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(International Business Times)   Star Wars: TOR takes a bold progressive leap into the 21st century by allowing same-sex relationships as long as they stay on the 'gay' planet   (ibtimes.co.uk ) divider line
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2013-01-14 10:17:57 AM  
Bioware: completely missing the farking point since 2007(at least)
 
2013-01-14 10:31:48 AM  
Subby, this sounds like more of a limitation of their budget and game design choices than some form of evil discrimination.

They probably don't want to get all the voice actors from the other worlds together to record new dialogue options for the areas of the game that have been available since launch.
 
2013-01-14 10:41:13 AM  
Ahh yes.  Nothing like auto-play music that you can't control.

Gay characters are the least of my concerns with SWTOR.  I haven't signed on in months.  I leveled to 50 then got pissed that the armor and weapons that I meticulously crafted and looted was suddenly out stripped by the lvl50 armor set that they just give you.  That along with no environment variables with respect to combat and group aggro every freaking time just got old.  I may check back in soon...the wall hackers and aim-botters in BO2 are getting old.
 
2013-01-14 11:54:12 AM  
Be careful when entering the Blue Oyster Cantina.... it's hard to refuse when a Wookie in a leather motorcycle cap wants to dance with you.
 
2013-01-14 01:36:50 PM  
New content has same-sex romantic options.

This was the only planet added this time.

This is a non-story.
 
2013-01-14 01:37:19 PM  
In the imperial navy,
yes you can sail the galaxies
In the imperial navy...
 
2013-01-14 01:38:37 PM  

LesserEvil: Be careful when entering the Blue Oyster Cantina.... it's hard to refuse when a Wookie in a leather motorcycle cap wants to dance with you.


"I suggest a new strategy, R2: let the Wookiee top."
 
2013-01-14 01:40:39 PM  
To be fair, this would have been a MASSIVE undertaking to implement into the game post release. But they shot themselves in the foot ad promised same sex relationships after they released the game without really calculating what it would take to put that into place. They had to deliver something after making that promise and this is the compromise. Damned if they did, and damned if they didn't. That has been the story for Bioware for the last 2 years.
 
2013-01-14 01:41:11 PM  
People still play SW:TOR? I foolishly pre-ordered it and while it was fun for a while it got old 6 months after launch and it was dying already.
 
2013-01-14 01:41:25 PM  
Kinda gives a whole new meaning to the phrase 'Han shot first.' don't it?
 
2013-01-14 01:41:26 PM  

Drewdad: New content has same-sex romantic options.

This was the only planet added this time.

This is a non-story.


That's what I'm getting from this as well. New content available in new areas only. Big shocker there. It sounds like someone is beating the scandal drum in the marketing department.

Not that I plan to go out and resubscribe, but now I'm curious about what they are adding to the game. I got about 5 characters to the max level and lost interest because I don't want to spend the entire end game doing the same dungeons and same PvP scenarios over and over.
 
2013-01-14 01:41:35 PM  
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dualplains: LesserEvil: Be careful when entering the Blue Oyster Cantina.... it's hard to refuse when a Wookie in a leather motorcycle cap wants to dance with you.

"I suggest a new strategy, R2: let the Wookiee top."


You came in that thing? You've braver than I thought
 
2013-01-14 01:42:10 PM  
So Uranus?
 
2013-01-14 01:42:47 PM  
this game pisses me off to no end. I played, stop playing and when they announced free to play tried to back, but it won't let me unless I sign up for a monthly plan.

fffffffffffffffuuuUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
 
2013-01-14 01:43:39 PM  
UO was doing this in 1932
 
2013-01-14 01:44:33 PM  
This is lame.  Fable had same sex relationships in 2004.
 
2013-01-14 01:45:01 PM  
My sith bounty hunter with the heart of gold can finally be an honest man.

/at least on one planet
//and this has been in works for a while now
///cue the right wing outrage in 3...2...
 
2013-01-14 01:45:35 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: People still play SW:TOR? I foolishly pre-ordered it and while it was fun for a while it got old 6 months after launch and it was dying already.


I still play it. I love the character/story driven aspect to it. I've got NO interest in the MMO part, though.
 
2013-01-14 01:46:01 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: People still play SW:TOR? I foolishly pre-ordered it and while it was fun for a while it got old 6 months after launch and it was dying already.


They've made some significant changes and consolidated servers.  I started playing again and its improved quite a bit.
 
2013-01-14 01:46:45 PM  
honestly, it's seemed to me like bioware's essentially pulled the main plug on TOR already, what with the whole massive hemmorrage of players and going F2P/PTW.

so now they're simply devoting enough to keep the faithful and the mouthbreathing attached and pumping quarters into the slot.

dualplains: LesserEvil: Be careful when entering the Blue Oyster Cantina.... it's hard to refuse when a Wookie in a leather motorcycle cap wants to dance with you.

"I suggest a new strategy, R2: let the Wookiee top."


you two fancy bastards got me both times. bravo.
 
2013-01-14 01:46:49 PM  

cgraves67: Drewdad: New content has same-sex romantic options.

This was the only planet added this time.

This is a non-story.

That's what I'm getting from this as well. New content available in new areas only. Big shocker there. It sounds like someone is beating the scandal drum in the marketing department.

Not that I plan to go out and resubscribe, but now I'm curious about what they are adding to the game. I got about 5 characters to the max level and lost interest because I don't want to spend the entire end game doing the same dungeons and same PvP scenarios over and over.


And now I've looked at it. For $20 dollars you get a whole 5 additional levels on a new planet with new class story lines. I'm underwhelmed. No new classes. No new races. Meh meh meh.
 
2013-01-14 01:47:19 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: People still play SW:TOR? I foolishly pre-ordered it and while it was fun for a while it got old 6 months after launch and it was dying already.


