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2013-01-14 03:57:42 PM
"He don't have any professional skills talking to people, and if he had been in my yard talking to me the way he wrote me an email, the law would have been out there because I would have knocked him out," Dupre said.
 
2013-01-14 03:57:50 PM

JackieRabbit: A homeowners association is unnecessary (for the most part). Home owners can agree to restrictive covenants that are attached to deeds and hire an attorney to enforce them.


You do know the real reason for HOA's right? The government doesn't want to pay for the common infrastructure (roads, wires etc.). The builder doesn't want it adding to the list price of the house, so it gets dumped onto the HOA.
 
2013-01-14 03:58:06 PM

Fano: nekom: ajgeek: And people BUY INTO IT!

That's the real puzzling part.  I don't get what the upshot is.  I suppose if you REALLY loved conformity and wanted to live in a neighborhood where the houses all look the same.  Can't really see why it would appeal to anyone.  I've got a pickup truck without plates in my yard just for driving around on my property, I've got two septic tanks still in the ground, I cut my grass when the mood strikes me.  I wouldn't last a week in an HOA environment.

Farkers that defend hoas typically tell you that if you don't have an hoa, all your neighbors will let the grass get ten feet tall, leave rusting cars and dead dogs on their front lawn, and paint their house plaid with a middle finger pointed at your bedroom window.


Interestingly enough, the city that I live in has a number of ordinances that mirror typical HOA rules: no cars on the street from 2am to 6am, trash cans out of sight except for trash day, lawn mowing regulations, etc. Some of them are a little silly but I'm sure it's all to maintain property values.

I've never been cited for a violation, but then there aren't any of the ridiculous rules like mailbox type and color, etc.
 
2013-01-14 03:58:18 PM

mjones73: ProfessorOhki: mjones73: miltoncharles: My HOA has taken me to court three times to get me to take down my "prohibited" DirecTV dish.  FCC law specifically prohibits homeowner's associations from banning DSS dishes.  HOA: "FCC laws do not apply to us."  Court: "Uhm, yes they do."

Well, long story short, I've won all three times, but can't get the court to award me legal fees. So, every couple of years, I'm out $3k in legal fees to keep my DirecTV dish.

//gotta have NFL Sunday Ticket
///go Steelers
////next year

How do they keep getting to take you back to court? I'd hand them a copy of the last three rulings along with the FCC rules and tell em to fark off..

You should be a dick and put a big old uhf/vhf antenna on your roof too, those are covered under the same FCC laws. :)

Antenna mast less than 12', doesn't even need a permit. Just sayin'

Right you are.

OTARD is a great thing.


Wow, how did I never notice that was the acronym; that's awesome.
 
2013-01-14 03:58:28 PM
Homeowners' Associations aren't secret, are they? I mean, as soon as you start drawing up a list of houses you'd like to buy, whether any given house is in an HA should be quickly knowable, right?

I wouldn't live in one, but I can see how certain people who have had a bad experience with trashy neighbors would be attracted.


Stonecreek Stonecreek Stonecreek. (Oblig.)
 
2013-01-14 03:59:00 PM

ph0rk: Edymnion: Private_Citizen: I've owned houses in two areas without HOAs, and one with them. The one with an HOA (the current one) is a much nicer place to live.

Without an HOA, I've dealt with neighbors who:

- had a garage sale every Fri, Sat and Sun.
- one who built a stone monstrosity in their backyard and topped it with a full sized Teepee
-people who so badly maintained their outbuildings that the termites collapsed them
-even people who expressed their creativity by painting trippy murals on their fence
-and, of course, loud music, yelling, parties, etc at all times of day and night.

And none of that is your business except for the last one, which you deal with by calling the cops and filing a noise complaint.

If somebody wants to paint their house neon pink with mint green polkadots, its their house and thats their right.

Unless they bought a house under an HOA covenant, in which case they never had that right to begin with. Which is the entire point.


Except that, you know, the quoted bit was "Without an HOA I've had to put up with:". The entire point was that its not in a HOA, and that nothing listed there is anyone's business but the owner's, except for the noise complaints.

