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(Evansville Courier Press)   HOA president: You may not use our name in any article. Evansville Courier & Press: Stonecreek, Stonecreek, Stonecreek   (courierpress.com ) divider line 503
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2013-01-14 03:23:00 PM  
I just got done with a fight with my HOA. I get a letter from them telling me that my back gate (which I never use) is broken and to fix it. Now week prior to that the HOA had a big siding project where all the roofs and siding were replaced. Well the crew they hired left a mess in my yard and broke the fence which caused the hinges to bend and the door to fall off. I didnt really give 2 shiats about the door since the wood is mostly rotten anyways and I just propped it up since I never use it. There were lots of phone calls and letters exchanged. I did get an apology from them about the mess left in my yard (woopty doo), but I still had to rehang the door since I had no proof the contractors did it. I filled the screw holes with an epoxy and damn if it is holding better than before. Gotta find the lil nazi that keeps crying about this shiat.
 
2013-01-14 03:23:50 PM  
FTA:

"You stop this article immediately, because I will sue you just like I sue the people who don't pay their dues," he said.

'A powerful tool'

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2013-01-14 03:23:52 PM  
These HOA horror stories are largely the exception, not the rule. Most HOAs are run by decent people, and they're set up to ensure that the common areas are maintained and that the mutually-beneficial and agreed-upon covenants are enforced.

We hear these reports and we like to think that all HOAs are run by fascist busybodies in an attempt to create a Stepford Wives neighborhood, but that's by and large just an Internet fantasy.

Having lived in both an HOA and non HOA community, I think that for suburban/town living, I'd go with the HOA 100% of the time, but for rural/country living, no way.
 
2013-01-14 03:24:01 PM  
Heh. Poor stupid bastards who live there.

Honestly surprised we don't hear about more HOA guys like that being murdered by a lynch mob.
 
2013-01-14 03:24:14 PM  

MisterLoki: "Furthermore, this notice also requires you not to at any measure mention anything regarding my name, any resident of Stonecreek, NOR will we ALLOW any of your printing in any article regarding Stonecreek at any time in any publication,"

lol


He might as well just said "I'm a powerful tool in my own little HOA pond, and I think my perceived authority extends into the real world, so I'm going to issue silly orders to you."

Oh, and, Stonecreek, featuring what I believe to be the dulcet dictatorship of Stephen Heß...excuse me, Hess. Like this is the first time a Hess has issued silly orders.
 
2013-01-14 03:24:37 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Dino Zaffina


You dropped something, here, let me get it for you...

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2013-01-14 03:25:13 PM  
media.giantbomb.com
 
2013-01-14 03:25:30 PM  

Lawnchair: FTA: Homes are selling in Stonecreek for generally no more than $155,000, while it is not uncommon for homes at Keystone to sell for $200,000 or more.

Yeah, I'd consider paying a 30% surplus to live in a relaxed 'hood, too.


1) Buy a whole bunch of $155k houses
2) Vote Hess out
3) ???
4) Profit
 
2013-01-14 03:25:33 PM  

groppet: Gotta find the lil nazi that keeps crying about this shiat.


www.grindhouse.it

Come at me, biatch!

/seriously, go after him. Use of a brand is not only recommended, but encouraged.
 
2013-01-14 03:25:37 PM  

groppet: lil nazi


you live in IL?
Cause I HATE those lil il nazis.
 
2013-01-14 03:25:41 PM  

FormlessOne: dahmers love zombie: I like how the news site's very next line after reprinting the "don't use the name Stonecreek" email was:

'A powerful tool'

LOL.

Yeah, I love that little "coincidental" heading. Hess does appear to be an appalling pissant of a person.

However, that's what you get when you sign into an HOA - the very real possibility of being forced not just to keep your property in a certain manner, but actually told how you should live portions of your life, too.

If you're stupid enough to sign onto an HOA, you deserve everything you get, honestly. I find it bizarre that HOAs are still prevalent enough, given their abuses over the last two decades, to warrant regular Fark postings about some new petty tyranny related to them.


it's best to keep the dooshbags all in one hen house. if we could keep them out of the supermarket life would be bliss.

/ big fat shopper
 
2013-01-14 03:25:50 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: These HOA horror stories are largely the exception, not the rule. Most HOAs are run by decent people, and they're set up to ensure that the common areas are maintained and that the mutually-beneficial and agreed-upon covenants are enforced.

We hear these reports and we like to think that all HOAs are run by fascist busybodies in an attempt to create a Stepford Wives neighborhood, but that's by and large just an Internet fantasy.

