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(ESPN)   Having realized that the conference sucks, the B1G is considering renaming the Legends and Leaders divisions. Subby wonders if Penn State will go in the Rhythmic division or the Slapping division   (espn.go.com) divider line 51
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2013-01-14 01:44:17 PM
Geographic divisions, while leaving the matchup they want to have happen as much as possible in the championship game (Ohio St. vs. Michigan, which if that is the case, they need to move that game from the last week of the season every year, because having them play back to back all the time then is silly):

Anyway:

"South" - Rutgers, Maryland, Penn St., Ohio St, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois
"North" - Northwestern, Michigan, Michigan St., Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska
 
2013-01-14 02:49:23 PM
Everyone else wonders how much longer child rape jokes will be considered funny headline material.
 
2013-01-14 02:51:24 PM

dletter: Geographic divisions, while leaving the matchup they want to have happen as much as possible in the championship game (Ohio St. vs. Michigan, which if that is the case, they need to move that game from the last week of the season every year, because having them play back to back all the time then is silly):

Anyway:

"South" - Rutgers, Maryland, Penn St., Ohio St, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois
"North" - Northwestern, Michigan, Michigan St., Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska


Done. Next item of business.
 
2013-01-14 02:59:40 PM

dletter: Geographic divisions, while leaving the matchup they want to have happen as much as possible in the championship game (Ohio St. vs. Michigan, which if that is the case, they need to move that game from the last week of the season every year, because having them play back to back all the time then is silly):

Anyway:

"South" - Rutgers, Maryland, Penn St., Ohio St, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois
"North" - Northwestern, Michigan, Michigan St., Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska


Too much cake for the Buckeyes, but it won't be hard to come up with something.

Switch Wisconsin with Maryland and come up with better names than "Legends" and "Leaders", and I'd say we're done here.
 
2013-01-14 02:59:44 PM
How about the "Mediocre" and "Middlin" divisions. While they're at it, they should change their conference name to something without a number in it. Like "Midwest Collegiate Athetlic Conference" MCAC (pronounced "mmm... Cawk")
 
2013-01-14 03:01:44 PM

ten foiled hats: dletter: Geographic divisions, while leaving the matchup they want to have happen as much as possible in the championship game (Ohio St. vs. Michigan, which if that is the case, they need to move that game from the last week of the season every year, because having them play back to back all the time then is silly):

Anyway:

"South" - Rutgers, Maryland, Penn St., Ohio St, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois
"North" - Northwestern, Michigan, Michigan St., Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska

Too much cake for the Buckeyes, but it won't be hard to come up with something.

Switch Wisconsin with Maryland and come up with better names than "Legends" and "Leaders", and I'd say we're done here.


We could still use M's, N's, & Iowa rule that way, as well.
 
2013-01-14 03:04:34 PM

js34603: Everyone else wonders how much longer child rape jokes will be considered funny headline material.


Ben and Kobe beating their charges didn't stop 'em. Why should a university that fired most of the people involved in theirs stop 'em?
 
2013-01-14 03:25:06 PM

dletter: Geographic divisions, while leaving the matchup they want to have happen as much as possible in the championship game (Ohio St. vs. Michigan, which if that is the case, they need to move that game from the last week of the season every year, because having them play back to back all the time then is silly):

Anyway:

"South" - Rutgers, Maryland, Penn St., Ohio St, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois
"North" - Northwestern, Michigan, Michigan St., Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska


Pretty much this, except I'd call them "East" and "West"

/if Dallas can play in the NFC East, anything is possible...
 
2013-01-14 03:28:01 PM
B1G = currently 6 teams in the top 25.

Half of this conference that "sucks" is ranked in basketball, with 2 in the top 5.
 
2013-01-14 03:33:18 PM

WaltzingMathilda: B1G = currently 6 teams in the top 25.

Half of this conference that "sucks" is ranked in basketball, with 2 in the top 5.


You suck in the sport that matters, and that's what counts.

/Congrats to Northwestern
 
2013-01-14 03:43:25 PM
First for competitive balance:

A: Michigan, Ohio State as they want to be in the same division.
B: Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa

Odds are either Michigan or Ohio State will be good any one year. One of the three from the B division is likely to a good team (although Ferentz is declining rapidly so that might not be true anymore).

