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2013-01-14 02:32:03 PM  
8 votes:
HOA's are a fantastic example of the idea that power corrupts.
2013-01-14 01:47:34 PM  
8 votes:
I swear to god HOAs are lawyers collective attempt to become ruler of their own little country. And people BUY INTO IT!

/you could pay me to live in an HOA
//it would have to be a lot of money, but you could pay me.
2013-01-14 01:45:32 PM  
7 votes:
Step one: let the petty tyrants sue you.
Step two: seek attorneys fees when you bounce their frivolous suit right out of court.
Step three: record the judgment for attorneys fees and slap a lien on their house.
Step four: LOL.
2013-01-14 03:20:02 PM  
6 votes:

Elzar: I've lived in an HOA, it was an outrage! My property value didn't go down, my neighbors weren't allowed to park their broke down cars on the front lawn and I wasn't even able to call the cops on my neighbors for them not blasting music into the wee hours of the morning.


I know I mean who wants to get to know their neighbors? To discuss with them like rational adults about neighborhood concerns like broken down cars and loud music. No better to sign away your rights and have other people enforce codes so you can continue to be the farking coward you are.
2013-01-14 02:08:51 PM  
6 votes:

Diogenes: I don't know what it's like elsewhere, but here in Central Florida (and I believe the majority of the rest of the state) you can't avoid them. You'd never find a house if you won't accept an HOA.

Mine is OK. Which is surprising because we have alot of cranky old folks.


You seriously can't, even in rural areas?  It's much the opposite here, I've never heard of any HOAs here, at least not in any of the old towns, maybe some newer developments have them.

Elzar: I've lived in an HOA, it was an outrage! My property value didn't go down, my neighbors weren't allowed to park their broke down cars on the front lawn and I wasn't even able to call the cops on my neighbors for them not blasting music into the wee hours of the morning.


The alley behind my house is strewn with vehicles in various states of operation and disrepair.  What's so offensive about broken down cars?  Typically they get cut up and sold for scrap in short order anyway, what with the price of scrap iron through the roof these days.  I'll take my freedom, thanks anyway.  No one gets to tell me what to do with my property.
2013-01-14 03:28:47 PM  
5 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: These HOA horror stories are largely the exception, not the rule. Most HOAs are run by decent people, and they're set up to ensure that the common areas are maintained and that the mutually-beneficial and agreed-upon covenants are enforced.

We hear these reports and we like to think that all HOAs are run by fascist busybodies in an attempt to create a Stepford Wives neighborhood, but that's by and large just an Internet fantasy.

Having lived in both an HOA and non HOA community, I think that for suburban/town living, I'd go with the HOA 100% of the time, but for rural/country living, no way.


Me? Not a friggin' chance. An HOA is a deal-killer for me. The problem is that the HOA may be all decent and useful now, but later, when houses change hands and suddenly the nastiest folks in the neighborhood have staged a 'coup', for lack of a better term, and are now running the show, the HOA can become a problem later.

Much easier to buy into a non-HOA community and not worry about it, than buy into an HOA community knowing that you'll have to participate in an ersatz local government just to ensure it doesn't get taken over by the neighborhood Nazi.
2013-01-14 03:13:43 PM  
5 votes:
HoA's tend to be ran by Tea Party types that get off on their micro-fascist power trips.
2013-01-14 03:54:21 PM  
4 votes:

miltoncharles: My HOA has taken me to court three times to get me to take down my "prohibited" DirecTV dish.  FCC law specifically prohibits homeowner's associations from banning DSS dishes.  HOA: "FCC laws do not apply to us."  Court: "Uhm, yes they do."

Well, long story short, I've won all three times, but can't get the court to award me legal fees. So, every couple of years, I'm out $3k in legal fees to keep my DirecTV dish.

//gotta have NFL Sunday Ticket
///go Steelers
////next year


Simple, fight fire with fire. Deliver a registered letter to your HOA that includes the FCC law and the outcomes of the last three cases. Clearly inform them that if they come to you with it again you will file a harassment suit against them.

And when they do it again, pull out the fact that you sent them the registered letter and file the damned suit.
2013-01-14 03:14:51 PM  
4 votes:

Citrate1007: HoA's tend to be ran by Tea Party types that get off on their micro-fascist power trips.


Umm, no. HOAs are liberals, they want to control everything, tax everything, run everything.

Liberals LOVE HOAs. They want to turn the country into a giant HOA.
2013-01-14 05:20:55 PM  
3 votes:

ph0rk: lohphat: Elzar: I've lived in an HOA, it was an outrage! My property value didn't go down, my neighbors weren't allowed to park their broke down cars on the front lawn and I wasn't even able to call the cops on my neighbors for them not blasting music into the wee hours of the morning.

My home value has doubled since purchase in 1999. I don't have your problems and I don't have to ask anyone what color I can paint my house or what my front garden looks like.

Solution: don't live near hillbillies.

You have no control over how your neighborhood may chance 10, 15 years from now.

Unless you have an HOA and participate in it, of course, then you do.


There's no HOA where I live but we do have these wacky things known as "ordinances". "Ordinances" are pretty neat, they address many of the same issues that HOA regs do but I don't have to pay twice (property taxes and HOA fees). And I get the added bonus of legal recourse, not b.s. arbitration decided by an arbitrator chosen by your HOA board.
2013-01-14 03:51:09 PM  
3 votes:

Private_Citizen: I've owned houses in two areas without HOAs, and one with them. The one with an HOA (the current one) is a much nicer place to live.

Without an HOA, I've dealt with neighbors who:

- had a garage sale every Fri, Sat and Sun.
- one who built a stone monstrosity in their backyard and topped it with a full sized Teepee
-people who so badly maintained their outbuildings that the termites collapsed them
-even people who expressed their creativity by painting trippy murals on their fence
-and, of course, loud music, yelling, parties, etc at all times of day and night.


And none of that is your business except for the last one, which you deal with by calling the cops and filing a noise complaint.

If somebody wants to paint their house neon pink with mint green polkadots, its their house and thats their right.
2013-01-14 03:40:22 PM  
3 votes:
"Furthermore, this notice also requires you not to at any measure mention anything regarding my name, any resident of Stonecreek, NOR will we ALLOW any of your printing in any article regarding Stonecreek at any time in any publication," the message stated. "You will be held liable for any violations of this letter and notice/request in this email. If we find/discover you have mentioned Stonecreek in any legal matter their (sic) will be action toward yourself as well as any print paper you represent in the media article."