Having lived in both an HOA and non HOA community, I think that for suburban/town living, I'd go with the HOA 100% of the time, but for rural/country living, no way.


Your anecdotal advice is no more valid.
 
2013-01-14 03:25:58 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: You dropped something, here, let me get it for you...


Nope, that was deliberate. He gets no resmpect from me. :)
 
2013-01-14 03:26:21 PM  

Koalaesq: Diogenes: nekom: You seriously can't, even in rural areas?

Consider the state.  It's possible, but "rural" means "swamp".  And it's probably a biatch to get hooked up to utilities, services, etc.

I grew up in the sticks in NJ.  That was different.

Sticks as in "everything below New Brunswick" or sticks as in "Sussex/Warren county"? Very different type of sticks.


Hunterdon County.  Alexandria Township.  I used to hunt in my back yard.
 
2013-01-14 03:27:43 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
RIGHT.... who threw that?

"Well, he DID say 'Stonecreek'..."
 
2013-01-14 03:27:56 PM  
Wait . . . is this article about STONECREEK?
 
2013-01-14 03:28:32 PM  
i171.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-14 03:28:43 PM  
the100.ru

♪♫ Stonecreek do what I pleasee
Stonecreek I can't stay
Stonecreek I got to I got to get away ♪♫
 
2013-01-14 03:28:47 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: These HOA horror stories are largely the exception, not the rule. Most HOAs are run by decent people, and they're set up to ensure that the common areas are maintained and that the mutually-beneficial and agreed-upon covenants are enforced.

We hear these reports and we like to think that all HOAs are run by fascist busybodies in an attempt to create a Stepford Wives neighborhood, but that's by and large just an Internet fantasy.

Having lived in both an HOA and non HOA community, I think that for suburban/town living, I'd go with the HOA 100% of the time, but for rural/country living, no way.


Me? Not a friggin' chance. An HOA is a deal-killer for me. The problem is that the HOA may be all decent and useful now, but later, when houses change hands and suddenly the nastiest folks in the neighborhood have staged a 'coup', for lack of a better term, and are now running the show, the HOA can become a problem later.

Much easier to buy into a non-HOA community and not worry about it, than buy into an HOA community knowing that you'll have to participate in an ersatz local government just to ensure it doesn't get taken over by the neighborhood Nazi.
 
2013-01-14 03:29:17 PM  

ajgeek: I swear to god HOAs are lawyers collective attempt to become ruler of their own little country. And people BUY INTO IT!

/you could pay me to live in an HOA
//it would have to be a lot of money, but you could pay me.


So apparently like 49/300 didn't pay their dues...

Well, correct me if I'm wrong, you can simply vote to DISSOLVE the HOA, right?

LOL but you'd probably have to pay your dues to it first, to be able to vote against it...
 
2013-01-14 03:29:18 PM  

Diogenes: Koalaesq: Diogenes: nekom: You seriously can't, even in rural areas?

Consider the state.  It's possible, but "rural" means "swamp".  And it's probably a biatch to get hooked up to utilities, services, etc.

I grew up in the sticks in NJ.  That was different.

Sticks as in "everything below New Brunswick" or sticks as in "Sussex/Warren county"? Very different type of sticks.

Hunterdon County.  Alexandria Township.  I used to hunt in my back yard.


Dang. Hunterdon makes Sussex County look like the Bronx. It's gorgeous, though. I love traveling out there for clients.
 
2013-01-14 03:30:11 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: CapeFearCadaver: You dropped something, here, let me get it for you...

Nope, that was deliberate. He gets no resmpect from me. :)


Car at my work parking lot has one of those "Respect" bumper stickers, about respecting all religions/spiritualities... every time I see it I think "ResMpect" and get a little giggle :)
 
2013-01-14 03:30:12 PM  
 
2013-01-14 03:30:16 PM  
"Furthermore, this notice also requires you not to at any measure mention anything regarding my name, any resident of Stonecreek, NOR will we ALLOW any of your printing in any article regarding Stonecreek at any time in any publication," the message stated. "You will be held liable for any violations of this letter and notice/request in this email. If we find/discover you have mentioned Stonecreek in any legal matter their (sic) will be action toward yourself as well as any print paper you represent in the media article.

Bite my ass and choke on it, you deranged control freak.

"You stop this article immediately, because I will sue you just like I sue the people who don't pay their dues," he said.
- HOA President and professional douchbag Stephen Hess, Stonecreek Arbors Homeowners Association.
 
