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2013-01-14 04:19:08 PM  

miltoncharles: I do that, but, since it usually happens when there's a new HOA board, it's "not recognized." So, back we go.


If it's addressed to the HOA, leadership shouldn't matter. Send it registered, and when they try again, hit 'em with that harassment suit. $200k or so ought to get their attention (Actually, make it the average home price in the neighborhood for lulz). Courts don't care if the leadership of the organization has changed- it's still the same entity.

Think of it this way: would a court allow Bank of America to get out of a $2 Billion lawsuit over the financial crisis if they hired a new CEO? That would be laughable, right?

It really does sound like a nice harassment suit is in order.
 
2013-01-14 04:19:21 PM  
Hess? That has a certain Aryan/Nazi ring to it. Stonecreek isn't a Polish neighborhood I hope. If it is, I do not see good things happening.

/Be careful, Helen Keller
 
2013-01-14 04:19:34 PM  

Thunderpipes: Citrate1007: HoA's tend to be ran by Tea Party types that get off on their micro-fascist power trips.

Umm, no. HOAs are liberals, they want to control everything, tax everything, run everything.

Liberals LOVE HOAs. They want to turn the country into a giant HOA.


The word you both are looking for is 'Authoritarian'. Authoritarians can be on the right or left.
 
2013-01-14 04:19:44 PM  
Hey guys, HOA's can also provide security for your apartment complex or neighborhood.

2.bp.blogspot.com

By friendly residents in your community!!!!
 
2013-01-14 04:21:04 PM  

99.998er: Hess? That has a certain Aryan/Nazi ring to it. Stonecreek isn't a Polish neighborhood I hope. If it is, I do not see good things happening.

/Be careful, Helen Keller


YEW BETTER MICROCHIP YER ATTIC JEW GIRLS ER IMMA GONNA SUE YOU, EVICT YOU, THEN SUE YOU AGAIN! IT IS MY LEGAL RIGHT!
 
2013-01-14 04:22:57 PM  

Thunderpipes: Citrate1007: HoA's tend to be ran by Tea Party types that get off on their micro-fascist power trips.

Umm, no. HOAs are liberals, they want to control everything, tax everything, run everything.

Liberals LOVE HOAs. They want to turn the country into a giant HOA.


Tough call. I was on an HOA board and the pres would've probably considered himself conservative. However, he did want to control every little aspect of the neighborhood, which is why I tried getting him voted out. Turns out his successor was even worse, now I'm not even sure we have a board anymore, but shiat still gets done.
 
2013-01-14 04:23:49 PM  
Ourr subdivision has mostly 3200-3800 sq ft homes. The only time the HOA helped me was when one of my neighbors about 4 houses up was working on his car in the street, and there was, it appeared to a lot of transmission fluid on the street, they had the car jacked up witha long handled floor jack. The handle was pointing in the street, and I swerved to avoid it. On the way home, I had my Nikon w/me, so went slowly by, snapping a few pics. Next week, at the HOA meeting, I mentioned it. The neighbor was adamant they didn't spill anything. I emailed the HOA the pics, and they must have threatened him w/fines, because they hired someone to clean the mess. While I expect everyone to try to maintain the integrity of the neighborhood, sometimes you get residents whose standards are lower, and just lucky to be here (renters).
If you're going to spend almost 300k on a house, you expect a neighborhood to be better. I have a 3 car garage, and a driveway to accomodate 6 more. If your drivewa is too small for 9 cars, get rid of some.
 
2013-01-14 04:24:18 PM  
My mom lives in an HOA controlled community, but her house was built (and she bought it) before the HOA/Covenants existed. They try all the time to push her around (they don't like her non-brick mailbox), and they were upset when she had her driveway re-done without their permission (asphalt instead of brick or concrete). They've gone as far as trying to file a lien on her house (for dues non-payment).. that was about a 5 minute hearing wherein the HOA was billed for her legal fees after the case was dismissed, as she could prove she was not part of the HOA and not subject to paying dues to them. Basically, I perceive HOAs, despite their ostensible purpose of protecting home values, as a bunch of bored old people who are depressed, so they want to make everyone else as miserable as they are.
 
