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2013-01-14 10:56:54 AM
Yeah, it's a choice between "That's the building where all those kids died" and "That's the building that they built after all those kids died in the other one." Especially If they're going to rename the school after the principal or some other memorializing. In any case, it's going to continue to be a reminder of what happened there. Changing the scenery isn't going to help the kids who need help, that's what the school psychologist and counselors are for. Leave it up, reconfigure it, and go on living.
 
2013-01-14 10:58:18 AM
i.imgur.com
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-14 10:58:25 AM
Disco.
Open up a night club with Great White as the opening act?
 
2013-01-14 10:58:38 AM

nekom: dittybopper: That would just encourage others to attack schools, knowing they'd get their little piece of infamy if they just tried hard enough.

I'm not criminal pathologist, but I somehow doubt that comes into play.  What happened here was the hallmark of a schizophrenic madman.  I don't think he was seeking any fame, I think he was just wholly off the rails.


Actually, there is some evidence that it does come into play, at least partly. They don't just snap because of a previous incident, but they see it as a way to have their grievances aired and discussed very publicly. Often, they *PLAN* for that sort of thing: Cho Seung-Hui mailed videotapes. Dylan and Klebold left diaries outlining their plans.
 
2013-01-14 10:58:44 AM

valar_morghulis: I know, right? All those parents, friends and loved ones grieving their massacred babies need to get over themselves because of the Middle East. Totes. Glad you're the voice of reason here. What would we do without you?

/kill yourself




You think they would change their motto to Valar Dohaeris Valar Morghulis?

I'd buy the t-shirt.
 
2013-01-14 10:58:44 AM
Rename it the Samuel Colt Elementary School to get away from the unfortunate connotations Sandy Hook now has.
 
2013-01-14 10:59:35 AM
Why not turn it into a Planned Parenthood site?
 
2013-01-14 11:00:05 AM
How about return it to a school.

Like the next freaking day.

shiat happens Timmy. We move on.

Lets continue to raise a nation of fear consumed, scared, pill popper kids that think wheb tragedy happens you need to bulldoze it.

Lets remove all the gravestones in Arlington Nat'l so we don't need to think about the loss of brave men in war.

Fricken' Nancies.
 
2013-01-14 11:02:30 AM

TWX: kvinesknows: patch it up, reopen it

The biggest problem is that school districts are often self-insured, no outside entity to pay for changes. In this case it'll be the taxpayers paying to demo the school (remembering that there could be asbestos issues making it very expensive to demolish) and to build a new one. You're looking at probably $30,000,000 minimum, possibly quite a bit more depending on local labor costs and permitting issues.

The Amish were able to demolish and rebuild a school because their school was very simple in construction and they had a lot of volunteer/community involvement, and had much less stringent building codes and systems in the school.

While there may be volunteers to help in Newtown or other surrounding municipalities, it's unlikely that they can get a volunteer force of sufficient size to make a realistic dent in the cost of the work.


It's an affluent area. Median household income in the area is over $90,000. They can afford it.
 
2013-01-14 11:02:31 AM
Turn it into a mental health facility.
 
2013-01-14 11:02:36 AM
If the citizens want to have their taxes raised to pay the $millions it will cost to build a new elementary school then I guess that's their business. Stupid and unecessary and wasteful, but their business.

If they think they're just going to get another school for free, then they're crazy.

I think a reasonable approach would be to keep it vacant to the end of the school year (they already had to relocate the students to other arrangements this year) and then re-open it next fall like normal. It's a school - it's meant to be used.
 
2013-01-14 11:03:15 AM

CujoQuarrel: I'll go with turn it into a happy place where people go to visit to enjoy them selves

A strip club


It could be elementary school themed.
 
2013-01-14 11:03:46 AM
Community center.

They apparently have another school that the kids are already attending, so "schools are expensive to build" is not an issue it would seem.  Fix it up, leave certain areas as a memorial like Columbine has done, and then have it as a place that can bring the community together.

Half of my time in HS was spent in a math/science program in a former school that had been turned into a 'community building' (not for this reason, just because our school district was losing kids like crazy)... so on top of the math/science program there were also ESL classes, job fairs, robot building competitions, community theater, etc.  And if it needs to turn into a school again, wait until these kids are aged out.

/not my place to decide anyway, just my two cents
 
2013-01-14 11:03:55 AM
Maybe we could cancel one of the schools we are building in Afghanistan or Iraq, or maybe reduce our aid to Egypt just enough to cover the costs.
 
2013-01-14 11:04:34 AM
Take your fears and roll them up in a big ball, pile on with other mambypambies and pile the fears in a big mosh pit of self pity and shivering of bones.
Maybe a nice tissue would help. One with lotion.