2013-01-14 03:30:17 PM  
I don't mind our HOA.  We're a neighborhood of townhouses and the HOA takes care of mowing, watering, and aerating our front lawns (and maintain any front yard trees or bushes).  This year they repainted all the homes and check our trim and roofs every year for damage.  The HOA also maintains a few little parks for the kids and picnic shelters.

Our HOA also belongs to a larger professional group that runs dozens HOAs around the city, so maybe that protects us from them turning into mini-fiefdoms and instead they get shiat done?
 
2013-01-14 03:30:38 PM  

nekom: Diogenes: I don't know what it's like elsewhere, but here in Central Florida (and I believe the majority of the rest of the state) you can't avoid them. You'd never find a house if you won't accept an HOA.

Mine is OK. Which is surprising because we have alot of cranky old folks.

You seriously can't, even in rural areas?  It's much the opposite here, I've never heard of any HOAs here, at least not in any of the old towns, maybe some newer developments have them.

Elzar: I've lived in an HOA, it was an outrage! My property value didn't go down, my neighbors weren't allowed to park their broke down cars on the front lawn and I wasn't even able to call the cops on my neighbors for them not blasting music into the wee hours of the morning.

The alley behind my house is strewn with vehicles in various states of operation and disrepair.  What's so offensive about broken down cars?  Typically they get cut up and sold for scrap in short order anyway, what with the price of scrap iron through the roof these days.  I'll take my freedom, thanks anyway.  No one gets to tell me what to do with my property.


That's your right, then. But if you are buying into a HOA community you are choosing to waive some of those rights for certain securities, such as ensuring your property value in relation to those in the area (which typically results in stable, or increasing, values) along with assurances that most nuisances are able to be addressed in a reasonable fashion. Most successful HOAs also are able to negotiate for lower costs for many things, from utilities to lawncare, simply by representing a larger share of land. In some cases, HOAs can petition to prevent local townships from annexing them and remain County Land, which can keep taxes down substantially while ensuring a similar quality of local planning than they would have had under a local ordinance from the township.

The problem with HOAs is a lot like the problem with Monarchies. A benevolent Monarchy is the most effective and productive government there is. It is also the easiest to become a petty tyranny (and often does).

That said, where possible I would avoid HOAs in the post 2007 recession world because now that the majority of houses are underwater or empty in Suburbia those fees are going to go up and tensions will increase with them.
 
2013-01-14 03:30:50 PM  
My previous house was in a HOA neighborhood of epic proportions, we're talking 11,000+ residents. On the upside the sheer size of the thing insured it ran more as a local government entity than a petty fiefdom. My current neighborhood is much smaller scale and the only drama of late was when the tight-fisted HOA president refused to approve funds for a bouncy castle at the Fall picnic.
 
2013-01-14 03:30:59 PM  
My take on HOAs when they actually serve a real purpose, like my current home, where the dues pay for all exterior maintenance, landscaping, community pool, and tennis courts, they are a good idea. When they serve no purpose , like my last home, where the dues paid for landscaping the entrance and nothing else and sending you a letter stating your mailbox is faded, they are a haven for neighborhood tyrants.
 
2013-01-14 03:31:22 PM  

Nabb1: Step one: let the petty tyrants sue you.
Step two: seek attorneys fees when you bounce their frivolous suit right out of court.
Step three: record the judgment for attorneys fees and slap a lien on their house.
Step four: LOL.


The website you got your law degree from, do they let you print the diploma from the site or do they email it to you?
 
2013-01-14 03:31:37 PM  
My HOA has taken me to court three times to get me to take down my "prohibited" DirecTV dish.  FCC law specifically prohibits homeowner's associations from banning DSS dishes.  HOA: "FCC laws do not apply to us."  Court: "Uhm, yes they do."

Well, long story short, I've won all three times, but can't get the court to award me legal fees. So, every couple of years, I'm out $3k in legal fees to keep my DirecTV dish.

//gotta have NFL Sunday Ticket
///go Steelers
////next year
 
2013-01-14 03:31:47 PM  
I know it's not fashionable but for every anecdote about a bad HOA there's probably a thousand or more HOAs that are perfectly fine. I like mine. They keep my neighbors from being trailer trash. Once mine sent me a letter telling me I should get my trim repainted, but I knew it was starting to look like shiat and was planning to do it anyways. I'm cool with that.
 
2013-01-14 03:31:57 PM  

DanZero: It's showwwwwwwwwwwwtime!


Damn, I didn't realize it was Done in One.
 
2013-01-14 03:32:03 PM  

Thunderpipes: Citrate1007: HoA's tend to be ran by Tea Party types that get off on their micro-fascist power trips.

Umm, no. HOAs are liberals, they want to control everything, tax everything, run everything.

