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(The Day)   A month after the shooting, residents of Newtown struggle to decide what exactly to do with Sandy Hook Elementary School   (theday.com) divider line 338
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2013-01-14 12:26:00 PM  
The Sandy Hook Center for Second Amendment Rights
 
2013-01-14 12:27:33 PM  
Airsoft arena?
 
2013-01-14 12:31:30 PM  
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2013-01-14 12:32:19 PM  
Clean it.
Paint it.
Get on with it.
 
2013-01-14 12:33:25 PM  

hdhale: hockeychick: GORDON: colinspooky: Keep it going just as was to show they are not going to be beaten by just one loon

Honor it. Memorialize it. And fill it with children again so the hallways echo with laughter instead of sorrow.

This. So much this.

Or erase it and put in its place a children's park and learning center. A building with sections shut off forever (as with Columbine apparently) isn't a school, it's a place waiting for the "Ghost Adventures" crew to come set up an overnight vigil on, creeping out future generations who will wonder why the whole place wasn't bulldozed.


From my understanding (reading Dave Cullen's book, Columbine) is that the school remodeled, moved, and reconfigured some of the bad areas. Maybe a classroom or two isn't used anymore (one of the teachers bled out in one of the classes), but I can't remember if it was ever addressed in that particular book. However, the the major areas (library, commons, school entrance) were changed significantly.
 
2013-01-14 12:34:56 PM  
Good God there are a lot of trolls in here.

But, to be perfectly clear: our town, our kids' school, Fark You, we'll decide.
 
2013-01-14 12:36:38 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Community center.

They apparently have another school that the kids are already attending, so "schools are expensive to build" is not an issue it would seem.  Fix it up, leave certain areas as a memorial like Columbine has done, and then have it as a place that can bring the community together.

Half of my time in HS was spent in a math/science program in a former school that had been turned into a 'community building' (not for this reason, just because our school district was losing kids like crazy)... so on top of the math/science program there were also ESL classes, job fairs, robot building competitions, community theater, etc.  And if it needs to turn into a school again, wait until these kids are aged out.

/not my place to decide anyway, just my two cents


Similar situation where I grew up in Kalmazoo, although the school that became the math/science building was a former high school that had been replaced.

Closer to where I grew up, a wealthy family had donated the land for building a new high school, as well as a million dollars to get started .. so they built a new high school, converted the old high school to an elementary school, and bulldozed the elementary that I went to .. which was probably fair to do considering that it had originally been 3 giant buildings that were the entire school system for the community, built back in the 40's, and two of the buildings were in terrible disrepair, and the third one needed more in renovation costs than building the new school, just to patch up the floors/ceilings/walls/electrical.

Sometimes old is good, sometimes old is just old.
 
2013-01-14 12:39:07 PM  
America. Home of the super pussies.

It's a school. Get back to schooling.
 
2013-01-14 12:39:29 PM  

FormlessOne: nekom: It's a tough call.  All I can really say is it's entirely their business what they decide to do with it.

I hope it remains Sandy Hook Elementary School, as is, and that the community doesn't turn it into anything other than a demonstration that a single crazed individual can't destroy what took them so long to build. Open the doors, talk to the kids, get back to teaching, and continue forward.


This, this and this.
 
2013-01-14 12:39:55 PM  
I'm with the keep it as a school, but how bout replace the glass with bullet proof glass. Honestly, this school may of been the best self-protected school in the nation. Aside from nutzos that think everyone should be fully armed at all times, they a good communicaiton system in place, and non-students and stuff were locked out once school started. The fact that the shooter had to blast the door open, plus the willingness of the Principle to face the shooter head on, helped saved countless lives. I know it's not something you think about when you're dealing with murdered children, but it could of been a lot worse. Imagine if the shooter was able to enter the school unnoticed until he reached his first classroom?
 
2013-01-14 12:44:00 PM  

unLurked: Good God there are a lot of trolls in here.

But, to be perfectly clear: our town, our kids' school, Fark You, we'll decide.



Fund reconstruction 100% locally and most people will be happy to let you.
 
2013-01-14 12:44:33 PM  
I say re-open the school as-is, allow the students who don't want to return to transfer elsewhere, and let the returning students decide if/how to honor their fallen classmates. Getting students involved in creating a memorial garden or something could go a long way towards healing.
 
2013-01-14 12:45:11 PM  

unLurked: Good God there are a lot of trolls in here.

But, to be perfectly clear: our town, our kids' school, Fark You, we'll decide.


waaaaa

shut up. You want the wolds sympathy, support and outrage you damn well better welcome the worlds opinion on the matter to.
 
