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(Miami Herald)   Kentucky sheriff won't enforce gun laws he considers unconstitutional   (miamiherald.com) divider line 183
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2013-01-14 08:23:46 AM  
Drug laws on the other hand......
 
2013-01-14 08:30:39 AM  
From the article... "Peyman said he now has no deputies."

So then Sheriff... you're statements are really much ado about nothing...


Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/14/3181683/kentucky-sheriff-says-h e -wont.html#storylink=cp
 
2013-01-14 08:33:09 AM  

cretinbob: Drug laws on the other hand......


Yeah, there never seems to be a problem with the 4th amendment. "I smelled something funny" seems to be universally accepted as probable cause for a search these days.
 
2013-01-14 08:37:07 AM  
Not his decision to make. Which if he understood the constitution worth a damn, he'd know.
 
2013-01-14 08:40:07 AM  
Subby be trollin' with the Hero tag.
 
2013-01-14 08:43:06 AM  
Hero tag?  Really?  Sheriff is not a judge, their job is to enforce the law, not interpret it.

Asked what he thinks about doing away with AK-47s, Peyman said, "If they pull them off the market, what will they pull off next?"


Read more here:


Fhttp://www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/14/3181683/kentucky-sheriff-says -he -wont.html#storylink=cpy
Because, you know, no weapon should ever be considered too powerful for civilians.  No sir.  You should be able to purchase tanks, stinger missiles, and chemical weapons too.  Then you'd really be safe.
 
2013-01-14 08:44:44 AM  
Area man ...
 
2013-01-14 08:45:33 AM  

Nofun: Hero tag?  Really?  Sheriff is not a judge, their job is to enforce the law, not interpret it.

Asked what he thinks about doing away with AK-47s, Peyman said, "If they pull them off the market, what will they pull off next?"


Read more here:


Fhttp://www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/14/3181683/kentucky-sheriff-says -he -wont.html#storylink=cpy
Because, you know, no weapon should ever be considered too powerful for civilians.  No sir.  You should be able to purchase tanks, stinger missiles, and chemical weapons too.  Then you'd really be safe.


An AK has half the power of a .308 hunting rifle. Just sayin..
 
2013-01-14 08:45:50 AM  
Well, I'm glad to see that in that six months of POST training he became a constitutional scholar with a complete knowledge of the jurisprudence of supreme court decisions over the last 50 years on the topic of gun control and gun ownership.

Idiot.
 
2013-01-14 08:50:17 AM  
I had no idea that a Kentucky sheriff was the Supreme Court of the United States.
 
2013-01-14 08:54:34 AM  
Thanks for reinforcing all the stereotypes about us, Sheriff.
 
2013-01-14 08:59:07 AM  
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2013-01-14 09:05:52 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: Nofun: Hero tag?  Really?  Sheriff is not a judge, their job is to enforce the law, not interpret it.

Asked what he thinks about doing away with AK-47s, Peyman said, "If they pull them off the market, what will they pull off next?"


Read more here:


Fhttp://www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/14/3181683/kentucky-sheriff-says -he -wont.html#storylink=cpy
Because, you know, no weapon should ever be considered too powerful for civilians.  No sir.  You should be able to purchase tanks, stinger missiles, and chemical weapons too.  Then you'd really be safe.

An AK has half the power of a .308 hunting rifle. Just sayin..


Sale if the latter is illegal so you opinion is moot.
 
2013-01-14 09:11:43 AM  
I thought it was a sheriff's job to ENFORCE the law - not INTERPRET and/or JUDGE it?
 
2013-01-14 09:14:02 AM  
In theory, police should enforce all infractions equally.

In practice, this isn't the case. Cops tell kids to pour out their beers, or confiscate their pot, or ignore people just doing 10 over the speed limit all the time. And that isn't a bad thing.

However, it's something else entirely to call a press conference to say that you aren't going to enforce the law. Sounds like something Sheriff Arpaio would do.
 
2013-01-14 09:15:46 AM  

oldfarthenry: I thought it was a sheriff's job to ENFORCE the law - not INTERPRET and/or JUDGE it?


The duties of a sheriff actually vary a LOT in different states.  Here they basically only transport prisoners, auction off foreclosed properties and serve court summons.  In Arizona, they investigate federal election fraud, apparently.  Anyway what he's doing is basically the equivalent of jury nullification.
 
2013-01-14 09:17:53 AM  
i.imgur.com

Approves.
 