2013-01-14 04:24:20 PM  
What the fark does he think he's going to sue over. Slander ... good luck with that. No solicitation ... hahahaha.
 
2013-01-14 04:25:12 PM  
If the newpaper's link to the phone call 'interview' with that jackass is as farked for you as it is for me, here is a Youtube link
I found it by searching for Stonecreek HOA president Stephen Hess
 
2013-01-14 04:25:26 PM  
♫♪ Every time I HOA
Them jerks keep takin my rights away
Makes no difference that theys all a clown
They gotta quit kickin my rights around ♪♫
 
2013-01-14 04:25:49 PM  

cptjeff: miltoncharles: I do that, but, since it usually happens when there's a new HOA board, it's "not recognized." So, back we go.

If it's addressed to the HOA, leadership shouldn't matter. Send it registered, and when they try again, hit 'em with that harassment suit. $200k or so ought to get their attention (Actually, make it the average home price in the neighborhood for lulz). Courts don't care if the leadership of the organization has changed- it's still the same entity.

Think of it this way: would a court allow Bank of America to get out of a $2 Billion lawsuit over the financial crisis if they hired a new CEO? That would be laughable, right?

It really does sound like a nice harassment suit is in order.


They always word it differently. First time was "Take it down." Second time was "move it to the back of the house" (trees make that impossible). Third time was "architectural preservation." Which doesn't apply to cookie-cutter, 20-year-old homes.  My lawyer included a not-very-vague threat of a harassment suit to the last go 'round.  It's been 2 years, which is the average length between incidents. A new round of letters went out to all the homeowners promising "more aggressive" dish rules enforcement went out right before Christmas.
 
2013-01-14 04:25:51 PM  

ph0rk: lohphat: Elzar: I've lived in an HOA, it was an outrage! My property value didn't go down, my neighbors weren't allowed to park their broke down cars on the front lawn and I wasn't even able to call the cops on my neighbors for them not blasting music into the wee hours of the morning.

My home value has doubled since purchase in 1999. I don't have your problems and I don't have to ask anyone what color I can paint my house or what my front garden looks like.

Solution: don't live near hillbillies.

You have no control over how your neighborhood may chance 10, 15 years from now.

Unless you have an HOA and participate in it, of course, then you do.


Your dog whistle is blaring.

I'd rather have my freedom than worry about blah people.

In fact, my neighbors were tow elderly blah people while the value increased. They maintained the house, as do I, as do my other neighbors.

I don't need a covenant of idiotic conformity.

I choose not to live in fear of the future.
 
2013-01-14 04:26:34 PM  

Ex-Texan: Ourr ...


You rolled your R.
...sees what that did there.
 
2013-01-14 04:26:50 PM  

firefly212: My mom lives in an HOA controlled community, but her house was built (and she bought it) before the HOA/Covenants existed. They try all the time to push her around (they don't like her non-brick mailbox), and they were upset when she had her driveway re-done without their permission (asphalt instead of brick or concrete). They've gone as far as trying to file a lien on her house (for dues non-payment).. that was about a 5 minute hearing wherein the HOA was billed for her legal fees after the case was dismissed, as she could prove she was not part of the HOA and not subject to paying dues to them. Basically, I perceive HOAs, despite their ostensible purpose of protecting home values, as a bunch of bored old people who are depressed, so they want to make everyone else as miserable as they are.


In the extremely rare cases where that happens (towns get incorporated in places where there were no towns before, too) she almost certainly had a chance to participate in the HOA, and didn't.

There isn't some elite ninja squad that comes in and covenants up the place.
 
2013-01-14 04:27:01 PM  

LordJiro: Thunderpipes: Citrate1007: HoA's tend to be ran by Tea Party types that get off on their micro-fascist power trips.