Is it just me, or does this read like some sort of Sovereign Citizen derp?
2013-01-14 03:17:21 PM  
3 votes:

Elzar: I've lived in an HOA, it was an outrage! My property value didn't go down, my neighbors weren't allowed to park their broke down cars on the front lawn and I wasn't even able to call the cops on my neighbors for them not blasting music into the wee hours of the morning.


You know you can do this literally anywhere, genius.
2013-01-14 01:59:36 PM  
3 votes:

ajgeek: And people BUY INTO IT!


That's the real puzzling part.  I don't get what the upshot is.  I suppose if you REALLY loved conformity and wanted to live in a neighborhood where the houses all look the same.  Can't really see why it would appeal to anyone.  I've got a pickup truck without plates in my yard just for driving around on my property, I've got two septic tanks still in the ground, I cut my grass when the mood strikes me.  I wouldn't last a week in an HOA environment.
2013-01-14 01:55:56 PM  
3 votes:
If we find/discover you have mentioned Stonecreek in any legal matter their (sic) will be action toward yourself as well as any print paper you represent in the media article.

Lulz.

My mom's HOA is pretty bad.  Not the rules, but the leaders.  It's been a succession of little dictators pretty much since she's been there.  But, I have become tone deaf to her complaints.  She won't get involved - go to meetings, attempt to vote out the Napoleons, etc.  And she's pretty much fully retired now.  I agree they're terrible, but if she won't even try do to anything I just can't get all exercised over it.
2013-01-14 04:52:19 PM  
2 votes:
HOAs can't be described as liberal/conservative because they exist on a different political "axis". It's a question of authoritarian/libertarian.
2013-01-14 04:50:38 PM  
2 votes:

jamesmusik: They put up a phone call with the guy. It's pure genius.

http://www.courierpress.com/videos/detail/a-conversation-with-stonec re ek-hoa-president-steph/


Best part was all the "if you write an article about us we'll sue you" interspersed with "you'd better put this information about us in your article!"
2013-01-14 04:50:30 PM  
2 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: These HOA horror stories are largely the exception, not the rule. Most HOAs are run by decent people, and they're set up to ensure that the common areas are maintained and that the mutually-beneficial and agreed-upon covenants are enforced.


None of this matters. Your "nice" HOA can always be turned into one of the "bad" ones after you have been living there for years. The only way to be sure you won't end up in a bad one is to never join any of them.
2013-01-14 04:49:31 PM  
2 votes:
I just listened to the recording of the phone call with the HOA president. He mad. Real mad. Is he supposed to be a lawyer? Because it doesn't sound like half of the things he is threatening to sue the paper for he can even sue for. And how much you want to bet that the five people he claims that were being harassed by the reporter are five people from the HOA board that the reporter contacted to request an interview with. I would love to see a follow up on this story.
2013-01-14 04:35:13 PM  
2 votes:
I don't care what you have to say about HOA's, you know everything you need to about THAT one from that article. The fact that the a-hole decided to try and threaten a farking newspaper in to not running a story tells you pretty much everything you need to know about Mr. "Drunk With Power" Hess. That he tried to threaten them not to even use their NAME, the name on the damn sign which is a matter of public record. Seriously, fark that guy.
2013-01-14 04:19:44 PM  
2 votes:
Hey guys, HOA's can also provide security for your apartment complex or neighborhood.

2.bp.blogspot.com

By friendly residents in your community!!!!
2013-01-14 04:04:28 PM  
2 votes:
I'm the left-est most liberal of liberal of liberals. My heart bleeds blue. I worship Obama as the next coming of Jesus Christ. I'm an atheist, a tax-payer, and I love the gays.

I would never, ever live in a house that has an HOA.
2013-01-14 03:49:30 PM  
2 votes:

Elzar: I've lived in an HOA, it was an outrage! My property value didn't go down, my neighbors weren't allowed to park their broke down cars on the front lawn and I wasn't even able to call the cops on my neighbors for them not blasting music into the wee hours of the morning.


I don't pay an HOA, and that happens to me all the time. My property has appreciated, my neighbors are so quiet it's almost spooky, and if anyone can hear music, it's me.
2013-01-14 03:47:04 PM  
2 votes:

MmmmBacon: Thunderpipes: Citrate1007: HoA's tend to be ran by Tea Party types that get off on their micro-fascist power trips.

Umm, no. HOAs are liberals, they want to control everything, tax everything, run everything.

Liberals LOVE HOAs. They want to turn the country into a giant HOA.

I'm a Liberal, and I wouldn't join an HOA to save my life.


Likewise. Liberals tend to dislike petty authoritarian dickheads.
2013-01-14 03:32:03 PM  
2 votes:

Thunderpipes: Citrate1007: HoA's tend to be ran by Tea Party types that get off on their micro-fascist power trips.

Umm, no. HOAs are liberals, they want to control everything, tax everything, run everything.

Liberals LOVE HOAs. They want to turn the country into a giant HOA.


I'm a Liberal, and I wouldn't join an HOA to save my life.
2013-01-14 03:28:32 PM  
2 votes:
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2013-01-14 03:24:14 PM  
2 votes:

MisterLoki: "Furthermore, this notice also requires you not to at any measure mention anything regarding my name, any resident of Stonecreek, NOR will we ALLOW any of your printing in any article regarding Stonecreek at any time in any publication,"

lol


He might as well just said "I'm a powerful tool in my own little HOA pond, and I think my perceived authority extends into the real world, so I'm going to issue silly orders to you."

Oh, and, Stonecreek, featuring what I believe to be the dulcet dictatorship of Stephen Heß...excuse me, Hess. Like this is the first time a Hess has issued silly orders.
2013-01-14 03:23:52 PM  
2 votes:
These HOA horror stories are largely the exception, not the rule. Most HOAs are run by decent people, and they're set up to ensure that the common areas are maintained and that the mutually-beneficial and agreed-upon covenants are enforced.

We hear these reports and we like to think that all HOAs are run by fascist busybodies in an attempt to create a Stepford Wives neighborhood, but that's by and large just an Internet fantasy.

Having lived in both an HOA and non HOA community, I think that for suburban/town living, I'd go with the HOA 100% of the time, but for rural/country living, no way.
2013-01-14 03:16:37 PM  
2 votes:
In general, I don't like dealing with rules of any kind when I'm in my own home.

I put up with them in school; I put up with them when I'm out in public; I put up with them at work all day...That's enough being told what I can and can't do, as far as I'm concerned.

If it's my property, I'll do what I want.

