As for active vs passive--I think active should be legal in situations where the person can't do it themselves. That's not the case here, though.

lohphat: I've just cared for a close friend during her last weeks in hospice at my house. I will not go out like she did in a delirium of pain and psychosis no drugs could touch because they caused much of it.


Yup. I've seen end-stage cancer. No thanks.
 
2013-01-14 05:12:14 PM
Oh no the intercontinental war is upon us!
 
2013-01-14 05:13:11 PM
Great Gig In The Sky: " I am not frightened of dying, any time will do, I Don't mind. Why should I be frightened of dying? There's no reason for it, you've gotta go sometime."

Their life was about to become extraordinarily difficult and to their opinion (and many would agree) unpleasant, unbearable, undignified, they chose not to endure that, for really why should they, what possible, rational, reason is there to endure hardship for what is potentially decades. Checking out before that hardship began, seems a perfectly rational thing to do to me.
 
2013-01-14 05:14:21 PM
FTFA "A pair of identical twins, who were born deaf, have been killed by Belgian doctors after seeking euthanasia when they found out they would also soon go blind.

In a unique case under the country's euthanasia laws, the 45-year-old brothers, from Antwerp, chose death as they were unable to bear the thought of never seeing one another again."

They sought out the services rendered. It was their choice to do so. To use this as a model for your argument against ObamaCare is just ig'nint.
 
2013-01-14 05:16:41 PM

Spanky McStupid: Euthanasia? Isn't that a vaccine?


In Russia it is, but not until Putin takes off his shirt and menaces you with some sort of gun while holding a tiger cub in one hand beats you senseless. With the tiger cub. THEN you get the vaccine, if you're lucky.
 
2013-01-14 05:17:42 PM

bitsy_boffin: Great Gig In The Sky: " I am not frightened of dying, any time will do, I Don't mind. Why should I be frightened of dying? There's no reason for it, you've gotta go sometime."

Their life was about to become extraordinarily difficult and to their opinion (and many would agree) unpleasant, unbearable, undignified, they chose not to endure that, for really why should they, what possible, rational, reason is there to endure hardship for what is potentially decades. Checking out before that hardship began, seems a perfectly rational thing to do to me.


This may come as a shock to some but- whether it's legally sanctioned or not- the decision to commit suicide is ALWAYS the choice of the individual.
 
2013-01-14 05:17:47 PM

BMFPitt: Good for them. Over here they'd need to try to DIY, due to Bible-thumping asshats.

If adults of sound mind want to die, they should be allowed to.


"Be allowed to die" is different from "Having someone else kill them"
 
2013-01-14 05:22:07 PM
Sweet merciful crap that took me a hell of a long time and several visual clues before I finally got the joke.
 
2013-01-14 05:27:33 PM

bigredmoose: Sweet merciful crap that took me a hell of a long time and several visual clues before I finally got the joke.


Don't feel bad, it took me way too long
 
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2013-01-14 05:28:36 PM

Mad_Radhu: Anne Frank coped just fine with a similar disability, so I don't see why they had to pussy out.


Yea, but she hid in the attic before taking an axe to her parents, so it didn't work out all that well after all.
 
2013-01-14 05:32:31 PM
This reminds me of a short story I once wrote about a man who lived downstairs from two obese, identical twins.  The protagonist was slowly being driven mad because he could constantly hear them farking in different rooms at all hours which was often followed by the dulcet sounds of explosive vomiting.
The man assumed they could not find anyone else to fark, so did each other and sick with remorse puked their incestuous and narcissistic sins out.
Of course, they just had off-screen shut-in wives and were also into force-feeding.  Minus that part this article could have made a poignant ending to my story.
 
2013-01-14 05:37:14 PM
and they could have done it faster if Bender wasn't hogging the booth
 
DB
2013-01-14 05:38:32 PM
took a cue from these guys

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2013-01-14 05:43:11 PM
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2013-01-14 05:46:32 PM

Kaeishiwaza: On the one hand, I suppose it was their own choice.

On the other hand, damn, wtf? Giving up a bit easily, aren't we?


/I see what youre saying, but deaf, and soon to go blind. All you would have left is smell and touch, living in a veritable limbo. I cannot imagine it, and i respect their right to that choice.
 
2013-01-14 05:46:42 PM
i449.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-14 05:47:28 PM

Kaeishiwaza: On the other hand, damn, wtf? Giving up a bit easily, aren't we?


Being deaf and blind is no picnic.
 
2013-01-14 05:49:22 PM

The Larch: The Larch: If someone is so far gone that they don't notice that the hospital has stopped feeding them, it might be time to let them go.

If their family doesn't notice that the hospital has stopped feeding them, it's definitely time to let them go.

Ooops... I should have read the article. They killed moby and his twin because they were depressed about going blind? WTF? That doesn't even make sense.


Really? You can't empathize with someone who would rather die than live blind and deaf?
 
2013-01-14 05:50:19 PM

Ed Finnerty: "I can't quit you!"