Fark HOAs.
 
2013-01-14 03:59:23 PM

jamesmusik: They put up a phone call with the guy. It's pure genius.

http://www.courierpress.com/videos/detail/a-conversation-with-stonec re ek-hoa-president-steph/


Listening to this guy try to threaten the reporter with horribly mangled legalese was worth turning off adblock. How the reporter managed to not at least giggle, I'll never know. What a maroon.
 
2013-01-14 03:59:46 PM
Jehovah! Jehovah! Jehovah!
 
2013-01-14 04:00:16 PM

Edymnion: ph0rk: Edymnion: Private_Citizen: I've owned houses in two areas without HOAs, and one with them. The one with an HOA (the current one) is a much nicer place to live.

Without an HOA, I've dealt with neighbors who:

- had a garage sale every Fri, Sat and Sun.
- one who built a stone monstrosity in their backyard and topped it with a full sized Teepee
-people who so badly maintained their outbuildings that the termites collapsed them
-even people who expressed their creativity by painting trippy murals on their fence
-and, of course, loud music, yelling, parties, etc at all times of day and night.

And none of that is your business except for the last one, which you deal with by calling the cops and filing a noise complaint.

If somebody wants to paint their house neon pink with mint green polkadots, its their house and thats their right.

Unless they bought a house under an HOA covenant, in which case they never had that right to begin with. Which is the entire point.

Except that, you know, the quoted bit was "Without an HOA I've had to put up with:". The entire point was that its not in a HOA, and that nothing listed there is anyone's business but the owner's, except for the noise complaints.

Fark HOAs.


I think an unmanaged termite infestation next door will very quickly be the OP's problem, HOA or no.
 
2013-01-14 04:00:28 PM

jamesmusik: They put up a phone call with the guy. It's pure genius.

http://www.courierpress.com/videos/detail/a-conversation-with-stonec re ek-hoa-president-steph/


wow ... what a ty-rant
props to the reporter for not laughing at him
 
2013-01-14 04:00:30 PM

ph0rk: What do anti-HOA people have against local government?


We don't need to be micro-managed.
 
2013-01-14 04:00:54 PM

ph0rk: Mugato: lohphat: My home value has doubled since purchase in 1999. I don't have your problems and I don't have to ask anyone what color I can paint my house or what my front garden looks like.

The property value thing is a bullshiat excuse to control people.

Buying a home in a place with restrictive covenants, then ignoring said covenants while also failing to participate in the local government body (HOA) is a bullshiat excuse to complain.


I'm not arguing that. If you buy a place with a HOA and as long as they don't change it up on you, it's you're fault. I'm just saying for a last majority of the rules, the property value thing is bullshiat.

/and what's with calling them a "covenant"? Do you carry them around in an Ark?
 
2013-01-14 04:01:32 PM

CheekyMonkey: ph0rk: What do anti-HOA people have against local government?

We don't need to be micro-managed.


If people didn't need to be micromanaged, there wouldn't be so many HOAs.


/People need to be micromanaged.
 
2013-01-14 04:01:35 PM
Rob and Laura Approve...

www.geektress.com
/X-Files Arcadia
 
2013-01-14 04:01:40 PM

Edymnion:

If somebody wants to paint their house neon pink with mint green polkadots, its their house and thats their right.


You sound like someone who still lives at home.
 
2013-01-14 04:01:43 PM
I'm president and queen of my HOA.

My kingdom consists of myself and the gay couple who owns the upstairs flat in our old Victorian. We don't really do much except pay the bills and make EXCELLENT Manhattans at our bi-annual HOA meetings. It's a great setup.
 
2013-01-14 04:02:16 PM
Thunderpipes: Citrate1007: HoA's tend to be ran by Tea Party types that get off on their micro-fascist power trips.

Umm, no. HOAs are liberals, they want to control everything, tax everything, run everything.

Liberals LOVE HOAs. They want to turn the country into a giant HOA.