Screw the HOA!
2013-01-14 03:09:46 PM  
2 votes:
Stonecreek, Stonecreek, Streisand...er, Stonecreek.
2013-01-14 03:09:40 PM  
2 votes:

scottydoesntknow: They sure pissed my mom off when she apparently didn't paint her mailbox an "approved color", but she was happy when they made the people down the street re-paint the trim of their house after deciding to go with a godawful pink color.


So your mom is a hypocrite?
2013-01-14 02:41:21 PM  
2 votes:
Looks like he graduated from the "You can make anything stick in court simply by declaring it to be so in writing!" school of law. He's perfect for an HOA president.
2013-01-14 02:00:27 PM  
2 votes:
I've lived in an HOA, it was an outrage! My property value didn't go down, my neighbors weren't allowed to park their broke down cars on the front lawn and I wasn't even able to call the cops on my neighbors for them not blasting music into the wee hours of the morning.
2013-01-15 01:38:28 AM  
1 votes:

lohphat: No. We just can coordinate a civil peaceful existence without having to throw a bureaucracy (often led by petty tyrants) and bleed several hundred dollars a month for it. We have city code enforcement and zoning which take care of things by existing statutes. Why throw more governance at a non-existent problem?


This is pretty much what my neighborhood does. We have one older gentleman who's beginning to 'slip' in his mind a little who really likes to see things maintained the way they were in the old days, so when my husband and I bought our house, our other neighbors quietly came and explained that 'Bob' might tell us to maintain things a certain way, and if we basically agreed and did it the first few times, he'd wind up just coming and doing them "since young people are so busy these days." So we did, and so he does.

He's just at a place in his life where the need to feel control over something, anything, is less important than anything else in his empty, retired-guy schedule, and since the neighbors have this tacit agreement that when you come home and find 'Bob' mowing your lawn, you order him a pizza, send him home with a batch of brownies or offer him a ride to one of his two appointments a week now that he doesn't drive, he feels valued and liked despite the fact that he really has very little else to enjoy in life. I've really gotten to like him despite his need for control, as he tells wonderful rambly stories and is a nice old guy. The ladies my mother's age on the street take turns going and talking with him as he plants everyone's flower beds, we all chip in for the flowers informally (we pass a literal hat to do so,) and each year we get a Christmas wreath or something for 'Bob' and make a big fuss about how he keeps the neighborhood beautiful. And that kid two doors down with all the piercings helped him with the Christmas lights on his house, which was adorable to see.

Given an HOA, 'Bob' would be King of the Assholes.

Given a neighborhood of quiet reasonable people and tacit understanding, 'Bob' is a local character whose mild eccentricity makes him beloved.

I wouldn't mind HOAs so much if I didn't see places without them doing the same things better, cheaper and with less kerfuffle.
2013-01-14 11:40:55 PM  
1 votes:

MelGoesOnTour: Wow. There are so many people posting here crying "if it's my property, I'll do what I want with it" it's clear that MOST of those people don't actually OWN property! Seriously, stfu if you don't actually own a house in a nice area. Sucks to be you, I guess. Just quit biatching about stuff you have no clue about to begin with. Sheesh!

/dang arm-chair realtor experts, I tells ya!


I cant speak for everyone else in the thread who has a property rights slant but I do own a house. I think its in a pretty nice area but that is a subjective call. Its not a matter of being a realty expert but of wanting some amount of freedom and being willing to give your neighbors the same. I really dont care if a neighbor paints his house purple with pink polka dots or parks his car in his yard. It changes not one molecule of my property. I dont live under the illusion that my house is some sort of rare keepsake investment that must remain sterile and untouched. Nor do I think that its purpose is to be worth more later. It is a home. I fart in it, paint it whatever color I want and take care of the lawn the way I damn well please. If that costs me a bit when I go to sell someday, or more likely after I die in it, then so be it.
2013-01-14 11:07:22 PM  
1 votes:

Phinn: I didn't even read the article. What makes you think I'm going to read the inane drivel of a bunch of shut-ins, spergs, and Obama voters?


WTF does this has to do with Obama? Why does every farking thread have to be partisan bullshiat?
2013-01-14 10:42:55 PM  
1 votes:
"We're taught in appraisal courses that maximum value is achieved through homogeneity of some sort," Matthews said.

I just puked in my mouth a little. Yay, Conformity = value. Feh.
2013-01-14 10:10:10 PM  
1 votes:

Citrate1007: Thunderpipes: Citrate1007: HoA's tend to be ran by Tea Party types that get off on their micro-fascist power trips.

Umm, no. HOAs are liberals, they want to control everything, tax everything, run everything.

Liberals LOVE HOAs. They want to turn the country into a giant HOA.

Guess it depends on what part of the country you live in. Either way they often attract farkwads to their leadership.


Simple test, how many conservatives would ever make someone take down an American flag? How many HOAs do that? They are all liberal.
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-01-14 07:46:47 PM  
1 votes:

Private_Citizen: I've noticed that when given total freedom, there's a certain type of person who just goes crazy, becomes a complete ass and generally runs their Freak Flag up the ole flag pole. The internet is a classic example (See John Gabriel's "Greater Internet Dickwad Theory").


Some go into school administration, too...
2013-01-14 07:45:02 PM  
1 votes:
If you care whether or not your neighbor has a satellite dish on his roof, you do need to kill yourself.
2013-01-14 06:57:05 PM  
1 votes:

Rent Party: jst3phark And Molly Ziegler: Rent Party: I am God. Prove I'm not.

Well, I believe you're God. Where do I send money?

I am a better God, I will let you eat pork. I accept pay pal. EiP.

Hey, you can do all of that with Me, too, and I'll even throw in a set of knives and a toaster!


God doesn't botch simple HTML. My children! Rise up and put the heathan imposter to death!
2013-01-14 06:35:18 PM  
1 votes:

ProfessorOhki: Or do you agree that the trend of moving governing to local, smaller (and by virtue of size, more easily corrupted) smaller governments is generally a conservative stance?


I'm pretty sure that the present day "conservative" stance is "whatever let's me do as I please, pay no taxes and get rich and everybody else can go blow a dog." I could be mistaken.
2013-01-14 06:16:22 PM  
1 votes:
What's funny is I live in this city (seriously). I know exactly where Stonecreek is - it's on the north side, full of upper middle class yuppies who want to live close enough to city limits for all the services, but just outside the city for tax reasons.

Fark every one of those little pricks.
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-01-14 05:22:11 PM  
1 votes:

Jument: If someone is having three "garage sales" a week they are basically running at thrift store out of their garage. You'd really be ok with that next door to you? With cars parked in front of your house all day every weekend and lots of foot traffic? Sure, it wouldn't be the end of the world but I would not want that next to me.