Liberals LOVE HOAs. They want to turn the country into a giant HOA.


I'm a Liberal, and I wouldn't join an HOA to save my life.
 
2013-01-14 03:32:06 PM  

Thunderpipes: Citrate1007: HoA's tend to be ran by Tea Party types that get off on their micro-fascist power trips.

Umm, no. HOAs are liberals, they want to control everything, tax everything, run everything.

Liberals LOVE HOAs. They want to turn the country into a giant HOA.


oh, no's!
 
2013-01-14 03:33:06 PM  
HOAs are only trying to protect the greater good.
 
2013-01-14 03:33:34 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: These HOA horror stories are largely the exception, not the rule. Most HOAs are run by decent people, and they're set up to ensure that the common areas are maintained and that the mutually-beneficial and agreed-upon covenants are enforced.

We hear these reports and we like to think that all HOAs are run by fascist busybodies in an attempt to create a Stepford Wives neighborhood, but that's by and large just an Internet fantasy.

Having lived in both an HOA and non HOA community, I think that for suburban/town living, I'd go with the HOA 100% of the time, but for rural/country living, no way.

Your anecdotal advice is no more valid.


I wasn't really giving advice. Maybe the vast majority of HOAs are horrible, and I and everyone I've known who has ever lived in one has just lucked out? It's possible, but in my opinion it's more likely that HOAs serve the interests of their residents well, and their Internet reputation is largely a myth. I could be wrong.
 
2013-01-14 03:34:27 PM  

GAT_00: CapeFearCadaver: Is Stephen Hess short? I'll bet he's shorter than a great dane.

[napoleonireland.com image 418x550]

Napoleon was actually 5'7", quite normal for that day.


You sound short.

/and not at all normal
 
2013-01-14 03:35:22 PM  
"Furthermore, this notice also requires you not to at any measure mention anything regarding my name, any resident of Stonecreek, NOR will we ALLOW any of your printing in any article regarding Stonecreek at any time in any publication," the message stated. "You will be held liable for any violations of this letter and notice/request in this email. If we find/discover you have mentioned Stonecreek in any legal matter their (sic) will be action toward yourself as well as any print paper you represent in the media article.

"You may contact any HOA in the County of Vanderburgh, the State of Indiana, but Stonecreek will not PERMIT OR ALLOW YOU our legal name in any future article."


assets.flavorwire.com

Truly, you have a dizzying intellect...

"violations of this letter"?? Since when has your letter been capable of establishing law?

I'll violate your letter. I'll tear off your letter's envelope and throw it to the ground, and ravish it over and over and....
 
2013-01-14 03:36:15 PM  
I am the president of my building's HOA. I think I do a pretty good job here, and I don't even live in the building (converted our condo to an office for my CPA practice). The association pays me a monthly stipend because my wife and I act like part-time managers. In the entire 15 year lifespan of our HOA, no one has ever run against me. Not everyone likes me because when you have a bunch of different people that have differing opinions about the way things should be done, disagreements are inevitable. But I believe everyone here thinks I'm fair, which I am. Not all HOAs are run by petty, vindictive people.
 
2013-01-14 03:37:13 PM  

LaraAmber: I don't mind our HOA.  We're a neighborhood of townhouses and the HOA takes care of mowing, watering, and aerating our front lawns (and maintain any front yard trees or bushes).  This year they repainted all the homes and check our trim and roofs every year for damage.  The HOA also maintains a few little parks for the kids and picnic shelters.

Our HOA also belongs to a larger professional group that runs dozens HOAs around the city, so maybe that protects us from them turning into mini-fiefdoms and instead they get shiat done?


Your experience falls in line with mine, and everyone I've ever known who has lived in an HOA. I think most people who malign HOAs have little first hand knowledge of them outside of Internet threads. That or they had one bad experience and decided that all HOAs were mini dictatorships.
 
2013-01-14 03:38:08 PM  

miltoncharles: My HOA has taken me to court three times to get me to take down my "prohibited" DirecTV dish.  FCC law specifically prohibits homeowner's associations from banning DSS dishes.  HOA: "FCC laws do not apply to us."  Court: "Uhm, yes they do."

Well, long story short, I've won all three times, but can't get the court to award me legal fees. So, every couple of years, I'm out $3k in legal fees to keep my DirecTV dish.

//gotta have NFL Sunday Ticket
///go Steelers
////next year


Dude......really? Is this a separate lawsuit where you tried to recoup your money, or is it the legal action by the HOA that doesn't give you the money?
 