I pre-ordered the super-duper-mega-box-ultimate-collector's edition.  And I played it for about two weeks.  I'll never pre-order an MMO ever again.
 
2013-01-14 01:49:30 PM  

cgraves67: Drewdad: New content has same-sex romantic options.

This was the only planet added this time.

This is a non-story.

That's what I'm getting from this as well. New content available in new areas only. Big shocker there. It sounds like someone is beating the scandal drum in the marketing department.

Not that I plan to go out and resubscribe, but now I'm curious about what they are adding to the game. I got about 5 characters to the max level and lost interest because I don't want to spend the entire end game doing the same dungeons and same PvP scenarios over and over.


I guess I just don't have the time to commit. I've been playing since pre-order and only have one 50.
 
2013-01-14 01:52:55 PM  

Bondith: .dualplains: LesserEvil: Be careful when entering the Blue Oyster Cantina.... it's hard to refuse when a Wookie in a leather motorcycle cap wants to dance with you.

"I suggest a new strategy, R2: let the Wookiee top."

You came in that thing? You've braver than I thought


"Oh, this oil bath is going to feel SOO good!"
 
2013-01-14 01:54:39 PM  
Someone whined and was quoted in TFA: Star Wars is a family-based story with nothing to do with SGR

Are people really this inured to violence? Torturing a slave, having antisocial personality disorder, killing, lying, backstabbing - all family-friendly family values. Flirting with a same-gendered being on one planet that is gated by a paywall - ruining the game.

Come to think of it, sex and relationships have nothing to do with Star Wars. In 6 movies, only 2 relationships are ever shown - one a dysfunctional secret marriage, the other a couple going from flirtation to "true undying eternal love" with barely a kiss. Including them ruined the game!
 
2013-01-14 01:54:53 PM  
That is one of the most misleading article headlines I've seen for a while.

/I miss journalism
 
2013-01-14 01:58:42 PM  
However, the article also features excerpts from BioWare's official forums, where fans of The Old Republic have complained about the addition of same-sex relationships to the game.

"Star Wars is a family-based story with nothing to do with SGR," wrote one user. "Please, please, please Bioware do not allow SGR in Star Wars The Old Republic. It will ruin the game and make a lot of people leave it."

Another user wrote: "Got to agree with some of the posts on the SGR. If you can't get it right in the real world then don't stick it in the game, way too hot a topic to draw that kind of attention. I foresee thousands of parents deleting this game from their kid's computers and others because their church told them to. Why go there? Is it really worth it?"


What the fark? Even more than in the real world, how will the fact that this option exists impact ANYONE who doesn't want it? How is having this OPTION in the game going to "ruin" it? I don't play the game myself, but if someone chooses to have a gay partner, how does this change the experience for everyone else?
 
2013-01-14 01:58:48 PM  

dualplains: cgraves67: Drewdad: New content has same-sex romantic options.

This was the only planet added this time.

This is a non-story.

That's what I'm getting from this as well. New content available in new areas only. Big shocker there. It sounds like someone is beating the scandal drum in the marketing department.

Not that I plan to go out and resubscribe, but now I'm curious about what they are adding to the game. I got about 5 characters to the max level and lost interest because I don't want to spend the entire end game doing the same dungeons and same PvP scenarios over and over.

I guess I just don't have the time to commit. I've been playing since pre-order and only have one 50.


Same here.  I just started a second character last week.
 
2013-01-14 01:59:19 PM  
I really enjoyed the time I spent in SWTOR, but I haven't had time to do anything with it for months. But now that I finally replaced my Naga mouse, it may be time to sign on and play some huttball! The biggest problem with pvp, is that I can't play huttball every round. :(
 
2013-01-14 01:59:42 PM  

Duck_of_Doom: Come to think of it, sex and relationships have nothing to do with Star Wars. In 6 movies, only 2 relationships are ever shown - one a dysfunctional secret marriage, the other a couple going from flirtation to "true undying eternal love" with barely a kiss. Including them ruined the game!


Don't forget the incest.

dualplains: Bondith: .dualplains: LesserEvil: Be careful when entering the Blue Oyster Cantina.... it's hard to refuse when a Wookie in a leather motorcycle cap wants to dance with you.

"I suggest a new strategy, R2: let the Wookiee top."

You came in that thing? You've braver than I thought

"Oh, this oil bath is going to feel SOO good!"


I'm suddenly looking at that torture device Vader strapped Han in a whole new light.

/I figured Vader would be into kinky stuff, but I never saw Han as the type to enjoy bondage and electroplay
 
2013-01-14 02:01:30 PM  
is the gay planet called San Francisco by any chance?

/drtfa
 
2013-01-14 02:04:23 PM  

LesserEvil: Be careful when entering the Blue Oyster Cantina.... it's hard to refuse when a Wookie in a leather motorcycle cap wants to dance with you.


dualplains: LesserEvil: Be careful when entering the Blue Oyster Cantina.... it's hard to refuse when a Wookie in a leather motorcycle cap wants to dance with you.

"I suggest a new strategy, R2: let the Wookiee top."


So... "wookiee" is the Star Wars universe's equivalent of "bear" in our culture. Got it.
 
2013-01-14 02:06:04 PM  
TORtanic never stops being hilariously awful.
 
2013-01-14 02:06:54 PM  

Sci-Fi sucks at getting sex right. All gay people live on Makeb. All misogynistic farks live on Gor. Could be worse. Could be packed into one spaceship:

i158.photobucket.com



I recall that the book featured incest, gerontophilia, and pedophilia, but I can't remember if it was all three at the same time.

Aaaand it probably wasn't the best foray into non-kids' books. ``Oh,'' said I as a 13-year-old, ``All grown-up books must have things like anal beads in them.''
 
2013-01-14 02:08:58 PM  

dualplains: "I suggest a new strategy, R2: let the Wookiee top."