If this is happening there is no HOA action needed. Municipalities have laws that require licensing of Garage Sales and limit the number to three or so a year (at least here in Indiana). That's because garage sales can be an end run around retail laws. If it is a real problem just rat them out... those laws are there to deal with garage sale abusers.
2013-01-14 05:19:24 PM  
1 votes:

Mr_Fabulous: I was the president of a condo HOA once. Didn't want the job, really... but I was already on the board as VP when the president of 12 years quit in a huff.

Some dumbass actually called me in the middle of the night because there was a raccoon on his back steps. I advised him to throw things at it and make loud noises.


As long as you don't keep chickens and the raccoon doesn't have a key to your house, the proper response to seeing a raccoon is "Oh. A raccoon. Now I'll go back to what I was doing."

//if you have an HOA you probably don't keep chickens
2013-01-14 05:09:52 PM  
1 votes:
I dont think HOAs would be such a problem if instead of lording over people they actually tried to work with them. Instead of a threating letter right off the bat how about a phone call or stop by. Small things like that would probably help in the long run.
2013-01-14 05:01:10 PM  
1 votes:

ShadowkahnCRX: If you were shopping for a house, would you be willing to pay more for a place you were looking at when you saw that the neighbor had 49 pink flamingos in the yard, a bright green house with pink trim, and a rusty old truck up on blocks in the tall grass?


Me.

Because if nobody cares if the neighbor has 49 lawn flamingos and terrible taste in colors (or at least nobody can legally stop him) then nobody is going to be playing petty dictator over my property, either. Freedom is worth a lot to me.
2013-01-14 04:56:40 PM  
1 votes:

Private_Citizen: I've owned houses in two areas without HOAs, and one with them. The one with an HOA (the current one) is a much nicer place to live.

Without an HOA, I've dealt with neighbors who:

- had a garage sale every Fri, Sat and Sun.
- one who built a stone monstrosity in their backyard and topped it with a full sized Teepee
-people who so badly maintained their outbuildings that the termites collapsed them
-even people who expressed their creativity by painting trippy murals on their fence
-and, of course, loud music, yelling, parties, etc at all times of day and night.

I'm sure every homeowner has their own nightmare neighbor stories. Yes, an HOA can be missued by petty tyrants (Stonecreek) but with decent people, they protect the interests of the decent people.


As long as they didn't do any of those things on MY property, I'd have problems with absolutely none of them. What they do on their own property is their own business.

Still, I suppose busybodies will be busybodies.
2013-01-14 04:54:27 PM  
1 votes:

ShadowkahnCRX: If you were shopping for a house, would you be willing to pay more for a place you were looking at when you saw that the neighbor had 49 pink flamingos in the yard, a bright green house with pink trim, and a rusty old truck up on blocks in the tall grass?


How would you pay more? Wouldn't you just pay what the value of the house is? Those who buy an HOA house have to pay more. Monthly.
2013-01-14 04:52:33 PM  
1 votes:

Endive Wombat: Apparently YEARS back when the set of track homes was being built, it was built against a large piece of property owned by a single owner. So this enterprising owner builds like 20 houses that look almost exactly the same as the adjacent track homes, but with bigger lots and not part of any HOA and sells off the homes.


Cash in on the new construction AND troll a HOA in one fell swoop? Brilliant.
2013-01-14 04:45:19 PM  
1 votes:
"Property values"? They mean "expected resale prices" for people who want to flip houses, not live in them. The value of a property lies in what you are able to do with it. What they want is high prices but low value.

When you give someone the power to make other people do what you want them to, you're giving that person the power to make you do what other people want you to.
2013-01-14 04:42:32 PM  
1 votes:
HOAs and me are incompatible.

I like to weld, burn shiat and blow crap up.

If I could fire guns in my backyard I would.

I like to let my grass grow long sometimes for the hell of it.

My Christmas decorations were all UV based this year, it was creepy.

That Stonecreek dick can bite me.
2013-01-14 04:41:25 PM  
1 votes:
I live in a gated community and my HOA has hired police to come and harass residents if they drive 3 mph over the speed limit or they don't count to five Mississippis at stop signs. They even leave tickets on cars that are partially blocking the sidewalk at 2 a.m. on a Saturday morning. Is like a police state.
2013-01-14 04:34:49 PM  
1 votes:

Fano: nekom: ajgeek: And people BUY INTO IT!

That's the real puzzling part.  I don't get what the upshot is.  I suppose if you REALLY loved conformity and wanted to live in a neighborhood where the houses all look the same.  Can't really see why it would appeal to anyone.  I've got a pickup truck without plates in my yard just for driving around on my property, I've got two septic tanks still in the ground, I cut my grass when the mood strikes me.  I wouldn't last a week in an HOA environment.

Farkers that defend hoas typically tell you that if you don't have an hoa, all your neighbors will let the grass get ten feet tall, leave rusting cars and dead dogs on their front lawn, and paint their house plaid with a middle finger pointed at your bedroom window.


In short, HOAs stop you from having fun neighbors.

/What happens in the ten-foot-tall grass, stays in the ten-foot-tall grass
2013-01-14 04:33:05 PM  
1 votes:
My little CSB:

A year after I bought my first home, a new housing development went in across the road, complete with their own asinine HOA.

These people were so uptight and controlling, they kept trying to go after me and my neighbors for supposed infractions of their HOA bylaws. Never mind we were not part of the development. Never mind that our houses and properties existed 50 years before the development was ever put in. Their claim was, that since our properties were adjacent to the development, we were subject to their bylaws, because our properties were "affecting the value of the houses in the development".

We scoffed them away at first, so the HOA leaders shot back (figuratively) by making frequent and repeated complaints to the township for supposed property violations. Everything from noise complaints to complaints that my hedges were 1" too tall. YES, they called the township on me because someone from the HOA came over and measured my hedge, the day before I do my weekly yard-work, and found it was exactly 1" over township regulations.

Even though the township inspectors found no evidence of township violations, me and my neighbors were still fined for being "nuisance properties", due to the sheer volume of complaints. Not once was the HOA cited for all the false claims they made to police and the township.

Thanks to this, I now know that even if you do find a house without an HOA, if one ever moves in near your home, they WILL find a way to lord over you.
2013-01-14 04:32:52 PM  
1 votes:

miltoncharles: My HOA has taken me to court three times to get me to take down my "prohibited" DirecTV dish.  FCC law specifically prohibits homeowner's associations from banning DSS dishes.  HOA: "FCC laws do not apply to us."  Court: "Uhm, yes they do."