Look, I am sorry for everybody's loss. But, EVERYBODY has losses. No special deals here, nobody gets out alive.


/get a grip on that media or lose all your Human Rights, you farkin' idiots
 
2013-01-14 11:05:17 AM
"They've been moved to a school building about seven miles away in a neighboring town that has been renamed Sandy Hook Elementary School."

Moving the students away from a location where a traumatic event took place then renaming the new location after the old location seems... oxymoronic.
 
2013-01-14 11:05:25 AM

nekom: kid_icarus: I'd say it couldn't be more unusable as a school if it were radioactive. Bulldoze it.

colinspooky: Keep it going just as was to show they are not going to be beaten by just one loon

See, there's the problem.  Those are both valid opinions.  The Amish bulldozed the schoolhouse after the horrible shooting there.  Conversely, I believe Columbine is still open (or am I wrong on that?).  Either school of thought is valid, and at the same time either option really sucks.


Yeah last I heard Columbine was open, But the library or cafateria was sealed off.
 
2013-01-14 11:05:47 AM
I want them to close it.

Right now.
 
2013-01-14 11:06:02 AM
They should turn it into a shrine for all the victims of mass shootings in the US. Then the NRA will be forced to nuke it from orbit. Only way to be sure you destroy every trace of these poor children's lives.
 
2013-01-14 11:06:17 AM

lewismarktwo: Turn it into a mental health facility.


2 birds
1 stone.
 
2013-01-14 11:06:31 AM
Just because something bad happened there does not diminish it's value as a building.

I think it should stay open but that the school board should allow any students who witnessed shootings to relocate to different school should their parents desire.

If the people in the area wish to build a new building I think that's OK so long as they pay some sort of tax over and above what they already pay in order to finance it but I would NOT want any existing educational dollars spent on demolishing the school because it haunts the memories of folks. Go get conventional therapy; we don't do therapy-by-bulldozer here.
 
2013-01-14 11:06:52 AM
They should turn it into some kind of facility where they teach people skills to get jobs

...or something like that.
 
2013-01-14 11:06:59 AM

cretinbob: I read the NRA wants to turn it into a rifle range.

//too soon?


Your window seat is waiting for you.

The place should be leveled and turned into a memorial. Funds can come from all the Federal tax dollars that Barrack Obama is saving since his administration declared that creating an armed presence in every school is "impractical", even though he also declared that measures that "even save one life" were worth taking.
 
2013-01-14 11:07:06 AM

heypete: kvinesknows: Is there anyone left alive that saw actual shootings? or just people who were in the building in other rooms?

I seem to recall that there was at least one girl who was in one of the rooms the killer attacked and she survived by playing dead.

/I can't imagine the type of trauma that'd inflict on a kid. No words. :/


She was found underneath her classmates' bodies, too, so covered in blood the rescuers didn't think she was alive until she moved or said something.

Yeah she's going to have nightmares for a while.
 
2013-01-14 11:07:09 AM

give me doughnuts: How about using it as a school?

Is Columbine High still a school? How about Virginia Tech?


BUT TINY CHILDREN!!!!!WHARRGARBL!!!!!!
 
2013-01-14 11:07:48 AM

kid_icarus: I'd say it couldn't be more unusable as a school if it were radioactive. Bulldoze it.


I disagree. Their kids, their community, their school, their call. We who do not live there don't have the right to have an opinion on this one.
 
2013-01-14 11:08:08 AM

valar_morghulis: Turn it into a memorial, with a ticker running up the number of American gun deaths since the incident.


And count only those like the ones in that school, who could not legally fire back.
 
2013-01-14 11:08:44 AM

give me doughnuts: How about using it as a school?

Is Columbine High still a school? How about Virginia Tech?


maybe it has something to do with the age of the kids.  high schoolers and college kids can get over it, 3rd graders can't?
 
2013-01-14 11:10:14 AM
A girl was killed in a bathroom at my high school, and all they did was lock it forever.

my locker for two years was right freaking next to that bathroom. ::shudder::
 
2013-01-14 11:10:19 AM
Remenber, You are setting up an "entitlement".
All future mass killings, and there will be, will expect the same most favored status and demand the snowballing lottery of benefits showered on the standing abouts.

Everybody dies. Many violently. This is reality.
Whatcha gonna do?
 
2013-01-14 11:10:21 AM

snocone: Take your fears and roll them up in a big ball, pile on with other mambypambies and pile the fears in a big mosh pit of self pity and shivering of bones.
Maybe a nice tissue would help. One with lotion.