Considering R2's relationship with the twink droid - I always pegged R2 as the top.
 
2013-01-14 02:09:18 PM  
Oh, and I think I misread TOR in the headline. Not Tor Books, then?
 
2013-01-14 02:11:58 PM  
Dear International Business Times,

Multiple videos on the same page set to autoplay?

Not cool dudes, not cool at all.

Sincerely,

Humanity
(yes, even that one guy living in a cave eating blind crickets)
 
2013-01-14 02:15:19 PM  
I stopped playing SWTOR because of how hobbled the F2P system was and decided to play KOTOR an KOTOR2 for the first time, still playing 2 and they're farking awesome.
 
2013-01-14 02:16:30 PM  

gingerjet: dualplains: "I suggest a new strategy, R2: let the Wookiee top."

Considering R2's relationship with the twink droid - I always pegged R2 as the top.


He does have those great onboard tools and that shiny round dome. R2's also a slut, hooking up to every socket he can fit his widget into. How many droids can say they've done the Death Star?

/besides your mom
 
2013-01-14 02:17:16 PM  
I still play almost everyday, subscriber since BETA and I still find it fun. I have 16 lvl 50 characters, but unfortunately, missed the pre-order for RotHC
 
2013-01-14 02:17:19 PM  
Lesbonia 69?
 
2013-01-14 02:18:19 PM  
TOR FTP is ok, but damn, if you're trying to get people into the anemic endgame and the barren PVP battlegrounds, don't block to FTP players from even accessing endgame and limit them so harshly on the battlegrounds.

And you have to pay to hide your head item slot. Seriously EA. WTF?

That's my only real complaint, the rest I accept as the cost of playing the game FTP. I'll probably drop the $5 to become a "preferred" player or whatever, just to access my bank vault and open up the send mail option.
 
2013-01-14 02:20:25 PM  

Valacirca: TORtanic never stops being hilariously awful.


I would steak that awesome phrase, but all my friends and coworkers stopped talking about this game months ago.

/even that lame guy in marketing who didn't hit 50 till 9 months after he subbed
//got 3 to 50 and couldn't take the repetition anymore
 
2013-01-14 02:21:49 PM  
Leveled a couple characters to 50 and had a generally good time (though after playing GW2/Tera I need a bit more activity in my MMO combat now). I'll come back if you ever implement some SGR arcs for existing characters since there were some alts I wanted to make, but it sounds like that won't be for a long time, if ever.
 
2013-01-14 02:23:19 PM  

Bondith: .dualplains: LesserEvil: Be careful when entering the Blue Oyster Cantina.... it's hard to refuse when a Wookie in a leather motorcycle cap wants to dance with you.

"I suggest a new strategy, R2: let the Wookiee top."

You came in that thing? You've braver than I thought


www.tshirthell.com
 
2013-01-14 02:24:11 PM  

meat0918: TOR FTP is ok, but damn, if you're trying to get people into the anemic endgame and the barren PVP battlegrounds, don't block to FTP players from even accessing endgame and limit them so harshly on the battlegrounds.

And you have to pay to hide your head item slot. Seriously EA. WTF?

That's my only real complaint, the rest I accept as the cost of playing the game FTP. I'll probably drop the $5 to become a "preferred" player or whatever, just to access my bank vault and open up the send mail option.


In addition to all that, you don't think the missing two ability bars and single crafting profession gimp f2p horribly?

/you're braver than I thought
 
2013-01-14 02:24:18 PM  

Cythraul: Subby, this sounds like more of a limitation of their budget and game design choices than some form of evil discrimination.

They probably don't want to get all the voice actors from the other worlds together to record new dialogue options for the areas of the game that have been available since launch.


So they'll just hire one guy who can do a good lisp?
 
2013-01-14 02:30:27 PM  
"Gay" planet?

Is it called Mantooine?
 
2013-01-14 02:33:35 PM  
I'm in the "Played for 6 months, got to 50, got bored, moved on' boat.

Currently playing a Guardian in GW2 and am finding it REALLY entertaining.  I thought WoW kinda killed it for me for fantasy MMO, but GW2 really has brought me back.

I like the fact that its a lot more open, you have things constantly going on, and you really only have one questline...and that's your story quest.  Everything else is just dinking around at your own pace.
 
2013-01-14 02:35:06 PM  

moothemagiccow: So they'll just hire one guy who can do a good lisp?


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-01-14 02:36:47 PM  
Mikey1969:
if someone chooses to have a gay partner, how does this change the experience for everyone else?

Good
question, Mikey.
 
2013-01-14 02:37:10 PM  
So that's what the blast shield is for...
 
2013-01-14 02:38:18 PM  

dualplains: LesserEvil: Be careful when entering the Blue Oyster Cantina.... it's hard to refuse when a Wookie in a leather motorcycle cap wants to dance with you.

"I suggest a new strategy, R2: let the Wookiee top."


"I'll be careful."  "You'll be dead!"

art.penny-arcade.com
/Oh so hot
//Link to the original
 
2013-01-14 02:41:43 PM  

Current Resident: "Gay" planet?

Is it called Mantooine?


That's sexist. It's Coruscoont
 
2013-01-14 02:44:37 PM  

moothemagiccow: Current Resident: "Gay" planet?

Is it called Mantooine?

That's sexist. It's Coruscoont


Lespin.
 
2013-01-14 02:48:14 PM  

moothemagiccow: Current Resident: "Gay" planet?

Is it called Mantooine?

That's sexist. It's Coruscoont


I sit corrected.

Well done.
 
2013-01-14 02:48:27 PM  
Dumb move on their part.  I mean, I totally get that integrating same sex relationship dialog into all the existing content would be really tough, and I don't blame them for not tackling it, but adding it to a single planet is going to piss some people off way more than just not doing it.
 