Well, long story short, I've won all three times, but can't get the court to award me legal fees. So, every couple of years, I'm out $3k in legal fees to keep my DirecTV dish.

//gotta have NFL Sunday Ticket
///go Steelers
////next year


I think after the third time you can hire a lawyer and go after them for harassment or some such thing. If they keep getting the case thrown out and the facts haven't changed each time, the only thing they can reasonably expect to do is waste your time and money.

Harassment and Extortion, in other words.
2013-01-14 04:31:43 PM  
1 votes:
News flash: americans feel entitled to be freed of their contractual obligations when they decide that the person enforcing them is a jerk.
2013-01-14 04:29:48 PM  
1 votes:
I live in Evansville, the C&;P likely disabled comments because certain users where posting Mr. Hess' private information, including his address and every legal action he has been a party to. After reading it over, I can assure Mr Hess is just as reasonable as he sounds on that recording. Also, I'm willing to bet those 49 households in Stonecreek that didn't pay their HOA dues, didn't do so because they didn't want their HOA dues to be used to sue their neighbors over shiat so trivial as a non-mircochipped dog.
2013-01-14 04:27:13 PM  
1 votes:
FTA: He don't have any professional skills talking to people...

Boy do I have some bad news for you...
2013-01-14 04:27:01 PM  
1 votes:

LordJiro: Thunderpipes: Citrate1007: HoA's tend to be ran by Tea Party types that get off on their micro-fascist power trips.

Umm, no. HOAs are liberals, they want to control everything, tax everything, run everything.

Liberals LOVE HOAs. They want to turn the country into a giant HOA.

The word you both are looking for is 'Authoritarian'. Authoritarians can be on the right or left.


Every single thing doesn't have to be liberal or conservative. Although I find the idea of conservatives in the minority in HOAs laughable.

Property values!
2013-01-14 04:26:50 PM  
1 votes:

firefly212: My mom lives in an HOA controlled community, but her house was built (and she bought it) before the HOA/Covenants existed. They try all the time to push her around (they don't like her non-brick mailbox), and they were upset when she had her driveway re-done without their permission (asphalt instead of brick or concrete). They've gone as far as trying to file a lien on her house (for dues non-payment).. that was about a 5 minute hearing wherein the HOA was billed for her legal fees after the case was dismissed, as she could prove she was not part of the HOA and not subject to paying dues to them. Basically, I perceive HOAs, despite their ostensible purpose of protecting home values, as a bunch of bored old people who are depressed, so they want to make everyone else as miserable as they are.


In the extremely rare cases where that happens (towns get incorporated in places where there were no towns before, too) she almost certainly had a chance to participate in the HOA, and didn't.

There isn't some elite ninja squad that comes in and covenants up the place.
2013-01-14 04:25:49 PM  
1 votes:

cptjeff: miltoncharles: I do that, but, since it usually happens when there's a new HOA board, it's "not recognized." So, back we go.

If it's addressed to the HOA, leadership shouldn't matter. Send it registered, and when they try again, hit 'em with that harassment suit. $200k or so ought to get their attention (Actually, make it the average home price in the neighborhood for lulz). Courts don't care if the leadership of the organization has changed- it's still the same entity.

Think of it this way: would a court allow Bank of America to get out of a $2 Billion lawsuit over the financial crisis if they hired a new CEO? That would be laughable, right?

It really does sound like a nice harassment suit is in order.


They always word it differently. First time was "Take it down." Second time was "move it to the back of the house" (trees make that impossible). Third time was "architectural preservation." Which doesn't apply to cookie-cutter, 20-year-old homes.  My lawyer included a not-very-vague threat of a harassment suit to the last go 'round.  It's been 2 years, which is the average length between incidents. A new round of letters went out to all the homeowners promising "more aggressive" dish rules enforcement went out right before Christmas.
2013-01-14 04:24:18 PM  
1 votes:
My mom lives in an HOA controlled community, but her house was built (and she bought it) before the HOA/Covenants existed. They try all the time to push her around (they don't like her non-brick mailbox), and they were upset when she had her driveway re-done without their permission (asphalt instead of brick or concrete). They've gone as far as trying to file a lien on her house (for dues non-payment).. that was about a 5 minute hearing wherein the HOA was billed for her legal fees after the case was dismissed, as she could prove she was not part of the HOA and not subject to paying dues to them. Basically, I perceive HOAs, despite their ostensible purpose of protecting home values, as a bunch of bored old people who are depressed, so they want to make everyone else as miserable as they are.
2013-01-14 04:22:57 PM  
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: Citrate1007: HoA's tend to be ran by Tea Party types that get off on their micro-fascist power trips.

Umm, no. HOAs are liberals, they want to control everything, tax everything, run everything.

Liberals LOVE HOAs. They want to turn the country into a giant HOA.


Tough call. I was on an HOA board and the pres would've probably considered himself conservative. However, he did want to control every little aspect of the neighborhood, which is why I tried getting him voted out. Turns out his successor was even worse, now I'm not even sure we have a board anymore, but shiat still gets done.
2013-01-14 04:12:31 PM  
1 votes:

nickerj1: jamesmusik: They put up a phone call with the guy. It's pure genius.

http://www.courierpress.com/videos/detail/a-conversation-with-stonec re ek-hoa-president-steph/

Comedy Gold!

What's the over/under for number of times he says "sue"?

"Sir, my name isn't Sue. It's Richard. Could you please stop calling me Sue.".


Clearly King Emperor HOA is a Johnny Cash fan.
2013-01-14 04:11:02 PM  
1 votes:

ph0rk: Edymnion: ph0rk: Edymnion: Private_Citizen: I've owned houses in two areas without HOAs, and one with them. The one with an HOA (the current one) is a much nicer place to live.

Without an HOA, I've dealt with neighbors who:

- had a garage sale every Fri, Sat and Sun.
- one who built a stone monstrosity in their backyard and topped it with a full sized Teepee
-people who so badly maintained their outbuildings that the termites collapsed them
-even people who expressed their creativity by painting trippy murals on their fence
-and, of course, loud music, yelling, parties, etc at all times of day and night.

And none of that is your business except for the last one, which you deal with by calling the cops and filing a noise complaint.

If somebody wants to paint their house neon pink with mint green polkadots, its their house and thats their right.

Unless they bought a house under an HOA covenant, in which case they never had that right to begin with. Which is the entire point.

Except that, you know, the quoted bit was "Without an HOA I've had to put up with:". The entire point was that its not in a HOA, and that nothing listed there is anyone's business but the owner's, except for the noise complaints.

Fark HOAs.

I think an unmanaged termite infestation next door will very quickly be the OP's problem, HOA or no.


