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(The Day)   A month after the shooting, residents of Newtown struggle to decide what exactly to do with Sandy Hook Elementary School   (theday.com) divider line 338
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2013-01-14 09:16:29 AM  
I read the NRA wants to turn it into a rifle range.

//too soon?
 
2013-01-14 09:17:27 AM  
It's a tough call.  All I can really say is it's entirely their business what they decide to do with it.
 
2013-01-14 09:22:56 AM  
I'd say it couldn't be more unusable as a school if it were radioactive. Bulldoze it.
 
2013-01-14 09:25:32 AM  
Keep it going just as was to show they are not going to be beaten by just one loon
 
2013-01-14 09:27:39 AM  
Use it to fuel conspiracy theories and generate some tourism revenues...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx9GxXYKx_8

One of my idiot friends shared that video on facebook this morning with this comment:
"I wish the president would answer some questions

What weapon was used
The examiner says rifle but can't say what caliber
Initial reports have 2 not 4 handguns inside

I'm not being insensitive to the event just curious to the facts in play"


It's like Benghazi round two, with even less of a tenuous connection to the presidency!
 
2013-01-14 09:28:52 AM  

cretinbob: I read the NRA wants to turn it into a rifle range.

//too soon?


No, no.  A gun nut, doomsday prepper, survivalist firearms practice area.  You can put kid sized targets in the various rooms, and throw in a few adult sized ones with 'gun control activist' scrawled across the chest.
 
2013-01-14 09:29:50 AM  
Laser tag arena!

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2013-01-14 09:31:46 AM  

kid_icarus: I'd say it couldn't be more unusable as a school if it were radioactive. Bulldoze it.


colinspooky: Keep it going just as was to show they are not going to be beaten by just one loon


See, there's the problem.  Those are both valid opinions.  The Amish bulldozed the schoolhouse after the horrible shooting there.  Conversely, I believe Columbine is still open (or am I wrong on that?).  Either school of thought is valid, and at the same time either option really sucks.
 
2013-01-14 09:32:09 AM  

stpauler: Laser tag arena!

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ding ding
 
2013-01-14 09:34:42 AM  

incendi: Use it to fuel conspiracy theories and generate some tourism revenues...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx9GxXYKx_8

One of my idiot friends shared that video on facebook this morning with this comment:
"I wish the president would answer some questions

What weapon was used
The examiner says rifle but can't say what caliber
Initial reports have 2 not 4 handguns inside

I'm not being insensitive to the event just curious to the facts in play"

It's like Benghazi round two, with even less of a tenuous connection to the presidency!


I saw that this morning too.  What's funny is that the whole thing was spawned by the media's "Get it on the air first" fight, facts be damned. Now they're Just Asking Questions®
 
2013-01-14 09:40:00 AM  

cretinbob: I read the NRA wants to turn it into a rifle range.

//too soon?


Too soon? I came here to make that suggestion in earnest.
 
2013-01-14 09:42:51 AM  
How about using it as a school?

Is Columbine High still a school? How about Virginia Tech?
 
2013-01-14 09:59:41 AM  

kid_icarus: I'd say it couldn't be more unusable as a school if it were radioactive. Bulldoze it.


I say the opposite. Remodel it, and reopen it. To do otherwise would mean Lanza *WON*, even in death. Place a plaque somewhere, rename it after the principal, whatever you feel you need to memorialize those who died, but DO NOT bulldoze it. That would just encourage others to attack schools, knowing they'd get their little piece of infamy if they just tried hard enough.
 
2013-01-14 10:01:14 AM  

colinspooky: Keep it going just as was to show they are not going to be beaten by just one loon


This.
 
2013-01-14 10:03:19 AM  

dittybopper: That would just encourage others to attack schools, knowing they'd get their little piece of infamy if they just tried hard enough.


I'm not criminal pathologist, but I somehow doubt that comes into play.  What happened here was the hallmark of a schizophrenic madman.  I don't think he was seeking any fame, I think he was just wholly off the rails.
 
2013-01-14 10:04:48 AM  
Well, it's already set up perfectly to be a school... How about therapy for those that need it and everyone else can get the fark on with their lives. Not every tragedy needs knee jerk reactions.
 
2013-01-14 10:07:04 AM  

give me doughnuts: How about using it as a school?

Is Columbine High still a school? How about Virginia Tech?


Columbian still is, but they've turned the library (and maybe the cafeteria) into memorials. Virginia Tech was barely a school to begin with.
 
2013-01-14 10:07:35 AM  

nekom: kid_icarus: I'd say it couldn't be more unusable as a school if it were radioactive. Bulldoze it.

colinspooky: Keep it going just as was to show they are not going to be beaten by just one loon

See, there's the problem.  Those are both valid opinions.  The Amish bulldozed the schoolhouse after the horrible shooting there.  Conversely, I believe Columbine is still open (or am I wrong on that?).  Either school of thought is valid, and at the same time either option really sucks.


Columbine torn down the cafeteria and library areas where most of the shootings occured and reconfigured the school.
 
2013-01-14 10:08:27 AM  

Yes please: give me doughnuts: How about using it as a school?

Is Columbine High still a school? How about Virginia Tech?

Columbian still is, but they've turned the library (and maybe the cafeteria) into memorials. Virginia Tech was barely a school to begin with.


I meant Columbine, obviously. The word had been removed from my autocorrect out of respect for the victims.
 
2013-01-14 10:08:59 AM  

Honest Bender: Well, it's already set up perfectly to be a school... How about therapy for those that need it and everyone else can get the fark on with their lives. Not every tragedy needs knee jerk reactions.


We're in the United States so everything must have a knee jerk reaction. WE DEMAND IT!!!
 
2013-01-14 10:09:03 AM  

nekom: dittybopper: That would just encourage others to attack schools, knowing they'd get their little piece of infamy if they just tried hard enough.

I'm not criminal pathologist, but I somehow doubt that comes into play.  What happened here was the hallmark of a schizophrenic madman.  I don't think he was seeking any fame, I think he was just wholly off the rails.


Correct but future shooters could be inspired to do the same thing to secure some infamy.
 
2013-01-14 10:10:05 AM  

dittybopper: kid_icarus: I'd say it couldn't be more unusable as a school if it were radioactive. Bulldoze it.

I say the opposite. Remodel it, and reopen it. To do otherwise would mean Lanza *WON*, even in death. Place a plaque somewhere, rename it after the principal, whatever you feel you need to memorialize those who died, but DO NOT bulldoze it. That would just encourage others to attack schools, knowing they'd get their little piece of infamy if they just tried hard enough.


Hmm...I think you might could argue that leaving the school intact (in any capacity) would only help further his infamy. It would become an almost local legend...that place where THAT happened. It would help immortalize his evil deed. But if the building is gone...there's nothing tangible to tie to the event. I think it could be forgotten easier, and deny him any ongoing notoriety in the future.
 
2013-01-14 10:13:42 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: Columbine torn down the cafeteria and library areas where most of the shootings occured and reconfigured the school.


This is probably appropriate. Bulldozing the whole facility is excessive and wasteful - but at the same time, you can't put a bunch of six or seven year old kids back in the same classes and hallways where their friends were slaughtered.
 
2013-01-14 10:15:05 AM  

kid_icarus: Hmm...I think you might could argue that leaving the school intact (in any capacity) would only help further his infamy. It would become an almost local legend...that place where THAT happened. It would help immortalize his evil deed. But if the building is gone...there's nothing tangible to tie to the event. I think it could be forgotten easier, and deny him any ongoing notoriety in the future.


Or even possibly opening up the thought of doing it again in that particular school in some nutjob's mind.

There really aren't any right answers here.
 
2013-01-14 10:22:48 AM  

colinspooky: Keep it going just as was to show they are not going to be beaten by just one loon


This.
 
2013-01-14 10:22:55 AM  
I don't know what they should do with it other than not listen to Fark about what to do with it.
 
2013-01-14 10:23:26 AM  
Take a lesson from the Amish and follow their example.

After the Amish school shooting they quietly tore down the building and rebuilt a new school.
 
2013-01-14 10:24:02 AM  
I guess using it as a school is too obvious?

So we're starting to martyr inanimate objects now?
 
2013-01-14 10:24:14 AM  
make into a pig farm and call it the Second A-Ham-Dent Ranch
 
2013-01-14 10:24:51 AM  
Keep it going as a school by day and use it as a rifle range after school.
 
2013-01-14 10:25:01 AM  
patch it up, reopen it
 
2013-01-14 10:26:51 AM  
I know a lot of people are going to want it torn down or made into something that would make an interesting social statement....

but it seems it would be best suited to be a school. Ya know, since that is what it is. Clean it up, repair it, it's good as new.
 
2013-01-14 10:27:49 AM  

The Muthaship: I don't know what they should do with it other than not listen to Fark about what to do with it.


They totally should, though. After all, we're the Experts On Everything. I'm quite sure the President gets all his legislative ideas from the Politics tab (so I expect nuclear war any day now).
 
2013-01-14 10:28:15 AM  
Waste of a perfectly good school, massive waste of taxpayer dollars if they don't keep using it.

Kids are resilient, much more than we let them be in the media.
 
2013-01-14 10:28:25 AM  

kvinesknows: patch it up, reopen it


This. The idea to level the place is silly. It be like suggesting they level Manhattan because some nut jobs damaged it and killed a bunch of people. If you cave in on every attack and act of violence, the world would get nowhere.
 
2013-01-14 10:29:32 AM  
How about remodeling it, but for the next batch of elementary school kids. Don't make the ones who were there go back.
 
TWX
2013-01-14 10:30:04 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Take a lesson from the Amish and follow their example.

After the Amish school shooting they quietly tore down the building and rebuilt a new school.


kvinesknows: patch it up, reopen it


The biggest problem is that school districts are often self-insured, no outside entity to pay for changes. In this case it'll be the taxpayers paying to demo the school (remembering that there could be asbestos issues making it very expensive to demolish) and to build a new one. You're looking at probably $30,000,000 minimum, possibly quite a bit more depending on local labor costs and permitting issues.

The Amish were able to demolish and rebuild a school because their school was very simple in construction and they had a lot of volunteer/community involvement, and had much less stringent building codes and systems in the school.

While there may be volunteers to help in Newtown or other surrounding municipalities, it's unlikely that they can get a volunteer force of sufficient size to make a realistic dent in the cost of the work.
 
2013-01-14 10:31:20 AM  
"I have two children who had everything taken from them," said Audrey Bart, whose children attend the school but weren't injured in the shooting.

Is it just me or is this lady a selfish c-word? This reads as a HUGE F you to all the parents who DID actually lose kids in the shooting...
 
2013-01-14 10:32:01 AM  
FTFA: "I have two children who had everything taken from them," said Audrey Bart, whose children attend the school but weren't injured in the shooting.

Oh for fark's sake ...
 
2013-01-14 10:32:18 AM  
kcoombs69: " Now they're Just Asking Questions®"

Funny how the people "Just Asking Questions" always seem to be the ones who don't actually listen to any answers.
 
2013-01-14 10:32:43 AM  

TWX: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Take a lesson from the Amish and follow their example.

After the Amish school shooting they quietly tore down the building and rebuilt a new school.

kvinesknows: patch it up, reopen it

The biggest problem is that school districts are often self-insured, no outside entity to pay for changes. In this case it'll be the taxpayers paying to demo the school (remembering that there could be asbestos issues making it very expensive to demolish) and to build a new one. You're looking at probably $30,000,000 minimum, possibly quite a bit more depending on local labor costs and permitting issues.

The Amish were able to demolish and rebuild a school because their school was very simple in construction and they had a lot of volunteer/community involvement, and had much less stringent building codes and systems in the school.

While there may be volunteers to help in Newtown or other surrounding municipalities, it's unlikely that they can get a volunteer force of sufficient size to make a realistic dent in the cost of the work.


exactly... no matter WHAT level of government would step up to pay to demolish it and build a new one its still the same taxpayer. And if they have 30 to 60 million for a demo and new build.. I would hazard a guess that money would be better spent on real education issues.
 
2013-01-14 10:32:44 AM  
Remodel it, change the room numbers around, put up a plaque honoring those that were killed....
 
2013-01-14 10:32:52 AM  
I'll go with turn it into a happy place where people go to visit to enjoy them selves

A strip club
 
2013-01-14 10:33:01 AM  
Insane Asylum???
 
2013-01-14 10:33:36 AM  

Brick-House: Insane Asylum???


Just how haunted do you want this place to end up being?
 
2013-01-14 10:33:46 AM  
I agree with all the re-open it remarks except that this is a chance to get a brand new modern building and those kids have been through a bunch of shiat I say build them a great new school.
 
2013-01-14 10:33:58 AM  
Dr.Mxyzptlk.: After the Amish school shooting they quietly tore down the building and rebuilt a new school.

That's because the Amish are the human equivalent of Doozers.
 
2013-01-14 10:34:42 AM  
What some of you fail to consider is, it's not about the usefulness of the property. It's about the well-being of the students/faculty/families.

The key thing is taking care of the people in the best way possible, whatever that may entail. I live about 15 minutes away from Newtown, but I don't personally know any of the families (although I have numerous acquaintances who do). I don't know what they might need (except to be left alone by the media), and I expect the same is true for most if not all of the people in this thread. They'll decide what they need. Practicality comes second.
 
2013-01-14 10:34:42 AM  

Rurouni: "I have two children who had everything taken from them," said Audrey Bart, whose children attend the school but weren't injured in the shooting.

Is it just me or is this lady a selfish c-word? This reads as a HUGE F you to all the parents who DID actually lose kids in the shooting...


Well, it's not as if the survivors haven't been hurt by this all.  I can't even imagine how a young child would deal with that sort of heavy shiat.
 
2013-01-14 10:34:52 AM  

CujoQuarrel: I'll go with turn it into a happy place where people go to visit to enjoy them selves

A strip club


Yeah, but you know some idiot is gonna want the strippers to wear body armor for protections from assault fappers
 
2013-01-14 10:35:13 AM  
Abortion clinic.
 
2013-01-14 10:35:50 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: I know a lot of people are going to want it torn down or made into something that would make an interesting social statement....

but it seems it would be best suited to be a school. Ya know, since that is what it is. Clean it up, repair it, it's good as new.


I think the problem would be the kids who, you know, witnessed their friends getting murdered. That whole "PTSD" thing is probably worse when you're 7 years old.
 
2013-01-14 10:37:27 AM  

dittybopper: kid_icarus: I'd say it couldn't be more unusable as a school if it were radioactive. Bulldoze it.