2013-01-14 02:49:46 PM  

jimmiejaz: I still play almost everyday, subscriber since BETA and I still find it fun. I have 16 lvl 50 characters, but unfortunately, missed the pre-order for RotHC


I have two and that's too many mouths to feed when it comes to gear.
 
2013-01-14 02:52:34 PM  

UberDave: Ahh yes.  Nothing like auto-play music that you can't control.


They actually have two videos on the page that autoplay AT THE SAME TIME. Had to stop the one up top and scroll far down to find the other one to stop.
 
2013-01-14 02:52:59 PM  
With Makeb, I can use my female Juggernaut to flirt with female NPCs and piss off Malavai Quinn. I'm ok with that.
 
2013-01-14 03:29:53 PM  

cgraves67: Drewdad: New content has same-sex romantic options.

This was the only planet added this time.

This is a non-story.

That's what I'm getting from this as well. New content available in new areas only. Big shocker there. It sounds like someone is beating the scandal drum in the marketing department.

Not that I plan to go out and resubscribe, but now I'm curious about what they are adding to the game. I got about 5 characters to the max level and lost interest because I don't want to spend the entire end game doing the same dungeons and same PvP scenarios over and over.


Google it. The 'same sex marriage' thing is the BIG seller.

They aren't continuing class stories at all. Ever. So, it's just a single planet story you won't have class story on. For 30$. No other content.
 
2013-01-14 03:30:58 PM  

UberDave: Ahh yes.  Nothing like auto-play music that you can't control.


Or 2 simultaneous video feeds with audio. What a shiatty website.

And, seriously people? You're upset because you can't get enough gay in a video game? It's a farking wow clone for fark's sake, pick your battles and more importantly, get a goddamn life.
 
2013-01-14 03:31:46 PM  

andrewagill: Sci-Fi sucks at getting sex right. All gay people live on Makeb. All misogynistic farks live on Gor. Could be worse. Could be packed into one spaceship:

I recall that the book featured incest, gerontophilia, and pedophilia, but I can't remember if it was all three at the same time.

Aaaand it probably wasn't the best foray into non-kids' books. ``Oh,'' said I as a 13-year-old, ``All grown-up books must have things like anal beads in them.''


Rama 2 was the pinnacle of that series. The rest of the books felt like they simply rambling on and on and on...

Not bad though, not bad.
 
2013-01-14 03:38:34 PM  
Phagobah
 
2013-01-14 03:49:37 PM  

Drewdad: New content has same-sex romantic options.

This was the only planet added this time.

This is a non-story.


B-b-b-but EA! AND HAVE YOU SEEN MASS EFFECT 3'S ENDING!!!????!?!?!?!111!!ONE!!!
 
2013-01-14 03:49:42 PM  
A gay planet? Fabulous!
 
2013-01-14 04:00:59 PM  

enforcerpsu: andrewagill: Sci-Fi sucks at getting sex right. All gay people live on Makeb. All misogynistic farks live on Gor. Could be worse. Could be packed into one spaceship:

I recall that the book featured incest, gerontophilia, and pedophilia, but I can't remember if it was all three at the same time.

Aaaand it probably wasn't the best foray into non-kids' books. ``Oh,'' said I as a 13-year-old, ``All grown-up books must have things like anal beads in them.''

Rama 2 was the pinnacle of that series. The rest of the books felt like they simply rambling on and on and on...

Not bad though, not bad.


Indeed, Rama 2 was definitely the best. It also made a pretty awesome video game. Taught me to count in hex and octal, which is obviously super important when you're 8 or 9 years old.
 
2013-01-14 04:18:06 PM  

Onyx Serpent: enforcerpsu: andrewagill: Sci-Fi sucks at getting sex right. All gay people live on Makeb. All misogynistic farks live on Gor. Could be worse. Could be packed into one spaceship:

I recall that the book featured incest, gerontophilia, and pedophilia, but I can't remember if it was all three at the same time.

Aaaand it probably wasn't the best foray into non-kids' books. ``Oh,'' said I as a 13-year-old, ``All grown-up books must have things like anal beads in them.''

Rama 2 was the pinnacle of that series. The rest of the books felt like they simply rambling on and on and on...

Not bad though, not bad.

Indeed, Rama 2 was definitely the best. It also made a pretty awesome video game. Taught me to count in hex and octal, which is obviously super important when you're 8 or 9 years old.


RWR and Rama 2 had the Alien/Aliens thing going on - both great books that approached the subject completely differently.

Garden of Rama was kind of a mess and Rama Revealed........ fark you Gentry Lee, fark you. I can deal with Nicole dying at the end, but the explanation at the end is literally the worst story ending of all times OF ALL TIMES (thanks Morbo)

Oh hell, I'll spoil it for everyone that hasn't read it. The massive Raman infrastructure is put there by God to measure and document his/her creation. Seriously.... fark you Gentry Lee.
 
2013-01-14 04:21:49 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: People still play SW:TOR? I foolishly pre-ordered it and while it was fun for a while it got old 6 months after launch and it was dying already.


They shouldn't have made it an mmo. A new kotor franchise or series would have been fine by me!
 
2013-01-14 04:27:01 PM  
Oh, and to stay on topic - Bioware is lying like the EA-owned dogs that they now are.

Bioware has had gay romances since KotOR / Jade Empire up through all the Mass Effects and both Dragon Ages. And it just slipped their mind that they didn't include something that they had put into every game they have launched in the last nine years? BS. They kept it out because they didn't want any negative PR like they got in the original Mass Effect.
 
2013-01-14 04:27:55 PM  
Pull out Wedge, you can't do any more good back there!
 
2013-01-14 04:38:25 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Dingleberry Dickwad: People still play SW:TOR? I foolishly pre-ordered it and while it was fun for a while it got old 6 months after launch and it was dying already.

They shouldn't have made it an mmo. A new kotor franchise or series would have been fine by me!


