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2013-01-14 03:41:51 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: I've never lived in an HOA neighborhood. After hearing all these stories I don't think I want to.


It's all about the people who run the HOA. My house is in a very small HOA (
I think problems would be more likely, however, with larger HOAs, where it's more likely to run into the "dictator" types and where you lose the personalization and "everyone knows everyone" that you have with smaller neighborhoods.
 
2013-01-14 03:42:06 PM  

FormlessOne: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: These HOA horror stories are largely the exception, not the rule. Most HOAs are run by decent people, and they're set up to ensure that the common areas are maintained and that the mutually-beneficial and agreed-upon covenants are enforced.

We hear these reports and we like to think that all HOAs are run by fascist busybodies in an attempt to create a Stepford Wives neighborhood, but that's by and large just an Internet fantasy.

Having lived in both an HOA and non HOA community, I think that for suburban/town living, I'd go with the HOA 100% of the time, but for rural/country living, no way.

Me? Not a friggin' chance. An HOA is a deal-killer for me. The problem is that the HOA may be all decent and useful now, but later, when houses change hands and suddenly the nastiest folks in the neighborhood have staged a 'coup', for lack of a better term, and are now running the show, the HOA can become a problem later.

Much easier to buy into a non-HOA community and not worry about it, than buy into an HOA community knowing that you'll have to participate in an ersatz local government just to ensure it doesn't get taken over by the neighborhood Nazi.


Pretty much this.

While I do realize that HOA's do serve a purpose for people who want to live in a controlled environment, they are pretty much a crap shoot that can ruin the enjoyment of your home. First of all you really can't be sure what you are getting into with one until you after you have purchased your home and have had official contact with them. Also just like FormlessOne said your HOA can go from being a nice non intrusive entity into being a bunch of Nazi in the blink of an eye.

So for me, I'd rather just live in a non HOA area and just cut the potential for any of that type of drama completely out. There are plenty other things to have to deal with and worry about regarding home ownership, rather or not your HOA is making or will make your life hell in the future shouldn't be one of them.
 
2013-01-14 03:42:25 PM  
Saw this article earlier today and wondered how long it would take to show up on fark...

Our house has deed restrictions because we're not in a city or town. The reason deed restrictions are superior to an HOA is because they can never be changed. Ours has set restrictions such as no livestock, no turning your single family home into a duplex, no hoarding pets, ask the review board before you add on or do something crazy to the exterior of your house (paint colors excluded, as some of our neighbors' houses attest to). That's basically it, IIRC. No petty dictator can take over and make everybody's landscaping have purple flowers or something, and they don't have the power to foreclose or charge fees. It's more about making sure that the property use stays the same rather than worrying about how high the grass is or if your garage doors are an approved color, much as a city or town has zoning laws.

I have a friend who has monthly battles with his HOA, but he seems get a perverse level of enjoyment out of it. I have no interest in ever dealing with that.
 
2013-01-14 03:42:42 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: LaraAmber: I don't mind our HOA.  We're a neighborhood of townhouses and the HOA takes care of mowing, watering, and aerating our front lawns (and maintain any front yard trees or bushes).  This year they repainted all the homes and check our trim and roofs every year for damage.  The HOA also maintains a few little parks for the kids and picnic shelters.

Our HOA also belongs to a larger professional group that runs dozens HOAs around the city, so maybe that protects us from them turning into mini-fiefdoms and instead they get shiat done?

Your experience falls in line with mine, and everyone I've ever known who has lived in an HOA. I think most people who malign HOAs have little first hand knowledge of them outside of Internet threads. That or they had one bad experience and decided that all HOAs were mini dictatorships.


the HOA of my condo complex is pretty good, including doing things like negotiating for a second recycling station (still working on that), amortizing roof repairs and building repainting over several years, and getting rid of farking ugly 16' high banana plants and motorized inflated cats in common spaces.

/Your ugly plants and yard art, take them inside.
 