Really, though, HOAs exist for poor (or middle class) people to feel rich. That's their only purpose. If the houses and lots in your neighborhood were expensive enough, you'd be able to keep the riff-raff out with the sheer price of purchase, and not need an HOA. And for combined services (landscaping, pools, ball massager), these are all setup by the HOA to allow poor people to afford things they wouldn't normally need through sharing-the-wealth.
2013-01-14 04:09:33 PM  
1 votes:

ph0rk: //If you grant that anyone that buys an HOA and complains after is a tard, what's the problem?
///just makes two tards in this story, instead of one.


I simply question the motivations and frankly the attitude of a lot the HOA Nazis I'm met. And it limits the neighborhoods you can move into if you want to avoid such Nazis. And they bust my Dad's balls something terrible even though he's a meticulous neat freak. Never actually find any violations, even though they do violate his property looking for them. So based on my experience, no, I don't care for them.
2013-01-14 04:09:19 PM  
1 votes:
Where I live is part of an HOA.

My main complaint is that we pay landscapers to come in and make things worse. Hey, I have an idea, how about not weed-eating the ground a full foot away from any structure causing that part to turn into a desert, and instead, water the FARKing plants. Idiots.

The other thing is that this HOA is all old people, not hip on the whole idea of, you know, freedom of expression, and community standards dictating what is legal attire. Oh, and they aren't big on the whole guys living together thing, or the privacy thing, or the...whatever. It's funny to see that their rules have gone from 20+ to 14, and half of those are unenforceable because they are contrary to federal law. The latest thing is the animals thing related to ADA and FHA. What is also bad is that the governing language is so vague and poorly worded, it could mean anything.

But in the end, when it finally comes down to it...they don't do anything, except file a lien when you don't pay your dues...as well they should.
2013-01-14 04:03:48 PM  
1 votes:

Diogenes: My mom's HOA is pretty bad. Not the rules, but the leaders. It's been a succession of little dictators pretty much since she's been there. But, I have become tone deaf to her complaints. She won't get involved - go to meetings, attempt to vote out the Napoleons, etc. And she's pretty much fully retired now. I agree they're terrible, but if she won't even try do to anything I just can't get all exercised over it.


My house is in an HOA because the builder created one so he could sell the houses in the development, then turned the thing over to the residents after X% were sold.

The covenants were sort of dropped on us. We didn't get to vote on them because they existed as the builder's scheme from before any of us moved in. We need 30% homeowner attendance at a meeting to have quorum to amend the covenants. We can't manage to get more than 8 households out of 80 to show up at a meeting, and that includes the 4 board members.

My answer was to get on the board. If there was ever a circumstance that called for libertarians to get off their high horses and get involved, it's the boards of HOAs.

Also, we don't do liens. We chose to do small claims court for anything under the SCC limit. That means no lawyers for either side, thus reducing costs, the homeowner gets a fair showing before a neutral party, and any court judgements are attached to the person rather than the property so the house itself isn't at risk.

Myself, I'd rather dissolve the thing and turn the public ares over to the city as parks, but apparently under our state law that would take agreement from all the stakeholders to sever the association, and that includes all the lienholders that own the mortgages. Possible, but not much chance.
2013-01-14 04:03:23 PM  
1 votes:

ProfessorOhki: mjones73: ProfessorOhki: mjones73: miltoncharles: My HOA has taken me to court three times to get me to take down my "prohibited" DirecTV dish.  FCC law specifically prohibits homeowner's associations from banning DSS dishes.  HOA: "FCC laws do not apply to us."  Court: "Uhm, yes they do."

Well, long story short, I've won all three times, but can't get the court to award me legal fees. So, every couple of years, I'm out $3k in legal fees to keep my DirecTV dish.

//gotta have NFL Sunday Ticket
///go Steelers
////next year

How do they keep getting to take you back to court? I'd hand them a copy of the last three rulings along with the FCC rules and tell em to fark off..

You should be a dick and put a big old uhf/vhf antenna on your roof too, those are covered under the same FCC laws. :)

Antenna mast less than 12', doesn't even need a permit. Just sayin'

Right you are.

OTARD is a great thing.

Wow, how did I never notice that was the acronym; that's awesome.


I'm surprised I remembered the acronym off the top of my head like that.

As an ex Direct customer, I was pretty active on dbstalk.com and avsforum.com, they constantly had people complaining they were told they couldn't have a dish because of their HOA and we were more then happy to inform them of the laws protecting them.
2013-01-14 04:03:12 PM  
1 votes:
All the comments about the FCC protecting satellite dish installations reminds me of another fact. They can't regulate over the air TV antennas, either. If I lived in Stonecreek Stonecreek Stonecreek, I would install a big Rangemaster with a noisy rotor to get their pants in a wad.
2013-01-14 04:02:16 PM  
1 votes:
Thunderpipes: Citrate1007: HoA's tend to be ran by Tea Party types that get off on their micro-fascist power trips.

Umm, no. HOAs are liberals, they want to control everything, tax everything, run everything.

Liberals LOVE HOAs. They want to turn the country into a giant HOA.


i3.kym-cdn.com
2013-01-14 04:01:43 PM  
1 votes:
I'm president and queen of my HOA.

My kingdom consists of myself and the gay couple who owns the upstairs flat in our old Victorian. We don't really do much except pay the bills and make EXCELLENT Manhattans at our bi-annual HOA meetings. It's a great setup.
2013-01-14 04:01:35 PM  
1 votes:
Rob and Laura Approve...

www.geektress.com
/X-Files Arcadia
2013-01-14 03:59:00 PM  
1 votes:

ph0rk: Edymnion: Private_Citizen: I've owned houses in two areas without HOAs, and one with them. The one with an HOA (the current one) is a much nicer place to live.

Without an HOA, I've dealt with neighbors who:

- had a garage sale every Fri, Sat and Sun.
- one who built a stone monstrosity in their backyard and topped it with a full sized Teepee
-people who so badly maintained their outbuildings that the termites collapsed them
-even people who expressed their creativity by painting trippy murals on their fence
-and, of course, loud music, yelling, parties, etc at all times of day and night.

And none of that is your business except for the last one, which you deal with by calling the cops and filing a noise complaint.

If somebody wants to paint their house neon pink with mint green polkadots, its their house and thats their right.

Unless they bought a house under an HOA covenant, in which case they never had that right to begin with. Which is the entire point.


Except that, you know, the quoted bit was "Without an HOA I've had to put up with:". The entire point was that its not in a HOA, and that nothing listed there is anyone's business but the owner's, except for the noise complaints.