They decided that this MMO jazz could make them more money.

And then they blastered their load on shiat that makes single player games good but utterly fails in an MMO setting (story and VA, etc) while making a shiatty wow clone from 5 years ago with mechanics that had been a proven failure 5 years ago.
 
2013-01-14 04:39:42 PM  

dualplains: LesserEvil: Be careful when entering the Blue Oyster Cantina.... it's hard to refuse when a Wookie in a leather motorcycle cap wants to dance with you.

"I suggest a new strategy, R2: let the Wookiee top."


As evidenced in Return of the Jedi, R2 is an expert at playing "hide the saber"
 
2013-01-14 04:45:24 PM  
I'm a big geek, but honestly... if you're getting "married" in online games, you're probably a loser. Gay or straight.
 
2013-01-14 04:49:10 PM  

Current Resident: "Gay" planet?

Is it called Mantooine?


I had to check...

http://www.cuswe.org/newdescr.asp?search=15763

"A colony planet located in the Atrivis Sector, in the Outer Rim Territories"
 
2013-01-14 04:51:02 PM  

dualplains: Dingleberry Dickwad: People still play SW:TOR? I foolishly pre-ordered it and while it was fun for a while it got old 6 months after launch and it was dying already.

I still play it. I love the character/story driven aspect to it. I've got NO interest in the MMO part, though.


Same here. Really, it's more of a single-player game with some MMO stuff grafted onto it...

/ really like the Imperial Agent storyline, so far...
 
2013-01-14 04:57:52 PM  
WoW has lots of gay characters. We call them Blood Elves.
 
2013-01-14 05:19:02 PM  
The Top Ten Sexually Suggestive Lines
in the Star Wars Trilogy

Star Wars

10. "Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell!"
9. "Luke, at that speed do you think you'll be able to pull out in time?"
8. "Put that thing away before you get us all killed."
7. "You've got something jammed in here real good."
6. "Aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper?"
5. "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought."
4. "Sorry about the mess..."
3. "Look at the size of that thing!"
2. "Curse my metal body, I wasn't fast enough!"
1. "She may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts, kid."

The Empire Strikes Back

10. "I thought that hairy beast would be the end of me."
9. "Size matters not. Judge me by my size, do you?"
8. "There's an awful lot of moisture in here."
7. "But now we must eat. Come, good food, come..."
6. "That's okay, I'd like to keep it on manual control for a while."
5. "Control, control! You must learn control!"
4. "Hurry up, golden-rod..."
3. "I must've hit it pretty close to the mark to get her all riled up like that, huh kid?"
2. "Possible he came in through the south entrance."
1. "And I thought they smelled bad on the outside!"

Return of the Jedi

10. "Hey, point that thing someplace else."
9. "I look forward to completing your training. In time you will call me master."
8. "I never knew I had it in me."
7. "There is good in him, I've felt it."
6. "Grab me, Chewie. I'm slipping -- hold on. Grab it, almost... you almost got it. Gently now, all right, easy, easy, hold me Chewie."
5. "Hey, Luke, thanks for coming after me -- now I owe you one."
4. "Back door, huh? Good idea!"
3. "She's gonna blow!"
2. "I think you'll fit in nicely."
1. "Rise, my friend."

Is this the best of them all?...

"Wedge! Pull out! You're not doing any good back there!"
 
2013-01-14 05:26:58 PM  
Anyone want to have a light saber fight?
 
2013-01-14 05:38:21 PM  
The funny thing is the forum poster responsible for the `ruining the game` quote is a troll who admitted he was just shiat-stirring later on in that same thread.

Way to cherrypick the most alarmist quote without regard to the source, author of TFA...
 
2013-01-14 05:41:07 PM  

Tali: The funny thing is the forum poster responsible for the `ruining the game` quote is a troll who admitted he was just shiat-stirring later on in that same thread.

Way to cherrypick the most alarmist quote without regard to the source, author of TFA...


i2.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-14 05:42:40 PM  
Rise of the Hutt Butt Cartel

/first?
 
2013-01-14 06:09:57 PM  
TOR's biggest problem is trying to be a single player story driven game and an MMO at the same time, failing at both. The storyline can't make any real changes to the environment because its an MMO, and the focus on storylines and voice acting means content is severely lacking. It would have been better they had made a proper KOTOR 3 for storyline (plus an Imperial Agent spinoff because it's easily the best storyline of any class in the game) and a separate TOR MMO that didn't try to be so class story driven.

Forbidden Doughnut:

/ really like the Imperial Agent storyline, so far...

If you've been using Kaliyo exclusively, prepare to get screwed at the end of Voss. Without giving away too much of the story, you don't have access to her for most of Corellia, meaning you have to gear up a second companion to use, and by the time you get her back, she's undergeared and you have to gear her up if you want to use her again.  It would have worked well in a single player game, but as an MMO, it's basically just randomly taking a bunch of gear away from you for no good reason.
 
2013-01-14 06:28:13 PM  
I'm offended there are no native inupiat eskimo persons in the game. farking racists.
 
2013-01-14 06:35:00 PM  

uknesvuinng: TOR's biggest problem is trying to be a single player story driven game and an MMO at the same time, failing at both. The storyline can't make any real changes to the environment because its an MMO, and the focus on storylines and voice acting means content is severely lacking. It would have been better they had made a proper KOTOR 3 for storyline


For a single player game it was pretty good. PvP was fun but had some serious balance issues. The problem was the MMO elements... The game just got so bogged down killing 10 of this or collecting 12 of these... and you couldn't even skip a planet because they were so stingy on xp. And this really really killed replayability for me. Everyone gets the same sidequests and you really can't skip them without being underleveled.
 
2013-01-14 06:53:09 PM  
Clearly this will help the game from sliding completely into the shiatter.
 