2013-01-14 03:42:47 PM  
Someone named Hess with delusions of grandeur and a penchant for the tyrannical? Colour me shocked.
 
2013-01-14 03:43:13 PM  
I'm glad our HOA is inactive. Neighbors take care of their stuff and I take care of mine. Nice and friendly.
 
2013-01-14 03:44:41 PM  

jamesmusik: They put up a phone call with the guy. It's pure genius.

http://www.courierpress.com/videos/detail/a-conversation-with-stonec re ek-hoa-president-steph/


Holy crap, I would have ripped into that idiot HOA guy after about 60 seconds of that crap. Or at least laughed at the idiot.
 
2013-01-14 03:45:23 PM  

Koalaesq: Diogenes: nekom: You seriously can't, even in rural areas?

Consider the state.  It's possible, but "rural" means "swamp".  And it's probably a biatch to get hooked up to utilities, services, etc.

I grew up in the sticks in NJ.  That was different.

Sticks as in "everything below New Brunswick" or sticks as in "Sussex/Warren county"? Very different type of sticks.


Hey, c'mon. There's plenty of sticks in Hunterdon County as well. The road I grew up on didn't get paved until I was in high school.
 
2013-01-14 03:45:37 PM  
I've owned houses in two areas without HOAs, and one with them. The one with an HOA (the current one) is a much nicer place to live.

Without an HOA, I've dealt with neighbors who:

- had a garage sale every Fri, Sat and Sun.
- one who built a stone monstrosity in their backyard and topped it with a full sized Teepee
-people who so badly maintained their outbuildings that the termites collapsed them
-even people who expressed their creativity by painting trippy murals on their fence
-and, of course, loud music, yelling, parties, etc at all times of day and night.

I'm sure every homeowner has their own nightmare neighbor stories. Yes, an HOA can be missued by petty tyrants (Stonecreek) but with decent people, they protect the interests of the decent people.
 
2013-01-14 03:46:37 PM  

jamesmusik: They put up a phone call with the guy. It's pure genius.

http://www.courierpress.com/videos/detail/a-conversation-with-stonec re ek-hoa-president-steph/


Wow.

Stonecreek HOA president Stephen Hess is lividly pissed that they have betrayed his request.

Stonecreek HOA president Stephen Hess is an ignorant jackass.
 
2013-01-14 03:46:40 PM  

Diogenes: nekom: ajgeek: And people BUY INTO IT!

That's the real puzzling part.  I don't get what the upshot is.

I don't know what it's like elsewhere, but here in Central Florida (and I believe the majority of the rest of the state) you can't avoid them.  You'd never find a house if you won't accept an HOA.

Mine is OK.  Which is surprising because we have alot of cranky old folks.



Plenty of non-HOA land left in Central FL. We just left a HOA hellhole in Clermont and purchased five acres in Polk City. Hell, I have a free standing workshop now that I can use at 4 am, the kids can play baseball, football and soccer without the HOA complaining their in the street. I can even shoot on my property whenever the mood strikes. And guess what? There aren't trash piles and cars on blocks at the neighbors. Everyone keeps their property up. Most of us have animals such as horses and cows. Suck it HOA goons. Never again!
 
2013-01-14 03:47:02 PM  

Private_Citizen: I'm sure every homeowner has their own nightmare neighbor stories. Yes, an HOA can be missued by petty tyrants (Stonecreek) but with decent people, they protect the interests of the decent people.


In most cases, the tyrants are easy to depose - it isn't as if any of the other homeowners like them. Just go to meetings and usurp them.
 
2013-01-14 03:47:04 PM  

MmmmBacon: Thunderpipes: Citrate1007: HoA's tend to be ran by Tea Party types that get off on their micro-fascist power trips.

Umm, no. HOAs are liberals, they want to control everything, tax everything, run everything.

Liberals LOVE HOAs. They want to turn the country into a giant HOA.

I'm a Liberal, and I wouldn't join an HOA to save my life.