I say the opposite. Remodel it, and reopen it. To do otherwise would mean Lanza *WON*, even in death. Place a plaque somewhere, rename it after the principal, whatever you feel you need to memorialize those who died, but DO NOT bulldoze it. That would just encourage others to attack schools, knowing they'd get their little piece of infamy if they just tried hard enough.


This. And QFT.

I know it will be a horrible day when the surivors go back in to that school. But consider that within a couple of years, there will be a whole new crop of students that were NOT present on that fateful day.
So the effort to make the school disappear as if it were the school's fault is rather absurd.
 
2013-01-14 10:37:28 AM  

theFword: Abortion clinic.


carrying on the tradition that only began last month.
 
2013-01-14 10:37:47 AM  

nekom: It's a tough call.  All I can really say is it's entirely their business what they decide to do with it.


I would like to think that is a given.

I'm of two minds on this one. On the one hand I think they should just fix it up and reopen it. I'm guess the town doesn't have a few million sitting in the bank to build a whole new school. That and there is something healing about getting over something and moving on. That's for the town, I dont know how the families will move on. I'm not sure I could.

On the other hand I can see the need and want to bulldoze the place. I'm sure the families of the victims dont want to drive by the place every day and see it. And that way you dont have to worry about all the terror tourists coming by and reopening old wounds every 5 years for "where are they now" specials.

But maybe a third is my favorite. Just thought of this. Wouldn't it be cool to save the school as a training ground for SWAT and special police forces? Those guys are always looking for places to train and it would bring in money and the right kind of tourists. Kind of making something good out of the whole mess? From the response time of the police the police station can't be that far away.
 
2013-01-14 10:38:12 AM  
Build a hospital next to it and turn the affected rooms into maternity wards? Cosmic balance or whatever.
 
2013-01-14 10:38:30 AM  
Turn it into a memorial, with a ticker running up the number of American gun deaths since the incident.
 
2013-01-14 10:38:31 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Take a lesson from the Amish and follow their example.

After the Amish school shooting they quietly tore down the building and rebuilt a new school.


Yes, because knocking down an amish school house and building a new one is the same as a modern school for a couple hundred kids.
 
2013-01-14 10:39:01 AM  
Raze it and fill in the foundation, then have a priest consecrate the land.
 
2013-01-14 10:39:03 AM  
I'm thinking huge national memorial that will take 10 years to build and cost a cool tril.
 
2013-01-14 10:39:14 AM  
""We have our best childhood memories at Sandy Hook Elementary School, and I don't believe that one psychopath should get away with taking away any more than he did on Dec 14," he said."


THIS!!!!!
 
2013-01-14 10:39:14 AM  
Close off the area where the shooting took place, and rearrange the rest of the school to compensate for the lost rooms, like they did at Columbine. Keep it as a school though; there's no need to turn it into a memorial or park or whatever.
 
2013-01-14 10:39:32 AM  
Giant statue of Guliani
 
2013-01-14 10:39:59 AM  
Maybe one of those KFC/Taco Bell/Pizza Huts. If there is enough room, add an A&W and Long John Silvers.
 
2013-01-14 10:40:07 AM  

TWX: The biggest problem is that school districts are often self-insured, no outside entity to pay for changes. In this case it'll be the taxpayers paying to demo the school (remembering that there could be asbestos issues making it very expensive to demolish) and to build a new one. You're looking at probably $30,000,000 minimum, possibly quite a bit more depending on local labor costs and permitting issues.

The Amish were able to demolish and rebuild a school because their school was very simple in construction and they had a lot of volunteer/community involvement, and had much less stringent building codes and systems in the school.

While there may be volunteers to help in Newtown or other surrounding municipalities, it's unlikely that they can get a volunteer force of sufficient size to make a realistic dent in the cost of the work.


Seriously.. All the Amish do is build buildings and make candles. Also some heater or something.. I know there is an Amish Heater out there somewhere.
 
2013-01-14 10:40:39 AM  
Annual haunted house.
 
2013-01-14 10:41:02 AM  

PrivateCaboose: Fark_Guy_Rob: I know a lot of people are going to want it torn down or made into something that would make an interesting social statement....

but it seems it would be best suited to be a school. Ya know, since that is what it is. Clean it up, repair it, it's good as new.

I think the problem would be the kids who, you know, witnessed their friends getting murdered. That whole "PTSD" thing is probably worse when you're 7 years old.


Is there anyone left alive that saw actual shootings? or just people who were in the building in other rooms?
 
2013-01-14 10:41:44 AM  

PrivateCaboose: Fark_Guy_Rob: I know a lot of people are going to want it torn down or made into something that would make an interesting social statement....

but it seems it would be best suited to be a school. Ya know, since that is what it is. Clean it up, repair it, it's good as new.

I think the problem would be the kids who, you know, witnessed their friends getting murdered. That whole "PTSD" thing is probably worse when you're 7 years old.


If I witnessed my friends getting murdered I don't think I'd really care much about the building where it happened.
I'd also suspect that elementary schools look really darn similar. I had a summer gig cleaning schools so I've been to every elementary and junior high school in my district; and they all feel the same.

I don't see how tearing down one generic elementary building and putting up another is going to solve any problems.
 
2013-01-14 10:41:51 AM  
I say keep using it. Maybe get a little statue or plant a big tree or something as a memorial, but definitely keep using it. Schools are way too expensive to just toss out. Renovate the rooms and the next year's students (or the year after that) will have no problem attending classes there, though the teachers might have issues.
 
2013-01-14 10:41:58 AM  
Mop it out and reopen it.
 
2013-01-14 10:42:52 AM  

ImRonBurgundy: Maybe one of those KFC/Taco Bell/Pizza Huts. If there is enough room, add an A&W and Long John Silvers.


"Hey bro where you at?"
"I'm at the combination Pizza Hut and Taco Bell and KFC."
 
2013-01-14 10:43:22 AM  
I say they need to get over themselves, people in the middle east go through worse on a weekly or even daily basis.
 
2013-01-14 10:44:14 AM  

cretinbob: I read the NRA wants to turn it into a rifle range.

//too soon?


So this family walks in to a talent agent's office. . . . .
 
2013-01-14 10:45:17 AM  

colinspooky: Keep it going just as was to show they are not going to be beaten by just one loon


I'm with you on this emotion.

That said, the question is really what's best for the kids. Some of them might be pretty scared of that place.
 
2013-01-14 10:45:19 AM  

Holocaust Agnostic: Mop it out and reopen it.


Yep. Hell, it's clear the kids (who want to return to their neighborhood school) have more sense and are recovering more quickly than their parents, who are attention-whoring 'won't someone think of the children' idiots.
 
2013-01-14 10:45:27 AM  

kvinesknows: Is there anyone left alive that saw actual shootings? or just people who were in the building in other rooms?


I seem to recall that there was at least one girl who was in one of the rooms the killer attacked and she survived by playing dead.

/I can't imagine the type of trauma that'd inflict on a kid. No words. :/
 
2013-01-14 10:45:49 AM  

jchic: Correct but future shooters could be inspired to do the same thing to secure some infamy.


It's a little late to keep Lanza from being infamous.
 
2013-01-14 10:46:05 AM  
They should spend about 12 years debating it then build a memorial and tower.
 
2013-01-14 10:46:18 AM  
Tear it down, plant a shiatload of trees instead.
 
2013-01-14 10:46:39 AM  
Turn it in to a Chucky Cheese.
 
2013-01-14 10:47:14 AM  

mltain: I say they need to get over themselves, people in the middle east go through worse on a weekly or even daily basis.


I know, right? All those parents, friends and loved ones grieving their massacred babies need to get over themselves because of the Middle East. Totes. Glad you're the voice of reason here. What would we do without you?

/kill yourself
 
2013-01-14 10:47:27 AM  

Thunderpipes: Waste of a perfectly good school, massive waste of taxpayer dollars if they don't keep using it.

Kids are resilient, much more than we let them be in the media.


On the other hand.... would you REALLY send your 6 year old back to the SAME ROOM where he saw his little friends splattered all over the wall??

I hate the idea of wasting the building OR giving in to an insane person. But I really hate the idea of the kids suffering any more than necessary too.
 
2013-01-14 10:47:44 AM  

PrivateCaboose: ImRonBurgundy: Maybe one of those KFC/Taco Bell/Pizza Huts. If there is enough room, add an A&W and Long John Silvers.

"Hey bro where you at?"
"I'm at the combination Pizza Hut and Taco Bell and KFC."


We just call it the Kentacohut
 
2013-01-14 10:47:44 AM  
It's none of our business, let the folks of Newtown decide.
Maybe Obama / Biden could use it as a back ground when they give their speech about assault rifles.
Sorry, too soon.
 
2013-01-14 10:48:30 AM  

baltimoreblonde: How about remodeling it, but for the next batch of elementary school kids. Don't make the ones who were there go back.


That's what I am thinking. Wait until these kids are old enough for the next level of school while remodeling it. Then put the next batch of kids back in Newtown.
 
2013-01-14 10:48:42 AM  

The Muthaship: Brick-House: Insane Asylum???

Just how haunted do you want this place to end up being?


"Make the walls bleed!" levels would bring money into the local economy because people like me would go visit.

/probably get locked up, too
 
2013-01-14 10:49:30 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: They should spend about 12 years debating it then build a memorial and tower.


Meanwhile, protest the opening of any mental health facilities in the vicinity, saying that it would just be rubbing it in the face of everyone that lost someone to a crazy person.
 
2013-01-14 10:49:39 AM  

colinspooky: Keep it going just as was to show they are not going to be beaten by just one loon


THIS
 
2013-01-14 10:49:44 AM  
If we're going to tear down every place that has a shooting, one day the U.S. will run out of buildings.
 
2013-01-14 10:50:07 AM  
The NRA should make it into a museum showcasing their accomplishments in arming every criminal in the USA.
 
2013-01-14 10:51:09 AM  

Holocaust Agnostic: Mop it out and reopen it.


omg.
 
2013-01-14 10:51:15 AM  
Patch the holes, put up a nice little memorial, and teach the adults that life goes on. The kids still know this and don't need a refresher.
 
2013-01-14 10:51:28 AM  
I grew up in a southern town that had a high school and an elementary school in the neighborhood where most of the African-American folks lived. They couldn't use them even after desegregation because they would mess up the legally mandated racial balance at all the schools in the system.

So the school district put their headquarters in the elementary school, and they used the high school as the vocational training school.

IMO that would be a great solution to the Newtown problem. Set up a memorial where the massacre was, convert the other classrooms to offices, and sell the existing school board offices.
 
2013-01-14 10:52:45 AM  

nekom: It's a tough call.  All I can really say is it's entirely their business what they decide to do with it.


I hope it remains Sandy Hook Elementary School, as is, and that the community doesn't turn it into anything other than a demonstration that a single crazed individual can't destroy what took them so long to build. Open the doors, talk to the kids, get back to teaching, and continue forward.
 
2013-01-14 10:54:03 AM  

TWX: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Take a lesson from the Amish and follow their example.

After the Amish school shooting they quietly tore down the building and rebuilt a new school.

kvinesknows: patch it up, reopen it

The biggest problem is that school districts are often self-insured, no outside entity to pay for changes. In this case it'll be the taxpayers paying to demo the school (remembering that there could be asbestos issues making it very expensive to demolish) and to build a new one. You're looking at probably $30,000,000 minimum, possibly quite a bit more depending on local labor costs and permitting issues.

The Amish were able to demolish and rebuild a school because their school was very simple in construction and they had a lot of volunteer/community involvement, and had much less stringent building codes and systems in the school.

While there may be volunteers to help in Newtown or other surrounding municipalities, it's unlikely that they can get a volunteer force of sufficient size to make a realistic dent in the cost of the work.


That's what we have State and Federal grants for. Its not like we can expect one of the richest counties in the country to pay for the whims of their own sniveling snowflakes. That's about as preposterous as not using this to advance gun control.
 
TWX
2013-01-14 10:54:37 AM  

cig-mkr: It's none of our business, let the folks of Newtown decide.
Maybe Obama / Biden could use it as a back ground when they give their speech about assault rifles.
Sorry, too soon.


Why too soon?

As far as I'm concerned, it's both topical and appropriate. In fact, set the podium up in front of the wall with the most bullet holes in it.
 
2013-01-14 10:54:46 AM  

mltain: I say they need to get over themselves, people in the middle east go through worse on a weekly or even daily basis.


Besides what are the odds that it will happen again in the same place.
 
2013-01-14 10:55:05 AM  

ImRonBurgundy: PrivateCaboose: ImRonBurgundy: Maybe one of those KFC/Taco Bell/Pizza Huts. If there is enough room, add an A&W and Long John Silvers.

"Hey bro where you at?"
"I'm at the combination Pizza Hut and Taco Bell and KFC."

We just call it the Kentacohut


THIS IS WHAT WE CALL IT, TOO!

BROSNAP!
 
2013-01-14 10:56:16 AM  

ImRonBurgundy: Maybe one of those KFC/Taco Bell/Pizza Huts. If there is enough room, add an A&W and Long John Silvers.


Damn it, now I want to eat me one of them sadness piles in a failure bowl:

www.kfc.com
 
2013-01-14 10:56:53 AM  

CujoQuarrel: I'll go with turn it into a happy place where people go to visit to enjoy them selves

A strip club


therainracer.files.wordpress.com

I second that idea, as long as we keep the focus on the children...
 
2013-01-14 10:56:54 AM  
Yeah, it's a choice between "That's the building where all those kids died" and "That's the building that they built after all those kids died in the other one." Especially If they're going to rename the school after the principal or some other memorializing. In any case, it's going to continue to be a reminder of what happened there. Changing the scenery isn't going to help the kids who need help, that's what the school psychologist and counselors are for. Leave it up, reconfigure it, and go on living.
 
2013-01-14 10:58:18 AM  
i.imgur.com
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-14 10:58:25 AM  
Disco.
Open up a night club with Great White as the opening act?
 
2013-01-14 10:58:38 AM  

nekom: dittybopper: That would just encourage others to attack schools, knowing they'd get their little piece of infamy if they just tried hard enough.

I'm not criminal pathologist, but I somehow doubt that comes into play.  What happened here was the hallmark of a schizophrenic madman.  I don't think he was seeking any fame, I think he was just wholly off the rails.


Actually, there is some evidence that it does come into play, at least partly. They don't just snap because of a previous incident, but they see it as a way to have their grievances aired and discussed very publicly. Often, they *PLAN* for that sort of thing: Cho Seung-Hui mailed videotapes. Dylan and Klebold left diaries outlining their plans.
 
2013-01-14 10:58:44 AM  

valar_morghulis: I know, right? All those parents, friends and loved ones grieving their massacred babies need to get over themselves because of the Middle East. Totes. Glad you're the voice of reason here. What would we do without you?