Umm, no. HOAs are liberals, they want to control everything, tax everything, run everything.

Liberals LOVE HOAs. They want to turn the country into a giant HOA.

The word you both are looking for is 'Authoritarian'. Authoritarians can be on the right or left.


Every single thing doesn't have to be liberal or conservative. Although I find the idea of conservatives in the minority in HOAs laughable.

Property values!
 
2013-01-14 04:27:13 PM  
FTA: He don't have any professional skills talking to people...

Boy do I have some bad news for you...
 
2013-01-14 04:28:45 PM  

lohphat: I choose not to live in fear of the future.


Unless it is fear of draconian HOAs taking yer rights, right?

/You sound plenty fearful to me.
 
2013-01-14 04:28:55 PM  
STONECREEK! Where the demons dwell
Where the banshees live and they do live well!
STONECREEK! Where a man is a man
And the children dance to the pipes of Pan!

And you my love, won't you take my hand?
We'll go back in time to that mystic land
Where assessments are due, and they're due right now
I will sue your ass, I will show you how!

And where are they now...the l'il children of STONECREEK?
And where would we be, if we were here...tonight?
 
2013-01-14 04:29:48 PM  
I live in Evansville, the C&;P likely disabled comments because certain users where posting Mr. Hess' private information, including his address and every legal action he has been a party to. After reading it over, I can assure Mr Hess is just as reasonable as he sounds on that recording. Also, I'm willing to bet those 49 households in Stonecreek that didn't pay their HOA dues, didn't do so because they didn't want their HOA dues to be used to sue their neighbors over shiat so trivial as a non-mircochipped dog.
 
2013-01-14 04:29:51 PM  

miltoncharles:  A new round of letters went out to all the homeowners promising "more aggressive" dish rules enforcement went out right before Christmas.



I know... preview is my friend.
 
2013-01-14 04:30:20 PM  

oh_please: jamesmusik: They put up a phone call with the guy. It's pure genius.

http://www.courierpress.com/videos/detail/a-conversation-with-stonec re ek-hoa-president-steph/

Listening to this guy try to threaten the reporter with horribly mangled legalese was worth turning off adblock. How the reporter managed to not at least giggle, I'll never know. What a maroon.


I thought it sounded like some sort of Legal Mad-Libs. Hess seems to know a handful of legal terms, but not their meaning or how to use them. Without listening to the recording again, I can't recall what term he used instead of "defamation" when he's trying to talk about defamation of character. Maybe it was Norm Crosby trying to punk the reporter. One thing is for certain, this douchebag doesn't know the difference between libel and slander....
 
2013-01-14 04:31:16 PM  
I'm the current president of our building's HOA, and I've done damn near everything in my power to make sure the stupid stays out.

"Her drapes aren't the right color! The building front isn't uniform!"
"While we're on the subject ma'am, you're the only one who uses vertical blinds. If you want her to replace her drapes, I want you to replace yours."

"Her girlfriend parks out front! Overnight! It's not moral!"
"Her fiancee parks out front overnight. Just like yours did. Welcome to Iowa."

"The driveway is blocked! What are you going to do about it?"
"It's the middle of a blizzard. I think I'm doing it right now."
 
2013-01-14 04:31:43 PM  
News flash: americans feel entitled to be freed of their contractual obligations when they decide that the person enforcing them is a jerk.
 
2013-01-14 04:32:40 PM  
Absolute best way to make a newspaper run with a story they're doing on you? Tell them you'll sue and demand that they don't print it.

After we're done picking ourselves up from the newsroom floor from laughing at you, we generally rearrange the page to give it more space, because 99.9 percent of the time your legal threats prove you a) don't know your ass from a hole in the ground, and b) are trying to cover up the story so you don't look bad.
 
2013-01-14 04:32:52 PM  

miltoncharles: My HOA has taken me to court three times to get me to take down my "prohibited" DirecTV dish.  FCC law specifically prohibits homeowner's associations from banning DSS dishes.  HOA: "FCC laws do not apply to us."  Court: "Uhm, yes they do."