Likewise. Liberals tend to dislike petty authoritarian dickheads.
 
2013-01-14 03:47:16 PM  
I have a dream that one day I will buy the lot next to a planned community with a HOA. They will have white houses with black doors and mailboxes in the same shade of brown all 34.25 inches from the ground. My house will be painted two colors and the door will have large polka dots and the mailbox will be something I made while learning to weld. When they look at me the will see the freedom they can never taste
 
2013-01-14 03:47:23 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: These HOA horror stories are largely the exception, not the rule. Most HOAs are run by decent people, and they're set up to ensure that the common areas are maintained and that the mutually-beneficial and agreed-upon covenants are enforced.

We hear these reports and we like to think that all HOAs are run by fascist busybodies in an attempt to create a Stepford Wives neighborhood, but that's by and large just an Internet fantasy.

Having lived in both an HOA and non HOA community, I think that for suburban/town living, I'd go with the HOA 100% of the time, but for rural/country living, no way.


I agree. Especially for single-building places like downtown condos, someone has to take care of the common area maintenance, the bookkeeping, the improvements, and all that. It's 98%* tedium for the people who do it, but it keeps the place from devolving into a shiathole.

* 2% excitement, like finding ankle-deep sewage in the boiler room due to a clogged pipe (don't flush tampons pls), or having to call the fire dept and cops due to a dead and decomposing body of one of the residents that no one's seen in a while.
 
2013-01-14 03:47:32 PM  
Its simple folks.

If you are buying a home, always ask up front if there is a HOA. If there is, don't buy it. Period. Don't even consider it.

The only thing that gets to say what you can and cannot do on your own property is what the lot is zoned for. Beyond that, what you do on your own property is your own damned business (long as its legal).
 
2013-01-14 03:47:41 PM  
HOA. No. Farkin'. Way.

When I was house shopping early spring 2012, I (well, my realotor) did find a very reasonably priced, well kept, good neighborhood, etc etc home that I really, really REALLY liked. Made the appointment and went to look at it , and bless the seller, right there on the kitchen table was a copy of the HOA rules as they stood for 2012. I didn't even read them, didn't waste any more of the realtor's time, just an "I'm sorry I'm no longer interested". No HOA.


/purchased an adorable 2 bed/2 bath ranch for the cats
//I thought it was mine, but it's theirs really.
 
2013-01-14 03:47:44 PM  

Diogenes: nekom: ajgeek: And people BUY INTO IT!

That's the real puzzling part.  I don't get what the upshot is.

I don't know what it's like elsewhere, but here in Central Florida (and I believe the majority of the rest of the state) you can't avoid them.  You'd never find a house if you won't accept an HOA.

Mine is OK.  Which is surprising because we have alot of cranky old folks.


Depends on where you live. We live in unincorporated Lee County, FL and we've looked at many houses without HOAs. We've also looked in the Kissimmee/Poinciana area and it seems there that the whole county is one big HOA.

Our previous home was in an HOA and the restrictions there were typical HOAish, but our house was in the bottom of a small valley at the end of a cul-de-sac so you would have had to actually come onto the property, go through locked fences, and go around the house to see my "illegal" antennas.
 
2013-01-14 03:48:15 PM  
Time to look into the next election of Home Owner Association officers.
 
2013-01-14 03:48:16 PM  

OBBN: Plenty of non-HOA land left in Central FL. We just left a HOA hellhole in Clermont and purchased five acres in Polk City. Hell, I have a free standing workshop now that I can use at 4 am, the kids can play baseball, football and soccer without the HOA complaining their in the street. I can even shoot on my property whenever the mood strikes. And guess what? There aren't trash piles and cars on blocks at the neighbors. Everyone keeps their property up. Most of us have animals such as horses and cows. Suck it HOA goons. Never again!


HOAs aren't because neighborhoods suck right now (why buy there if it does?)
HOAs are because no neighborhood remains the same.
 