/kill yourself




You think they would change their motto to Valar Dohaeris Valar Morghulis?

I'd buy the t-shirt.
 
2013-01-14 10:58:44 AM  
Rename it the Samuel Colt Elementary School to get away from the unfortunate connotations Sandy Hook now has.
 
2013-01-14 10:59:35 AM  
Why not turn it into a Planned Parenthood site?
 
2013-01-14 11:00:05 AM  
How about return it to a school.

Like the next freaking day.

shiat happens Timmy. We move on.

Lets continue to raise a nation of fear consumed, scared, pill popper kids that think wheb tragedy happens you need to bulldoze it.

Lets remove all the gravestones in Arlington Nat'l so we don't need to think about the loss of brave men in war.

Fricken' Nancies.
 
2013-01-14 11:02:30 AM  

TWX: kvinesknows: patch it up, reopen it

The biggest problem is that school districts are often self-insured, no outside entity to pay for changes. In this case it'll be the taxpayers paying to demo the school (remembering that there could be asbestos issues making it very expensive to demolish) and to build a new one. You're looking at probably $30,000,000 minimum, possibly quite a bit more depending on local labor costs and permitting issues.

The Amish were able to demolish and rebuild a school because their school was very simple in construction and they had a lot of volunteer/community involvement, and had much less stringent building codes and systems in the school.

While there may be volunteers to help in Newtown or other surrounding municipalities, it's unlikely that they can get a volunteer force of sufficient size to make a realistic dent in the cost of the work.


It's an affluent area. Median household income in the area is over $90,000. They can afford it.
 
2013-01-14 11:02:31 AM  
Turn it into a mental health facility.
 
2013-01-14 11:02:36 AM  
If the citizens want to have their taxes raised to pay the $millions it will cost to build a new elementary school then I guess that's their business. Stupid and unecessary and wasteful, but their business.

If they think they're just going to get another school for free, then they're crazy.

I think a reasonable approach would be to keep it vacant to the end of the school year (they already had to relocate the students to other arrangements this year) and then re-open it next fall like normal. It's a school - it's meant to be used.
 
2013-01-14 11:03:15 AM  

CujoQuarrel: I'll go with turn it into a happy place where people go to visit to enjoy them selves

A strip club


It could be elementary school themed.
 
2013-01-14 11:03:46 AM  
Community center.

They apparently have another school that the kids are already attending, so "schools are expensive to build" is not an issue it would seem.  Fix it up, leave certain areas as a memorial like Columbine has done, and then have it as a place that can bring the community together.

Half of my time in HS was spent in a math/science program in a former school that had been turned into a 'community building' (not for this reason, just because our school district was losing kids like crazy)... so on top of the math/science program there were also ESL classes, job fairs, robot building competitions, community theater, etc.  And if it needs to turn into a school again, wait until these kids are aged out.

/not my place to decide anyway, just my two cents
 
2013-01-14 11:03:55 AM  
Maybe we could cancel one of the schools we are building in Afghanistan or Iraq, or maybe reduce our aid to Egypt just enough to cover the costs.
 
2013-01-14 11:04:34 AM  
Take your fears and roll them up in a big ball, pile on with other mambypambies and pile the fears in a big mosh pit of self pity and shivering of bones.
Maybe a nice tissue would help. One with lotion.

Look, I am sorry for everybody's loss. But, EVERYBODY has losses. No special deals here, nobody gets out alive.


/get a grip on that media or lose all your Human Rights, you farkin' idiots
 
2013-01-14 11:05:17 AM  
"They've been moved to a school building about seven miles away in a neighboring town that has been renamed Sandy Hook Elementary School."

Moving the students away from a location where a traumatic event took place then renaming the new location after the old location seems... oxymoronic.
 
2013-01-14 11:05:25 AM  

nekom: kid_icarus: I'd say it couldn't be more unusable as a school if it were radioactive. Bulldoze it.

colinspooky: Keep it going just as was to show they are not going to be beaten by just one loon

See, there's the problem.  Those are both valid opinions.  The Amish bulldozed the schoolhouse after the horrible shooting there.  Conversely, I believe Columbine is still open (or am I wrong on that?).  Either school of thought is valid, and at the same time either option really sucks.


Yeah last I heard Columbine was open, But the library or cafateria was sealed off.
 
2013-01-14 11:05:47 AM  
I want them to close it.

Right now.
 
2013-01-14 11:06:02 AM  
They should turn it into a shrine for all the victims of mass shootings in the US. Then the NRA will be forced to nuke it from orbit. Only way to be sure you destroy every trace of these poor children's lives.
 
2013-01-14 11:06:17 AM  

lewismarktwo: Turn it into a mental health facility.


2 birds
1 stone.
 
2013-01-14 11:06:31 AM  
Just because something bad happened there does not diminish it's value as a building.

I think it should stay open but that the school board should allow any students who witnessed shootings to relocate to different school should their parents desire.

If the people in the area wish to build a new building I think that's OK so long as they pay some sort of tax over and above what they already pay in order to finance it but I would NOT want any existing educational dollars spent on demolishing the school because it haunts the memories of folks. Go get conventional therapy; we don't do therapy-by-bulldozer here.
 
2013-01-14 11:06:52 AM  
They should turn it into some kind of facility where they teach people skills to get jobs

...or something like that.
 
2013-01-14 11:06:59 AM  

cretinbob: I read the NRA wants to turn it into a rifle range.

//too soon?


Your window seat is waiting for you.

The place should be leveled and turned into a memorial. Funds can come from all the Federal tax dollars that Barrack Obama is saving since his administration declared that creating an armed presence in every school is "impractical", even though he also declared that measures that "even save one life" were worth taking.
 
2013-01-14 11:07:06 AM  

heypete: kvinesknows: Is there anyone left alive that saw actual shootings? or just people who were in the building in other rooms?

I seem to recall that there was at least one girl who was in one of the rooms the killer attacked and she survived by playing dead.

/I can't imagine the type of trauma that'd inflict on a kid. No words. :/


She was found underneath her classmates' bodies, too, so covered in blood the rescuers didn't think she was alive until she moved or said something.

Yeah she's going to have nightmares for a while.
 
2013-01-14 11:07:09 AM  

give me doughnuts: How about using it as a school?

Is Columbine High still a school? How about Virginia Tech?


BUT TINY CHILDREN!!!!!WHARRGARBL!!!!!!
 
2013-01-14 11:07:48 AM  

kid_icarus: I'd say it couldn't be more unusable as a school if it were radioactive. Bulldoze it.


I disagree. Their kids, their community, their school, their call. We who do not live there don't have the right to have an opinion on this one.
 
2013-01-14 11:08:08 AM  

valar_morghulis: Turn it into a memorial, with a ticker running up the number of American gun deaths since the incident.


And count only those like the ones in that school, who could not legally fire back.
 
2013-01-14 11:08:44 AM  

give me doughnuts: How about using it as a school?

Is Columbine High still a school? How about Virginia Tech?


maybe it has something to do with the age of the kids.  high schoolers and college kids can get over it, 3rd graders can't?
 
2013-01-14 11:10:14 AM  
A girl was killed in a bathroom at my high school, and all they did was lock it forever.

my locker for two years was right freaking next to that bathroom. ::shudder::
 
2013-01-14 11:10:19 AM  
Remenber, You are setting up an "entitlement".
All future mass killings, and there will be, will expect the same most favored status and demand the snowballing lottery of benefits showered on the standing abouts.

Everybody dies. Many violently. This is reality.
Whatcha gonna do?
 
2013-01-14 11:10:21 AM  

snocone: Take your fears and roll them up in a big ball, pile on with other mambypambies and pile the fears in a big mosh pit of self pity and shivering of bones.
Maybe a nice tissue would help. One with lotion.

Look, I am sorry for everybody's loss. But, EVERYBODY has losses. No special deals here, nobody gets out alive.

/get a grip on that media or lose all your Human Rights, you farkin' idiots


Twenty children just your age died here? Rub some dirt on it, kid, and glue that macaroni and glitter.
 
2013-01-14 11:12:12 AM  

limeyfellow: kvinesknows: patch it up, reopen it

This. The idea to level the place is silly. It be like suggesting they level Manhattan because some nut jobs damaged it and killed a bunch of people. If you cave in on every attack and act of violence, the world would get nowhere.


They shoulda just patched up the Twin Towers!
 
2013-01-14 11:12:13 AM  

groppet: nekom: kid_icarus: I'd say it couldn't be more unusable as a school if it were radioactive. Bulldoze it.

colinspooky: Keep it going just as was to show they are not going to be beaten by just one loon

See, there's the problem.  Those are both valid opinions.  The Amish bulldozed the schoolhouse after the horrible shooting there.  Conversely, I believe Columbine is still open (or am I wrong on that?).  Either school of thought is valid, and at the same time either option really sucks.

Yeah last I heard Columbine was open, But the library or cafateria was sealed off.


According to wikipedia:

After the shootings, Columbine completely demolished its library, located above the cafeteria, since it was the site where thirteen of the deaths occurred. The site was then turned into a memorial ceiling and atrium; a new, larger library was built on the hill where the shooting began and dedicated to the memory of the victims

I think this is reasonable. It's impractical to demolish buildings every time a tragedy occurs (nor do I think that we should, it feels like a form of denial), but remodeling and adding a memorial makes sense.
 
2013-01-14 11:13:01 AM  

nekom: The Amish bulldozed


they drive bulldozers?

JK, it's right across the road from my Aunt's house.
Worse for her, They were all close friends, and she was also a teacher.

Believe it or not. . . She got over it.
 
2013-01-14 11:13:38 AM  

kvinesknows: TWX: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Take a lesson from the Amish and follow their example.

After the Amish school shooting they quietly tore down the building and rebuilt a new school.

kvinesknows: patch it up, reopen it

The biggest problem is that school districts are often self-insured, no outside entity to pay for changes. In this case it'll be the taxpayers paying to demo the school (remembering that there could be asbestos issues making it very expensive to demolish) and to build a new one. You're looking at probably $30,000,000 minimum, possibly quite a bit more depending on local labor costs and permitting issues.

The Amish were able to demolish and rebuild a school because their school was very simple in construction and they had a lot of volunteer/community involvement, and had much less stringent building codes and systems in the school.

While there may be volunteers to help in Newtown or other surrounding municipalities, it's unlikely that they can get a volunteer force of sufficient size to make a realistic dent in the cost of the work.

exactly... no matter WHAT level of government would step up to pay to demolish it and build a new one its still the same taxpayer. And if they have 30 to 60 million for a demo and new build.. I would hazard a guess that money would be better spent on real education issues.


Given this, I would hazard a guess that they'd be more likely to spend $60 million on a demo and rebuild than a penny on real education issues.

Especially if they have to rely on Congress for funding to do anything regarding the school. With the GOP having a majority in the House and a cloture-proof "majority" in the Senate, the funding bill for rebuilding and recovering from the shooting would most likely explicitly prohibit any of the money from being used for "real education issues" and/or require Connecticut to become a Shall Issue/Open Carry state
 
2013-01-14 11:15:04 AM  

snocone: Remenber, You are setting up an "entitlement".
All future mass killings, and there will be, will expect the same most favored status and demand the snowballing lottery of benefits showered on the standing abouts.

Everybody dies. Many violently. This is reality.
Whatcha gonna do?


Sounds like a post from Jezebel.
 
2013-01-14 11:15:05 AM  
FTA: "A month after the shooting".

Fer crying out loud, move it along.
Did the Pearl Harbor thingie get this press?
 
2013-01-14 11:15:12 AM  

TWX: The Amish were able to demolish and rebuild a school because their school was very simple in construction and they had a lot of volunteer/community involvement, and had much less stringent building codes and systems in the school.

While there may be volunteers to help in Newtown or other surrounding municipalities, it's unlikely that they can get a volunteer force of sufficient size to make a realistic dent in the cost of the work.


The Amish hired an outside contractor to knock down that school in the dead of night with modern equipment.

i.i.com.com
 
2013-01-14 11:15:16 AM  
It's just a building. Hose it out, patch up the holes, and reopen it.
 
2013-01-14 11:15:57 AM  
www.utexas.edu

Bad things happen just about everywhere. Sack up and move on.

People want to fetishize the site of politically-valuable events so they can continue to extract political value from them. Shocker.
 
2013-01-14 11:16:06 AM  

valar_morghulis: mltain: I say they need to get over themselves, people in the middle east go through worse on a weekly or even daily basis.

I know, right? All those parents, friends and loved ones grieving their massacred babies need to get over themselves because of the Middle East. Totes. Glad you're the voice of reason here. What would we do without you?

/kill yourself


And yet you managed to become a messedup person despite not being involved in a mass murder. Funny how things work out.
 
2013-01-14 11:16:45 AM  

TheOther: snocone: Take your fears and roll them up in a big ball, pile on with other mambypambies and pile the fears in a big mosh pit of self pity and shivering of bones.
Maybe a nice tissue would help. One with lotion.

Look, I am sorry for everybody's loss. But, EVERYBODY has losses. No special deals here, nobody gets out alive.

/get a grip on that media or lose all your Human Rights, you farkin' idiots

Twenty children just your age died here? Rub some dirt on it, kid, and glue that macaroni and glitter.


My dad woulda just told me to walk it off.
 
2013-01-14 11:18:28 AM  

SpectroBoy: baltimoreblonde: How about remodeling it, but for the next batch of elementary school kids. Don't make the ones who were there go back.

That's what I am thinking. Wait until these kids are old enough for the next level of school while remodeling it. Then put the next batch of kids back in Newtown.


Thirded.
 
2013-01-14 11:19:20 AM  

valar_morghulis: snocone: Remenber, You are setting up an "entitlement".
All future mass killings, and there will be, will expect the same most favored status and demand the snowballing lottery of benefits showered on the standing abouts.

Everybody dies. Many violently. This is reality.
Whatcha gonna do?

Sounds like a post from Jezebel.


???
"In The Bloudy Tenent of Persecution for Cause of Conscience, Roger Williams, the founder of the American colony of Rhode Island and the co-founder of the First Baptist Church in America, wrote of Naboth's story as an example of how God disfavored the use of government force in religious matters. Williams believed using force in the name of religion would lead to political persecution, contrary to the Bible's teachings."
 
2013-01-14 11:19:30 AM  

Aigoo: We who do not live there don't have the right to have an opinion on this


Can't have an opinion just because we don't live there? Are you stoned, or just stupid?
 
2013-01-14 11:19:54 AM  

baltimoreblonde: How about remodeling it, but for the next batch of elementary school kids. Don't make the ones who were there go back.


Exactly what I was thinking. The next group may know what happened there, but it won't be personal to them in a traumatizing way. Keep it closed until the kids who were there are old enough to be at other schools, then reopen it for a new group wholly disconnected from the incident.