2013-01-14 09:18:01 AM  

Nofun: Hero tag?  Really?  Sheriff is not a judge, their job is to enforce the law, not interpret it.


So I guess the law enforcement decision in DC to not charge David Gregory with violating DC law for having a 30 round magazine was wrong.
 
2013-01-14 09:19:12 AM  

oldfarthenry: I thought it was a sheriff's job to ENFORCE the law - not INTERPRET and/or JUDGE it?


Actually, they are the first line of defense against tyranny. If a law is so bad that the local LEO's won't enforce it, then perhaps we should rethink the law itself.
 
2013-01-14 09:26:52 AM  
First, pharmacists don't have to dispense Plan B or birth control pills, and now this hillbilly is qualified to interpret the Bill of Rights as he sees fit.

Everyone, just do your farking jobs.  If there are job duties you find unconscionable, quit.
 
2013-01-14 09:27:19 AM  

mrshowrules: An AK has half the power of a .308 hunting rifle. Just sayin..

Sale if the latter is illegal so you opinion is moot.


Wait, what? Sale of a .308 Winchester hunting rifle is illegal? The .308 Winchester is one of the most popular deer cartridges around, certainly in the top 5 most popular rounds.
 
2013-01-14 09:34:43 AM  
And there will be an opening for Sheriff as soon as he tries to pull that on the Feds.
 
2013-01-14 09:36:01 AM  

Krieghund: In practice, this isn't the case. Cops tell kids to pour out their beers, or confiscate their pot, or ignore people just doing 10 over the speed limit all the time. And that isn't a bad thing.


It isn't a bad thing, but it does lead to some racist statistics.  Only because police are people and some people are racist.  A white cop might tell 2 white kids he saw smoking dope in a car to just GTFO and go home, whereas he may arrest two black kids doing the same thing.  Overall though, it is good that police have some discretion because the flip side of that is that some people (even some cops) are genuinely good.
 
2013-01-14 09:38:00 AM  

dittybopper: mrshowrules: An AK has half the power of a .308 hunting rifle. Just sayin..

Sale if the latter is illegal so you opinion is moot.

Wait, what? Sale of a .308 Winchester hunting rifle is illegal? The .308 Winchester is one of the most popular deer cartridges around, certainly in the top 5 most popular rounds.


That was 1 of 3 errors in that post.
if=of
latter=former
you=your

I'm getting a coffee.
 
2013-01-14 09:39:19 AM  
As long as the residents of his local community mostly agree with him, I don't have a problem.
 
2013-01-14 09:42:16 AM  

mrshowrules: dittybopper: mrshowrules: An AK has half the power of a .308 hunting rifle. Just sayin..

Sale if the latter is illegal so you opinion is moot.

Wait, what? Sale of a .308 Winchester hunting rifle is illegal? The .308 Winchester is one of the most popular deer cartridges around, certainly in the top 5 most popular rounds.

That was 1 of 3 errors in that post.
if=of
latter=former
you=your

I'm getting a coffee.


I was wondering what you were saying, Mrs. How.  I was starting to worry that you were having a stroke or something.
 
2013-01-14 09:45:47 AM  

Vodka Zombie: mrshowrules: dittybopper: mrshowrules: An AK has half the power of a .308 hunting rifle. Just sayin..

Sale if the latter is illegal so you opinion is moot.

Wait, what? Sale of a .308 Winchester hunting rifle is illegal? The .308 Winchester is one of the most popular deer cartridges around, certainly in the top 5 most popular rounds.

That was 1 of 3 errors in that post.
if=of
latter=former
you=your

I'm getting a coffee.

I was wondering what you were saying, Mrs. How.  I was starting to worry that you were having a stroke or something.


It was just a case of the vapours.  Then the chills.  I got shawl on now so everything is 23 skidoo.
 
2013-01-14 09:46:48 AM  

jaylectricity: As long as the residents of his local community mostly agree with him, I don't have a problem.


Seeing as travel between communities and States is strictly prohibited, I agree.
 
2013-01-14 10:13:27 AM  

dittybopper: Nofun: Hero tag?  Really?  Sheriff is not a judge, their job is to enforce the law, not interpret it.

So I guess the law enforcement decision in DC to not charge David Gregory with violating DC law for having a 30 round magazine was wrong.


Someone apparently doesn't know the difference between Prosecutors and Policemen.
 
2013-01-14 10:15:16 AM  
So a cop found a new angle to justify being lazy.
 