2013-01-14 03:48:19 PM  
My dad lives is one and Christ the stories. "WAA! My precious properties will go down if your grass is a centimeter high! No I can't tell but let me get my ruler".
 
2013-01-14 03:48:21 PM  

Fano: nekom: ajgeek: And people BUY INTO IT!

That's the real puzzling part.  I don't get what the upshot is.  I suppose if you REALLY loved conformity and wanted to live in a neighborhood where the houses all look the same.  Can't really see why it would appeal to anyone.  I've got a pickup truck without plates in my yard just for driving around on my property, I've got two septic tanks still in the ground, I cut my grass when the mood strikes me.  I wouldn't last a week in an HOA environment.

Farkers that defend hoas typically tell you that if you don't have an hoa, all your neighbors will let the grass get ten feet tall, leave rusting cars and dead dogs on their front lawn, and paint their house plaid with a middle finger pointed at your bedroom window.


Really? Seems kinda like the opposite to me, where you have a few people saying "You know, my HOA is actually pretty decent, but to each his own" and the rest of the people saying "fark HOAs! I've never lived in one and I never will! God damn nazis!"

If anyone seems to be exaggerating for dramatic effect, it's the anti-HOA folks.
 
2013-01-14 03:49:26 PM  

Fano: Farkers that defend hoas typically tell you that if you don't have an hoa, all your neighbors will let the grass get ten feet tall, leave rusting cars and dead dogs on their front lawn, and paint their house plaid with a middle finger pointed at your bedroom window.


Hey, my grass only gets to about 1.5 feet tall at the most!

And that car isn't rusted, and it still runs, it just needs some work (actually trying to sell it).

Plus, it's not my fault the dogs want to drag deer carcasses into the front yard and chew on them. I use the bones to make totems to ward of evil spirits.

And I will fix my mailbox eventually, after I get my neighbor to admit that he hit it with his combine and pay for it!

/this is all true, except for the totems part, but I am thinking about using them in a Halloween costume next year. Other then that, I keep the place pretty tidy.
//has no visible neighbors
 
2013-01-14 03:49:30 PM  

Elzar: I've lived in an HOA, it was an outrage! My property value didn't go down, my neighbors weren't allowed to park their broke down cars on the front lawn and I wasn't even able to call the cops on my neighbors for them not blasting music into the wee hours of the morning.


I don't pay an HOA, and that happens to me all the time. My property has appreciated, my neighbors are so quiet it's almost spooky, and if anyone can hear music, it's me.
 
2013-01-14 03:50:25 PM  
What do anti-HOA people have against local government?
 
2013-01-14 03:50:31 PM  
When you take title to the property, you take title subject to everything of record regarding that property, and those covenants and restrictions would be an item of record," Frank said. "Bylaws are voted on by lot owners, so if they already are implemented at the time you buy your lot, then you know there's an association and you can get a copy of those before you purchase it. It's just due diligence."

The information is available in the Recorder's Office in Room 231 of the Civic Center in Downtown Evansville.


You can't miss the room, it's a disused lavatory with a sign on the door reading "Beware of the leopard."
 
2013-01-14 03:50:34 PM  

Private_Citizen: Without an HOA, I've dealt with neighbors who:

- had a garage sale every Fri, Sat and Sun.
- one who built a stone monstrosity in their backyard and topped it with a full sized Teepee
-people who so badly maintained their outbuildings that the termites collapsed them
-even people who expressed their creativity by painting trippy murals on their fence
-and, of course, loud music, yelling, parties, etc at all times of day and night.


Well I'm glad you moved out of the ghetto but all non-HOA neighborhoods are like that.
 
2013-01-14 03:50:41 PM  
Wow, the Stonecreek HOA president is a colossal douchebag.
 
2013-01-14 03:51:09 PM  

Private_Citizen: I've owned houses in two areas without HOAs, and one with them. The one with an HOA (the current one) is a much nicer place to live.