I wonder if the residents of the town will be so enthusiastic about tearing it down and building a new one if they realize that their property taxes are going to go up to pay for it...
 
2013-01-14 11:20:23 AM  

Wangiss: valar_morghulis: mltain: I say they need to get over themselves, people in the middle east go through worse on a weekly or even daily basis.

I know, right? All those parents, friends and loved ones grieving their massacred babies need to get over themselves because of the Middle East. Totes. Glad you're the voice of reason here. What would we do without you?

/kill yourself

And yet you managed to become a messedup person despite not being involved in a mass murder. Funny how things work out.


i.imgur.com

But thanks for playing.
 
2013-01-14 11:20:28 AM  

SlothB77: maybe it has something to do with the age of the kids.  high schoolers and college kids can get over it, 3rd graders can't?


The opposite is true.
http://www.grupoasv.com/en/prensa/sometimes-children-cope-with-life-a n d-death-better-than-adults-do/
 
2013-01-14 11:20:31 AM  
Harry! Quit disrupting the class. Go over and stand where Johnny was shot! Not where Meredeth was wounded, you idiot. Where Johnny was shot! Now think about what you've done and try to ignore the tortured cries of anguish that you will hear as you stand in the lonely corner.

"Oh please Misses Graham! I'll be good! I hear the cries of the wounded and the staccato sounds of shell casings hitting the floor. I see their faces! Their souless eyes beckon me to join them! I'll be good!"

Five more minutes, Freakstorm.
 
2013-01-14 11:21:59 AM  

valar_morghulis: snocone: Remenber, You are setting up an "entitlement".
All future mass killings, and there will be, will expect the same most favored status and demand the snowballing lottery of benefits showered on the standing abouts.

Everybody dies. Many violently. This is reality.
Whatcha gonna do?

Sounds like a post from Jezebel.


I don't see any mention of "white male privilege". Clearly not a post from Jezebel.
 
2013-01-14 11:22:34 AM  

cretinbob: I read the NRA wants to turn it into a rifle range.

//too soon?


What are you insane?!!?

Paintball!! Paintball in abandoned school type buildings are hella fun!
 
2013-01-14 11:22:50 AM  

snocone: valar_morghulis: snocone: Remenber, You are setting up an "entitlement".
All future mass killings, and there will be, will expect the same most favored status and demand the snowballing lottery of benefits showered on the standing abouts.

Everybody dies. Many violently. This is reality.
Whatcha gonna do?

Sounds like a post from Jezebel.

???
"In The Bloudy Tenent of Persecution for Cause of Conscience, Roger Williams, the founder of the American colony of Rhode Island and the co-founder of the First Baptist Church in America, wrote of Naboth's story as an example of how God disfavored the use of government force in religious matters. Williams believed using force in the name of religion would lead to political persecution, contrary to the Bible's teachings."


Oh, my bad. Didn't realize a Gawker website was so obscure. Heh.

"Jezebel" is the name of a feminist website. Its commentators are fond of shutting down arguments by citing "privilege" -- i.e., to a white male who holds a contrary viewpoint: "Your privilege is showing." Etc.
 
2013-01-14 11:23:28 AM  

ChuDogg: valar_morghulis: snocone: Remenber, You are setting up an "entitlement".
All future mass killings, and there will be, will expect the same most favored status and demand the snowballing lottery of benefits showered on the standing abouts.

Everybody dies. Many violently. This is reality.
Whatcha gonna do?

Sounds like a post from Jezebel.

I don't see any mention of "white male privilege". Clearly not a post from Jezebel.


Yeah, I overplayed my hand.
 
2013-01-14 11:25:08 AM  
Tear it down and turn it into a memorial and park.
 
2013-01-14 11:25:54 AM  
....I don't believe that one psychopath - who I refuse to name - ....

Voldemort?
 
2013-01-14 11:29:57 AM  

colinspooky: Keep it going just as was to show they are not going to be beaten by just one loon


Honor it. Memorialize it. And fill it with children again so the hallways echo with laughter instead of sorrow.
 
2013-01-14 11:34:35 AM  

dittybopper: kid_icarus: I'd say it couldn't be more unusable as a school if it were radioactive. Bulldoze it.

I say the opposite. Remodel it, and reopen it. To do otherwise would mean Lanza *WON*, even in death. Place a plaque somewhere, rename it after the principal, whatever you feel you need to memorialize those who died, but DO NOT bulldoze it. That would just encourage others to attack schools, knowing they'd get their little piece of infamy if they just tried hard enough.


Lanza didn't win shiat. He was a scared, confused, and angry asshole, and now he's dead. Put up a park with a memorial to the victims, and let the shooter lie in an unmarked grave, forgotten.
 
2013-01-14 11:38:31 AM  

mltain: I say they need to get over themselves, people in the middle east go through worse on a weekly or even daily basis.


Losing a child is incredibly painful for any parent, anywhere in the world. But the last time I checked, most people have a hard time averaging more than one kid a year. Nobody but David could lose a child a week for more than a few weeks.
 
2013-01-14 11:39:46 AM  
Great. Now creative PTAs are going hire people to shoot children in run-down schools to get funding for remodeling.
 
2013-01-14 11:40:13 AM  

ImRonBurgundy: PrivateCaboose: ImRonBurgundy: Maybe one of those KFC/Taco Bell/Pizza Huts. If there is enough room, add an A&W and Long John Silvers.

"Hey bro where you at?"
"I'm at the combination Pizza Hut and Taco Bell and KFC."

We just call it the Kentacohut


We called that the Kentucky Pizza Fried Taco Hut Bell Chicken.

Text messages were unnecessarily long, and organizing a trip there was difficult when we were drunk and/or under the influence.
 
2013-01-14 11:42:49 AM  
Burn it! Burn it to the ground!
 
2013-01-14 11:44:01 AM  

groppet: nekom: kid_icarus: I'd say it couldn't be more unusable as a school if it were radioactive. Bulldoze it.

colinspooky: Keep it going just as was to show they are not going to be beaten by just one loon

See, there's the problem.  Those are both valid opinions.  The Amish bulldozed the schoolhouse after the horrible shooting there.  Conversely, I believe Columbine is still open (or am I wrong on that?).  Either school of thought is valid, and at the same time either option really sucks.

Yeah last I heard Columbine was open, But the library or cafateria was sealed off.


Don't know if anyone has posted these yet. I wish there was a "before/after" aspect to these pictures, but the page at least explains what they did to remodel Columbine.
 
2013-01-14 11:44:18 AM  
That sound you hear is another million guns slipping from the hands of "responsible" gun owners into the hands of criminals.
 
2013-01-14 11:46:26 AM  
How many grades go to that school? Next year will have a whole new group of kids who only know what parents have told them.
 
2013-01-14 11:49:52 AM  

The Larch: Nobody but David could lose a child a week for more than a few weeks.


experimentiv.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-14 11:51:30 AM  
Read Alex Jones and explore the internet Sheeple! This shiat never happened in the first place. It is all a conspiracy. You have been duped morons.
 
2013-01-14 11:51:40 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: Harry! Quit disrupting the class. Go over and stand where Johnny was shot! Not where Meredeth was wounded, you idiot. Where Johnny was shot! Now think about what you've done and try to ignore the tortured cries of anguish that you will hear as you stand in the lonely corner.

"Oh please Misses Graham! I'll be good! I hear the cries of the wounded and the staccato sounds of shell casings hitting the floor. I see their faces! Their souless eyes beckon me to join them! I'll be good!"

Five more minutes, Freakstorm.


The world inside your head is too disturbing. No gun for you. For that matter, I think you're late for your appointment with the men in the nice white coats who will bring you your happy shot and the jacket with the really long sleeves that tie together in back.
 
2013-01-14 11:53:21 AM  

Sin_City_Superhero: The Larch: Nobody but David could lose a child a week for more than a few weeks.

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That one kid in the front is all like "fark yeah, my oldest brother's hand me downs will be back in style by the time I'm old enough to wear them"
 
2013-01-14 11:56:25 AM  

GORDON: colinspooky: Keep it going just as was to show they are not going to be beaten by just one loon

Honor it. Memorialize it. And fill it with children again so the hallways echo with laughter instead of sorrow.


This. So much this.
 
2013-01-14 11:57:01 AM  
I know what i would do:

First, keep the school running

Second, I would commission a bronze memorial to be made and placed at the front of the school. The memorial would be a scene depicting a life size version of each child that was lost that day playing and having fun at recess, with the teacher lost that day watching over them. A name placard with the names, and birthday of each of them...

Just my idea...
 
2013-01-14 11:57:11 AM  

cretinbob: I read the NRA wants to turn it into a rifle range.

//too soon?


Not at all, came here to say this.

/fark never disappoints
 
2013-01-14 11:57:14 AM  

DaSwankOne: Read Alex Jones and explore the internet Sheeple! This shiat never happened in the first place. It is all a conspiracy. You have been duped morons.



I wonder how much he gets paid by the banking gangsters and defense contractors to keep the waters muddied.
 
2013-01-14 11:58:50 AM  

groppet: nekom: kid_icarus: I'd say it couldn't be more unusable as a school if it were radioactive. Bulldoze it.

colinspooky: Keep it going just as was to show they are not going to be beaten by just one loon

See, there's the problem.  Those are both valid opinions.  The Amish bulldozed the schoolhouse after the horrible shooting there.  Conversely, I believe Columbine is still open (or am I wrong on that?).  Either school of thought is valid, and at the same time either option really sucks.

Yeah last I heard Columbine was open, But the library or cafateria was sealed off.


That started out like a joke and now I'm disappointed in this here window seat.
 
2013-01-14 12:00:01 PM  

CeroX: I know what i would do:

First, keep the school running

Second, I would commission a bronze memorial to be made and placed at the front of the school. The memorial would be a scene depicting a life size version of each child that was lost that day playing and having fun at recess, with the teacher lost that day watching over them. A name placard with the names, and birthday of each of them...

Just my idea...


Holy hell man! Have you seen the price of copper these days?! They'd have to have an armed guard there night and day to keep the thieves away......

On second thought I love this idea.
 
2013-01-14 12:00:56 PM  

incendi: One of my idiot friends shared that video on facebook this morning with this comment:
"I wish the president would answer some questions

What weapon was used
The examiner says rifle but can't say what caliber
Initial reports have 2 not 4 handguns inside

I'm not being insensitive to the event just curious to the facts in play"


Ah, the siren call of a conspiracy nut.  Remember the troofers?  "I'm just asking questions."

No, you're not.  You're an idiot.
 
2013-01-14 12:02:02 PM  

heypete: kvinesknows: Is there anyone left alive that saw actual shootings? or just people who were in the building in other rooms?

I seem to recall that there was at least one girl who was in one of the rooms the killer attacked and she survived by playing dead.

/I can't imagine the type of trauma that'd inflict on a kid. No words. :/


My wife is like that when I want to have sex.
 
2013-01-14 12:02:13 PM  

stuffy: How many grades go to that school? Next year will have a whole new group of kids who only know what parents have told them.


As a parent, you have to explain things to you kids. Some parents are just really bad at it. I was always very straightforward with my son when he was growing up. It would usually start with something like "Dude, we need to sit down, cuz mommy needs to talk to you."

BTW, my son witnessed a stabbing in the cafeteria when he was in Jr High many years ago. We talked about it when I got the call to pick him up and he went right back to school the next day. He's perfectly fine, just because we did talk about it, I think. People just got to roll with what goes on in life, traumatic or not.

/I still have a sad for those people, just think they need to start healing
//hiding from it or pretending it never happened is not how you heal
 
2013-01-14 12:02:48 PM  
Reopen it, tear down the buildings where people were killed, remodel those sections with a garden or some other memorial, and move on. Allow kids who don't want to go back to that location the ability to transfer permanently to another school in the district. These kids are looking to the adults in their community for an example of how to act in the face of tragedy. If we wring our hands and refuse to use the school again, we are teaching them that the proper reaction is to be a whiny little coward that runs from terrible things instead of confronting them head-on. I'd be scared to death to go back if I were a child there, but doing so we teach me some valuable life lessons about courage and integrity.
 
2013-01-14 12:04:08 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: I wonder how much he gets paid by the banking gangsters and defense contractors to keep the waters muddied.


Jones and Beck are just plain old snake oil salesmen. First they tell you about the pending doom, and then they sell you the gold and dried food you'll need to survive it.
 
2013-01-14 12:04:09 PM  
Radon!

They should just say they detected high levels of radon.
 
2013-01-14 12:04:17 PM  

SpectroBoy: On the other hand.... would you REALLY send your 6 year old back to the SAME ROOM where he saw his little friends splattered all over the wall??


He'll be 9 or 10 at least won't be in that classroom anymore.
 
2013-01-14 12:06:40 PM  

hockeychick: GORDON: colinspooky: Keep it going just as was to show they are not going to be beaten by just one loon

Honor it. Memorialize it. And fill it with children again so the hallways echo with laughter instead of sorrow.

This. So much this.


Or erase it and put in its place a children's park and learning center. A building with sections shut off forever (as with Columbine apparently) isn't a school, it's a place waiting for the "Ghost Adventures" crew to come set up an overnight vigil on, creeping out future generations who will wonder why the whole place wasn't bulldozed.
 
2013-01-14 12:07:21 PM  
Turn it into a surprise punch in the face museum
 
2013-01-14 12:09:58 PM  
I'm sure happy that we're raising our children in such a way that they'll grow up to be sentimental twats who expect the rest of the world to change in order to accommodate their feelings.
 
2013-01-14 12:12:20 PM  
Turn it into a facility the treats mental illness. That's what this debate needs to be about anyway
 
2013-01-14 12:13:03 PM  

Glancing Blow: My wife is like that when I want to have sex.


Here we are having a serous discussion about solving the world's problems any you make me giggle like that.


Love ya
 
2013-01-14 12:14:39 PM  

xynix: TWX: The biggest problem is that school districts are often self-insured, no outside entity to pay for changes. In this case it'll be the taxpayers paying to demo the school (remembering that there could be asbestos issues making it very expensive to demolish) and to build a new one. You're looking at probably $30,000,000 minimum, possibly quite a bit more depending on local labor costs and permitting issues.

The Amish were able to demolish and rebuild a school because their school was very simple in construction and they had a lot of volunteer/community involvement, and had much less stringent building codes and systems in the school.

While there may be volunteers to help in Newtown or other surrounding municipalities, it's unlikely that they can get a volunteer force of sufficient size to make a realistic dent in the cost of the work.

Seriously.. All the Amish do is build buildings and make candles. Also some heater or something.. I know there is an Amish Heater out there somewhere.