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2013-01-14 04:02:27 PM

jamesmusik: They put up a phone call with the guy. It's pure genius.

http://www.courierpress.com/videos/detail/a-conversation-with-stonec re ek-hoa-president-steph/


Comedy Gold!

What's the over/under for number of times he says "sue"?

"Sir, my name isn't Sue. It's Richard. Could you please stop calling me Sue.".
 
2013-01-14 04:02:31 PM

lohphat: Solution: don't live near hillbillies.


True hillbillies won't live near you anyway. You are thinking of white trash wannabe hillbillies, also known as rednecks.

/knows some sophisticated, progressive, and intelligent people who could be classified as "hillbillies" and just want to have privacy
//but yeah, rednecks suck
 
2013-01-14 04:03:07 PM

Mugato: ph0rk: Mugato: lohphat: My home value has doubled since purchase in 1999. I don't have your problems and I don't have to ask anyone what color I can paint my house or what my front garden looks like.

The property value thing is a bullshiat excuse to control people.

Buying a home in a place with restrictive covenants, then ignoring said covenants while also failing to participate in the local government body (HOA) is a bullshiat excuse to complain.

I'm not arguing that. If you buy a place with a HOA and as long as they don't change it up on you, it's you're fault. I'm just saying for a last majority of the rules, the property value thing is bullshiat.

/and what's with calling them a "covenant"? Do you carry them around in an Ark?


Thats the name for the type of rule - it isn't a law, it isn't an ordinance, it is a covenant.

/not a lawyer.
//If you grant that anyone that buys an HOA and complains after is a tard, what's the problem?
///just makes two tards in this story, instead of one.
 
2013-01-14 04:03:12 PM
All the comments about the FCC protecting satellite dish installations reminds me of another fact. They can't regulate over the air TV antennas, either. If I lived in Stonecreek Stonecreek Stonecreek, I would install a big Rangemaster with a noisy rotor to get their pants in a wad.
 
2013-01-14 04:03:23 PM

ProfessorOhki: mjones73: ProfessorOhki: mjones73: miltoncharles: My HOA has taken me to court three times to get me to take down my "prohibited" DirecTV dish.  FCC law specifically prohibits homeowner's associations from banning DSS dishes.  HOA: "FCC laws do not apply to us."  Court: "Uhm, yes they do."

Well, long story short, I've won all three times, but can't get the court to award me legal fees. So, every couple of years, I'm out $3k in legal fees to keep my DirecTV dish.

//gotta have NFL Sunday Ticket
///go Steelers
////next year

How do they keep getting to take you back to court? I'd hand them a copy of the last three rulings along with the FCC rules and tell em to fark off..

You should be a dick and put a big old uhf/vhf antenna on your roof too, those are covered under the same FCC laws. :)

Antenna mast less than 12', doesn't even need a permit. Just sayin'

Right you are.

OTARD is a great thing.

Wow, how did I never notice that was the acronym; that's awesome.


I'm surprised I remembered the acronym off the top of my head like that.

As an ex Direct customer, I was pretty active on dbstalk.com and avsforum.com, they constantly had people complaining they were told they couldn't have a dish because of their HOA and we were more then happy to inform them of the laws protecting them.
 
2013-01-14 04:03:45 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: Alright, which member of the Douche Hall of Fame also did this? Was it JFP or Dino Zaffina or what?


You forgot the "M".

Expect a lawsuit.
 
2013-01-14 04:03:48 PM

Diogenes: My mom's HOA is pretty bad. Not the rules, but the leaders. It's been a succession of little dictators pretty much since she's been there. But, I have become tone deaf to her complaints. She won't get involved - go to meetings, attempt to vote out the Napoleons, etc. And she's pretty much fully retired now. I agree they're terrible, but if she won't even try do to anything I just can't get all exercised over it.


My house is in an HOA because the builder created one so he could sell the houses in the development, then turned the thing over to the residents after X% were sold.

The covenants were sort of dropped on us. We didn't get to vote on them because they existed as the builder's scheme from before any of us moved in. We need 30% homeowner attendance at a meeting to have quorum to amend the covenants. We can't manage to get more than 8 households out of 80 to show up at a meeting, and that includes the 4 board members.