Next for regional travel group the Atlantic Seaboard schools and toss the B division a pair to even it out:
A: Child Rape U, Rutgers, Maryland
B: Minnesota, Illinois

That leaves MSU, Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern needing homes. Break them up however, it doesn't really matter as none of the programs are that great. I could see seeding MSU in with the B division for basketball and hockey balance and making their game against Big Brother the protected cross divisional football game.

/I just want to be back in the same division as OSU
//had OSU been eligible and Michigan had one less conference loss this year, we'd have assured a rematch prior to even playing. So the first game would have been meaningless shiat show of sandbagging.
 
2013-01-14 03:44:45 PM
Pretty sure they'll end up putting the kids in the Receiver's division subby.
 
2013-01-14 03:49:47 PM

dletter: Geographic divisions, while leaving the matchup they want to have happen as much as possible in the championship game (Ohio St. vs. Michigan, which if that is the case, they need to move that game from the last week of the season every year, because having them play back to back all the time then is silly):

Anyway:

"South" - Rutgers, Maryland, Penn St., Ohio St, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois
"North" - Northwestern, Michigan, Michigan St., Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska


Agreed but:

EAST: Rutgers, Maryland, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana
WEST: Purdue, Northwestern, Illinois, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska

Straight geographical lineup with Indiana-Purdue as a protected rivalry. No issues, no problems, no idiotic division names. If the East looks a little stacked remember that PSU has been gutted so tOSU-Mich is nicely offset by Wisky-Neb. not a big fan of trying to divide conferences by what are thought of as "the better programs" anyway. Time passes, times change and everyone has down years.
 
2013-01-14 03:58:22 PM

the1hatman: Time passes, times change and everyone has down years.


Yes, but only 4 or 5 schools in the B1G have any enduring legacy of consistently spending the dollars needed to be a top program. Wisconsin for example was god awful before Alvarez and now they just had Bielma bolt on them. In terms of schools that have the history of laying the money on the table for a top tier program its Michigan, OSU, and Nebraska. PSU built the facilities, but they could very well end up like Wisconsin where the success of one coach is not enduring.
 
2013-01-14 04:01:58 PM
I want Purdue in the division with IU, UofI, Maryland, Rutgers, Minnie and NW - that seems fair

I mean it seems pretty even to have Neb, PSU, OSU MSU, UofM, Iowa and Wisky all lumped together on the other side


With this my Boilermakers should get to the title game once every 10 year, right?
 
2013-01-14 04:06:09 PM

ha-ha-guy: First for competitive balance:

A: Michigan, Ohio State as they want to be in the same division.
B: Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa

Odds are either Michigan or Ohio State will be good any one year. One of the three from the B division is likely to a good team (although Ferentz is declining rapidly so that might not be true anymore).

Next for regional travel group the Atlantic Seaboard schools and toss the B division a pair to even it out:
A: Child Rape U, Rutgers, Maryland
B: Minnesota, Illinois

That leaves MSU, Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern needing homes. Break them up however, it doesn't really matter as none of the programs are that great. I could see seeding MSU in with the B division for basketball and hockey balance and making their game against Big Brother the protected cross divisional football game.

/I just want to be back in the same division as OSU
//had OSU been eligible and Michigan had one less conference loss this year, we'd have assured a rematch prior to even playing. So the first game would have been meaningless shiat show of sandbagging.


Basketball and hockey don't matter - divisions are football only.
 
2013-01-14 04:07:16 PM

p the boiler: I want Purdue in the division with IU, UofI, Maryland, Rutgers, Minnie and NW - that seems fair

I mean it seems pretty even to have Neb, PSU, OSU MSU, UofM, Iowa and Wisky all lumped together on the other side


With this my Boilermakers should get to the title game once every 10 year, right?


Rutgers and NW would own that division, with random U of I and Purdue years.
 
2013-01-14 04:10:46 PM

bacongood: p the boiler: I want Purdue in the division with IU, UofI, Maryland, Rutgers, Minnie and NW - that seems fair

I mean it seems pretty even to have Neb, PSU, OSU MSU, UofM, Iowa and Wisky all lumped together on the other side


With this my Boilermakers should get to the title game once every 10 year, right?