Without an HOA, I've dealt with neighbors who:

- had a garage sale every Fri, Sat and Sun.
- one who built a stone monstrosity in their backyard and topped it with a full sized Teepee
-people who so badly maintained their outbuildings that the termites collapsed them
-even people who expressed their creativity by painting trippy murals on their fence
-and, of course, loud music, yelling, parties, etc at all times of day and night.


And none of that is your business except for the last one, which you deal with by calling the cops and filing a noise complaint.

If somebody wants to paint their house neon pink with mint green polkadots, its their house and thats their right.
 
2013-01-14 03:51:10 PM  

miltoncharles: My HOA has taken me to court three times to get me to take down my "prohibited" DirecTV dish.  FCC law specifically prohibits homeowner's associations from banning DSS dishes.  HOA: "FCC laws do not apply to us."  Court: "Uhm, yes they do."

Well, long story short, I've won all three times, but can't get the court to award me legal fees. So, every couple of years, I'm out $3k in legal fees to keep my DirecTV dish.

//gotta have NFL Sunday Ticket
///go Steelers
////next year


How do they keep getting to take you back to court? I'd hand them a copy of the last three rulings along with the FCC rules and tell em to fark off..

You should be a dick and put a big old uhf/vhf antenna on your roof too, those are covered under the same FCC laws. :)
 
2013-01-14 03:51:50 PM  
A homeowners association is unnecessary (for the most part). Home owners can agree to restrictive covenants that are attached to deeds and hire an attorney to enforce them. Each homeowner pays a small fee into a fund to retain the attorney. A homeowner in violation of the covenants must pay the attorney's fees for any action he/she must take. Homeowners can get together and vote on variance requests and changes to the covenants. They don't need elected leaders. HOAs are not even needed in municipalities with good zoning and land use regulations, but they can be a blessing in places where such regulations are weak or non-existent. All it takes to understand this is to live next to some fool who refuses to take care of his house and fills his yard with garbage and there's nothing you can do about it.
 
2013-01-14 03:52:17 PM  
If you buy a home covered by an HOA you deserve to be abused.
 
2013-01-14 03:52:30 PM  

Edymnion: Private_Citizen: I've owned houses in two areas without HOAs, and one with them. The one with an HOA (the current one) is a much nicer place to live.

Without an HOA, I've dealt with neighbors who:

- had a garage sale every Fri, Sat and Sun.
- one who built a stone monstrosity in their backyard and topped it with a full sized Teepee
-people who so badly maintained their outbuildings that the termites collapsed them
-even people who expressed their creativity by painting trippy murals on their fence
-and, of course, loud music, yelling, parties, etc at all times of day and night.

And none of that is your business except for the last one, which you deal with by calling the cops and filing a noise complaint.

If somebody wants to paint their house neon pink with mint green polkadots, its their house and thats their right.


Unless they bought a house under an HOA covenant, in which case they never had that right to begin with. Which is the entire point.
 
2013-01-14 03:52:49 PM  

mjones73: miltoncharles: My HOA has taken me to court three times to get me to take down my "prohibited" DirecTV dish.  FCC law specifically prohibits homeowner's associations from banning DSS dishes.  HOA: "FCC laws do not apply to us."  Court: "Uhm, yes they do."

Well, long story short, I've won all three times, but can't get the court to award me legal fees. So, every couple of years, I'm out $3k in legal fees to keep my DirecTV dish.

//gotta have NFL Sunday Ticket
///go Steelers
////next year

How do they keep getting to take you back to court? I'd hand them a copy of the last three rulings along with the FCC rules and tell em to fark off..

You should be a dick and put a big old uhf/vhf antenna on your roof too, those are covered under the same FCC laws. :)


Antenna mast less than 12', doesn't even need a permit. Just sayin'
 
2013-01-14 03:53:19 PM  

Elzar: I've lived in an HOA, it was an outrage! My property value didn't go down, my neighbors weren't allowed to park their broke down cars on the front lawn and I wasn't even able to call the cops on my neighbors for them not blasting music into the wee hours of the morning.