My answer was to get on the board. If there was ever a circumstance that called for libertarians to get off their high horses and get involved, it's the boards of HOAs.

Also, we don't do liens. We chose to do small claims court for anything under the SCC limit. That means no lawyers for either side, thus reducing costs, the homeowner gets a fair showing before a neutral party, and any court judgements are attached to the person rather than the property so the house itself isn't at risk.

Myself, I'd rather dissolve the thing and turn the public ares over to the city as parks, but apparently under our state law that would take agreement from all the stakeholders to sever the association, and that includes all the lienholders that own the mortgages. Possible, but not much chance.
 
2013-01-14 04:04:28 PM
I'm the left-est most liberal of liberal of liberals. My heart bleeds blue. I worship Obama as the next coming of Jesus Christ. I'm an atheist, a tax-payer, and I love the gays.

I would never, ever live in a house that has an HOA.
 
2013-01-14 04:04:50 PM

mjones73: ProfessorOhki: mjones73: ProfessorOhki: mjones73: miltoncharles: My HOA has taken me to court three times to get me to take down my "prohibited" DirecTV dish.  FCC law specifically prohibits homeowner's associations from banning DSS dishes.  HOA: "FCC laws do not apply to us."  Court: "Uhm, yes they do."

Well, long story short, I've won all three times, but can't get the court to award me legal fees. So, every couple of years, I'm out $3k in legal fees to keep my DirecTV dish.

//gotta have NFL Sunday Ticket
///go Steelers
////next year

How do they keep getting to take you back to court? I'd hand them a copy of the last three rulings along with the FCC rules and tell em to fark off..

You should be a dick and put a big old uhf/vhf antenna on your roof too, those are covered under the same FCC laws. :)

Antenna mast less than 12', doesn't even need a permit. Just sayin'

Right you are.

OTARD is a great thing.

Wow, how did I never notice that was the acronym; that's awesome.

I'm surprised I remembered the acronym off the top of my head like that.

As an ex Direct customer, I was pretty active on dbstalk.com and avsforum.com, they constantly had people complaining they were told they couldn't have a dish because of their HOA and we were more then happy to inform them of the laws protecting them.


I should add we had the same issue with people complaining they couldn't put up antenna's for OTA broadcasts.
 
2013-01-14 04:05:44 PM

jamesmusik: They put up a phone call with the guy. It's pure genius.

http://www.courierpress.com/videos/detail/a-conversation-with-stonec re ek-hoa-president-steph/


And this is being recorded!
 
2013-01-14 04:07:22 PM

ciberido: jamesmusik: They put up a phone call with the guy. It's pure genius.

http://www.courierpress.com/videos/detail/a-conversation-with-stonec re ek-hoa-president-steph/

And this is being recorded!


Lol.  Odds on him suing them for also recording it?
 
2013-01-14 04:07:34 PM
My HOA is awesome. They never bother anyone, our dues are super low, we have two very nice neighborhood pools and they organize parties on a regular basis. They are nowhere near evil. I'm totally sorry some of you had to go through the things with HOAs you have gone through. That kind of thing totally sucks, dudes.

/HOA prez in the article needs a good beat down
//microchip a dog or else? really?

Stonecreek Stonecreek Stonecreek!
 
2013-01-14 04:07:36 PM
Just paid my annual HOA dues. $30 (down from $35 last year, as they so happily note in the invoice letter). Basically all mine does is maintain the landscaping at the entrances, run the annual 'hood garage sale, and remind people not to leave their trash cans at the curb all week. BFD.
 
2013-01-14 04:07:45 PM
mjones73:
How do they keep getting to take you back to court? I'd hand them a copy of the last three rulings along with the FCC rules and tell em to fark off..

I do that, but, since it usually happens when there's a new HOA board, it's "not recognized."  So, back we go.