Fark HOAs.
2013-01-14 03:57:50 PM  
1 votes:

JackieRabbit: A homeowners association is unnecessary (for the most part). Home owners can agree to restrictive covenants that are attached to deeds and hire an attorney to enforce them.


You do know the real reason for HOA's right? The government doesn't want to pay for the common infrastructure (roads, wires etc.). The builder doesn't want it adding to the list price of the house, so it gets dumped onto the HOA.
2013-01-14 03:57:01 PM  
1 votes:

ProfessorOhki: mjones73: miltoncharles: My HOA has taken me to court three times to get me to take down my "prohibited" DirecTV dish.  FCC law specifically prohibits homeowner's associations from banning DSS dishes.  HOA: "FCC laws do not apply to us."  Court: "Uhm, yes they do."

Well, long story short, I've won all three times, but can't get the court to award me legal fees. So, every couple of years, I'm out $3k in legal fees to keep my DirecTV dish.

//gotta have NFL Sunday Ticket
///go Steelers
////next year

How do they keep getting to take you back to court? I'd hand them a copy of the last three rulings along with the FCC rules and tell em to fark off..

You should be a dick and put a big old uhf/vhf antenna on your roof too, those are covered under the same FCC laws. :)

Antenna mast less than 12', doesn't even need a permit. Just sayin'


Right you are.

OTARD is a great thing.
2013-01-14 03:56:07 PM  
1 votes:
Probably a good thing I'm too poor to even consider buying a house. It must be a sad existence, constantly obsessing over how much its worth. I always thought a home was a place to live, not an investment.

And is the color of your neighbors mailbox REALLY going to drive down the value of your place?
2013-01-14 03:55:30 PM  
1 votes:

Lethargic_Apathy: ph0rk: motorized inflated cats

Where do I sign up?


Not as cool as it sounds:

www.meijer.com
2013-01-14 03:52:17 PM  
1 votes:
If you buy a home covered by an HOA you deserve to be abused.
2013-01-14 03:50:34 PM  
1 votes:

Private_Citizen: Without an HOA, I've dealt with neighbors who:

- had a garage sale every Fri, Sat and Sun.
- one who built a stone monstrosity in their backyard and topped it with a full sized Teepee
-people who so badly maintained their outbuildings that the termites collapsed them
-even people who expressed their creativity by painting trippy murals on their fence
-and, of course, loud music, yelling, parties, etc at all times of day and night.


Well I'm glad you moved out of the ghetto but all non-HOA neighborhoods are like that.
2013-01-14 03:48:21 PM  
1 votes:

Fano: nekom: ajgeek: And people BUY INTO IT!

That's the real puzzling part.  I don't get what the upshot is.  I suppose if you REALLY loved conformity and wanted to live in a neighborhood where the houses all look the same.  Can't really see why it would appeal to anyone.  I've got a pickup truck without plates in my yard just for driving around on my property, I've got two septic tanks still in the ground, I cut my grass when the mood strikes me.  I wouldn't last a week in an HOA environment.

Farkers that defend hoas typically tell you that if you don't have an hoa, all your neighbors will let the grass get ten feet tall, leave rusting cars and dead dogs on their front lawn, and paint their house plaid with a middle finger pointed at your bedroom window.


Really? Seems kinda like the opposite to me, where you have a few people saying "You know, my HOA is actually pretty decent, but to each his own" and the rest of the people saying "fark HOAs! I've never lived in one and I never will! God damn nazis!"

If anyone seems to be exaggerating for dramatic effect, it's the anti-HOA folks.
2013-01-14 03:48:19 PM  
1 votes:
My dad lives is one and Christ the stories. "WAA! My precious properties will go down if your grass is a centimeter high! No I can't tell but let me get my ruler".
2013-01-14 03:47:44 PM  
1 votes:

Diogenes: nekom: ajgeek: And people BUY INTO IT!

That's the real puzzling part.  I don't get what the upshot is.

I don't know what it's like elsewhere, but here in Central Florida (and I believe the majority of the rest of the state) you can't avoid them.  You'd never find a house if you won't accept an HOA.

Mine is OK.  Which is surprising because we have alot of cranky old folks.


Depends on where you live. We live in unincorporated Lee County, FL and we've looked at many houses without HOAs. We've also looked in the Kissimmee/Poinciana area and it seems there that the whole county is one big HOA.

Our previous home was in an HOA and the restrictions there were typical HOAish, but our house was in the bottom of a small valley at the end of a cul-de-sac so you would have had to actually come onto the property, go through locked fences, and go around the house to see my "illegal" antennas.
2013-01-14 03:47:41 PM  
1 votes:
HOA. No. Farkin'. Way.

When I was house shopping early spring 2012, I (well, my realotor) did find a very reasonably priced, well kept, good neighborhood, etc etc home that I really, really REALLY liked. Made the appointment and went to look at it , and bless the seller, right there on the kitchen table was a copy of the HOA rules as they stood for 2012. I didn't even read them, didn't waste any more of the realtor's time, just an "I'm sorry I'm no longer interested". No HOA.


/purchased an adorable 2 bed/2 bath ranch for the cats
//I thought it was mine, but it's theirs really.
2013-01-14 03:47:32 PM  
1 votes:
Its simple folks.

If you are buying a home, always ask up front if there is a HOA. If there is, don't buy it. Period. Don't even consider it.

The only thing that gets to say what you can and cannot do on your own property is what the lot is zoned for. Beyond that, what you do on your own property is your own damned business (long as its legal).
2013-01-14 03:46:40 PM  
1 votes:

Diogenes: nekom: ajgeek: And people BUY INTO IT!

That's the real puzzling part.  I don't get what the upshot is.

I don't know what it's like elsewhere, but here in Central Florida (and I believe the majority of the rest of the state) you can't avoid them.  You'd never find a house if you won't accept an HOA.

Mine is OK.  Which is surprising because we have alot of cranky old folks.



Plenty of non-HOA land left in Central FL. We just left a HOA hellhole in Clermont and purchased five acres in Polk City. Hell, I have a free standing workshop now that I can use at 4 am, the kids can play baseball, football and soccer without the HOA complaining their in the street. I can even shoot on my property whenever the mood strikes. And guess what? There aren't trash piles and cars on blocks at the neighbors. Everyone keeps their property up. Most of us have animals such as horses and cows. Suck it HOA goons. Never again!
2013-01-14 03:41:18 PM  
1 votes:
Hey, whats going on in.....hold on a sec

*runs outside, pees off the porch*

Sorry, had to run to the bathroom

/conserving water
//country livin'
2013-01-14 03:35:22 PM  
1 votes:
"Furthermore, this notice also requires you not to at any measure mention anything regarding my name, any resident of Stonecreek, NOR will we ALLOW any of your printing in any article regarding Stonecreek at any time in any publication," the message stated. "You will be held liable for any violations of this letter and notice/request in this email. If we find/discover you have mentioned Stonecreek in any legal matter their (sic) will be action toward yourself as well as any print paper you represent in the media article.