2013-01-14 07:05:56 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: ... and you couldn't even skip a planet because they were so stingy on xp. And this really really killed replayability for me. Everyone gets the same sidequests and you really can't skip them without being underleveled.


The XP boosting buffs that they added in kind of help to alleviate those problems, and because they're toss-ins to the packs that people buy to get "ultra-rate cosmetic items", there are a ton of them usually on the auction house for fairly reasonable prices (in credits, not dollars).

I'm mainly still playing for the RP, and on those servers the single-player stories are largely ignored anyways. You don't really need Bioware to put in same-sex relationships when you can run around and find whatever combination of genders and/or species you want to engage in aggressive diplomacy with.
 
2013-01-14 07:18:57 PM  
First try making the game not completely suck.
 
2013-01-14 07:20:48 PM  
Hmm pretty sure this is how it went down.

People at the top/PR: Same sex relationships...
Developers: Here would be the bill.
People at the top/PR: Only on new content.


Sounds to me like the talking heads forgot to ask the people that do the actual work the important question of "is this possible."


I can't really fault them for not doing it over the whole thing or from the get go. The fact is they are out there to make money it is not worth anything for them to implement it everywhere. It seems easy on paper, it is just a few dialog changes here and there. Well sure until you consider that would be essentially 16 (more actually due to companions but lets go with 16) different settings you have to write in, plus you have to do the voicing for all of them as well. It simply is not possible.

Focusing on other things related to TOR. I have enjoyed the time I spent playing it. I just want to say this to everyone that is complaining about F2P. IT IS FARKING FREE. Do you know where you can get something as good as SW:TOR for free even with the inconveniences (incentives to pay)? Oh right NO WHERE.

I played through it once on F2P was it annoying? A little, mostly because they dangle all of the "You could have this if you pay" in front of you. I would rank it lower than the KOTOR games but not far below them, there were periods where I enjoyed SW:TOR more than either KOTOR game. The fact remained though that I paid nothing for SW:TOR and because of that I would say that it was a superior game to either KOTOR. After that play through I had three options.

1. Walk away I would have been satisfied with it, sure I did not spend as much time playing it as some other games, but I also paid money for those other games, in some cases a lot of money.
2. Play through on F2P.
3. Pay to play.

It took me a month and a half of casual play to reach 50. I am satisfied with that. I have nothing but my own time to lose on this second play through. If I still enjoy the game at that point I will likely pay for one or two months of game time as I will have a bunch of free time to spare in April and May and play through some of the other story lines that I would be interested in.

The fact remains I got a month and a half worth of entertainment (probably about two hours a day (some days more or way more (20" of snow is a good way to free up time, as is getting sick over Christmas/New Years), some days less or none.)) So 90 hours worth of entertainment for...free. There have been games I have paid way more than nothing and gotten less entertainment from.


Bottom line for $0 the game is worth it. The 90 hours worth of entertainment I got for $0 was worth it and far more than other things I have paid for. The game as a whole is far from flawless and F2P even more so, it is still a good and enjoyable game, more so if you enjoy Star Wars.


It is a shame that everyone is so greedy now, you get something for free but still want more and complain about what you get. Fark off you people are annoying, more annoying that the F2P limitations that SWTOR put in place. Annoying enough that I am complaining about you, something I never did in a month and a half of pay $0 to play SWTOR.
 
2013-01-14 07:24:01 PM  

SultanofSchwing: Current Resident: "Gay" planet?

Is it called Mantooine?

I had to check...

http://www.cuswe.org/newdescr.asp?search=15763

"A colony planet located in the Atrivis Sector, in the Outer Rim Territories"


...

huh
 
2013-01-14 07:37:32 PM  

madgonad: Onyx Serpent: enforcerpsu: andrewagill: Sci-Fi sucks at getting sex right. All gay people live on Makeb. All misogynistic farks live on Gor. Could be worse. Could be packed into one spaceship:

I recall that the book featured incest, gerontophilia, and pedophilia, but I can't remember if it was all three at the same time.

Aaaand it probably wasn't the best foray into non-kids' books. ``Oh,'' said I as a 13-year-old, ``All grown-up books must have things like anal beads in them.''

Rama 2 was the pinnacle of that series. The rest of the books felt like they simply rambling on and on and on...

Not bad though, not bad.

Indeed, Rama 2 was definitely the best. It also made a pretty awesome video game. Taught me to count in hex and octal, which is obviously super important when you're 8 or 9 years old.

RWR and Rama 2 had the Alien/Aliens thing going on - both great books that approached the subject completely differently.

Garden of Rama was kind of a mess and Rama Revealed........ fark you Gentry Lee, fark you. I can deal with Nicole dying at the end, but the explanation at the end is literally the worst story ending of all times OF ALL TIMES (thanks Morbo)

Oh hell, I'll spoil it for everyone that hasn't read it. The massive Raman infrastructure is put there by God to measure and document his/her creation. Seriously.... fark you Gentry Lee.


You know, when I was 10 years old (or so) when I read it I never exactly realized that was the ending. It never made sense in my head because reading everything after rama 2 was so long, wordy and confusing...to a 10 year old.

I'm going to go back and wiki them so my 32 year old self understands what happened.
 
2013-01-14 07:43:07 PM  

Lligeret: Hmm pretty sure this is how it went down.

People at the top/PR: Same sex relationships...
Developers: Here would be the bill.
People at the top/PR: Only on new content.


Sounds to me like the talking heads forgot to ask the people that do the actual work the important question of "is this possible."


I can't really fault them for not doing it over the whole thing or from the get go. The fact is they are out there to make money it is not worth anything for them to implement it everywhere. It seems easy on paper, it is just a few dialog changes here and there. Well sure until you consider that would be essentially 16 (more actually due to companions but lets go with 16) different settings you have to write in, plus you have to do the voicing for all of them as well. It simply is not possible.