2013-01-14 12:45:46 PM  
When a Starfleet cadet was killed during a training flight shortly before graduation, there was talk that they should postpone the commencement activities. But ultimately they decided that it was important to teach the students that life must go on in spite of tragedy.

Keep the school as is.
 
2013-01-14 12:48:54 PM  

ImRonBurgundy: Maybe one of those KFC/Taco Bell/Pizza Huts. If there is enough room, add an A&W and Long John Silvers.


Add a comic and book shop, a movie theater complex, a cos-play and Japanese culture store, a gaming store, toy shop and a cafe where you can gather with friends to sit and play table top games and you have your first ever mega-geek mall.
 
2013-01-14 12:49:06 PM  

kvinesknows: shut up. You want the wolds sympathy, support and outrage you damn well better welcome the worlds opinion on the matter to.


This as well.
 
2013-01-14 12:49:32 PM  
I vote for "If you're not from Newtown, stfu." as what they do with the building.
 
2013-01-14 12:50:07 PM  
Or we make it Charlton Heston's Tomb.
 
2013-01-14 12:50:16 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: I vote for "If you're not from Newtown, stfu." as what they do with the building.


Well, I vote that they make it the world's premier full-nude gentlemen's cabaret, so fark you.
 
2013-01-14 12:54:18 PM  
It's only money right, tear it down and build another one that serves the exact same purpose in it's place...
 
2013-01-14 12:56:07 PM  
Turn it into the Joe Biden Vice Presidential Library and Hair Restorium.
 
2013-01-14 12:56:26 PM  
There are a lot of people who don't want to be in a place where someone else died violently. Consider the problems with selling a house when a murder or suicide has taken place there. So there's that in favor of replacing the school with something else.

On the other hand, there's the question of where we draw the line. If we tear down a school where 26 people were murdered, how about 25? 20? 15? 10? 5? 2? Is just one murder sufficient? If not, why is one person's life not important enough but some other number is? This winds up opening up a very large and very, very squirmy can of worms.

All in all, I'm leaning to the "clean it up and keep using it" approach, though allowing anyone who wants to transfer elsewhere to do so.
 
2013-01-14 12:57:39 PM  

give me doughnuts: How about using it as a school?

Is Columbine High still a school? How about Virginia Tech?


Virginia Tech hasn't been a high school for several decades...
 
2013-01-14 12:57:55 PM  

kvinesknows: unLurked: Good God there are a lot of trolls in here.

But, to be perfectly clear: our town, our kids' school, Fark You, we'll decide.

waaaaa

shut up. You want the wolds sympathy, support and outrage you damn well better welcome the worlds opinion on the matter to.


So, just to be clear, you think that by being a sane human being and having compassion for murdered innocents, you think you should have a say in how the community deals with both the emotional and logistical responses to that tragedy. Would you like to some down and tell the counselors how to schedule their time, too, or make a suggestion as to which churches should have spaghetti dinners versus Sunday brunches?
 
2013-01-14 12:59:36 PM  

unLurked: kvinesknows: unLurked: Good God there are a lot of trolls in here.

But, to be perfectly clear: our town, our kids' school, Fark You, we'll decide.

waaaaa

shut up. You want the wolds sympathy, support and outrage you damn well better welcome the worlds opinion on the matter to.

So, just to be clear, you think that by being a sane human being and having compassion for murdered innocents, you think you should have a say in how the community deals with both the emotional and logistical responses to that tragedy. Would you like to some down and tell the counselors how to schedule their time, too, or make a suggestion as to which churches should have spaghetti dinners versus Sunday brunches?


All churches should have pancake breakfasts, you Protestant heathen.
 
2013-01-14 12:59:54 PM  
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Holy Fark that's a lot bigger than I thought it was.

Second thought there is no way you bulldoze that thing.

Training grounds or reopen

CSB time:

You know what my son's elementary schools answer to Sandy Hook? We now have to log in on a computer to walk our kids to class. That's a joke. They already remodeled the school so that you have to walk directly though the admin office/waiting area to get into the school, nice thought but that just means they are the first to get a bullet. I guess that give the kids more time to get out. Before Sandy Hook I asked the Principal "great so everyone has to walk though here. So what's stopping me from going right though" I'm really active at the school and she knows me, so she knew it wasn't a threat it was just an honest question her answer was "nothing, this just give 911 more time to get someone here". FYI they had an altercation there last year (swear it had nothing to do with me) and took the police over thirty minutes to get there. I'm sure it would have been faster if they said shots fired but still violence at the school and I could have gotten a pizza faster?? Not good enough. I'm thinking they need the same system jewelery store have. Make them buzz in
 
2013-01-14 01:01:24 PM  

Dr._Michael_Hfuhruhurr: America. Home of the super pussies.