Rutgers and NW would own that division, with random U of I and Purdue years.


So potentially switch Rutgers with Iowa? NW is going to have a dip soon - they have to, I mean it is Northwestern. As long as Purdue makes it to the title game I am good. Even if it means bringing in Kansas and Duke as our 15th and 16th teams
 
2013-01-14 04:13:42 PM

bacongood: Basketball and hockey don't matter - divisions are football only.


If we go to 16 (I hope not) that might not hold true for basketball. As for hockey, hopefully more schools add hockey and we reach the point of needing hockey divisions.
 
2013-01-14 04:13:46 PM

IlGreven: js34603: Everyone else wonders how much longer child rape jokes will be considered funny headline material.

Ben and Kobe beating their charges didn't stop 'em. Why should a university that fired most of the people involved in theirs stop 'em?


"beating"? Ha!
 
2013-01-14 04:40:02 PM

the1hatman: Agreed but:

EAST: Rutgers, Maryland, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana
WEST: Purdue, Northwestern, Illinois, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska

Straight geographical lineup with Indiana-Purdue as a protected rivalry. No issues, no problems, no idiotic division names. If the East looks a little stacked remember that PSU has been gutted so tOSU-Mich is nicely offset by Wisky-Neb. not a big fan of trying to divide conferences by what are thought of as "the better programs" anyway. Time passes, times change and everyone has down years


I liked the Eye of Sauron division set up that was in their poll (they called it inner/outer) as far as historical balance and rivalries. Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern, Illinois in one division, and Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa and Nebraska in the other. But I doubt they do that, as it's certainly a little weird geographically.
 
2013-01-14 04:46:28 PM
Everyone who is putting Michigan & Ohio St. in the same division....

If they wanted to do that, they could already have that..... they could have went with a very easy East/West setup, with PSU, OSU, Mich, Mich St., Indiana, Purdue in the East.

It is very obvious that they feel that they want Ohio St. and Michigan in that championship game as much as possible.  Now, I would agree, having the "traditional" OSU/Mich game the final week of the season then diminishes that, so, hopefully they'd move that to maybe early November instead, but, otherwise, what am I missing that if they really wanted Mich & OSU in the same division, they wouldn't already have done that?
 
2013-01-14 04:53:37 PM

dletter: Everyone who is putting Michigan & Ohio St. in the same division....

If they wanted to do that, they could already have that..... they could have went with a very easy East/West setup, with PSU, OSU, Mich, Mich St., Indiana, Purdue in the East.

It is very obvious that they feel that they want Ohio St. and Michigan in that championship game as much as possible.  Now, I would agree, having the "traditional" OSU/Mich game the final week of the season then diminishes that, so, hopefully they'd move that to maybe early November instead, but, otherwise, what am I missing that if they really wanted Mich & OSU in the same division, they wouldn't already have done that?


That a lot of Michigan and OSU fans are still upset and lobbying for it. That is why it is still going on.

/we're the Big 2 after all
 
2013-01-14 04:58:21 PM

ha-ha-guy: Ferentz is declining rapidly so that might not be true anymore).


Giant this, sadly. Can't really think of anything that worked well last year, nearly everything top down needs changed, and I'm not sure if Ferentz can/will be there long enough to see it through. Hopefully Saturdays are better this year!
 
2013-01-14 05:01:43 PM

ha-ha-guy: dletter: Everyone who is putting Michigan & Ohio St. in the same division....

If they wanted to do that, they could already have that..... they could have went with a very easy East/West setup, with PSU, OSU, Mich, Mich St., Indiana, Purdue in the East.

It is very obvious that they feel that they want Ohio St. and Michigan in that championship game as much as possible.  Now, I would agree, having the "traditional" OSU/Mich game the final week of the season then diminishes that, so, hopefully they'd move that to maybe early November instead, but, otherwise, what am I missing that if they really wanted Mich & OSU in the same division, they wouldn't already have done that?

That a lot of Michigan and OSU fans are still upset and lobbying for it. That is why it is still going on.