Focusing on other things related to TOR. I have enjoyed the time I spent playing it. I just want to say this to everyone that is complaining about F2P. IT IS FARKING FREE. Do you know where you can get something as good as SW:TOR for free even with the inconveniences (incentives to pay)? Oh right NO WHERE.

I played through it once on F2P was it annoying? A little, mostly because they dangle all of the "You could have this if you pay" in front of you. I would rank it lower than the KOTOR games but not far below them, there were periods where I enjoyed SW:TOR more than either KOTOR game. The fact remained though that I paid nothing for SW:TOR and because of that I would say that it was a superior game to either KOTOR. After that play through I had three options.

1. Walk away I would have been satisfied with it, sure I did not spend as much time playing it as some other games, but I also paid money for those other games, in some cases a lot of money.
2. Play through on F2P.
3. Pay to play.

It took me a month and a half of casual play to reach 50. I am satisfied with that. I have nothing but my own time to lose on this second play through. If I still enjoy the game at that point I will likely pay for one or two months of game time as I will have a bunch of free time to spare in April and May and play through some of the other story lines that I would be interested in.

The fact remains I got a month and a half worth of entertainment (probably about two hours a day (some days more or way more (20" of snow is a good way to free up time, as is getting sick over Christmas/New Years), some days less or none.)) So 90 hours worth of entertainment for...free. There have been games I have paid way more than nothing and gotten less entertainment from.


Bottom line for $0 the game is worth it. The 90 hours worth of entertainment I got for $0 was worth it and far more than other things I have paid for. The game as a whole is far from flawless and F2P even more so, it is still a good and enjoyable game, more so if you enjoy Star Wars.


It is a shame that everyone is so greedy now, you get something for free but still want more and complain about what you get. Fark off you people are annoying, more annoying that the F2P limitations that SWTOR put in place. Annoying enough that I am complaining about you, something I never did in a month and a half of pay $0 to play SWTOR.


I just want to thank you for stating exactly how I feel about the whole thing but in much better terms than I could.

The only reason the "free" version of this game gets so much flak is because sub people who moved to F2P know what they had and don't understand why they are expected to pay for it.

The bottom line is this: for ZERO dollars you can enjoy TOR main story arch on at least 2 characters. There barriers may seem silly but none of them affect the level 1-50 story content. The only time the free restrictions become an issue is when a person wants to start raiding or pvp. If you are going to play that much, PAY the sub fee!
 
2013-01-14 07:44:14 PM  
Some dumb grammatical mistakes in that. I am on my phone...
 
BHK
2013-01-14 07:47:55 PM  
I'm in my 40's. In my extended family I have two gay cousins, both decades older than I. One of them has been with the same partner since I was a teenager. I don't recall either of my relatives acting in a way that could be considered threatening to families, unless the association is somehow threatening. Perhaps I was not educated properly by my parents to see what are apparently vast differences between traditional and same sex relationships and so I never gave it any thought at family events. Can someone explain to me how SGR ruins the family nature of the game when compared to all the actions that hetero relationships can take within the game?
 
2013-01-14 07:54:54 PM  

enforcerpsu:
You know, when I was 10 years old (or so) when I read it I never exactly realized that was the ending. It never made sense in my head because reading everything after rama 2 was so long, wordy and confusing...to a 10 year old.

I'm going to go back and wiki them so my 32 year old self understands what happened.


Nothing happened. The first Rama craft entered the solar system, was explored by the crew of a ship from Earth, who then departed before Rama slingshotted around the sun and headed off into the depths of space. The end. The Ramans doing everything in threes applied only to the design of the ship, not the number of ships made.

Gentry Lee never happened.

/if I hated it so much, why did I read the entire thing?
//Because masochism
 
2013-01-14 08:34:45 PM  

cretinbob: Clearly this will help the game from sliding completely into the shiatter.


i164.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-14 08:42:37 PM  

enforcerpsu: You know, when I was 10 years old (or so) when I read it I never exactly realized that was the ending. It never made sense in my head because reading everything after rama 2 was so long, wordy and confusing...to a 10 year old.


If you're 32 now, you would have been 13 when Rama Revealed came out. Which is coincidentally the same age I was when I read it. If you give it a read again, I think the biggest thing you'll notice will be the same thing I did. Weird sex isn't that unusual for a book, but you will probably think to yourself, ``I read this when I was *how* old?''

/I think the incest was gone by this book
//But the pedophilia was still there.
 
2013-01-14 08:42:54 PM  

Bondith: enforcerpsu:
You know, when I was 10 years old (or so) when I read it I never exactly realized that was the ending. It never made sense in my head because reading everything after rama 2 was so long, wordy and confusing...to a 10 year old.

I'm going to go back and wiki them so my 32 year old self understands what happened.

Nothing happened. The first Rama craft entered the solar system, was explored by the crew of a ship from Earth, who then departed before Rama slingshotted around the sun and headed off into the depths of space. The end. The Ramans doing everything in threes applied only to the design of the ship, not the number of ships made.

Gentry Lee never happened.

/if I hated it so much, why did I read the entire thing?
//Because masochism


Well...Thanks! At least rama I and rama II were good reads. Yeah..me too.
 
2013-01-14 08:46:05 PM  

KingsleyZisou: meat0918: TOR FTP is ok, but damn, if you're trying to get people into the anemic endgame and the barren PVP battlegrounds, don't block to FTP players from even accessing endgame and limit them so harshly on the battlegrounds.

And you have to pay to hide your head item slot. Seriously EA. WTF?

That's my only real complaint, the rest I accept as the cost of playing the game FTP. I'll probably drop the $5 to become a "preferred" player or whatever, just to access my bank vault and open up the send mail option.

In addition to all that, you don't think the missing two ability bars and single crafting profession gimp f2p horribly?