2013-01-14 03:38:17 PM  

Tom_Slick: My take on HOAs when they actually serve a real purpose, like my current home, where the dues pay for all exterior maintenance, landscaping, community pool, and tennis courts, they are a good idea. When they serve no purpose , like my last home, where the dues paid for landscaping the entrance and nothing else and sending you a letter stating your mailbox is faded, they are a haven for neighborhood tyrants.


2.bp.blogspot.com

SEMPER FIDELIS TYRANNOSAURUS!!!
 
2013-01-14 03:39:02 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: I've never lived in an HOA neighborhood. After hearing all these stories I don't think I want to.


It's about the same as the danger of letting your kids walk down the street to a friend's house by themselves. They won't get kidnapped, but if you listen to the media reports of child abductions, it seems like the craziest thing to let your kids walk around on their own.

We've been living in an HOA for 12 years, and I prefer it. The homes don't all look the same -- maybe 1:15 ratio of shared elevations in small sections of the neighborhood, but still different materials and colors. Streets all curve, so you can't see far down any of them. The construction crews left large numbers of native oaks during construction, so we have a nice canopy that covers much of the neighborhood.

One year, they asked us to move our trash cans out of sight of the street when it wasn't trash day.

The horror.
 
2013-01-14 03:39:22 PM  

nekom: ajgeek: And people BUY INTO IT!

That's the real puzzling part.  I don't get what the upshot is.  I suppose if you REALLY loved conformity and wanted to live in a neighborhood where the houses all look the same.  Can't really see why it would appeal to anyone.  I've got a pickup truck without plates in my yard just for driving around on my property, I've got two septic tanks still in the ground, I cut my grass when the mood strikes me.  I wouldn't last a week in an HOA environment.


Farkers that defend hoas typically tell you that if you don't have an hoa, all your neighbors will let the grass get ten feet tall, leave rusting cars and dead dogs on their front lawn, and paint their house plaid with a middle finger pointed at your bedroom window.
 
2013-01-14 03:39:43 PM  
If the idiots don't want to pay HOA fees, the idiots shouldn't have bought a house in the subdivision in the first place. Maybe they should go and build their castle in a swamp.
 
2013-01-14 03:39:45 PM  

miltoncharles: Well, long story short, I've won all three times, but can't get the court to award me legal fees. So, every couple of years, I'm out $3k in legal fees to keep my DirecTV dish.


A few years ago when people were making the switch to HD with Directv the installer came through and add the new dish to the homes that had it, they did not take down the old round dishes, we all got letters stating, "All Satellite Dishes not in use must be removed by X date the HOA will have a contractor in the area to remove the dish if the homeowner would like assistance on X date." I thought wow seems reasonable, but someone took them to court and apparently you can't force people to remove dishes not in use even when paying for the labor. They never tried again.
 
2013-01-14 03:40:22 PM  
"Furthermore, this notice also requires you not to at any measure mention anything regarding my name, any resident of Stonecreek, NOR will we ALLOW any of your printing in any article regarding Stonecreek at any time in any publication," the message stated. "You will be held liable for any violations of this letter and notice/request in this email. If we find/discover you have mentioned Stonecreek in any legal matter their (sic) will be action toward yourself as well as any print paper you represent in the media article."

Is it just me, or does this read like some sort of Sovereign Citizen derp?
 
2013-01-14 03:41:08 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Honestly surprised we don't hear about more HOA guys like that being murdered by a lynch mob


Does anyone have any extra bags?
 
2013-01-14 03:41:08 PM  

Oznog: ajgeek: I swear to god HOAs are lawyers collective attempt to become ruler of their own little country. And people BUY INTO IT!

/you could pay me to live in an HOA
//it would have to be a lot of money, but you could pay me.

So apparently like 49/300 didn't pay their dues...

Well, correct me if I'm wrong, you can simply vote to DISSOLVE the HOA, right?

LOL but you'd probably have to pay your dues to it first, to be able to vote against it...


The way most of these things are typically structured, you need a majority of everybody in the neighborhood, not just everybody that shows up to a meeting to do that. And developers often retain a 51% share in the association even after the properties have been sold, just so they can control if absolutely necessary- like some asshole who wants to get rid of the HOA, destroying their good name as a builder by allowing people to park on the street.

Basically, the developers have their lawyers make dissolving an HOA practically impossible. You can overthrow the leadership, but there really aren't any legal protections for average homeowners.
 
2013-01-14 03:41:18 PM  
Hey, whats going on in.....hold on a sec

*runs outside, pees off the porch*

Sorry, had to run to the bathroom

/conserving water
//country livin'
 
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