My home value has doubled since purchase in 1999. I don't have your problems and I don't have to ask anyone what color I can paint my house or what my front garden looks like.

Solution: don't live near hillbillies.
 
2013-01-14 03:53:29 PM  

mainstreet62: groppet: Gotta find the lil nazi that keeps crying about this shiat.

[www.grindhouse.it image 448x299]

Come at me, biatch!

/seriously, go after him. Use of a brand is not only recommended, but encouraged.


guides.gamepressure.com
/It works for Overseers.
// It is a criminal offense to offer aid, shelter, or solace to anyone who bears the Brand.
 
2013-01-14 03:53:38 PM  

ph0rk: motorized inflated cats


Where do I sign up?
 
2013-01-14 03:54:11 PM  

lohphat: Elzar: I've lived in an HOA, it was an outrage! My property value didn't go down, my neighbors weren't allowed to park their broke down cars on the front lawn and I wasn't even able to call the cops on my neighbors for them not blasting music into the wee hours of the morning.

My home value has doubled since purchase in 1999. I don't have your problems and I don't have to ask anyone what color I can paint my house or what my front garden looks like.

Solution: don't live near hillbillies.


You have no control over how your neighborhood may chance 10, 15 years from now.

Unless you have an HOA and participate in it, of course, then you do.
 
2013-01-14 03:54:21 PM  

miltoncharles: My HOA has taken me to court three times to get me to take down my "prohibited" DirecTV dish.  FCC law specifically prohibits homeowner's associations from banning DSS dishes.  HOA: "FCC laws do not apply to us."  Court: "Uhm, yes they do."

Well, long story short, I've won all three times, but can't get the court to award me legal fees. So, every couple of years, I'm out $3k in legal fees to keep my DirecTV dish.

//gotta have NFL Sunday Ticket
///go Steelers
////next year


Simple, fight fire with fire. Deliver a registered letter to your HOA that includes the FCC law and the outcomes of the last three cases. Clearly inform them that if they come to you with it again you will file a harassment suit against them.

And when they do it again, pull out the fact that you sent them the registered letter and file the damned suit.
 
2013-01-14 03:54:32 PM  

Ed Finnerty: jamesmusik: They put up a phone call with the guy. It's pure genius.

http://www.courierpress.com/videos/detail/a-conversation-with-stonec re ek-hoa-president-steph/

Wow.

Stonecreek HOA president Stephen Hess is lividly pissed that they have betrayed his request.

Stonecreek HOA president Stephen Hess is an ignorant jackass.


THERE WILL BE A LEGAL LAWSUIT.  AND SLANDER!  NO SOLICITATION!

EVERYONE KNOWS WHO I AM
 
2013-01-14 03:54:48 PM  

NutWrench: "Furthermore, this notice also requires you not to at any measure mention anything regarding my name, any resident of Stonecreek, NOR will we ALLOW any of your printing in any article regarding Stonecreek at any time in any publication," the message stated. "You will be held liable for any violations of this letter and notice/request in this email. If we find/discover you have mentioned Stonecreek in any legal matter their (sic) will be action toward yourself as well as any print paper you represent in the media article.

Bite my ass and choke on it, you deranged control freak.

"You stop this article immediately, because I will sue you just like I sue the people who don't pay their dues," he said.
- HOA President and professional douchbag Stephen Hess, Stonecreek Arbors Homeowners Association.


Oops! I accidentally copypasta'd that all over the place. Darn.
 
2013-01-14 03:55:07 PM  

lohphat: My home value has doubled since purchase in 1999. I don't have your problems and I don't have to ask anyone what color I can paint my house or what my front garden looks like.


The property value thing is a bullshiat excuse to control people.
 
2013-01-14 03:55:30 PM  

Lethargic_Apathy: ph0rk: motorized inflated cats

Where do I sign up?