"Who said that?"


I'll go with Broke Butt Mountain for $300.
 
2013-01-14 05:50:42 PM
Those guys should do ads for TransitionsTM lenses.

/On sale now at JC Penny's
 
2013-01-14 05:52:09 PM
Youth culture killed my dog...
 
2013-01-14 05:54:02 PM

talkertopc: Really? You can't empathize with someone who would rather die than live blind and deaf?


Empathize? Yes, absolutely I can empathize with that.

But the article is about euthanasia.
 
2013-01-14 05:55:28 PM

talkertopc: The Larch: The Larch: If someone is so far gone that they don't notice that the hospital has stopped feeding them, it might be time to let them go.

If their family doesn't notice that the hospital has stopped feeding them, it's definitely time to let them go.

Ooops... I should have read the article. They killed moby and his twin because they were depressed about going blind? WTF? That doesn't even make sense.

Really? You can't empathize with someone who would rather die than live blind and deaf?


Its a sad story. Growing up, there was a kid in our neighborhood who was like that. Didn't speak either. I'm not sure if it was a birth defect, or something psychological. There were always rumors about his uncle, who was a weirdo himself.

Anyway, that kid would just lose himself, day in, and day out in pinball.

Sad thing is nobody had the heart to tell him he sucked, or if he even understood. Hell, after the first few months of him having the machine, the parents unplugged it to save on electricity and keeping the neighbors up at all hours. Tommy still went out there to play it, and probably thought he played a mean game, which I guess is all that matters.
 
2013-01-14 05:56:58 PM
It all comes down to a perceived quality of life. As you might be happy living blind and deaf, having known sight at least, and having it taken away, would be happy just to still be alive, someone else might find that a bit much to ask for a continued existence, and opt out. It's all about perceived quality of life man. All im saying.
 
2013-01-14 05:57:12 PM
Good for them. I believe any adult should have the right to die in a painless manner if he wish to do so. It should not be up to a doctor to decide whether there is suffering or not. If somebody wish to die, give him access to counselling, but if he still wants to die after that, just let him. Most suicides are messy and painful while it shouldn't be that way.
 
2013-01-14 05:58:01 PM

spelletrader: Youth culture killed my dog...


there might be worse songs to get stuck in my head.
 
2013-01-14 05:58:21 PM

Kaeishiwaza: On the one hand, I suppose it was their own choice.

On the other hand, damn, wtf? Giving up a bit easily, aren't we?


Why not just friggin' kill yourself and keep the doctor's out of it. They weren't suffering.

Oh, they were suffering emotionally?  I hope that's not the rationale because there's lots of people suffering emotionally that might want to die... that's called contemplating suicide. We shouldn't be taking part in that as a society. Bind and Deaf is no way to go through life?  Maybe not, but farkin' A, make a run at it first.
 
2013-01-14 05:59:01 PM
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R.I.P.
 
2013-01-14 06:01:33 PM

BMFPitt: If adults of sound mind want to die, they should be allowed to.


That's preposterous. If they want to kill themselves then they should have to drive the wrong way down the interstate and die in an accident like the good lord intended. I'm pretty sure people won't find other ways to kill themselves if you just make it against the rules.
 
2013-01-14 06:02:01 PM
I figured there had to be more to this story. I mean, healthy people don't often go blind. Found found an Antwerp article. Here's a quote from their brother (I ran it through Google Translate, sp grammar will be kooky)

"I would also like to emphasize that they are not only blind and deaf. Eddy had a severely deformed spine and has also undergone heart surgery.....Many readers, even in the village, will wonder why my brothers have opted for euthanasia. Because there are plenty of deaf and blind that a 'normal' life. But my brothers trudged from one disease to another. They were really worn out. "
 
2013-01-14 06:02:23 PM
ChipNASA: R.I.P. P.O.D.

do you know anything about the background photos in that music video? I swear one of them is a high school friend who died back then.
 
2013-01-14 06:03:01 PM

beakerxf: I figured there had to be more to this story. I mean, healthy people don't often go blind. Found found an Antwerp article. Here's a quote from their brother (I ran it through Google Translate, sp grammar will be kooky)

"I would also like to emphasize that they are not only blind and deaf. Eddy had a severely deformed spine and has also undergone heart surgery.....Many readers, even in the village, will wonder why my brothers have opted for euthanasia. Because there are plenty of deaf and blind that a 'normal' life. But my brothers trudged from one disease to another. They were really worn out. "


Quote source.
 
2013-01-14 06:04:14 PM

farkingismybusiness: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x223]
We run for yutes in Asia.


I was going to say that it wasn't their best album, but it wasn't a deadly one by any means either.
 
2013-01-14 06:08:09 PM

Wayne 985: Didn't The Daily Mail get caught making up stories a while back? I don't believe much of anything they claim.

If it is true, then... okay. Probably not something I would do, but if they're of sound mind, it's their choice.


It is axiomatic that if you are choosing to kill yourself you not 'of sound mind'.