Damn nice furniture too. And sausage. I gain about sixty pounds just walking through the parking lot of the local Amish Market.
 
2013-01-14 12:15:17 PM  
They should reopen the school, THEN bulldoze it. Gonna want to chain the doors shut, though, so the little buggers can't run...
 
2013-01-14 12:15:34 PM  
Have every DIY, TLC, HGTV and ABC home remodeling show come over and rebuilt and remodel that biatch.
 
2013-01-14 12:16:04 PM  
They could make it into a training facility for teachers, principals and children to practice drills with their guns.

/obviously
 
2013-01-14 12:16:20 PM  
Too lazy to read all the comments, but I suggest an insane asylum.
 
2013-01-14 12:20:30 PM  
use it as a school again.

didn't people sling around a quote: "the terrorists win if we can't return to our normal lives."

if we keep cordoning off every building or street that is shot up, where will we live? it sounds a bit callous but they (the children and educators) are gone and we're here.
 
2013-01-14 12:21:33 PM  
A kid got shot in my 3rd grade classroom during silent reading, It was an accident, he brought the gun to school on a dare and his backpack fell off his desk and the gun discharged, hitting him in the leg.

We were back in class the next day.
 
2013-01-14 12:22:05 PM  
Have a gun show as a fund raiser, remodel it, problem solved.
 
2013-01-14 12:22:11 PM  

nekom: kid_icarus: I'd say it couldn't be more unusable as a school if it were radioactive. Bulldoze it.

colinspooky: Keep it going just as was to show they are not going to be beaten by just one loon

See, there's the problem.  Those are both valid opinions.  The Amish bulldozed the schoolhouse after the horrible shooting there.  Conversely, I believe Columbine is still open (or am I wrong on that?).  Either school of thought is valid, and at the same time either option really sucks.


And, as astonishing as it may be, the individual kids, parents, and teachers may all have different reactions and needs. Some will just shrug it off or be a little sad for a while and occasionally thereafter. Some will be very, very sad. Some may have various PTSD reactions that are hard to trace to this event decades into the future. I personally wouldn't want to go back, but I also wouldn't raze it. I would let students and teachers transfer or stay.
 
2013-01-14 12:22:37 PM  

stpauler: Laser tag arena!


I run a restaurant within a facility that has a go-kart track, luxury bowling alley, arcade, etc. The plan for Spring was to add a dual-level tactical laser tag area. We were expecting huge crowds.

Not on the docket any longer. It sucks. I get it, but it sucks.
 
2013-01-14 12:23:55 PM  

The Larch: dittybopper: kid_icarus: I'd say it couldn't be more unusable as a school if it were radioactive. Bulldoze it.

I say the opposite. Remodel it, and reopen it. To do otherwise would mean Lanza *WON*, even in death. Place a plaque somewhere, rename it after the principal, whatever you feel you need to memorialize those who died, but DO NOT bulldoze it. That would just encourage others to attack schools, knowing they'd get their little piece of infamy if they just tried hard enough.

Lanza didn't win shiat. He was a scared, confused, and angry asshole, and now he's dead. Put up a park with a memorial to the victims, and let the shooter lie in an unmarked grave, forgotten.


He won notoriety. Deny him that. Tearing down the school and putting up a park will just perpetuate it. You do that, then the next sixth-standard-deviation wacko will see that shooting up a school is a viable strategy for attaining infamy.

If you just remodel the school and put it back to it's original purpose, then there is less motivation for the next person to do it. Armed guards, whether formal or informal, do the same: One almost never hears of mass shootings at police stations or gun ranges, and when they do happen, they tend to be of limited scope because the intended targets are armed.
 
2013-01-14 12:24:01 PM  
Town officials also are planning private meetings with the victims' families to get their input.

Why? Their kids don't go there any more.

/kidding!
 
2013-01-14 12:24:03 PM  

BigNumber12: I'm sure happy that we're raising our children in such a way that they'll grow up to be sentimental twats who expect the rest of the world to change in order to accommodate their feelings.


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2013-01-14 12:25:09 PM  
Turn it into a school for the retards. They won't know the difference.

/trolling
//next school year rename it after the principal, turn the classroom into a memorial, and move on
 
2013-01-14 12:26:00 PM  
The Sandy Hook Center for Second Amendment Rights
 
2013-01-14 12:27:33 PM  
Airsoft arena?
 
2013-01-14 12:31:30 PM  
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2013-01-14 12:32:19 PM  
Clean it.
Paint it.
Get on with it.
 
2013-01-14 12:33:25 PM  

hdhale: hockeychick: GORDON: colinspooky: Keep it going just as was to show they are not going to be beaten by just one loon

Honor it. Memorialize it. And fill it with children again so the hallways echo with laughter instead of sorrow.

This. So much this.

Or erase it and put in its place a children's park and learning center. A building with sections shut off forever (as with Columbine apparently) isn't a school, it's a place waiting for the "Ghost Adventures" crew to come set up an overnight vigil on, creeping out future generations who will wonder why the whole place wasn't bulldozed.


From my understanding (reading Dave Cullen's book, Columbine) is that the school remodeled, moved, and reconfigured some of the bad areas. Maybe a classroom or two isn't used anymore (one of the teachers bled out in one of the classes), but I can't remember if it was ever addressed in that particular book. However, the the major areas (library, commons, school entrance) were changed significantly.
 
2013-01-14 12:34:56 PM  
Good God there are a lot of trolls in here.

But, to be perfectly clear: our town, our kids' school, Fark You, we'll decide.
 
2013-01-14 12:36:38 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Community center.

They apparently have another school that the kids are already attending, so "schools are expensive to build" is not an issue it would seem.  Fix it up, leave certain areas as a memorial like Columbine has done, and then have it as a place that can bring the community together.

Half of my time in HS was spent in a math/science program in a former school that had been turned into a 'community building' (not for this reason, just because our school district was losing kids like crazy)... so on top of the math/science program there were also ESL classes, job fairs, robot building competitions, community theater, etc.  And if it needs to turn into a school again, wait until these kids are aged out.

/not my place to decide anyway, just my two cents


Similar situation where I grew up in Kalmazoo, although the school that became the math/science building was a former high school that had been replaced.

Closer to where I grew up, a wealthy family had donated the land for building a new high school, as well as a million dollars to get started .. so they built a new high school, converted the old high school to an elementary school, and bulldozed the elementary that I went to .. which was probably fair to do considering that it had originally been 3 giant buildings that were the entire school system for the community, built back in the 40's, and two of the buildings were in terrible disrepair, and the third one needed more in renovation costs than building the new school, just to patch up the floors/ceilings/walls/electrical.

Sometimes old is good, sometimes old is just old.
 
2013-01-14 12:39:07 PM  
America. Home of the super pussies.

It's a school. Get back to schooling.
 
2013-01-14 12:39:29 PM  

FormlessOne: nekom: It's a tough call.  All I can really say is it's entirely their business what they decide to do with it.

I hope it remains Sandy Hook Elementary School, as is, and that the community doesn't turn it into anything other than a demonstration that a single crazed individual can't destroy what took them so long to build. Open the doors, talk to the kids, get back to teaching, and continue forward.


This, this and this.
 
2013-01-14 12:39:55 PM  
I'm with the keep it as a school, but how bout replace the glass with bullet proof glass. Honestly, this school may of been the best self-protected school in the nation. Aside from nutzos that think everyone should be fully armed at all times, they a good communicaiton system in place, and non-students and stuff were locked out once school started. The fact that the shooter had to blast the door open, plus the willingness of the Principle to face the shooter head on, helped saved countless lives. I know it's not something you think about when you're dealing with murdered children, but it could of been a lot worse. Imagine if the shooter was able to enter the school unnoticed until he reached his first classroom?
 
2013-01-14 12:44:00 PM  

unLurked: Good God there are a lot of trolls in here.

But, to be perfectly clear: our town, our kids' school, Fark You, we'll decide.



Fund reconstruction 100% locally and most people will be happy to let you.
 
2013-01-14 12:44:33 PM  
I say re-open the school as-is, allow the students who don't want to return to transfer elsewhere, and let the returning students decide if/how to honor their fallen classmates. Getting students involved in creating a memorial garden or something could go a long way towards healing.
 
2013-01-14 12:45:11 PM  

unLurked: Good God there are a lot of trolls in here.

But, to be perfectly clear: our town, our kids' school, Fark You, we'll decide.


waaaaa

shut up. You want the wolds sympathy, support and outrage you damn well better welcome the worlds opinion on the matter to.
 
2013-01-14 12:45:46 PM  
When a Starfleet cadet was killed during a training flight shortly before graduation, there was talk that they should postpone the commencement activities. But ultimately they decided that it was important to teach the students that life must go on in spite of tragedy.

Keep the school as is.
 
2013-01-14 12:48:54 PM  

ImRonBurgundy: Maybe one of those KFC/Taco Bell/Pizza Huts. If there is enough room, add an A&W and Long John Silvers.


Add a comic and book shop, a movie theater complex, a cos-play and Japanese culture store, a gaming store, toy shop and a cafe where you can gather with friends to sit and play table top games and you have your first ever mega-geek mall.
 
2013-01-14 12:49:06 PM  

kvinesknows: shut up. You want the wolds sympathy, support and outrage you damn well better welcome the worlds opinion on the matter to.


This as well.
 
2013-01-14 12:49:32 PM  
I vote for "If you're not from Newtown, stfu." as what they do with the building.
 
2013-01-14 12:50:07 PM  
Or we make it Charlton Heston's Tomb.
 
2013-01-14 12:50:16 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: I vote for "If you're not from Newtown, stfu." as what they do with the building.


Well, I vote that they make it the world's premier full-nude gentlemen's cabaret, so fark you.
 
2013-01-14 12:54:18 PM  
It's only money right, tear it down and build another one that serves the exact same purpose in it's place...
 
2013-01-14 12:56:07 PM  
Turn it into the Joe Biden Vice Presidential Library and Hair Restorium.
 
2013-01-14 12:56:26 PM  
There are a lot of people who don't want to be in a place where someone else died violently. Consider the problems with selling a house when a murder or suicide has taken place there. So there's that in favor of replacing the school with something else.

On the other hand, there's the question of where we draw the line. If we tear down a school where 26 people were murdered, how about 25? 20? 15? 10? 5? 2? Is just one murder sufficient? If not, why is one person's life not important enough but some other number is? This winds up opening up a very large and very, very squirmy can of worms.

All in all, I'm leaning to the "clean it up and keep using it" approach, though allowing anyone who wants to transfer elsewhere to do so.
 
2013-01-14 12:57:39 PM  

give me doughnuts: How about using it as a school?

Is Columbine High still a school? How about Virginia Tech?


Virginia Tech hasn't been a high school for several decades...
 
2013-01-14 12:57:55 PM  

kvinesknows: unLurked: Good God there are a lot of trolls in here.

But, to be perfectly clear: our town, our kids' school, Fark You, we'll decide.

waaaaa

shut up. You want the wolds sympathy, support and outrage you damn well better welcome the worlds opinion on the matter to.


So, just to be clear, you think that by being a sane human being and having compassion for murdered innocents, you think you should have a say in how the community deals with both the emotional and logistical responses to that tragedy. Would you like to some down and tell the counselors how to schedule their time, too, or make a suggestion as to which churches should have spaghetti dinners versus Sunday brunches?
 
2013-01-14 12:59:36 PM  

unLurked: kvinesknows: unLurked: Good God there are a lot of trolls in here.

But, to be perfectly clear: our town, our kids' school, Fark You, we'll decide.

waaaaa

shut up. You want the wolds sympathy, support and outrage you damn well better welcome the worlds opinion on the matter to.

So, just to be clear, you think that by being a sane human being and having compassion for murdered innocents, you think you should have a say in how the community deals with both the emotional and logistical responses to that tragedy. Would you like to some down and tell the counselors how to schedule their time, too, or make a suggestion as to which churches should have spaghetti dinners versus Sunday brunches?


All churches should have pancake breakfasts, you Protestant heathen.
 
2013-01-14 12:59:54 PM  
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Holy Fark that's a lot bigger than I thought it was.

Second thought there is no way you bulldoze that thing.

Training grounds or reopen

CSB time:

You know what my son's elementary schools answer to Sandy Hook? We now have to log in on a computer to walk our kids to class. That's a joke. They already remodeled the school so that you have to walk directly though the admin office/waiting area to get into the school, nice thought but that just means they are the first to get a bullet. I guess that give the kids more time to get out. Before Sandy Hook I asked the Principal "great so everyone has to walk though here. So what's stopping me from going right though" I'm really active at the school and she knows me, so she knew it wasn't a threat it was just an honest question her answer was "nothing, this just give 911 more time to get someone here". FYI they had an altercation there last year (swear it had nothing to do with me) and took the police over thirty minutes to get there. I'm sure it would have been faster if they said shots fired but still violence at the school and I could have gotten a pizza faster?? Not good enough. I'm thinking they need the same system jewelery store have. Make them buzz in
 
2013-01-14 01:01:24 PM  

Dr._Michael_Hfuhruhurr: America. Home of the super pussies.

It's a school. Get back to schooling.


AMEN.
 
2013-01-14 01:01:49 PM  

unLurked: So, just to be clear, you think that by being a sane human being and having compassion for murdered innocents, you think you should have a say in how the community deals with both the emotional and logistical responses to that tragedy.



How are any of us demanding a say? You came here to read people's opinions, just like the rest of us have to put up with every last tearful interview of the barely-involved every time we turn on the news. Grow some thicker skin.
 
2013-01-14 01:06:01 PM  
What happened to America? When did we start running away from our own ugliness?

"Bulldoze it." How asinine.

Clean it up. Paint it. Send them back to school.

Stop raising wimps.
 
2013-01-14 01:09:42 PM  

Thunderpipes: Waste of a perfectly good school, massive waste of taxpayer dollars if they don't keep using it.

Kids are resilient, much more than we let them be in the media.


Yeah, this is my leaning. It's a waste of tens of million dollars of taxpayer money if they tear it down.
 
2013-01-14 01:09:44 PM  
I am a little confused as to how that dude got in to the school so easily to start with.
They say that a new security system had been put in place so that you have to be buzzed in. Yet, it seems all this guy had to do was fire a couple of shots at a glass door and it shattered. Voila. Instant entry. That seems like pretty shoddy security to me.

My kid's school has that same "buzz-in" system (and so does the school my wife works at). And the doors are solid steel with a little, thin window, with wire inside. So there is pretty much no way to force entry into that building.

In other words... I'm sure that hindsight is 20/20, so they know where the mistakes were made in that construction. Why did it take something like last month's thingy to bring attention to it?
 