Well, long story short, I've won all three times, but can't get the court to award me legal fees. So, every couple of years, I'm out $3k in legal fees to keep my DirecTV dish.

//gotta have NFL Sunday Ticket
///go Steelers
////next year


I think after the third time you can hire a lawyer and go after them for harassment or some such thing. If they keep getting the case thrown out and the facts haven't changed each time, the only thing they can reasonably expect to do is waste your time and money.

Harassment and Extortion, in other words.
 
2013-01-14 04:33:05 PM  
My little CSB:

A year after I bought my first home, a new housing development went in across the road, complete with their own asinine HOA.

These people were so uptight and controlling, they kept trying to go after me and my neighbors for supposed infractions of their HOA bylaws. Never mind we were not part of the development. Never mind that our houses and properties existed 50 years before the development was ever put in. Their claim was, that since our properties were adjacent to the development, we were subject to their bylaws, because our properties were "affecting the value of the houses in the development".

We scoffed them away at first, so the HOA leaders shot back (figuratively) by making frequent and repeated complaints to the township for supposed property violations. Everything from noise complaints to complaints that my hedges were 1" too tall. YES, they called the township on me because someone from the HOA came over and measured my hedge, the day before I do my weekly yard-work, and found it was exactly 1" over township regulations.

Even though the township inspectors found no evidence of township violations, me and my neighbors were still fined for being "nuisance properties", due to the sheer volume of complaints. Not once was the HOA cited for all the false claims they made to police and the township.

Thanks to this, I now know that even if you do find a house without an HOA, if one ever moves in near your home, they WILL find a way to lord over you.
 
2013-01-14 04:33:49 PM  

sid244: Hey guys, HOA's can also provide security for your apartment complex or neighborhood.

By friendly residents in your community!!!!


The thread has officially been Zimmermanned
 
2013-01-14 04:34:43 PM  

Elzar: I've lived in an HOA, it was an outrage! My property value didn't go down, my neighbors weren't allowed to park their broke down cars on the front lawn and I wasn't even able to call the cops on my neighbors for them not blasting music into the wee hours of the morning.


Where I'm from, those things are all against city ordinances. No need for a HOA
 
2013-01-14 04:34:49 PM  

Fano: nekom: ajgeek: And people BUY INTO IT!

That's the real puzzling part.  I don't get what the upshot is.  I suppose if you REALLY loved conformity and wanted to live in a neighborhood where the houses all look the same.  Can't really see why it would appeal to anyone.  I've got a pickup truck without plates in my yard just for driving around on my property, I've got two septic tanks still in the ground, I cut my grass when the mood strikes me.  I wouldn't last a week in an HOA environment.

Farkers that defend hoas typically tell you that if you don't have an hoa, all your neighbors will let the grass get ten feet tall, leave rusting cars and dead dogs on their front lawn, and paint their house plaid with a middle finger pointed at your bedroom window.


In short, HOAs stop you from having fun neighbors.

/What happens in the ten-foot-tall grass, stays in the ten-foot-tall grass
 
2013-01-14 04:35:13 PM  
I don't care what you have to say about HOA's, you know everything you need to about THAT one from that article. The fact that the a-hole decided to try and threaten a farking newspaper in to not running a story tells you pretty much everything you need to know about Mr. "Drunk With Power" Hess. That he tried to threaten them not to even use their NAME, the name on the damn sign which is a matter of public record. Seriously, fark that guy.
 
2013-01-14 04:35:26 PM  

mainstreet62: groppet: Gotta find the lil nazi that keeps crying about this shiat.

[www.grindhouse.it image 448x299]

Come at me, biatch!

/seriously, go after him. Use of a brand is not only recommended, but encouraged.