/we're the Big 2 after all


Fans don't run the conferences, the conferences do.   Unless by "fans" you mean "high dollar donors", which then, they might have some pull.  But, that is still only 2/14 of the conference now. although, considering I am guessing Michigan wants to be in with Mich St., you are pulling a lot of the football "power" into one division, so, any teams in the other division will be happy to have not as many traditionally "good teams" to beat to possibly get to the championship game.
 
2013-01-14 05:02:25 PM

GQueue: the1hatman: Agreed but:

EAST: Rutgers, Maryland, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana
WEST: Purdue, Northwestern, Illinois, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska

Straight geographical lineup with Indiana-Purdue as a protected rivalry. No issues, no problems, no idiotic division names. If the East looks a little stacked remember that PSU has been gutted so tOSU-Mich is nicely offset by Wisky-Neb. not a big fan of trying to divide conferences by what are thought of as "the better programs" anyway. Time passes, times change and everyone has down years

I liked the Eye of Sauron division set up that was in their poll (they called it inner/outer) as far as historical balance and rivalries. Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern, Illinois in one division, and Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa and Nebraska in the other. But I doubt they do that, as it's certainly a little weird geographically.


Can't do that inner and outer way because the schools on the outer will have significantly higher travel budgets for teams and fan bases. It costs more to go from Iowa to New Jersey than from Michigan to Indiana.
 
2013-01-14 05:10:18 PM

dletter: Michigan wants to be in with Mich St


Not really. Our hate is based on pure geographic proximity. They could go join the SEC and the hate would remain.
 
2013-01-14 05:34:04 PM
I'm sure PSU's division will always end up coming in a little behind

/so original
 
2013-01-14 05:36:30 PM
When deciding on division names in December 2010, Delany said the Big Ten "didn't have great options."

"We weren't going to go with 'Bo or Woody,' 'Black or Blue,' or 'Plains or Lakes,' " Delany said. "Obviously we got some acceptance [with Legends and Leaders], but not as much as we would have liked."


HOW ABOUT EAST AND WEST, ASSHOLE.
 
2013-01-14 05:47:17 PM

meanmutton: IlGreven: js34603: Everyone else wonders how much longer child rape jokes will be considered funny headline material.

Ben and Kobe beating their charges didn't stop 'em. Why should a university that fired most of the people involved in theirs stop 'em?

"beating"? Ha!


Do you see 'em in prison?
 
2013-01-14 06:16:09 PM

js34603: Everyone else wonders how much longer child rape jokes will be considered funny headline material.


Until Penn State's football program is locked in a basement with its screams unable to be heard?
 
2013-01-14 07:07:40 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: Pretty sure they'll end up putting the kids in the Receiver's division subby.


I was more along the line of Tight End first, then they become more of a receiver. But they might be more of a Defensive Back before they get used to catching balls.
 
2013-01-14 07:21:15 PM
Call them the Hayes and Schembechler divisions, drop the stupid new logo and get one that actually says Big Ten, problem solved.
 
2013-01-14 07:26:17 PM
How about the 'Sanctioned' and 'Not Yet Sanctioned' divisions?
 
2013-01-14 08:04:30 PM

JosephFinn: Call them the Hayes and Schembechler divisions, drop the stupid new logo and get one that actually says Big Ten, problem solved.


Hayes was an asshole. Hell of a coach, but an asshole. He should have nothing named for him. You lead by example, and while he did many admirable things, he was a hot head. He was an example of an outdated concept. In his world violence towards others was acceptable. In the modern era he would have been fired decades before he was after trying to punch a reporter, missing and punching a reporter's brother.

The adoration and idolization of him is sad.
 
2013-01-14 08:17:52 PM
I still think Lakes and Plains is pretty good.
 
2013-01-14 08:26:10 PM

js34603: Everyone else wonders how much longer child rape jokes will be considered funny headline material.


I dunno.  When will catholic-priest-pedophile jokes get old?
 
2013-01-14 08:30:06 PM

js34603: Everyone else wonders how much longer child rape jokes will be considered funny headline material. WAAAH! WAAAH! Why is everybody making fun of my favorite team just because they covered up child rape for 14 years. It's not fair. WAAH!


FTFY
 
2013-01-14 09:02:46 PM
How about the Sanctions and Probation Divisions?
 