2013-01-14 01:11:30 PM  

SimKey: What happened to America? When did we start running away from our own ugliness?


When did that start?! Normally we give it a tv show.

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2013-01-14 01:13:38 PM  
Does Newtown have a Super Walmart? They already build stores on sacred Indian burial grounds, so they probably wouldn't mind.
 
2013-01-14 01:16:39 PM  

SimKey: Clean it up. Paint it. Send them back to school.


Not red, though.
 
2013-01-14 01:16:46 PM  

durbnpoisn: I am a little confused as to how that dude got in to the school so easily to start with.
They say that a new security system had been put in place so that you have to be buzzed in. Yet, it seems all this guy had to do was fire a couple of shots at a glass door and it shattered. Voila. Instant entry. That seems like pretty shoddy security to me.

My kid's school has that same "buzz-in" system (and so does the school my wife works at). And the doors are solid steel with a little, thin window, with wire inside. So there is pretty much no way to force entry into that building.

In other words... I'm sure that hindsight is 20/20, so they know where the mistakes were made in that construction. Why did it take something like last month's thingy to bring attention to it?


1) It can't happen here mentality. They just need to put on a good show, we won't really need it
2) Start pointing out all the weaknesses in a school's security and people will start looking at you as a nut. Like I said before, I knew the Principal and she knew me, I was still nervous about bring it up.
 
2013-01-14 01:17:50 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: SimKey: What happened to America? When did we start running away from our own ugliness?

When did that start?! Normally we give it a tv show.


I don't watch that crap.

My point is, in the past, we faced adversity head-on and were stronger because we did so. That is the way to raise a child. Not all this asinine grief counseling crap and talk of razing a perfectly good school.

We're raising generations of pussies. No wonder America is dying. The minute somebody has a hangnail they fly the white flag.
 
2013-01-14 01:20:49 PM  

valar_morghulis: Wangiss: valar_morghulis: mltain: I say they need to get over themselves, people in the middle east go through worse on a weekly or even daily basis.

I know, right? All those parents, friends and loved ones grieving their massacred babies need to get over themselves because of the Middle East. Totes. Glad you're the voice of reason here. What would we do without you?

/kill yourself

And yet you managed to become a messedup person despite not being involved in a mass murder. Funny how things work out.

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But thanks for playing.


Whoops, I meant "kill yourself."
Sorry I was rude.
 
2013-01-14 01:21:24 PM  
Vagina Americans advocate discarding the buildings as a symbolic analogy to discarding our civil liberties.
 
2013-01-14 01:22:13 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: durbnpoisn: I am a little confused as to how that dude got in to the school so easily to start with.
They say that a new security system had been put in place so that you have to be buzzed in. Yet, it seems all this guy had to do was fire a couple of shots at a glass door and it shattered. Voila. Instant entry. That seems like pretty shoddy security to me.

My kid's school has that same "buzz-in" system (and so does the school my wife works at). And the doors are solid steel with a little, thin window, with wire inside. So there is pretty much no way to force entry into that building.

In other words... I'm sure that hindsight is 20/20, so they know where the mistakes were made in that construction. Why did it take something like last month's thingy to bring attention to it?

1) It can't happen here mentality. They just need to put on a good show, we won't really need it
2) Start pointing out all the weaknesses in a school's security and people will start looking at you as a nut. Like I said before, I knew the Principal and she knew me, I was still nervous about bring it up.


I don't blame the principal. It seems pretty clear that she always had the best insterests of the students in mind. She was the one who spearheaded getting tighter security in place. The real shame of it was that it was badly implemented. In any case, I'm sure that you're correct that no one there EVER expected something like that to happen. Ever. After all, a whole lot of eyes are wide open to it now.
 
2013-01-14 01:22:16 PM  

SimKey: We're raising generations of pussies. No wonder America is dying.


Just so you know, that's the same thing your grandfather said about your father's generation. It's what HIS father said about his generation, and it's what your son will say about his grandson's generation. Every generation thinks that the next generation is "ZOMG! THEY R DESTROYING OUR AMERICAS!" Trust me...This country will keep on rollin'...
 
2013-01-14 01:22:16 PM  
Mergim Bajraliu, a senior at Newtown High School, attended Sandy Hook, and his sister is a fourth-grader there. He said the school should stay as it is, and a memorial for the victims should be built there.

"We have our best childhood memories at Sandy Hook Elementary School, and I don't believe that one psychopath - who I refuse to name - should get away with taking away any more than he did on Dec 14," he said.

Police say Adam Lanza, 20, killed his mother at the home they shared in Newtown before opening fire with a semi-automatic rifle at the school and killing himself as police arrived.


Have to say I agree with this student about reopening the school and creating a memorial. What is moronic of the author, however, is to immediately follow his comment which refuses to name with the name in the opening few words.
 
2013-01-14 01:22:28 PM  

SimKey: The minute somebody has a hangnail they fly the white flag.


You're right. It wasn't over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor....why should we let this?

I'm not gonna take this. Who's with me?
 
2013-01-14 01:26:08 PM  

Phinn: Bad things happen just about everywhere. Sack up and move on.

People want to fetishize the site of politically-valuable events so they can continue to extract political value from them. Shocker.


Funny that you picked yet another incident where door control would have completely changed the ordeal.
 
2013-01-14 01:26:30 PM  

give me doughnuts: How about using it as a school?

Is Columbine High still a school? How about Virginia Tech?


6-year-olds vs 16-22-year-olds - makes a difference.
 
2013-01-14 01:27:45 PM  
Bulldoze it? I don't think that's going far enough. We bulldoze all schools everywhere, and stop having kids entirely.
 
2013-01-14 01:28:34 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: give me doughnuts: How about using it as a school?

Is Columbine High still a school? How about Virginia Tech?

6-year-olds vs 16-22-year-olds - makes a difference.


6yr olds are more valuable than 16-22yr olds?
 
2013-01-14 01:28:36 PM  

Worldwalker: There are a lot of people who don't want to be in a place where someone else died violently. Consider the problems with selling a house when a murder or suicide has taken place there. So there's that in favor of replacing the school with something else.



I dated a girl whose parents never told her that their house was the scene of a murder suicide where a husband killed his wife and then himself. The hardwood floor under the oriental rug in the LR covered up a permanent bloodstain five feet long - she showed it to me because I didn't believe her. She hated that house and hated her parents for not telling her. It was weird, just how strong her emotions were about this. She was beside herself that she used to sit on top of somebody's brains and open xmas presents.
 
2013-01-14 01:29:15 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: give me doughnuts: How about using it as a school?

Is Columbine High still a school? How about Virginia Tech?

6-year-olds vs 16-22-year-olds - makes a difference.


Now you're just getting hysterical. What are you, a woman? Get a grip.

There is no reason to bulldoze a perfectly good school. All they have to do is renovate the GD thing.

Christ. Vagina. Spare me.
 
2013-01-14 01:29:54 PM  

CujoQuarrel: I'll go with turn it into a happy place where people go to visit to enjoy them selves

A strip club


As an added bonus, many of the traumatized youths will get to work there in only 8-10 years
 
2013-01-14 01:30:04 PM  
I say do something completely unpragmatic and emotionally driven.
 
2013-01-14 01:30:07 PM  
Cineplex?

Anyway, I sure hope gun rights advocates will continue to characterize those who care about the psychological well-being of their children as weak and fearful, regardless of what's done with Sandy Hook.
 
2013-01-14 01:30:22 PM  
Just give all the kids Straight A's, a lifetime pension/disability for PTSD, let them live in fear locked up in their homes until they die. and let the rest of us get on with our lives.
 
2013-01-14 01:30:36 PM  
Tricky situation, but my tow cents:

Knock down the building. This wasn't a "little Billy fell of the jungle gym and broke is neck" kind of tragedy, where you can put up a bench or plaque in his honor. This was an elementary school being turned into an abattoir. This isn't a High School or College where the students may have a greater understanding of what happened and can rationalize the idea of keeping the place open and not letting the bad people "win".

After it's down, think about making it a park or reserve, someplace that maybe the kids and even the victims families might be able to go by without seeing place that their friends and loved ones never got to leave. Put up a nice, appropriate memorial, call it Sandy Hook Park, or Dawn Hochsprung Memorial Gardens or something like that.

The kids are already using a school which had been closed. Renovate that place and rename it Sandy Hook Elementary and allow the kids to find a sense of normalcy.

Anyway, just my two cents.
 
2013-01-14 01:31:28 PM  

dittybopper: kid_icarus: I'd say it couldn't be more unusable as a school if it were radioactive. Bulldoze it.

I say the opposite. Remodel it, and reopen it. To do otherwise would mean Lanza *WON*, even in death. Place a plaque somewhere, rename it after the principal, whatever you feel you need to memorialize those who died, but DO NOT bulldoze it. That would just encourage others to attack schools, knowing they'd get their little piece of infamy if they just tried hard enough.


I think he's already got a substantial chuck of infamy...
 
2013-01-14 01:32:43 PM  

durbnpoisn: I know it will be a horrible day when the surivors go back in to that school. But consider that within a couple of years, there will be a whole new crop of students that were NOT present on that fateful day.
So the effort to make the school disappear as if it were the school's fault is rather absurd.


Stop making sense!!!
 
2013-01-14 01:33:11 PM  

cretinbob: I read the NRA wants to turn it into a rifle range.

//too soon?


clane:
I know you are lying because you said you were reading...
www.politifake.org
 
2013-01-14 01:33:29 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Cineplex?

Anyway, I sure hope gun rights advocates will continue to characterize those who care about the psychological well-being of their children as weak and fearful, regardless of what's done with Sandy Hook.


What do you know, Captain Conflation is back in action!
 
2013-01-14 01:33:42 PM  

kombat_unit: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: give me doughnuts: How about using it as a school?

Is Columbine High still a school? How about Virginia Tech?

6-year-olds vs 16-22-year-olds - makes a difference.

6yr olds are more valuable than 16-22yr olds?


Thank you. It needed to be said.
 
2013-01-14 01:36:26 PM  
Adam Lanza Memorial Shooting Range & Day-Care Center.

OK, maybe not. I'm with the "reconfigure/remodel it a bit and re-open in a year or so, but don't make the current crop of snowflakes go back". Bulldozing it and rebuilding it is just too big a waste of taxpayer money.
 
2013-01-14 01:36:41 PM  
Keep the school, but make sure anyone can choose to send their child to another school without any hassle about districts.
Plant lots of trees and lots and lots of flowers.

This story still makes me sick.

/has a kindergartener
 
2013-01-14 01:37:36 PM  
Make it a processing center for gun owners.

Then ship em off to the work camps.
 
2013-01-14 01:39:09 PM  

kombat_unit: 6yr olds are more valuable than 16-22yr olds?


In terms of political capital they're infinitely more valuable, and certain people have plans to spend them.
 
2013-01-14 01:40:36 PM  

Honest Bender: Well, it's already set up perfectly to be a school... How about therapy for those that need it and everyone else can get the fark on with their lives. Not every tragedy needs knee jerk reactions.


Yes it does, how else do you get the media to continue to push your agenda without knee jerking?
 
2013-01-14 01:41:51 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: kombat_unit: 6yr olds are more valuable than 16-22yr olds?

In terms of political capital they're infinitely more valuable, and certain people have plans to spend them.


Well put.
 
2013-01-14 01:46:07 PM  

clane: cretinbob: I read the NRA wants to turn it into a rifle range.

//too soon?

clane:
I know you are lying because you said you were reading...
[www.politifake.org image 320x422]


wow.  Zero to butt hurt in 3 seconds flat.
 
2013-01-14 01:50:39 PM  

kombat_unit: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: give me doughnuts: How about using it as a school?

Is Columbine High still a school? How about Virginia Tech?

6-year-olds vs 16-22-year-olds - makes a difference.

6yr olds are more valuable than 16-22yr olds?


Generally yes.  On the one hand, it's a bigger tragedy when some farktard kills a bunch of children. Certainly freaks the public out more.  That's not exactly a case for "more valuable", but it's in the same vein.
I would submit that children are more valuable though.  I judge human value as a function of two things: potential contributions to society, and actual contributions to society.  Nobody really has any actual contributions until they're out of school and working for a living.  Maybe some grad students have done relevant research, but by and large Cho's victims hadn't produced much value.

So we get on to potential.  As people move forward in life, they make choices that either expand or limit their potential.  On average though, people make bad choices and squander said potential.  Skipping classes, drinking heavily, doing drugs.  It's a rare person who actually works to better himself.

So, children end up being more valuable because they're judged specifically on the fact that they have the potential to become a straight A student and eventual productive member of the workforce.  They haven't had a chance to ruin that yet.  The kid coasting through a "University Studies" major for no reason other than that everybody told him he had to go to college, has already closed a lot of doors.
 
2013-01-14 01:52:53 PM  
Keep it open, I say. If kids have half a mind to study there, let 'em.
 
2013-01-14 01:56:28 PM  

Thunderpipes: Make it a processing center for gun owners.

Then ship em off to the work camps.


I wonder if Hannity will be quoting you later today, as a "liberal" online, representative of the liberal view.
 
2013-01-14 01:58:38 PM  

serial_crusher: kombat_unit: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: give me doughnuts: How about using it as a school?

Is Columbine High still a school? How about Virginia Tech?

6-year-olds vs 16-22-year-olds - makes a difference.

6yr olds are more valuable than 16-22yr olds?

Generally yes.  On the one hand, it's a bigger tragedy when some farktard kills a bunch of children. Certainly freaks the public out more.  That's not exactly a case for "more valuable", but it's in the same vein.
I would submit that children are more valuable though.  I judge human value as a function of two things: potential contributions to society, and actual contributions to society.  Nobody really has any actual contributions until they're out of school and working for a living.  Maybe some grad students have done relevant research, but by and large Cho's victims hadn't produced much value.

So we get on to potential.  As people move forward in life, they make choices that either expand or limit their potential.  On average though, people make bad choices and squander said potential.  Skipping classes, drinking heavily, doing drugs.  It's a rare person who actually works to better himself.

So, children end up being more valuable because they're judged specifically on the fact that they have the potential to become a straight A student and eventual productive member of the workforce.  They haven't had a chance to ruin that yet.  The kid coasting through a "University Studies" major for no reason other than that everybody told him he had to go to college, has already closed a lot of doors.


Don't intellectualize it.

Children are valued more for purely emotional reasons.

For some strange reason, people think they're cute.
 
2013-01-14 01:58:52 PM  

skrame: Town officials also are planning private meetings with the victims' families to get their input.

Why? Their kids don't go there any more.

/kidding!


I lol'd. twice.

/I'll fight you for the window seat.
 
2013-01-14 02:00:20 PM  

give me doughnuts: How about using it as a school?