2013-01-14 10:18:42 AM  

cretinbob: Drug laws on the other hand......


There's no sweet DEA money to be had for gun law enforcement?
 
2013-01-14 10:19:21 AM  
Hasnt Holder made similar decissions as this guy? I think they have changed course but at one point the the DOJ stated they were stoping going after dispensaries.
 
2013-01-14 10:19:21 AM  
Peyman said citizens in his county need guns for defense.

Well with you as sheriff, that might be true. We're just going to end up going in circles here though so why don't I just call you a poopoohead and be done with it.

Read more here: http://www.copyandpastescriptssuck.com
 
2013-01-14 10:20:10 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: An AK has half the power of a .308 hunting rifle. Just sayin..


I think it would be far easier to commit a Sandy-hood-style massacre with an AK than with a bolt-action deer rifle. Unless you think that all militaries in the world are in the wrong when they phased out foll-power rifles for higher rate of fire and better control.
It's not all about the power behind the bullet.
 
2013-01-14 10:20:21 AM  

mrshowrules: It was just a case of the vapours.



www.geardiary.com
Vapors?  Or, fumes?
 
2013-01-14 10:22:36 AM  

dittybopper: oldfarthenry: I thought it was a sheriff's job to ENFORCE the law - not INTERPRET and/or JUDGE it?

Actually, they are the first line of defense against tyranny. If a law is so bad that the local LEO's won't enforce it, then perhaps we should rethink the law itself.


I have been assured on Fark that if guns are outlawed the entire federal/state/local police will go along with it. Are you telling me this isn't the case?
 
2013-01-14 10:22:54 AM  
I knew I'd see this story show up.

vudutek: cretinbob: Drug laws on the other hand......

Yeah, there never seems to be a problem with the 4th amendment. "I smelled something funny" seems to be universally accepted as probable cause for a search these days.


This is Eastern Kentucky... The sheriff and his cohorts are most likely the dealers.

Also relevant.
 
2013-01-14 10:24:49 AM  

oldfarthenry: I thought it was a sheriff's job to ENFORCE the law - not INTERPRET and/or JUDGE it?


Sheriffs are elected positions, so when you vote for a sheriff you're essentially voting for a platform. This is especially true in rural areas with lots of unincorporated areas, as the sheriff's office is typically the only law enforcement in those places. There is certainly a history of voting for sheriffs based on their enforcement priorities (as well as partisan politics and other things). Ultimately it's self-governance of what laws you want enforced.
 
2013-01-14 10:25:06 AM  

dittybopper: oldfarthenry: I thought it was a sheriff's job to ENFORCE the law - not INTERPRET and/or JUDGE it?

Actually, they are the first line of defense against tyranny. If a law is so bad that the local LEO's won't enforce it, then perhaps we should rethink the law itself.


This is the first I've ever heard sheriffs described as the first line of defense against tyranny.

One person's opinion is just that, even if he is a sheriff.
 
2013-01-14 10:25:22 AM  

dittybopper: oldfarthenry: I thought it was a sheriff's job to ENFORCE the law - not INTERPRET and/or JUDGE it?

Actually, they are the first line of defense against tyranny. If a law is so bad that the local LEO's won't enforce it, then perhaps we should rethink the law itself.


Yeah, like the enforcement of murders of black people by white people.

You think I'm playing the race card, but jury nullification, for instance, was used a lot by white juries to get white murderers of black people scott free. If you give the power to the sheriffs of ignoring laws they don't like, you give them this power to do good AND bad.
 
2013-01-14 10:26:02 AM  

funk_soul_bubby: I knew I'd see this story show up.

vudutek: cretinbob: Drug laws on the other hand......

Yeah, there never seems to be a problem with the 4th amendment. "I smelled something funny" seems to be universally accepted as probable cause for a search these days.

This is Eastern Kentucky... The sheriff and his cohorts are most likely the dealers.

Also relevant.


If only there was some issue that he could demagogue to distract his constituents from the fact that he may have stolen $300K.
 
2013-01-14 10:28:41 AM  

padraig: dittybopper: oldfarthenry: I thought it was a sheriff's job to ENFORCE the law - not INTERPRET and/or JUDGE it?

Actually, they are the first line of defense against tyranny. If a law is so bad that the local LEO's won't enforce it, then perhaps we should rethink the law itself.

Yeah, like the enforcement of murders of black people by white people.