"You may contact any HOA in the County of Vanderburgh, the State of Indiana, but Stonecreek will not PERMIT OR ALLOW YOU our legal name in any future article."


assets.flavorwire.com

Truly, you have a dizzying intellect...

"violations of this letter"?? Since when has your letter been capable of establishing law?

I'll violate your letter. I'll tear off your letter's envelope and throw it to the ground, and ravish it over and over and....
2013-01-14 03:33:34 PM  
1 votes:

machodonkeywrestler: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: These HOA horror stories are largely the exception, not the rule. Most HOAs are run by decent people, and they're set up to ensure that the common areas are maintained and that the mutually-beneficial and agreed-upon covenants are enforced.

We hear these reports and we like to think that all HOAs are run by fascist busybodies in an attempt to create a Stepford Wives neighborhood, but that's by and large just an Internet fantasy.

Having lived in both an HOA and non HOA community, I think that for suburban/town living, I'd go with the HOA 100% of the time, but for rural/country living, no way.

Your anecdotal advice is no more valid.


I wasn't really giving advice. Maybe the vast majority of HOAs are horrible, and I and everyone I've known who has ever lived in one has just lucked out? It's possible, but in my opinion it's more likely that HOAs serve the interests of their residents well, and their Internet reputation is largely a myth. I could be wrong.
2013-01-14 03:31:37 PM  
1 votes:
My HOA has taken me to court three times to get me to take down my "prohibited" DirecTV dish.  FCC law specifically prohibits homeowner's associations from banning DSS dishes.  HOA: "FCC laws do not apply to us."  Court: "Uhm, yes they do."

Well, long story short, I've won all three times, but can't get the court to award me legal fees. So, every couple of years, I'm out $3k in legal fees to keep my DirecTV dish.

//gotta have NFL Sunday Ticket
///go Steelers
////next year
2013-01-14 03:30:17 PM  
1 votes:
I don't mind our HOA.  We're a neighborhood of townhouses and the HOA takes care of mowing, watering, and aerating our front lawns (and maintain any front yard trees or bushes).  This year they repainted all the homes and check our trim and roofs every year for damage.  The HOA also maintains a few little parks for the kids and picnic shelters.

Our HOA also belongs to a larger professional group that runs dozens HOAs around the city, so maybe that protects us from them turning into mini-fiefdoms and instead they get shiat done?
2013-01-14 03:30:12 PM  
1 votes:
2013-01-14 03:29:17 PM  
1 votes:

ajgeek: I swear to god HOAs are lawyers collective attempt to become ruler of their own little country. And people BUY INTO IT!

/you could pay me to live in an HOA
//it would have to be a lot of money, but you could pay me.


So apparently like 49/300 didn't pay their dues...

Well, correct me if I'm wrong, you can simply vote to DISSOLVE the HOA, right?

LOL but you'd probably have to pay your dues to it first, to be able to vote against it...
2013-01-14 03:27:43 PM  
1 votes:
4.bp.blogspot.com
RIGHT.... who threw that?

"Well, he DID say 'Stonecreek'..."
2013-01-14 03:25:50 PM  
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: These HOA horror stories are largely the exception, not the rule. Most HOAs are run by decent people, and they're set up to ensure that the common areas are maintained and that the mutually-beneficial and agreed-upon covenants are enforced.

We hear these reports and we like to think that all HOAs are run by fascist busybodies in an attempt to create a Stepford Wives neighborhood, but that's by and large just an Internet fantasy.

Having lived in both an HOA and non HOA community, I think that for suburban/town living, I'd go with the HOA 100% of the time, but for rural/country living, no way.


Your anecdotal advice is no more valid.
2013-01-14 03:24:01 PM  
1 votes:
Heh. Poor stupid bastards who live there.

Honestly surprised we don't hear about more HOA guys like that being murdered by a lynch mob.
2013-01-14 03:23:00 PM  
1 votes:
I just got done with a fight with my HOA. I get a letter from them telling me that my back gate (which I never use) is broken and to fix it. Now week prior to that the HOA had a big siding project where all the roofs and siding were replaced. Well the crew they hired left a mess in my yard and broke the fence which caused the hinges to bend and the door to fall off. I didnt really give 2 shiats about the door since the wood is mostly rotten anyways and I just propped it up since I never use it. There were lots of phone calls and letters exchanged. I did get an apology from them about the mess left in my yard (woopty doo), but I still had to rehang the door since I had no proof the contractors did it. I filled the screw holes with an epoxy and damn if it is holding better than before. Gotta find the lil nazi that keeps crying about this shiat.
2013-01-14 03:19:34 PM  
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: Citrate1007: HoA's tend to be ran by Tea Party types that get off on their micro-fascist power trips.

Umm, no. HOAs are liberals, they want to control everything, tax everything, run everything.

Liberals LOVE HOAs. They want to turn the country into a giant HOA.


Guess it depends on what part of the country you live in. Either way they often attract farkwads to their leadership.
2013-01-14 03:13:32 PM  
1 votes:
Stonecreek, Stonecreek, Stonecreek, Stonecreek, Stonecreek, Stonecreek, Stonecreek, Stonecreek, Stonecreek, Stonecreek, Stonecreek, Stonecreek, StoneRoses, Stonecreek, Stonecreek, Stonecreek, StoneHammer beer, Stonecreek, Stonecreek, Stonecreek, Stonecreek...


This is fun.
2013-01-14 02:40:37 PM  
1 votes:

CapeFearCadaver: Is Stephen Hess short? I'll bet he's shorter than a great dane.

[napoleonireland.com image 418x550]


Napoleon was actually 5'7", quite normal for that day.
2013-01-14 02:35:53 PM  
1 votes:
Is Stephen Hess short? I'll bet he's shorter than a great dane.

napoleonireland.com
2013-01-14 02:30:21 PM  
1 votes:

nekom: You seriously can't, even in rural areas?


Consider the state.  It's possible, but "rural" means "swamp".  And it's probably a biatch to get hooked up to utilities, services, etc.

I grew up in the sticks in NJ.  That was different.
2013-01-14 01:38:00 PM  
1 votes:
It's showwwwwwwwwwwwtime!
 
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