Actually I hear a knife is pretty effective.

t2.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-14 04:35:46 PM  
I just bought a house over the summer with an HOA. In the beginning I said I would never live in a place with an HOA but I ended up softening my stance. My wife did not care about having an HOA and there seem to be two types of HOAs. One generally charges at least a few hundred a year and is run by the home owners themselves, and the other, like mine, that charge very little and are run by an "HOA" management company. We avoided looking at houses with a home owner run HOA because the realtor said that is the type that is more likely to be a-holes. Of course ours could become a nightmare if the wrong person complains but the HOA company does not have an incentive to be a-holes because the community could just find a different management company, and they have tens or hundreds of other communities to look after.

We could not put in a chain link fence which was a little annoying, but that not that big of a deal. Basically I was not going to look my wife in the eyes and say we cannot buy this house because of an HOA that was not of her concern and may not cause issues. The people that would choose death over an HOA seem like the same people that get divorced five times because they cannot compromise with their spouse. I will pick my HOA battles as I pick battles with my wife. I chose an HOA that was less likely to be crazy just as I picked a non-crazy wife.

And finally, there are enough local ordinances that if someone wants to be a dick, they can even without an HOA.
 
2013-01-14 04:37:27 PM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: News flash: americans feel entitled to be freed of their contractual obligations when they decide that the person enforcing them is a jerk.


News flash: Americans get upset when dictorial assholes with small penises start implementing stupid rules to prove their importance.
 
2013-01-14 04:38:02 PM  
This is why I never even look at a home if it's in a HOA.
 
2013-01-14 04:38:51 PM  

ph0rk: What do anti-HOA people have against local government?


Whenever "local government" starts sounding attractive and logical and commonsensical, one only has to think of an acrimonious HOA board meeting. So it's the other way around, really.

/The mayor may be an a-hole, but at least he won't issue a ticket for painting my front door the wrong shade of red.
 
2013-01-14 04:39:54 PM  
I have an HOA. I think it costs like $120 a month (but we pay quarterly). For that I get trash pickup twice a week, recycling pickup once a week, and access to a clubhouse with a swimming pool, hot tub, and tennis courts. They also cut the grass, blow the leaves, etc. The best part about an HOA however, is that it tends to keep undesirables out of the neighborhood. Absolutely 0 ghetto thugs or white trash in my entire community. And that alone is something I would gladly pay double my HOA fee for.
 
2013-01-14 04:40:09 PM  

Elzar: I've lived in an HOA, it was an outrage! My property value didn't go down, my neighbors weren't allowed to park their broke down cars on the front lawn and I wasn't even able to call the cops on my neighbors for them not blasting music into the wee hours of the morning.


I don't live in a HOA and I have none of these issues. Sorry you have to pay for the "privilege" in your neighborhood.
 
2013-01-14 04:41:07 PM  

Ed Finnerty: 99.998er: Hess? That has a certain Aryan/Nazi ring to it. Stonecreek isn't a Polish neighborhood I hope. If it is, I do not see good things happening.

/Be careful, Helen Keller

YEW BETTER MICROCHIP YER ATTIC JEW GIRLS ER IMMA GONNA SUE YOU, EVICT YOU, THEN SUE YOU AGAIN! IT IS MY LEGAL RIGHT!


It isn't like I mentioned Stonecreek or anything. Oh damn, I did mention Stonecreek. I could just kick myself for mentioning Stonecreek.
 
SH
2013-01-14 04:41:10 PM  
I was truly amazed when I ctrl+F'ed this thread and saw zero mentions of the HOA's website.

http://stonecreekhoa.org

Unfortunately you need to be logged in to "contact us".
 
2013-01-14 04:41:25 PM  
I live in a gated community and my HOA has hired police to come and harass residents if they drive 3 mph over the speed limit or they don't count to five Mississippis at stop signs. They even leave tickets on cars that are partially blocking the sidewalk at 2 a.m. on a Saturday morning. Is like a police state.
 
2013-01-14 04:41:28 PM  

OgreMagi: Bomb Head Mohammed: News flash: americans feel entitled to be freed of their contractual obligations when they decide that the person enforcing them is a jerk.