Not as cool as it sounds:

www.meijer.com
 
2013-01-14 03:56:07 PM  
Probably a good thing I'm too poor to even consider buying a house. It must be a sad existence, constantly obsessing over how much its worth. I always thought a home was a place to live, not an investment.

And is the color of your neighbors mailbox REALLY going to drive down the value of your place?
 
2013-01-14 03:56:17 PM  

Private_Citizen: - had a garage sale every Fri, Sat and Sun.
- one who built a stone monstrosity in their backyard and topped it with a full sized Teepee
-people who so badly maintained their outbuildings that the termites collapsed them
-even people who expressed their creativity by painting trippy murals on their fence
-and, of course, loud music, yelling, parties, etc at all times of day and night.


- Lots of local regs for these ala, "No more than 4 a year"
- Probably against permits/zoning already
- Obviously against safety code
- It's their fence, fark off
- Already against city regs, no doubt

So, in summary, you like your HOA because you don't like the one guy's taste in fence painting. Everything else is redundant.
 
2013-01-14 03:56:58 PM  

Mugato: lohphat: My home value has doubled since purchase in 1999. I don't have your problems and I don't have to ask anyone what color I can paint my house or what my front garden looks like.

The property value thing is a bullshiat excuse to control people.


Buying a home in a place with restrictive covenants, then ignoring said covenants while also failing to participate in the local government body (HOA) is a bullshiat excuse to complain.
 
2013-01-14 03:57:01 PM  

ProfessorOhki: mjones73: miltoncharles: My HOA has taken me to court three times to get me to take down my "prohibited" DirecTV dish.  FCC law specifically prohibits homeowner's associations from banning DSS dishes.  HOA: "FCC laws do not apply to us."  Court: "Uhm, yes they do."

Well, long story short, I've won all three times, but can't get the court to award me legal fees. So, every couple of years, I'm out $3k in legal fees to keep my DirecTV dish.

//gotta have NFL Sunday Ticket
///go Steelers
////next year

How do they keep getting to take you back to court? I'd hand them a copy of the last three rulings along with the FCC rules and tell em to fark off..

You should be a dick and put a big old uhf/vhf antenna on your roof too, those are covered under the same FCC laws. :)

Antenna mast less than 12', doesn't even need a permit. Just sayin'


Right you are.

OTARD is a great thing.
 
2013-01-14 03:57:26 PM  
Tom_Slick:
A few years ago when people were making the switch to HD with Directv the installer came through and add the new dish to the homes that had it, they did not take down the old round dishes, we all got letters stating, "All Satellite Dishes not in use must be removed by X date the HOA will have a contractor in the area to remove the dish if the homeowner would like assistance on X date." I thought wow seems reasonable, but someone took them to court and apparently you can't force people to remove dishes not in use even when paying for the labor. They never tried again.

They should have tried the "honey" approach. I'm sure if they'd called the old dish removal a "free service courtesy your HOA" everyone would have taken them up on it. But that doesn't scream "Respect mah authoriteeeee."

Footnote to my story. When the HOA had the streets resurfaced they skipped over the segment in front of my house. I tell the pizza guy, "When the street suddenly goes to shiat, then you're here."
 
2013-01-14 03:57:26 PM  

Klom Dark: jamesmusik: They put up a phone call with the guy. It's pure genius.

http://www.courierpress.com/videos/detail/a-conversation-with-stonec re ek-hoa-president-steph/

Holy crap, I would have ripped into that idiot HOA guy after about 60 seconds of that crap. Or at least laughed at the idiot.


I'll sue you for slander! Slander! I am in legal rights there within! Slander!

Hess needs to watch Spiderman. (And stop sounding like a rabid Hank Hill)

www.soundonsight.org

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XscaGDxuQqE
 
2013-01-14 03:57:42 PM  
"He don't have any professional skills talking to people, and if he had been in my yard talking to me the way he wrote me an email, the law would have been out there because I would have knocked him out," Dupre said.
 
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