Look, I am sorry for everybody's loss. But, EVERYBODY has losses. No special deals here, nobody gets out alive.

/get a grip on that media or lose all your Human Rights, you farkin' idiots


Twenty children just your age died here? Rub some dirt on it, kid, and glue that macaroni and glitter.
 
2013-01-14 11:12:12 AM

limeyfellow: kvinesknows: patch it up, reopen it

This. The idea to level the place is silly. It be like suggesting they level Manhattan because some nut jobs damaged it and killed a bunch of people. If you cave in on every attack and act of violence, the world would get nowhere.


They shoulda just patched up the Twin Towers!
 
2013-01-14 11:12:13 AM

groppet: nekom: kid_icarus: I'd say it couldn't be more unusable as a school if it were radioactive. Bulldoze it.

colinspooky: Keep it going just as was to show they are not going to be beaten by just one loon

See, there's the problem.  Those are both valid opinions.  The Amish bulldozed the schoolhouse after the horrible shooting there.  Conversely, I believe Columbine is still open (or am I wrong on that?).  Either school of thought is valid, and at the same time either option really sucks.

Yeah last I heard Columbine was open, But the library or cafateria was sealed off.


According to wikipedia:

After the shootings, Columbine completely demolished its library, located above the cafeteria, since it was the site where thirteen of the deaths occurred. The site was then turned into a memorial ceiling and atrium; a new, larger library was built on the hill where the shooting began and dedicated to the memory of the victims

I think this is reasonable. It's impractical to demolish buildings every time a tragedy occurs (nor do I think that we should, it feels like a form of denial), but remodeling and adding a memorial makes sense.
 
2013-01-14 11:13:01 AM

nekom: The Amish bulldozed


they drive bulldozers?

JK, it's right across the road from my Aunt's house.
Worse for her, They were all close friends, and she was also a teacher.

Believe it or not. . . She got over it.
 
2013-01-14 11:13:38 AM

kvinesknows: TWX: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Take a lesson from the Amish and follow their example.

After the Amish school shooting they quietly tore down the building and rebuilt a new school.

kvinesknows: patch it up, reopen it

The biggest problem is that school districts are often self-insured, no outside entity to pay for changes. In this case it'll be the taxpayers paying to demo the school (remembering that there could be asbestos issues making it very expensive to demolish) and to build a new one. You're looking at probably $30,000,000 minimum, possibly quite a bit more depending on local labor costs and permitting issues.

The Amish were able to demolish and rebuild a school because their school was very simple in construction and they had a lot of volunteer/community involvement, and had much less stringent building codes and systems in the school.

While there may be volunteers to help in Newtown or other surrounding municipalities, it's unlikely that they can get a volunteer force of sufficient size to make a realistic dent in the cost of the work.

exactly... no matter WHAT level of government would step up to pay to demolish it and build a new one its still the same taxpayer. And if they have 30 to 60 million for a demo and new build.. I would hazard a guess that money would be better spent on real education issues.


Given this, I would hazard a guess that they'd be more likely to spend $60 million on a demo and rebuild than a penny on real education issues.

Especially if they have to rely on Congress for funding to do anything regarding the school. With the GOP having a majority in the House and a cloture-proof "majority" in the Senate, the funding bill for rebuilding and recovering from the shooting would most likely explicitly prohibit any of the money from being used for "real education issues" and/or require Connecticut to become a Shall Issue/Open Carry state
 
2013-01-14 11:15:04 AM

snocone: Remenber, You are setting up an "entitlement".
All future mass killings, and there will be, will expect the same most favored status and demand the snowballing lottery of benefits showered on the standing abouts.

Everybody dies. Many violently. This is reality.
Whatcha gonna do?


Sounds like a post from Jezebel.
 
2013-01-14 11:15:05 AM
FTA: "A month after the shooting".

Fer crying out loud, move it along.
Did the Pearl Harbor thingie get this press?
 
2013-01-14 11:15:12 AM

TWX: The Amish were able to demolish and rebuild a school because their school was very simple in construction and they had a lot of volunteer/community involvement, and had much less stringent building codes and systems in the school.

While there may be volunteers to help in Newtown or other surrounding municipalities, it's unlikely that they can get a volunteer force of sufficient size to make a realistic dent in the cost of the work.


The Amish hired an outside contractor to knock down that school in the dead of night with modern equipment.

i.i.com.com
 
2013-01-14 11:15:16 AM
It's just a building. Hose it out, patch up the holes, and reopen it.
 
2013-01-14 11:15:57 AM
www.utexas.edu

Bad things happen just about everywhere. Sack up and move on.