Is Columbine High still a school? How about Virginia Tech?


you win. my thoughts verbatim when I read the headline...
 
2013-01-14 02:00:33 PM  

unLurked: Good God there are a lot of trolls in here.

But, to be perfectly clear: our town, our kids' school, Fark You, we'll decide.


Well, if you tear it down, you can rename it Sandy Vagina Elementary School.
 
2013-01-14 02:02:32 PM  

unLurked: kvinesknows: unLurked: Good God there are a lot of trolls in here.

But, to be perfectly clear: our town, our kids' school, Fark You, we'll decide.

waaaaa

shut up. You want the wolds sympathy, support and outrage you damn well better welcome the worlds opinion on the matter to.

So, just to be clear, you think that by being a sane human being and having compassion for murdered innocents, you think you should have a say in how the community deals with both the emotional and logistical responses to that tragedy. Would you like to some down and tell the counselors how to schedule their time, too, or make a suggestion as to which churches should have spaghetti dinners versus Sunday brunches?


to be perfectly clear. THIS IS FARK.. 99.99999999% of the comments on here will go no where but on FARK. we are not making decisions. WE ARE COMMENTING
 
2013-01-14 02:02:48 PM  

serial_crusher: give me doughnuts: How about using it as a school?

Is Columbine High still a school? How about Virginia Tech?

Virginia Tech hasn't been a high school for several decades...


Oh snap.
 
2013-01-14 02:06:24 PM  

unLurked: kvinesknows: unLurked: Good God there are a lot of trolls in here.

But, to be perfectly clear: our town, our kids' school, Fark You, we'll decide.

waaaaa

shut up. You want the wolds sympathy, support and outrage you damn well better welcome the worlds opinion on the matter to.

So, just to be clear, you think that by being a sane human being and having compassion for murdered innocents, you think you should have a say in how the community deals with both the emotional and logistical responses to that tragedy. Would you like to some down and tell the counselors how to schedule their time, too, or make a suggestion as to which churches should have spaghetti dinners versus Sunday brunches?


oo also.. nice of you to make money writing columns about this tragedy. I am sure that makes you feel like a much bigger person.

for the record you DO NOT have my permission to use my comments in any future money making attempts from this tragedy.
 
2013-01-14 02:06:38 PM  

Banned on the Run: unLurked: Good God there are a lot of trolls in here.

But, to be perfectly clear: our town, our kids' school, Fark You, we'll decide.

Well, if you tear it down, you can rename it Sandy Vagina Elementary School.


APPLAUSE
 
2013-01-14 02:10:08 PM  

skrame: Town officials also are planning private meetings with the victims' families to get their input.

Why? Their kids don't go there any more.

/kidding!


Front row, window seat or maybe standing in the front door-well.
 
2013-01-14 02:13:19 PM  
Can't anyone make a decision without having a meeting? Isn't that why we hire administrators? To make decisions for us?

This is just ridiculous.
 
2013-01-14 02:15:22 PM  

DaSwankOne: Read Alex Jones


He can write?
 
2013-01-14 02:17:28 PM  

Banned on the Run: serial_crusher: give me doughnuts: How about using it as a school?

Is Columbine High still a school? How about Virginia Tech?

Virginia Tech hasn't been a high school for several decades...

Oh snap.


Wait, that came across wrong.  I'm a Hokie so really didn't mean that to sound insulting to my alma mater.
I was under the (mistaken) impression that the Preston and Olin institute, which formed the beginnings of VPI, was originally a high school.  Digging into it now though, it seems to have been a college or seminary type of thing.
 
2013-01-14 02:20:32 PM  
If it were a school in my town (and I'm very grateful that it is not), I would want to keep it open, but turn the classroom where the bulk of the shootings took place into a memorial. As it's not in my town, I really have no say in what happens.

Speaking as a professional children's therapist (getting a kick out of these replies, etc.) I think the continuity of having the same classmates and teachers would be important to the kids of Sandy Hook. Just shunting them off to other schools with people they don't know isn't really going to help. The location itself, however, may be triggering for the kids (traumatic memories, etc.). There'd have to be some sort of ritual/special activities done with the kids of the school before the building is re-occupied, in order to reassure the kids that they are being kept safe and secure. A sticky situation in any event, with no perfect solution.
 
2013-01-14 02:27:31 PM  
When did this become a thing exactly? It is a school... use it as intended. Yes a horrible tragedy occurred there but grow the fark up people, kids are far more resilient than given credit and it's the teachers who will probably have the longer term issues. Honor those lost with a memorial inside the entrance and further honor them by not letting some batshiat crazy kid take down an entire school because we've become incredible pansies.
 
2013-01-14 02:30:44 PM  
Demolish it. In its place build a park. And put in the most kicka** playground ever. Let the kids have a great place to play and the parents a great place to be thankful for their kids.
 
2013-01-14 02:33:32 PM  
It's too soon for those poor people to be considering something like this. It's still too raw for them and people tend not to make the best choices at such times. They have a plan B in place, so the school board should table this consideration for a few months.
 
2013-01-14 02:42:24 PM  

JackieRabbit: It's too soon for those poor people to be considering something like this. It's still too raw for them and people tend not to make the best choices at such times. They have a plan B in place, so the school board should table this consideration for a few months.


Vagina.
 
2013-01-14 02:43:45 PM  
 
2013-01-14 02:43:47 PM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Take a lesson from the Amish and follow their example.

After the Amish school shooting they quietly tore down the building and rebuilt a new school.


Yeah, but...the Amish seem to be at their happiest when they're building a house or a barn, right?

/I've seen Kingpin. I know how these guys work...
 
2013-01-14 02:50:17 PM  
Maybe they can get that Xhibit fellow to put a school inside their school so they can learn while they learn.
 
2013-01-14 02:54:19 PM  

Snowflake Tubbybottom: When did this become a thing exactly? It is a school... use it as intended. Yes a horrible tragedy occurred there but grow the fark up people, kids are far more resilient than given credit and it's the teachers who will probably have the longer term issues. Honor those lost with a memorial inside the entrance and further honor them by not letting some batshiat crazy kid take down an entire school because we've become incredible pansies.


Pansies? I thought pansies were people so scared of their own communities that they have to wear a pistol to the grocery store.
 
2013-01-14 02:56:54 PM  

Bluemookie: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Take a lesson from the Amish and follow their example.

After the Amish school shooting they quietly tore down the building and rebuilt a new school.

Yeah, but...the Amish seem to be at their happiest when they're building a house or a barn, right?

/I've seen Kingpin. I know how these guys work...


Thanks for the new keyboard.
 
2013-01-14 03:04:25 PM  

wildcardjack: Phinn: Bad things happen just about everywhere. Sack up and move on.

People want to fetishize the site of politically-valuable events so they can continue to extract political value from them. Shocker.

Funny that you picked yet another incident where door control would have completely changed the ordeal.


-----------

I'm all in favor of door control (as long as it's controlled by the door's owner, that is).

The government and its proponents are masters of symbolism -- the manipulation of imagery for propaganda purposes. So I'm sure they will want to turn this school into a Shrine of Obama's Eternal Benevolence, to remind us all how hard he is working to rid the world of the scourge of evil itself.
 
2013-01-14 03:04:28 PM  
 
2013-01-14 03:18:02 PM  
People really need to man up here. Clean it up, patch the bullet holes. Open it.

How the hell did Europe ever clean up after WWII? Imagine if they had to re-demolish everything and only build parks?
 
2013-01-14 03:21:04 PM  
Like to introduce a tried and true, successful approach to guns.
Learn guns. Study guns. Practice, practice, practice with guns.
The more you know, the better you can AVOID GETTING SHOT in the first farking place.
All guns have limitations. Knowing and UNDERSTANDING these limitations really improve your survival chances.
Nobody says you have to use a gun against anything but a practice target.
That is what this is about, your survival???
Seems more like a steamroll of the Constitution. Looks like it. Smells like it. Walks like it. And certainly talk talk talk talk and fearmongers like it.

You do not acquire UNDERSTANDING from repeating/accepting/believing derp.
 
2013-01-14 03:23:48 PM  
This thread has been quite helpful in identifying Farkers who think with their emotions rather than their intellect. Especially when someone else is footing the bill for their knee-jerk decisions.
 
2013-01-14 03:27:05 PM  
You could make this a memorial to America regenerating a Pair o Balls.
But, Nooo.

Looks like something else is on the way.
 
2013-01-14 03:27:07 PM  

Glancing Blow: Front row, window seat or maybe standing in the front door-well.


canavar: /I'll fight you for the window seat.


I believe I'll be in the door-well or hanging out of the emergency exit.
 
2013-01-14 03:31:41 PM  

CeroX: I know what i would do:

First, keep the school running

Second, I would commission a bronze memorial to be made and placed at the front of the school. The memorial would be a scene depicting a life size version of each child that was lost that day playing and having fun at recess, with the teacher lost that day watching over them. A name placard with the names, and birthday of each of them...

Just my idea...


Second.

I'm a father of three, and I would love a children playing while the teacher watching depiction. It is dusty in here, and i don't care what you farktards say.
 
2013-01-14 03:35:42 PM  
EYEROLL
 
2013-01-14 03:40:28 PM  
Convert the school to the district's "continuation school" for students with disciplinary problems.

Keep the name: Sandy Hook.
 
2013-01-14 03:46:18 PM  
Sandy HYSTERIA Elementary School
 
2013-01-14 03:47:03 PM  

snocone: You could make this a memorial to America regenerating a Pair o Balls.
But, Nooo.

Looks like something else is on the way.


We should probably tear down the statue of liberty pretty soon if we keep heading in this direction.
 
2013-01-14 04:02:49 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: snocone: You could make this a memorial to America regenerating a Pair o Balls.
But, Nooo.

Looks like something else is on the way.

We should probably tear down the statue of liberty pretty soon if we keep heading in this direction.


Shred the Constitution. Burn the Declaration. What the hell good are they in a country where the "president" is going to use his "executive powers" to take our rights away in violation of . . . wait for it . . . the Constitution?

F A R K
 
2013-01-14 04:10:02 PM  

kombat_unit: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: give me doughnuts: How about using it as a school?

Is Columbine High still a school? How about Virginia Tech?

6-year-olds vs 16-22-year-olds - makes a difference.

6yr olds are more valuable than 16-22yr olds?


Yes. They are more snowflakey.
 
2013-01-14 04:20:22 PM  

trappedspirit: kombat_unit: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: give me doughnuts: How about using it as a school?

Is Columbine High still a school? How about Virginia Tech?

6-year-olds vs 16-22-year-olds - makes a difference.

6yr olds are more valuable than 16-22yr olds?

Yes. They are more snowflakey.


Politicians and movie actors are the most valuable people of all.

That's why they and their children get to be protected by men with guns, and we don't.
 
2013-01-14 04:24:20 PM  

Phinn: trappedspirit: kombat_unit: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: give me doughnuts: How about using it as a school?

Is Columbine High still a school? How about Virginia Tech?

6-year-olds vs 16-22-year-olds - makes a difference.

6yr olds are more valuable than 16-22yr olds?

Yes. They are more snowflakey.

Politicians and movie actors are the most valuable people of all.

That's why they and their children get to be protected by men with guns, and we don't.


Oh, you're just bitter.
 
2013-01-14 04:26:13 PM  

SlothB77: give me doughnuts: How about using it as a school?

Is Columbine High still a school? How about Virginia Tech?

maybe it has something to do with the age of the kids.  high schoolers and college kids can get over it, 3rd graders can't?


Today's kindergarten students don't even know what happened, and they'll be needing a school to go to next year. Kids grow up fast - schools stick around for decades (that's how they are budgeted).
 
2013-01-14 05:01:28 PM  

cefm: SlothB77: give me doughnuts: How about using it as a school?

Is Columbine High still a school? How about Virginia Tech?

maybe it has something to do with the age of the kids.  high schoolers and college kids can get over it, 3rd graders can't?

Today's kindergarten students don't even know what happened, and they'll be needing a school to go to next year. Kids grow up fast - schools stick around for decades (that's how they are budgeted).


Unless you are in WV, then the kids stick around for decades too
 
2013-01-14 05:20:04 PM  

kid_icarus: Bulldoze it.


You going to write the check to pay for that, and the new school. Sorry folks, but the destruction and/or major renovation options arent financially wise. Im caring to bet the agency that would have to pay agrees.
 
2013-01-14 05:37:08 PM  

durbnpoisn: I am a little confused as to how that dude got in to the school so easily to start with.
They say that a new security system had been put in place so that you have to be buzzed in. Yet, it seems all this guy had to do was fire a couple of shots at a glass door and it shattered. Voila. Instant entry. That seems like pretty shoddy security to me.

My kid's school has that same "buzz-in" system (and so does the school my wife works at). And the doors are solid steel with a little, thin window, with wire inside. So there is pretty much no way to force entry into that building.

In other words... I'm sure that hindsight is 20/20, so they know where the mistakes were made in that construction. Why did it take something like last month's thingy to bring attention to it?


a few days after this happened, i went to check out my son from school since he didn't feel well...they have the same mentioned "buzz-in" system, but guess what? I walked right up, tugged on one door, and it was locked! the second one i pulled on opened right away...yeah, pretty unnerving in light of recent events...have this system in place, but don't utilize it? way to put that extra 1% tax revenue to use, guys..
 
2013-01-14 05:44:21 PM  
Interesting how this discussion trends to shake out all the pieces of shiat floating around Fark.

It is disturbing because it demonstrates how insensitive and vile people can be, just to get noticed. Attention whoring/Trolling doesn't even begin to describe it.

I'm disgusted by some of the comments posted here - is there nothing sacred anymore?

Yeah, I know, break out your favorite pathetic "welcomeToFark.jpg" - because being an insensitive anonymous asshole who gets noticed is better than being that RL zilch that you really are.
 
2013-01-14 05:50:27 PM  

cynep: Interesting how this discussion trends to shake out all the pieces of shiat floating around Fark.

It is disturbing because it demonstrates how insensitive and vile people can be, just to get noticed. Attention whoring/Trolling doesn't even begin to describe it.

I'm disgusted by some of the comments posted here - is there nothing sacred anymore?

Yeah, I know, break out your favorite pathetic "welcomeToFark.jpg" - because being an insensitive anonymous asshole who gets noticed is better than being that RL zilch that you really are.



Much better to spend tens of millions of dollars of someone else's money to protect the feelings of a few dozen kids who all will have graduated from that school by the time construction is complete anyway. Because being sensitive is the most important thing evar.
 
2013-01-14 05:52:01 PM  

BigNumber12: cynep: Interesting how this discussion trends to shake out all the pieces of shiat floating around Fark.