It also turns out that Belgium doctors and nurses have been killing old/older people who didn't want to die; this came out about 18 months ago.

No one was prosecuted.

Euthanasia is morally wrong.
 
2013-01-14 06:08:58 PM

theknuckler_33: Kaeishiwaza: On the one hand, I suppose it was their own choice.

On the other hand, damn, wtf? Giving up a bit easily, aren't we?

Why not just friggin' kill yourself and keep the doctor's out of it. They weren't suffering.

Oh, they were suffering emotionally?  I hope that's not the rationale because there's lots of people suffering emotionally that might want to die... that's called contemplating suicide. We shouldn't be taking part in that as a society. Bind and Deaf is no way to go through life?  Maybe not, but farkin' A, make a run at it first.


It's called liberty. Who cares if some people want to die for whatever reason? Their life, their choice to do whatever they want want it as long as they don't harm anyone. The right to kill yourself is the ultimate liberty, which is probably why Christianity is so against it because religion and liberty don't go well together.

Besides, we have have a few billion people on this world. We only fool ourselves that life has meaning and worth.
 
2013-01-14 06:10:17 PM

Devo: spelletrader: Youth culture killed my dog...

there might be worse songs to get stuck in my head.


but I don't think it's fair...
 
2013-01-14 06:22:55 PM

douchebag/hater: Wayne 985: Didn't The Daily Mail get caught making up stories a while back? I don't believe much of anything they claim.

If it is true, then... okay. Probably not something I would do, but if they're of sound mind, it's their choice.

It is axiomatic that if you are choosing to kill yourself you not 'of sound mind'.

Euthanasia is morally wrong.


And letting people suffer unnecessarily isn't morally wrong?

I am taking care of my mother right now who has been suffering from Alzheimer's for 10 years now and by now only seems to have a few neurons firing in her brain. Which is a good thing, after years of confusion, suffering, depression and anger and slowly losing her mind.

If I would be diagnosed with it in the future, I sincerely hope that I will have both the opportunity and the right to kill myself before I lose my senses and turn in to an helpless, demented, scared wreck who has to wait for 10 years until death finally comes.

Soundness of mind?

If you have a choice between a painful death now, or losing your mind completely, suffer, and have a basically useless life at cost of society and your family, how would someone sound of mind chose anything else than a painless death before the suffering starts.
 
2013-01-14 06:29:56 PM

BMFPitt: Good for them. Over here they'd need to try to DIY, due to Bible-thumping asshats.

If adults of sound mind want to die, they should be allowed to.


Exactly.

It is about choice, which the Reich is completely against.
 
2013-01-14 06:30:59 PM
Indonesia for the Indonesians!
 
2013-01-14 06:31:29 PM

Devo: spelletrader: Youth culture killed my dog...

there might be worse songs to get stuck in my head.


So it's justified?
 
2013-01-14 06:33:11 PM
It's their lives, it's their decision. Period. End of story. Anyone that's "hurt" about it can shut the fark up and mind their own business. Yes, that means close family too. You still don't own them......
 
2013-01-14 06:35:00 PM
This is the same reason Anne Frank committed suicide.
 
2013-01-14 06:36:51 PM
Really have mixed emotions about this... Last year, within a few months, I lost two good friends to almost identical cancers. One elected to depend on meds and pain killers provided by docs. She died with hospice supervising. Her death was not truly horrific--she was essentially insensate for the final month of her life--but there were moments of some lucidity when she was very frightened. The other friend decided to go out by her own choice. She said her goodbyes, and quietly departed this earthly plane through a carefully researched and crafted chemical cocktail. She told no one when it was going to happen and it was a surprise when she killed herself because she seemed to still be able to control her pain through meds. I wondered if she pulled her own plug sooner than was necessary. That might be my own selfishness inserting an opinion. Still, I miss them both.
 
2013-01-14 06:36:57 PM
bikkurikun:  We only fool ourselves that life has meaning and worth.

Maybe not from a cosmic perspective, but if you don't think my daughter's life has meaning and worth to me, you are delusional.

Finding meaning and worth in life is subjective and if you think there is no meaning or worth to any life anywhere to anyone, you are the one being fooled.

We should not, as a society, just turn a blind eye to the emotional and mental issues that often lead to suicide in the name of 'liberty' or, worse yet, overcrowding. I'm in favor of euthanasia, but what these brother's did was have someone else legally kill them because they didn't have the guts to do it to themselves.
 
2013-01-14 06:36:59 PM
Citrate1007:
tenpoundsofcheese: 0bamacare v1.0

It was voluntary douchebag.

I thought ALL douchebaggery was voluntary. Someone can do that TO you?

/ Hmmm..... Goes a long way towards explaining the Politics tab...
 
2013-01-14 06:37:06 PM

FlippityFlap: It's their lives, it's their decision. Period. End of story. Anyone that's "hurt" about it can shut the fark up and mind their own business. Yes, that means close family too. You still don't own them......


Over in however many taht was.
 
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