It's a school. Get back to schooling.


AMEN.
 
2013-01-14 01:01:49 PM  

unLurked: So, just to be clear, you think that by being a sane human being and having compassion for murdered innocents, you think you should have a say in how the community deals with both the emotional and logistical responses to that tragedy.



How are any of us demanding a say? You came here to read people's opinions, just like the rest of us have to put up with every last tearful interview of the barely-involved every time we turn on the news. Grow some thicker skin.
 
2013-01-14 01:06:01 PM  
What happened to America? When did we start running away from our own ugliness?

"Bulldoze it." How asinine.

Clean it up. Paint it. Send them back to school.

Stop raising wimps.
 
2013-01-14 01:09:42 PM  

Thunderpipes: Waste of a perfectly good school, massive waste of taxpayer dollars if they don't keep using it.

Kids are resilient, much more than we let them be in the media.


Yeah, this is my leaning. It's a waste of tens of million dollars of taxpayer money if they tear it down.
 
2013-01-14 01:09:44 PM  
I am a little confused as to how that dude got in to the school so easily to start with.
They say that a new security system had been put in place so that you have to be buzzed in. Yet, it seems all this guy had to do was fire a couple of shots at a glass door and it shattered. Voila. Instant entry. That seems like pretty shoddy security to me.

My kid's school has that same "buzz-in" system (and so does the school my wife works at). And the doors are solid steel with a little, thin window, with wire inside. So there is pretty much no way to force entry into that building.

In other words... I'm sure that hindsight is 20/20, so they know where the mistakes were made in that construction. Why did it take something like last month's thingy to bring attention to it?
 
2013-01-14 01:11:30 PM  

SimKey: What happened to America? When did we start running away from our own ugliness?


When did that start?! Normally we give it a tv show.

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2013-01-14 01:13:38 PM  
Does Newtown have a Super Walmart? They already build stores on sacred Indian burial grounds, so they probably wouldn't mind.
 
2013-01-14 01:16:39 PM  

SimKey: Clean it up. Paint it. Send them back to school.


Not red, though.
 
2013-01-14 01:16:46 PM  

durbnpoisn: I am a little confused as to how that dude got in to the school so easily to start with.
They say that a new security system had been put in place so that you have to be buzzed in. Yet, it seems all this guy had to do was fire a couple of shots at a glass door and it shattered. Voila. Instant entry. That seems like pretty shoddy security to me.

My kid's school has that same "buzz-in" system (and so does the school my wife works at). And the doors are solid steel with a little, thin window, with wire inside. So there is pretty much no way to force entry into that building.

In other words... I'm sure that hindsight is 20/20, so they know where the mistakes were made in that construction. Why did it take something like last month's thingy to bring attention to it?


1) It can't happen here mentality. They just need to put on a good show, we won't really need it
2) Start pointing out all the weaknesses in a school's security and people will start looking at you as a nut. Like I said before, I knew the Principal and she knew me, I was still nervous about bring it up.
 
2013-01-14 01:17:50 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: SimKey: What happened to America? When did we start running away from our own ugliness?

When did that start?! Normally we give it a tv show.


I don't watch that crap.

My point is, in the past, we faced adversity head-on and were stronger because we did so. That is the way to raise a child. Not all this asinine grief counseling crap and talk of razing a perfectly good school.

We're raising generations of pussies. No wonder America is dying. The minute somebody has a hangnail they fly the white flag.
 
2013-01-14 01:20:49 PM  

valar_morghulis: Wangiss: valar_morghulis: mltain: I say they need to get over themselves, people in the middle east go through worse on a weekly or even daily basis.

I know, right? All those parents, friends and loved ones grieving their massacred babies need to get over themselves because of the Middle East. Totes. Glad you're the voice of reason here. What would we do without you?

/kill yourself

And yet you managed to become a messedup person despite not being involved in a mass murder. Funny how things work out.

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But thanks for playing.


Whoops, I meant "kill yourself."
Sorry I was rude.
 
2013-01-14 01:21:24 PM  
Vagina Americans advocate discarding the buildings as a symbolic analogy to discarding our civil liberties.
 
2013-01-14 01:22:13 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: durbnpoisn: I am a little confused as to how that dude got in to the school so easily to start with.
They say that a new security system had been put in place so that you have to be buzzed in. Yet, it seems all this guy had to do was fire a couple of shots at a glass door and it shattered. Voila. Instant entry. That seems like pretty shoddy security to me.