You think I'm playing the race card, but jury nullification, for instance, was used a lot by white juries to get white murderers of black people scott free. If you give the power to the sheriffs of ignoring laws they don't like, you give them this power to do good AND bad.


I would agree with you, except this county only has 13.5k and is over 99% white. They'd run out of black people in a week.
 
2013-01-14 10:29:31 AM  

padraig: dittybopper: oldfarthenry: I thought it was a sheriff's job to ENFORCE the law - not INTERPRET and/or JUDGE it?

Actually, they are the first line of defense against tyranny. If a law is so bad that the local LEO's won't enforce it, then perhaps we should rethink the law itself.

Yeah, like the enforcement of murders of black people by white people.

You think I'm playing the race card, but jury nullification, for instance, was used a lot by white juries to get white murderers of black people scott free. If you give the power to the sheriffs of ignoring laws they don't like, you give them this power to do good AND bad.


Or the enforcement of civil rights laws.
blsciblogs.baruch.cuny.edu
 
2013-01-14 10:29:35 AM  
So how many years of constitutional law did this Sheriff practice prior to deciding which laws were unconstitutional? 30? 20 at least? C'mon 10?

/0, the answer is 0
 
2013-01-14 10:29:57 AM  

Saiga410: Hasnt Holder made similar decissions as this guy? I think they have changed course but at one point the the DOJ stated they were stoping going after dispensaries.


Holder was an attorney and this guy is a sheriff, but they can both decide to selectively not do their job. In order to prosecute a crime you need a law enforcement officer to make a case for wrongdoing and an attorney to argue it in court. If either one of those people decide not to do their jobs then the crime can't be prosecuted.

One word of caution- a lot of firearms laws are federal statutes, and federal officials could easily find cause to come start investigating people if they had reason to believe that laws were being broken. As long as you weren't being stupid about it, they probably wouldn't care, but you could easily see guns from this guy's area winding up out-of-state and committing crimes in which case it would definitely be a federal issue.
 
2013-01-14 10:30:39 AM  

Nofun: Hero tag?  Really?  Sheriff is not a judge, their job is to enforce the law, not interpret it.

Asked what he thinks about doing away with AK-47s, Peyman said, "If they pull them off the market, what will they pull off next?"


Read more here:


Fhttp://www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/14/3181683/kentucky-sheriff-says -he -wont.html#storylink=cpy
Because, you know, no weapon should ever be considered too powerful for civilians.  No sir.  You should be able to purchase tanks, stinger missiles, and chemical weapons too.  Then you'd really be safe.


A reasonably intelligent person could go on ebay and purchase most if not all the precursor chemicals for explosives and chem weapons. So yea, you kinda can already.
 
2013-01-14 10:30:42 AM  

mrshowrules: jaylectricity: As long as the residents of his local community mostly agree with him, I don't have a problem.

Seeing as travel between communities and States is strictly prohibited, I agree.


You don't have to go there.
 
2013-01-14 10:38:58 AM  

PanicMan: dittybopper: oldfarthenry: I thought it was a sheriff's job to ENFORCE the law - not INTERPRET and/or JUDGE it?

Actually, they are the first line of defense against tyranny. If a law is so bad that the local LEO's won't enforce it, then perhaps we should rethink the law itself.

This is the first I've ever heard sheriffs described as the first line of defense against tyranny.

One person's opinion is just that, even if he is a sheriff.


That person just so happens to be the one who is responsible for setting law enforcement priorities for the county.

Some sheriffs see themselves as a defense against tyranny of the federal government because they are locally elected, and typically there is very little direct oversight of the sheriff's office (barring some kind of state-level entity, a lot of sheriffs would have no oversight).

Additionally, certain court cases over the years have reserved a large degree of sovereignty to local law enforcement, in the sense that the federal government can't compel local law enforcement to do things. They can make it conditional (like federal highway money), but they can't actually tell the states that they MUST do something.
 
2013-01-14 10:41:24 AM  

dittybopper: oldfarthenry: I thought it was a sheriff's job to ENFORCE the law - not INTERPRET and/or JUDGE it?

Actually, they are the first line of defense against tyranny. If a law is so bad that the local LEO's won't enforce it, then perhaps we should rethink the law itself.


Not sure who told you that nonsense, but that's not how it works.
 
2013-01-14 10:43:29 AM  
"Kentucky sheriff forgets he's a bumfark nobody of zero consequence in the middle of shiathole, Flyover and really ought to just fark off"
 
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