It is disturbing because it demonstrates how insensitive and vile people can be, just to get noticed. Attention whoring/Trolling doesn't even begin to describe it.

I'm disgusted by some of the comments posted here - is there nothing sacred anymore?

Yeah, I know, break out your favorite pathetic "welcomeToFark.jpg" - because being an insensitive anonymous asshole who gets noticed is better than being that RL zilch that you really are.


Much better to spend tens of millions of dollars of someone else's money to protect the feelings of a few dozen kids who all will have graduated from that school by the time construction is complete anyway. Because being sensitive is the most important thing evar.


Applause
 
2013-01-14 06:04:27 PM  
I think they should shut the Hellmouth in the basement before re-opening the school.

Oh, and all those twenty and thirty-somethings who told me six months ago that the Democratic Party was no danger of gun control anymore ever? Told you so.
 
2013-01-14 06:27:39 PM  
Demolished? get over yourselves.
 
2013-01-14 06:38:11 PM  
Nobody else has said it, so I will.

How did we go from being the country that won WWI and WWII to being a bunch of cowards?

Yes, lots of little kids died and its really awful, but tearing down a terribly expensive building when the entire country is broke won't bring them back. Get some therapy, face your fears, flame me, and get right back on that horse.

I know some EMTs that told me their hospital's policy is to never admit the patient died at home unless its amazingly obvious. Why? They think the patient's family might feel squicked out enough that they would not want to live in the house any more if they knew somebody had died there. So they lie and say he died at the hospital, so the family won't freak. They tried to pull this on my family, but they had no idea my DH worked in a different hospital and that I understood what they were saying. I didn't tell my parents where my grandpa died exactly, but it was in the middle of their living room, not the hospital they sent him to.

How did we get from one state to the other?

And why is the window on the door of the containment cage at my niece's cage so big I could easily break it and reach through and let myself into the school proper? They aren't fooling anyone. Its not bullet proof either. I've seen bullet proof and that's not it. There's no point in screaming for guards when we can't even put an escape proof containment cage on a school. These things should be standard.
 
2013-01-14 06:43:34 PM  

irreverend mother: How did we go from being the country that won WWI and WWII to being a bunch of cowards?



Feelings and lawyers.
 
2013-01-14 06:55:28 PM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Take a lesson from the Amish and follow their example.

After the Amish school shooting they quietly tore down the building and rebuilt a new school.


Why? Was the building no longer functional?
 
2013-01-14 07:25:30 PM  

irreverend mother: Nobody else has said it, so I will.

How did we go from being the country that won WWI and WWII to being a bunch of cowards?

Yes, lots of little kids died and its really awful, but tearing down a terribly expensive building when the entire country is broke won't bring them back. Get some therapy, face your fears, flame me, and get right back on that horse.

I know some EMTs that told me their hospital's policy is to never admit the patient died at home unless its amazingly obvious. Why? They think the patient's family might feel squicked out enough that they would not want to live in the house any more if they knew somebody had died there. So they lie and say he died at the hospital, so the family won't freak. They tried to pull this on my family, but they had no idea my DH worked in a different hospital and that I understood what they were saying. I didn't tell my parents where my grandpa died exactly, but it was in the middle of their living room, not the hospital they sent him to.

How did we get from one state to the other?

And why is the window on the door of the containment cage at my niece's cage so big I could easily break it and reach through and let myself into the school proper? They aren't fooling anyone. Its not bullet proof either. I've seen bullet proof and that's not it. There's no point in screaming for guards when we can't even put an escape proof containment cage on a school. These things should be standard.


Yeah, got me thinking about the whole sympathy CPR thing. I think it's more disgusting than someone dying in the living room, pumping on and blowing into a definite corpse. Now THAT'S creepy.
 
2013-01-14 07:54:56 PM  
What to do with the school? That's easy! Repaint it, redecorate it, change the name on the front and then use it for your Faux News coverage of the next conveniently timed school shooting incident.
 
2013-01-14 08:28:44 PM  

nekom: dittybopper: That would just encourage others to attack schools, knowing they'd get their little piece of infamy if they just tried hard enough.

I'm not criminal pathologist, but I somehow doubt that comes into play.  What happened here was the hallmark of a schizophrenic madman.  I don't think he was seeking any fame, I think he was just wholly off the rails.


Pharmacologically induced to boot. Along with nearly every other school/mass shooter in recent history.
 
2013-01-14 09:06:07 PM  
They should make it a haunted house.Could pipe gunshots into the PA system,guns being cocked, the whole thing. Simpletons believe something actually happened there so it isn't disrespectful. It's ironic, ya know, like Hipsters. Hipsters are cool. right? Right? RIGHT?!
 
2013-01-14 09:12:30 PM  

Moonfisher: ...we are teaching them that the proper reaction is to be a whiny little coward that runs from terrible things instead of confronting them head-on.


Reporting to authorities seems to be the only "official" manner of confilct resolution available to children, these days. Everything else leads to some sort of punishment such as detention, suspension, expulsion, mandatory councilling/drugging or even criminal prosecution.

/we will never retire
 
2013-01-14 09:14:25 PM  
Came to see ignorant suggestions from people with no connection to the community. Leaving very satisfied.
 
2013-01-14 09:35:09 PM  

BigNumber12: irreverend mother: How did we go from being the country that won WWI and WWII to being a bunch of cowards?


Feelings and lawyers.


Women being allowed to vote.

Which was soon followed by allowing women to. drive. Both huge disasters.

Then follow them up with employment legislation, the Great Society, and the mass importation of the third world's undesirables, and you have a perfect recipe for the pussification of a country.
 
2013-01-14 09:49:24 PM  

Wulfman: Came to see ignorant suggestions from people with no connection to the community. Leaving very satisfied.


Even if you're in the community. You can't reasonably argue for the destruction of public property because it makes you feel sad.
 
2013-01-14 10:24:04 PM  

Wulfman: Came to see ignorant suggestions from people with no connection to the community. Leaving very satisfied.


Came to hear pussies whine. Not disappointed.
 
2013-01-14 10:28:45 PM  
I think they should at least change the name. Since the media has gotten hold of it the name is basically tainted. What do you think of when you hear Columbine, World Trade Center, grassy knoll, Branch Davidians, Exxon Valdez, Heaven's Gate, etc. Things turn into catch phrases and the media runs them straight into the ground. Now it's "Sandy Hook." Changing the name will help distance the actual school from the tragedy in kids' minds.
 
2013-01-14 10:30:47 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Holy Fark that's a lot bigger than I thought it was.


The size of US schools simply boggles my mind. I checked out the remodelled Columbine pics upthread too and the main "wow" I got was from the picture of the corridor. That's a HIGH SCHOOL????

...so yeah, my vote would be for remodelling that one section of classrooms, and reopen the school.

As for not wanting to be where someone else has died violently, all I can say is, it's a young country I guess. Most places on Earth people have died horribly in some war or other at some point, or been taken out by disasters, or whatever it is. Realistically there has to be some statue of limitations, y'know?
 
2013-01-14 11:46:15 PM  

itazurakko: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Holy Fark that's a lot bigger than I thought it was.

The size of US schools simply boggles my mind. I checked out the remodelled Columbine pics upthread too and the main "wow" I got was from the picture of the corridor. That's a HIGH SCHOOL????


Welcome to the burbs.

As for not wanting to be where someone else has died violently, all I can say is, it's a young country I guess. Most places on Earth people have died horribly in some war or other at some point, or been taken out by disasters, or whatever it is. Realistically there has to be some statue of limitations, y'know?

It's a little different when it's people you knew.

Well
 
2013-01-15 12:16:26 AM  

theurge14: It's a little different when it's people you knew.


Yet somehow people rebuild after wars all the time, even when it's their neighbors.

Harsh as it is to say it, the school belongs to the town, which is far more people than those who directly knew any of the victims.

If they have the money free and clear to tear the thing down and rebuild, it's certainly up to them, but it's tax money doing it, and there are probably plenty of other more long-term productive things it can be spent on, even within the school district. Hence it seems some remodelling (reconfigure those rooms into offices, etc) but not throwing away the entire building would be some sort of compromise. Plus plenty of kids liked the commute to that school, didn't they? It's in their neighborhood?

I can't deny, I find the modern US memorial culture to be strange. A plaque, sure. Tear it down for "sacred ground" though I find silly, whether it's the site of the WTC or a school like this one.

(...and don't get me started on the waste that is mounds of teddy bears left out in the rain...)
 
2013-01-15 02:12:50 AM  

itazurakko: theurge14: It's a little different when it's people you knew.

Yet somehow people rebuild after wars all the time, even when it's their neighbors.

Harsh as it is to say it, the school belongs to the town, which is far more people than those who directly knew any of the victims.

If they have the money free and clear to tear the thing down and rebuild, it's certainly up to them, but it's tax money doing it, and there are probably plenty of other more long-term productive things it can be spent on, even within the school district. Hence it seems some remodelling (reconfigure those rooms into offices, etc) but not throwing away the entire building would be some sort of compromise. Plus plenty of kids liked the commute to that school, didn't they? It's in their neighborhood?

I can't deny, I find the modern US memorial culture to be strange. A plaque, sure. Tear it down for "sacred ground" though I find silly, whether it's the site of the WTC or a school like this one.

(...and don't get me started on the waste that is mounds of teddy bears left out in the rain...)


Seems like leaving piles of "stuff" took off after Diana was killed. Personally, I think it's morbid and weird.

So is painting up a dead body and looking at it laying in a box. America is fixated on violence and death.
 
2013-01-15 02:29:50 AM  

BigNumber12: cynep: Interesting how this discussion trends to shake out all the pieces of shiat floating around Fark.

It is disturbing because it demonstrates how insensitive and vile people can be, just to get noticed. Attention whoring/Trolling doesn't even begin to describe it.

I'm disgusted by some of the comments posted here - is there nothing sacred anymore?

Yeah, I know, break out your favorite pathetic "welcomeToFark.jpg" - because being an insensitive anonymous asshole who gets noticed is better than being that RL zilch that you really are.


Much better to spend tens of millions of dollars of someone else's money to protect the feelings of a few dozen kids who all will have graduated from that school by the time construction is complete anyway. Because being sensitive is the most important thing evar.


I was actually remarking about comments making fun of this tragedy. I wonder if these slimy farks laughing at this, would they be laughing if it was their relative, sibling, child that was murdered? Cowardly farks.
 
2013-01-15 08:25:59 AM  

cynep: Interesting how this discussion trends to shake out all the pieces of shiat floating around Fark.

It is disturbing because it demonstrates how insensitive and vile people can be, just to get noticed. Attention whoring/Trolling doesn't even begin to describe it.

I'm disgusted by some of the comments posted here - is there nothing sacred anymore?

Yeah, I know, break out your favorite pathetic "welcomeToFark.jpg" - because being an insensitive anonymous asshole who gets noticed is better than being that RL zilch that you really are.


Actually, no, nothing is sacred.

"Sacred" is a completely imaginary status, a meaningless and wholly non-existant category.

You might as well divide the world into things (and places) that are "plonky" and those that are "unplonky."

Believing is sacredness is a social disease -- a form of psychological corruption that keeps getting passed down, generation after generation.

Humanity has made some small progress purging people of the glitch of sacredness when it comes to believing in sky gods and elves and fairies, I suppose.

But the majority of those people have unfortunately transmuted their tendency toward sanctifying things by latching onto government as a replacement for religion.

Hence, the impetus to turn this government school into a government shrine dedicated to the government's effort to disarm the populace.
 
2013-01-15 12:06:26 PM  

cynep: BigNumber12: cynep: Interesting how this discussion trends to shake out all the pieces of shiat floating around Fark.

It is disturbing because it demonstrates how insensitive and vile people can be, just to get noticed. Attention whoring/Trolling doesn't even begin to describe it.

I'm disgusted by some of the comments posted here - is there nothing sacred anymore?

Yeah, I know, break out your favorite pathetic "welcomeToFark.jpg" - because being an insensitive anonymous asshole who gets noticed is better than being that RL zilch that you really are.


Much better to spend tens of millions of dollars of someone else's money to protect the feelings of a few dozen kids who all will have graduated from that school by the time construction is complete anyway. Because being sensitive is the most important thing evar.

I was actually remarking about comments making fun of this tragedy. I wonder if these slimy farks laughing at this, would they be laughing if it was their relative, sibling, child that was murdered? Cowardly farks.



Maybe we should go back one step further and welcome you to the Internet.

One can hardly expect the rest of us to go into a lengthy morose state every time something bad happens on the news. Humor is one way that people deal with seeing depressing shiat - it's how people keep from going nuts, considering the volume of depressing shiat we view every single day. And since I rather doubt that the families of the victims are browsing Fark threads on the subject looking for comfort, maybe you could just write this thread off as "people trying to digest a troubling issue" and spare us your hosing down the room with your "think of the victims!!!" estrogen.
 
2013-01-15 12:21:15 PM  
I don't feel a thing. I'm being pragmatic. Knocking down a multimillion dollar building because a few people were shot in it is asinine.

Adults need to act like adults. That means they need to think like adults - with their HEADS. Pathetic wimpy emotionalism is supposed to be left behind when you graduate from high school.
 
2013-01-15 01:05:32 PM  

SimKey: I don't feel a thing. I'm being pragmatic. Knocking down a multimillion dollar building because a few people were shot in it is asinine.

Adults need to act like adults. That means they need to think like adults - with their HEADS. Pathetic wimpy emotionalism is supposed to be left behind when you graduate from high school.


This, a thousand times.

More and more things keep reminding me of "Nation Down To Last Hundred Grown-Ups."
 
2013-01-15 05:31:42 PM  

SimKey: Adults need to act like adults. That means they need to think like adults - with their HEADS. Pathetic wimpy emotionalism is supposed to be left behind when you graduate from high school.


I'd prefer that most of it disappears by the time they leave middle school with the rest dissolving throughout their high school 'career'.

Even so, the behavior of so many so-called adults in elected positions, management, etc. is inappropriate for a 19 year old college freshman.

Watching the news after the CT shootings, it seemed like every other anchor was trying to outdo each other about who could express the most emotions and talk the most about how close they were to losing complete control of their emotions.
I understand being sad, and understand a change in tone or expression slipping in. But these are adults, grown men and grown women, whose job it is to relay important events to us and they can't keep it together for 2 whole minutes?

I think if they can keep it together well enough to repeatedly tell us that they're on the brink of losing it, then they're OK enough to skip that part and continue with what they're supposed to do.

I always hated the people who days and even weeks after something terrible spend going 'I'm so sad about what happened, I just can believe it.' Those people were always full of shiat. The people who were sad didn't have to tell you, you heard it, saw it, 'felt' it from them.
 
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