2013-01-14 09:06:26 PM

Mentat: How about the Sanctions and Probation Divisions?


Non-compliance and Coverup?
Tattoos and Test Scores?
 
2013-01-14 09:26:07 PM
How about Cornbelt and Rustbelt?

/or you know, something crazy like East and West?
 
2013-01-14 09:33:07 PM

dletter: Geographic divisions, while leaving the matchup they want to have happen as much as possible in the championship game (Ohio St. vs. Michigan, which if that is the case, they need to move that game from the last week of the season every year, because having them play back to back all the time then is silly):


NO. A thousand times no. Just because the Big 10 wanted to get a title game is no reason to lessen the best rivalry in all of sports. If anything, add to it...put them in the same division and keep them as the last game. Winner gets to (usually) go to the title game.
 
2013-01-14 09:35:13 PM
I can never remember whether Purdue is in the Leaders or Legends division. Since this only applies to football divisions and not basketball or math, I'm pretty sure we are neither.
 
2013-01-14 09:36:44 PM

dookdookdook: js34603: Everyone else wonders how much longer child rape jokes will be considered funny headline material.

I dunno.  When will catholic-priest-pedophile jokes get old?


15 years ago?
 
2013-01-15 12:42:12 AM
I have used "Rhythmic Wet Slapping" as a karaoke alias. The DJ had trouble saying it all at once without laughing.
 
2013-01-15 06:35:13 AM

dletter:
"South" - Rutgers, Maryland, Penn St., Ohio St, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois
"North" - Northwestern, Michigan, Michigan St., Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska


Penn State in the "South" and Nebraska in the "North". . . oookay then.

I understand that people want to consider matchups more than geography, but 50 years later you'll have no clue how the power balance has shifted, while the schools will still be in the exact same locations. About the only thing you can take for granted in the B1G is that most years Ohio State or Michigan will contend for the title, if not both. Right now it's an anomaly because Michigan is rebuilding and OSU is grounded, but otherwise that's the only thing that HAS stayed mostly static the last 50 years.
 
2013-01-15 09:23:02 AM

dragonchild: dletter:
"South" - Rutgers, Maryland, Penn St., Ohio St, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois
"North" - Northwestern, Michigan, Michigan St., Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska

Penn State in the "South" and Nebraska in the "North". . . oookay then.

I understand that people want to consider matchups more than geography, but 50 years later you'll have no clue how the power balance has shifted, while the schools will still be in the exact same locations. About the only thing you can take for granted in the B1G is that most years Ohio State or Michigan will contend for the title, if not both. Right now it's an anomaly because Michigan is rebuilding and OSU is grounded, but otherwise that's the only thing that HAS stayed mostly static the last 50 years.


Actually, it is more "Southeast" and "Northwest"... but, I was splitting it up and trying to keep OSU & Michigan in different divisions which is what it seems like the conference wants.  I was totally going by geography, you can draw very clear ovals around each of those divisions.

If they would go with a truly "east" /  "west" geographical format, then you'd have Rutgers, Maryland, PSU, OSU, Michigan, Michigan St. in the east, plus 1 more, and then it gets a little tricky... you'd have to split up the Indiana schools then (they wouldn't want that), or put Wisconsin in the east and break them away from Minnesota and Iowa.    As much as East/West would make some sense (and it would have worked well with the 12 teams when the indiana schools would have been in the east instead of the 2 east coast schools), with Rutgers and Maryland coming in, the "Southeast"/"Northwest" divisions probably work better.
 
2013-01-15 11:19:37 AM

Rapmaster2000: I can never remember whether Purdue is in the Leaders or Legends division. Since this only applies to football divisions and not basketball or math, I'm pretty sure we are neither.


Purdue is in the Leaders. I only know this because they are in the same division as Illinois (my alma mater), and we are in opposite of Michigan, which claims to be the "Leaders and best" but is somehow in the Legends division.
 
2013-01-15 05:08:30 PM
I'd go with "Stink" and "Pink".
 
2013-01-15 06:28:00 PM

Cataholic: I'd go with "Stink" and "Pink".


So a division of one and a division of two. That's a shocking idea.
 
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