My kid's school has that same "buzz-in" system (and so does the school my wife works at). And the doors are solid steel with a little, thin window, with wire inside. So there is pretty much no way to force entry into that building.

In other words... I'm sure that hindsight is 20/20, so they know where the mistakes were made in that construction. Why did it take something like last month's thingy to bring attention to it?

1) It can't happen here mentality. They just need to put on a good show, we won't really need it
2) Start pointing out all the weaknesses in a school's security and people will start looking at you as a nut. Like I said before, I knew the Principal and she knew me, I was still nervous about bring it up.


I don't blame the principal. It seems pretty clear that she always had the best insterests of the students in mind. She was the one who spearheaded getting tighter security in place. The real shame of it was that it was badly implemented. In any case, I'm sure that you're correct that no one there EVER expected something like that to happen. Ever. After all, a whole lot of eyes are wide open to it now.
 
2013-01-14 01:22:16 PM  

SimKey: We're raising generations of pussies. No wonder America is dying.


Just so you know, that's the same thing your grandfather said about your father's generation. It's what HIS father said about his generation, and it's what your son will say about his grandson's generation. Every generation thinks that the next generation is "ZOMG! THEY R DESTROYING OUR AMERICAS!" Trust me...This country will keep on rollin'...
 
2013-01-14 01:22:16 PM  
Mergim Bajraliu, a senior at Newtown High School, attended Sandy Hook, and his sister is a fourth-grader there. He said the school should stay as it is, and a memorial for the victims should be built there.

"We have our best childhood memories at Sandy Hook Elementary School, and I don't believe that one psychopath - who I refuse to name - should get away with taking away any more than he did on Dec 14," he said.

Police say Adam Lanza, 20, killed his mother at the home they shared in Newtown before opening fire with a semi-automatic rifle at the school and killing himself as police arrived.


Have to say I agree with this student about reopening the school and creating a memorial. What is moronic of the author, however, is to immediately follow his comment which refuses to name with the name in the opening few words.
 
2013-01-14 01:22:28 PM  

SimKey: The minute somebody has a hangnail they fly the white flag.


You're right. It wasn't over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor....why should we let this?

I'm not gonna take this. Who's with me?
 
2013-01-14 01:26:08 PM  

Phinn: Bad things happen just about everywhere. Sack up and move on.

People want to fetishize the site of politically-valuable events so they can continue to extract political value from them. Shocker.


Funny that you picked yet another incident where door control would have completely changed the ordeal.
 
2013-01-14 01:26:30 PM  

give me doughnuts: How about using it as a school?

Is Columbine High still a school? How about Virginia Tech?


6-year-olds vs 16-22-year-olds - makes a difference.
 
2013-01-14 01:27:45 PM  
Bulldoze it? I don't think that's going far enough. We bulldoze all schools everywhere, and stop having kids entirely.
 
2013-01-14 01:28:34 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: give me doughnuts: How about using it as a school?

Is Columbine High still a school? How about Virginia Tech?

6-year-olds vs 16-22-year-olds - makes a difference.


6yr olds are more valuable than 16-22yr olds?
 
2013-01-14 01:28:36 PM  

Worldwalker: There are a lot of people who don't want to be in a place where someone else died violently. Consider the problems with selling a house when a murder or suicide has taken place there. So there's that in favor of replacing the school with something else.



I dated a girl whose parents never told her that their house was the scene of a murder suicide where a husband killed his wife and then himself. The hardwood floor under the oriental rug in the LR covered up a permanent bloodstain five feet long - she showed it to me because I didn't believe her. She hated that house and hated her parents for not telling her. It was weird, just how strong her emotions were about this. She was beside herself that she used to sit on top of somebody's brains and open xmas presents.
 
2013-01-14 01:29:15 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: give me doughnuts: How about using it as a school?

Is Columbine High still a school? How about Virginia Tech?

6-year-olds vs 16-22-year-olds - makes a difference.


Now you're just getting hysterical. What are you, a woman? Get a grip.

There is no reason to bulldoze a perfectly good school. All they have to do is renovate the GD thing.

Christ. Vagina. Spare me.
 
2013-01-14 01:29:54 PM  

CujoQuarrel: I'll go with turn it into a happy place where people go to visit to enjoy them selves

A strip club


As an added bonus, many of the traumatized youths will get to work there in only 8-10 years
 
2013-01-14 01:30:04 PM  
I say do something completely unpragmatic and emotionally driven.
 
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