/you're braver than I thought


Actually, two issues.

goddamn the missing ability bars makes it hard to tank.
 
2013-01-14 08:59:44 PM  
Fun fact: Hutts are hermaphroditic, like snails and slugs. When two of them get Hutt and heavy, one, the other, or both can end up pregnant depending on the desires of the individual. Also at the whims of the individual Hutt is whether they wish to be referred to as male or female while with Huttling, for most it's no big deal which is used.

That baby Hutt that Jabba had in the Clone Wars movie? That was his, as in "he got pregnant and birthed it". Jabba also had male pleasure slaves in his harem (no, that really fat dancer wasn't male, though a guy played her. She's from a species that lives on a desert planet and stores water in their bodies, they swell when they're full of water and grow slender as they use it. The females of her species also have six breasts and bear multiple kids with each birth).
 
2013-01-14 09:44:26 PM  

enforcerpsu: You know, when I was 10 years old (or so) when I read it I never exactly realized that was the ending. It never made sense in my head because reading everything after rama 2 was so long, wordy and confusing...to a 10 year old.

I'm going to go back and wiki them so my 32 year old self understands what happened.


I totally understand. I recall re-reading several of the pages at the end when Nicole was in the memory node and when she was visiting the 4-5 generations of her progeny. It was such a black/white + deux ex machina ending. The Raman intelligence as God was just totally stupid and creating what was really a 'heaven' ending.

Oh, and having Wakefield die in a The Stand-type death was just pathetic (but it did serve to simplify the ending). It was also lame to play humanity off as total losers and sociopaths.
 
2013-01-14 10:09:39 PM  

Cythraul: Subby, this sounds like more of a limitation of their budget and game design choices than some form of evil discrimination.

They probably don't want to get all the voice actors from the other worlds together to record new dialogue options for the areas of the game that have been available since launch.


Which is farking hilarious considering this is reportedly the most expensive game in history.
 
2013-01-14 10:27:26 PM  
I don't understand what's so difficult about implementing this. If the game already allows "relationships" and "flirtatious dialog" between characters, then it would seem all they would really have to do is remove whatever restrictions they may have added that restricts these options to only opposite character genders.
Then again, I really don't know how they coded these character interactions, and I have seen way too much badly done code in my time. Maybe it's a huge mess.
 
2013-01-14 10:44:32 PM  

ReverendJasen: I don't understand what's so difficult about implementing this. If the game already allows "relationships" and "flirtatious dialog" between characters, then it would seem all they would really have to do is remove whatever restrictions they may have added that restricts these options to only opposite character genders.
Then again, I really don't know how they coded these character interactions, and I have seen way too much badly done code in my time. Maybe it's a huge mess.


It's not a 'difficulty' factor, it's a 'need a reason to make people pay for this crap' factor.

And that's about all they have at this point.
 
2013-01-14 11:08:05 PM  

ReverendJasen: I don't understand what's so difficult about implementing this. If the game already allows "relationships" and "flirtatious dialog" between characters, then it would seem all they would really have to do is remove whatever restrictions they may have added that restricts these options to only opposite character genders.
Then again, I really don't know how they coded these character interactions, and I have seen way too much badly done code in my time. Maybe it's a huge mess.


There are only flirt options in certain cinversations with certain NPCs. And since every possible interaction with any NPC has its own specific matching voiceovers and often animation as well, they'd have to go back and add new voice acting and animations for a whoooooole bunch of conversations with a whoooooole bunch of people. And in the case of companion characters, they'd have to modify quest lines for that companion to account for the relationship in a manner sufficiently similar to the existing 'love interest'-available companions.

So yes, there really would be an insanely huge amount of work involved - and Bioware said pretty much from the start that adding it to the existing characters/companions was such a huge project that it was likely to only happen with new characters in future content. Personally, I'm OK with this being a feature included just with new NPCs (and dare we hope, maybe a new companion character or two?) in the expansion. Hell, if they actually have full-on same-gender romance storylines in the new content, I might just try them out just to explore the stories.

All in all the author of TFA is wringing his hands trolling for LGBT community outrage (and quoted at least one well-known Bioware forums troll in his article) over a solution anyone who's paid attention has always known was the most likely way it was going to work out.
 
2013-01-14 11:16:39 PM  

dualplains: LesserEvil: Be careful when entering the Blue Oyster Cantina.... it's hard to refuse when a Wookie in a leather motorcycle cap wants to dance with you.

"I suggest a new strategy, R2: let the Wookiee top."


Let the wookie in?
 
2013-01-15 04:55:21 AM  

Valacirca: TORtanic never stops being hilariously awful.


^
 
2013-01-15 07:03:13 AM  
They should name it Transsexual . It would be ruled by a man woman thing sweet transvestite in a corset.
 
2013-01-15 08:20:23 AM  

dualplains: Dingleberry Dickwad: People still play SW:TOR? I foolishly pre-ordered it and while it was fun for a while it got old 6 months after launch and it was dying already.

I still play it. I love the character/story driven aspect to it. I've got NO interest in the MMO part, though.



That's cool. Neither does BioWare.
 
2013-01-16 01:24:26 AM  

enforcerpsu: The bottom line is this: for ZERO dollars you can enjoy TOR main story arch on at least 2 characters.


They changed it to two per server, which I think was the original intention anyway. I think the two toon total was a glitch.
 
2013-01-17 03:26:55 AM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: People still play SW:TOR? I foolishly pre-ordered it and while it was fun for a while it got old 6 months after launch and it was dying already.


This.
I tried so hard to like this game, being a SW fan. The trooper route was fun but I think I barely hit the 30s before I got bored. Same thing with the Jedi route.
 
2013-01-17 09:25:47 AM  

Hawnkee: They should name it Transsexual Trandoshan. It would be ruled by a man woman thing sweet transvestite Trandoshan in a corset.

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