You should be a dick and put a big old uhf/vhf antenna on your roof too, those are covered under the same FCC laws. :)

Way ahead of you.  And it's big enough to pick up stations 100 miles away.  Oddly, they've never mentioned it, though they took a lot of pictures of it a couple months back.
 
2013-01-14 04:08:54 PM
Firstly I hate HOAS and would never purchase a house in one. even if i would consider it , i would not do so if i was not permitted to see the rules/bylaws of the HOA before making my choice and even if i found them acceptable ( which is fairly unlikely) I would want to go out and talk to some of the people living near the housei am considering buying to get an idea how the HOA is run.

also
Stonecreek, H.O.A.
Stonecreek, H.O.A.
Stonecreek, H.O.A.
Stonecreek, H.O.A.
Stonecreek, H.O.A.
Stonecreek, H.O.A.
 
2013-01-14 04:09:19 PM
Where I live is part of an HOA.

My main complaint is that we pay landscapers to come in and make things worse. Hey, I have an idea, how about not weed-eating the ground a full foot away from any structure causing that part to turn into a desert, and instead, water the FARKing plants. Idiots.

The other thing is that this HOA is all old people, not hip on the whole idea of, you know, freedom of expression, and community standards dictating what is legal attire. Oh, and they aren't big on the whole guys living together thing, or the privacy thing, or the...whatever. It's funny to see that their rules have gone from 20+ to 14, and half of those are unenforceable because they are contrary to federal law. The latest thing is the animals thing related to ADA and FHA. What is also bad is that the governing language is so vague and poorly worded, it could mean anything.

But in the end, when it finally comes down to it...they don't do anything, except file a lien when you don't pay your dues...as well they should.
 
2013-01-14 04:09:33 PM

ph0rk: //If you grant that anyone that buys an HOA and complains after is a tard, what's the problem?
///just makes two tards in this story, instead of one.


I simply question the motivations and frankly the attitude of a lot the HOA Nazis I'm met. And it limits the neighborhoods you can move into if you want to avoid such Nazis. And they bust my Dad's balls something terrible even though he's a meticulous neat freak. Never actually find any violations, even though they do violate his property looking for them. So based on my experience, no, I don't care for them.
 
2013-01-14 04:09:41 PM

JackieRabbit: A homeowners association is unnecessary (for the most part). Home owners can agree to restrictive covenants that are attached to deeds and hire an attorney to enforce them. Each homeowner pays a small fee into a fund to retain the attorney. A homeowner in violation of the covenants must pay the attorney's fees for any action he/she must take. Homeowners can get together and vote on variance requests and changes to the covenants. They don't need elected leaders. HOAs are not even needed in municipalities with good zoning and land use regulations, but they can be a blessing in places where such regulations are weak or non-existent. All it takes to understand this is to live next to some fool who refuses to take care of his house and fills his yard with garbage and there's nothing you can do about it.


Exactly. If you have any common areas toss in a fee to to pay for a management company to handle it. Just have a vote on renewing the company's contract versus opening a bidding process in search of a cheaper management company every year. All you need this is a HOA Secretary to pass around copies of the bids. About the only acrimonious fight I can recall was some of the people wanted to pay to get a deal where snow removal on all sidewalks was handled, others didn't like that idea.

/whereas a more formal HOA can go straight to hell when the stay at home mother with a lust for power becomes the VP and gets a stick up her ass about enforcing every rule ever
 
2013-01-14 04:09:41 PM
and my HOA could give a flying damn where people put their sat dish. So that's a plus.
 
2013-01-14 04:10:02 PM

Matthew Keene: All the comments about the FCC protecting satellite dish installations reminds me of another fact. They can't regulate over the air TV antennas, either. If I lived in Stonecreek Stonecreek Stonecreek, I would install a big Rangemaster with a noisy rotor to get their pants in a wad.


Learn to refresh comments first, retard.
 
2013-01-14 04:10:26 PM

The Slush: ciberido: jamesmusik: They put up a phone call with the guy. It's pure genius.

http://www.courierpress.com/videos/detail/a-conversation-with-stonec re ek-hoa-president-steph/

And this is being recorded!