News flash: Americans get upset when dictorial assholes with small penises start implementing stupid rules to prove their importance.


Yeah we do
www.history.com
 
2013-01-14 04:42:32 PM  
HOAs and me are incompatible.

I like to weld, burn shiat and blow crap up.

If I could fire guns in my backyard I would.

I like to let my grass grow long sometimes for the hell of it.

My Christmas decorations were all UV based this year, it was creepy.

That Stonecreek dick can bite me.
 
2013-01-14 04:44:12 PM  
New title for the aritcle - When Hall Monitors Age Ungracefully
that and-
 Homes are selling in Stonecreek for generally no more than $155,000
Only when the stakes are so small is the fight so bitter . . . h.kissinger
 
2013-01-14 04:44:41 PM  

SH: I was truly amazed when I ctrl+F'ed this thread and saw zero mentions of the HOA's website.

http://stonecreekhoa.org

Unfortunately you need to be logged in to "contact us".


Wrong one
 
2013-01-14 04:44:45 PM  

SH: I was truly amazed when I ctrl+F'ed this thread and saw zero mentions of the HOA's website.

http://stonecreekhoa.org

Unfortunately you need to be logged in to "contact us".


True, but we can still crash the server.
 
2013-01-14 04:45:19 PM  
"Property values"? They mean "expected resale prices" for people who want to flip houses, not live in them. The value of a property lies in what you are able to do with it. What they want is high prices but low value.

When you give someone the power to make other people do what you want them to, you're giving that person the power to make you do what other people want you to.
 
2013-01-14 04:45:52 PM  
The HOA guy knows that he's only in charge of HOA stuff, right? He does know that he can't supersede the First Amendment?

(reads douchey email from HOA guy to newspaper)

Guess not ...
 
2013-01-14 04:46:06 PM  
I have a buddy who for about 7-8 years dealt with an HOA:

He lives next to an HOA, he is not part of an HOA.  Apparently YEARS back when the set of track homes was being built, it was built against a large piece of property owned by a single owner.  So this enterprising owner builds like 20 houses that look almost exactly the same as the adjacent track homes, but with bigger lots and not part of any HOA and sells off the homes.  So he more or less broke up his property right...

So my buddy buys one of these homes and the first year he is there, he gets a letter from the HOA saying he owes them money and that he has all kinds of violations.  So he writes them back stating that he is not part of the HOA and they can take his violation letter and shove it up their ass.

You can guess what happens next

They put a lien against his house and start to go down the path of foreclosure.  So he sues them to get it stopped and wins, plus lawyer fees.  Next year goes around, nothing happens.  Year 3, he gets a letter from the adjacent HOA and they are demanding dues for the last 3 years, threatening a lien and a laundry list of violations.  So he has his lawyer write up a nice "fark you, go away" letter.

They go back to court to get the lien removed again, rinse and repeat 2 more times over the course of 8 years.

He went back to court again this Summer and asked the Judge is there was anything that she could do to stop this HOA from continuing to do this.  I guess the Judge looked at the HOA President and his team of lawyers and chewed them out and threatened that if they tried to do this again, that someone was going to go to jail for continuing to attempt to commit fraud.

The HOA voted in another new president.  New president comes over to my buddies house with a 6 pack of nice craft beers and apologizes on how the HOA has treated him.  I guess one of his first acts was to specify in the official by-laws that this block of homes is not part of the HOA and will never be part of the HOA, so leave them alone.

As for the other 19 homes - they have dealt with similar situations.

I cannot begin to imagine just how much money the HOA has wasted on this idiocy over the years.
 
2013-01-14 04:46:49 PM  

SH: I was truly amazed when I ctrl+F'ed this thread and saw zero mentions of the HOA's website.

http://stonecreekhoa.org

Unfortunately you need to be logged in to "contact us".


Wrong one, dummy. The one being discussed is in Indiana. The one you are linking to is in Florida. In case you didn't know, those locations are far from each other.

But thanks for playing...
 
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