People want to fetishize the site of politically-valuable events so they can continue to extract political value from them. Shocker.
 
2013-01-14 11:16:06 AM

valar_morghulis: mltain: I say they need to get over themselves, people in the middle east go through worse on a weekly or even daily basis.

I know, right? All those parents, friends and loved ones grieving their massacred babies need to get over themselves because of the Middle East. Totes. Glad you're the voice of reason here. What would we do without you?

/kill yourself


And yet you managed to become a messedup person despite not being involved in a mass murder. Funny how things work out.
 
2013-01-14 11:16:45 AM

TheOther: snocone: Take your fears and roll them up in a big ball, pile on with other mambypambies and pile the fears in a big mosh pit of self pity and shivering of bones.
Maybe a nice tissue would help. One with lotion.

Look, I am sorry for everybody's loss. But, EVERYBODY has losses. No special deals here, nobody gets out alive.

/get a grip on that media or lose all your Human Rights, you farkin' idiots

Twenty children just your age died here? Rub some dirt on it, kid, and glue that macaroni and glitter.


My dad woulda just told me to walk it off.
 
2013-01-14 11:18:28 AM

SpectroBoy: baltimoreblonde: How about remodeling it, but for the next batch of elementary school kids. Don't make the ones who were there go back.

That's what I am thinking. Wait until these kids are old enough for the next level of school while remodeling it. Then put the next batch of kids back in Newtown.


Thirded.
 
2013-01-14 11:19:20 AM

valar_morghulis: snocone: Remenber, You are setting up an "entitlement".
All future mass killings, and there will be, will expect the same most favored status and demand the snowballing lottery of benefits showered on the standing abouts.

Everybody dies. Many violently. This is reality.
Whatcha gonna do?

Sounds like a post from Jezebel.


???
"In The Bloudy Tenent of Persecution for Cause of Conscience, Roger Williams, the founder of the American colony of Rhode Island and the co-founder of the First Baptist Church in America, wrote of Naboth's story as an example of how God disfavored the use of government force in religious matters. Williams believed using force in the name of religion would lead to political persecution, contrary to the Bible's teachings."
 
2013-01-14 11:19:30 AM

Aigoo: We who do not live there don't have the right to have an opinion on this


Can't have an opinion just because we don't live there? Are you stoned, or just stupid?
 
2013-01-14 11:19:54 AM

baltimoreblonde: How about remodeling it, but for the next batch of elementary school kids. Don't make the ones who were there go back.


Exactly what I was thinking. The next group may know what happened there, but it won't be personal to them in a traumatizing way. Keep it closed until the kids who were there are old enough to be at other schools, then reopen it for a new group wholly disconnected from the incident.

I wonder if the residents of the town will be so enthusiastic about tearing it down and building a new one if they realize that their property taxes are going to go up to pay for it...
 
2013-01-14 11:20:23 AM

Wangiss: valar_morghulis: mltain: I say they need to get over themselves, people in the middle east go through worse on a weekly or even daily basis.

I know, right? All those parents, friends and loved ones grieving their massacred babies need to get over themselves because of the Middle East. Totes. Glad you're the voice of reason here. What would we do without you?

/kill yourself

And yet you managed to become a messedup person despite not being involved in a mass murder. Funny how things work out.


i.imgur.com

But thanks for playing.
 
2013-01-14 11:20:28 AM

SlothB77: maybe it has something to do with the age of the kids.  high schoolers and college kids can get over it, 3rd graders can't?


The opposite is true.
http://www.grupoasv.com/en/prensa/sometimes-children-cope-with-life-a n d-death-better-than-adults-do/
 
2013-01-14 11:20:31 AM
Harry! Quit disrupting the class. Go over and stand where Johnny was shot! Not where Meredeth was wounded, you idiot. Where Johnny was shot! Now think about what you've done and try to ignore the tortured cries of anguish that you will hear as you stand in the lonely corner.

"Oh please Misses Graham! I'll be good! I hear the cries of the wounded and the staccato sounds of shell casings hitting the floor. I see their faces! Their souless eyes beckon me to join them! I'll be good!"

Five more minutes, Freakstorm.
 
2013-01-14 11:21:59 AM

valar_morghulis: snocone: Remenber, You are setting up an "entitlement".
All future mass killings, and there will be, will expect the same most favored status and demand the snowballing lottery of benefits showered on the standing abouts.

Everybody dies. Many violently. This is reality.
Whatcha gonna do?

Sounds like a post from Jezebel.


I don't see any mention of "white male privilege". Clearly not a post from Jezebel.
 
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