Lol. Odds on him suing them for also recording it?



Man that was hilarious.
 
2013-01-14 04:10:33 PM
111 comments on the newpaper's site, now disabled. Darn.
 
2013-01-14 04:10:52 PM
In our first townhouse in Virginia, we put a large (I think 10') OTA antenna on the roof. THe HOA wrote me and told me to take it down.

I sent them a letter and nicely told them to fark off, quoting the FCC regulation that specifically allowed for an antenna to be placed on the roof.

Then they wrote me another letter, telling me to move the antenna to the other side of the house. I sent them another letter and nicely told them to fark off again, as the HOA bylaws had no "enforceable placement preferences".

They shut up about it after that.

My 2nd HOA (in Colorado) sent me letters about my lawn (I was known as "dead lawn guy" even though I had sprinklers). I promptly installed new sod (which died, but...whattya gonna do...). As I was selling the property, they threatened to file a lein for dead trees.

I told them to fark off, and request that their "inspectors" make careful note of where property lines end for any future issues with those trees.

They shut up about it after that.

My curretn HOA is pretty cool. It's an established neighborhood, so I think that has something to do with it.

\\CSB
 
2013-01-14 04:11:02 PM

ph0rk: Edymnion: ph0rk: Edymnion: Private_Citizen: I've owned houses in two areas without HOAs, and one with them. The one with an HOA (the current one) is a much nicer place to live.

Without an HOA, I've dealt with neighbors who:

- had a garage sale every Fri, Sat and Sun.
- one who built a stone monstrosity in their backyard and topped it with a full sized Teepee
-people who so badly maintained their outbuildings that the termites collapsed them
-even people who expressed their creativity by painting trippy murals on their fence
-and, of course, loud music, yelling, parties, etc at all times of day and night.

And none of that is your business except for the last one, which you deal with by calling the cops and filing a noise complaint.

If somebody wants to paint their house neon pink with mint green polkadots, its their house and thats their right.

Unless they bought a house under an HOA covenant, in which case they never had that right to begin with. Which is the entire point.

Except that, you know, the quoted bit was "Without an HOA I've had to put up with:". The entire point was that its not in a HOA, and that nothing listed there is anyone's business but the owner's, except for the noise complaints.

Fark HOAs.

I think an unmanaged termite infestation next door will very quickly be the OP's problem, HOA or no.


Really, though, HOAs exist for poor (or middle class) people to feel rich. That's their only purpose. If the houses and lots in your neighborhood were expensive enough, you'd be able to keep the riff-raff out with the sheer price of purchase, and not need an HOA. And for combined services (landscaping, pools, ball massager), these are all setup by the HOA to allow poor people to afford things they wouldn't normally need through sharing-the-wealth.
 
2013-01-14 04:12:31 PM

nickerj1: jamesmusik: They put up a phone call with the guy. It's pure genius.

http://www.courierpress.com/videos/detail/a-conversation-with-stonec re ek-hoa-president-steph/

Comedy Gold!

What's the over/under for number of times he says "sue"?

"Sir, my name isn't Sue. It's Richard. Could you please stop calling me Sue.".


Clearly King Emperor HOA is a Johnny Cash fan.
 
2013-01-14 04:13:16 PM
I was the president of a condo HOA once. Didn't want the job, really... but I was already on the board as VP when the president of 12 years quit in a huff.

Some dumbass actually called me in the middle of the night because there was a raccoon on his back steps. I advised him to throw things at it and make loud noises.
 
2013-01-14 04:13:37 PM

Mugato: ph0rk: //If you grant that anyone that buys an HOA and complains after is a tard, what's the problem?
///just makes two tards in this story, instead of one.

I simply question the motivations and frankly the attitude of a lot the HOA Nazis I'm met. And it limits the neighborhoods you can move into if you want to avoid such Nazis. And they bust my Dad's balls something terrible even though he's a meticulous neat freak. Never actually find any violations, even though they do violate his property looking for them. So based on my experience, no, I don't care for them.


nickerj1: Really, though, HOAs exist for poor (or middle class) people to feel rich. That's their only purpose. If the houses and lots in your neighborhood were expensive enough, you'd be able to keep the riff-raff out with the sheer price of purchase, and not need an HOA. And for combined services (landscaping, pools, ball massager), these are all setup by the HOA to allow poor people to afford things they wouldn't normally need through sharing-the-wealth.


The problem in both cases isn't HOAs, it is napoleonic "respect mah authoritah" types. In the absence of an HOA, they'll just get on the town council and fark you in the ass even harder.
 
2013-01-14 04:13:40 PM

jamesmusik: They put up a phone call with the guy. It's pure genius.

http://www.courierpress.com/videos/detail/a-conversation-with-stonec re ek-hoa-president-steph/


Wow. That guy would not shut up.

About half way through:
Hess: "I'll give you the floor now."
Reporter: "Ok, I'll let you talk to my Bo..."
Hess: "Now, you've just violated my trust and I have 5 residents that say you are harassing them..."

And on and on. He keeps telling the reporter that he's done, and as soon as the report speaks, he interrupts him and keeps talking.

Reporter: "Ok, let me get..."
Hess: "Let me tell you that I am not happy with your tone and your words. I'm am going to sue you and I am in legal right to do so...."
 
2013-01-14 04:14:15 PM

ProfessorOhki: Private_Citizen: - had a garage sale every Fri, Sat and Sun.
- one who built a stone monstrosity in their backyard and topped it with a full sized Teepee
-people who so badly maintained their outbuildings that the termites collapsed them
-even people who expressed their creativity by painting trippy murals on their fence
-and, of course, loud music, yelling, parties, etc at all times of day and night.

- Lots of local regs for these ala, "No more than 4 a year"
- Probably against permits/zoning already
- Obviously against safety code
- It's their fence, fark off
- Already against city regs, no doubt

So, in summary, you like your HOA because you don't like the one guy's taste in fence painting. Everything else is redundant.


I've noticed that when given total freedom, there's a certain type of person who just goes crazy, becomes a complete ass and generally runs their Freak Flag up the ole flag pole. The internet is a classic example (See John Gabriel's "Greater Internet Dickwad Theory").

An HOA prevents that douchery from crossing over into the real world. Sure, if you live in a rural area, where you have to take a drive to see your nearest neighbor, no one cares if you have a front yard decorated in late Junkyard - or that your trying to rust that old car into the dirt by ritualistically pissing on it every morning. But if you're in a modern neighborhood, you may be happy you have an HOA - because the police could care less about your nasty, weird, spitefull troll of a neighbor.

/But make sure the nasty, weird, spitefull troll isn't the only guy to attend the HOA meeting - that's how Stonecreek happens.
 
2013-01-14 04:14:19 PM

Matthew Keene: Matthew Keene: All the comments about the FCC protecting satellite dish installations reminds me of another fact. They can't regulate over the air TV antennas, either. If I lived in Stonecreek Stonecreek Stonecreek, I would install a big Rangemaster with a noisy rotor to get their pants in a wad.

Learn to refresh comments first, retard.


Have you considered switching to decaff?
 
2013-01-14 04:15:07 PM
I know Tom Langhorne; he really is a pretty cool guy. Oh, and I sent Stephen Hess an email, thanking him for providing much-needed lutz today.
 
2013-01-14 04:15:24 PM

Thudfark: Someone named Hess with delusions of grandeur and a penchant for the tyrannical? Colour me shocked.


At the risk of 'godwinning' this thread, I'd say he had the perfect name for an HOA president. (Along with Eichmann, Speer and Goebbels)
 
2013-01-14 04:16:57 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: Thudfark: Someone named Hess with delusions of grandeur and a penchant for the tyrannical? Colour me shocked.

At the risk of 'godwinning' this thread, I'd say he had the perfect name for an HOA president. (Along with Eichmann, Speer and Goebbels)


I'm waiting for him to steal a plane and fly to England in the hopes of negotiating an unofficial peace with the newspaper.
 
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