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(Townhall)   Home burglarized & safe-cracking attempted, an event which has never happened in the history of NY before gun owners addresses' were publicized   (townhall.com ) divider line
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2013-01-14 09:31:38 AM  
I thought the claim was that the guns deterred people from stealing from you or that the resident Rambo's would shoot em dead and stop the crime.
 
2013-01-14 09:32:45 AM  

Citrate1007: I thought the claim was that the guns deterred people from stealing from you or that the resident Rambo's would shoot em dead and stop the crime.


Not if you case the home that was listed by the article and break in when nobody is home.
 
2013-01-14 09:33:22 AM  
Nice try libs. People that own guns don't get robbed.

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2013-01-14 09:34:39 AM  

Giltric: Citrate1007: I thought the claim was that the guns deterred people from stealing from you or that the resident Rambo's would shoot em dead and stop the crime.

Not if you case the home that was listed by the article and break in when nobody is home.


In addition, the article implies the thieves went straight for the safe, ignoring the rest of the house. Sounds like they were going for what the knew was there, thanks to the paper.
 
2013-01-14 09:35:25 AM  

Uisce Beatha: Sounds like they were going for what the knew was there, thanks to the paper freely-available public records.


FTFY.
 
2013-01-14 09:35:58 AM  

Citrate1007: I thought the claim was that the guns deterred people from stealing from you or that the resident Rambo's would shoot em dead and stop the crime.


Guns are for protection. But you'll never need them, because they'll strike when you're not home. And gun owners don't want to use them anyway. Besides, if you're responsible, they're locked up in a safe all of the time. Which is why they're great for protection.
 
2013-01-14 09:36:23 AM  
Will be interesting to see if the criminals admit to using that list or not.
 
2013-01-14 09:37:11 AM  

tricycleracer: Uisce Beatha: Sounds like they were going for what the knew was there, thanks to the paper freely-available public records.

FTFY.


Yep....freely available public records that are allowed to be freely available in order to try to shame gun owners....just like how the GOP wants to make available a list of people who recieve abortions.
 
2013-01-14 09:38:05 AM  

Uisce Beatha: Giltric: Citrate1007: I thought the claim was that the guns deterred people from stealing from you or that the resident Rambo's would shoot em dead and stop the crime.

Not if you case the home that was listed by the article and break in when nobody is home.

In addition, the article implies the thieves went straight for the safe, ignoring the rest of the house. Sounds like they were going for what the knew was there, thanks to the paper.


Yeah generally a thief would ignore a safe unless they knew guns were inside. Rarely anything inside a safe a thief would want.
 
2013-01-14 09:38:09 AM  

Giltric: Yep....freely available public records that are allowed to be freely available in order to try to shame gun owners


Shame?  Really?  My dad has an NRA sign in his front yard.  He's quite proud of his arsenal.
 
2013-01-14 09:39:00 AM  

Citrate1007: I thought the claim was that the guns deterred people from stealing from you or that the resident Rambo's would shoot em dead and stop the crime.


Yeah gun owners should be grateful to people who publish their addresses in the newspaper -- it deters burglary.
 
2013-01-14 09:39:30 AM  

GanjSmokr: Will be interesting to see if the criminals admit to using that list or not.


I predict they'll find it was an inside job by someone the homeowner knows.
 
2013-01-14 09:40:32 AM  

Citrate1007: I thought the claim was that the guns deterred people from stealing from you or that the resident Rambo's would shoot em dead and stop the crime.


Settle down Beavis, they may be "weapons of war" but they aren't deadly enough to operate themselves and kill goons who wait for a gunowner to leave home because a newspaper told them where to go.

Sandy Hook, America must ban guns that will work themselves soon, Sandy Hook. Sandy Hook.
 
2013-01-14 09:40:35 AM  
Townhall? LOL.

Katie (Democrats Want Jews Slaughtered) Pavlich? LMFAO.


Why is 90% of the derp used to spin up the low-information types in this country generated by those with an obsessive allegiance to another country?
 
2013-01-14 09:41:22 AM  

Giltric: Yep....freely available public records that are allowed to be freely available in order to try to shame gun owners


And people say that gun owners are paranoid. I can't imagine where these stereotypes come from.
 
2013-01-14 09:43:32 AM  
I had a gun stolen from my house once. They'll get over it.
 
2013-01-14 09:43:35 AM  

Uisce Beatha: Giltric: Citrate1007: I thought the claim was that the guns deterred people from stealing from you or that the resident Rambo's would shoot em dead and stop the crime.

Not if you case the home that was listed by the article and break in when nobody is home.

In addition, the article implies the thieves went straight for the safe, ignoring the rest of the house. Sounds like they were going for what the knew was there, thanks to the paper.


Or 1) look for house with vehicle with NRA bumper sticker 2) rob house when vehicle with NRA bumper sticker isn't there.
I bet there is a better stash at the house of a "Proud NRA member" than there is at some random permit holder.
 
2013-01-14 09:43:43 AM  

Uisce Beatha: Giltric: Citrate1007: I thought the claim was that the guns deterred people from stealing from you or that the resident Rambo's would shoot em dead and stop the crime.

Not if you case the home that was listed by the article and break in when nobody is home.

In addition, the article implies the thieves went straight for the safe, ignoring the rest of the house. Sounds like they were going for what the knew was there, thanks to the paper.


And the NRA sticker on the car and the "This home protected by Smith and Wesson" sign on the window.

Gun owners often like to advertise.
 
2013-01-14 09:44:41 AM  

LarryDan43: Uisce Beatha: Giltric: Citrate1007: I thought the claim was that the guns deterred people from stealing from you or that the resident Rambo's would shoot em dead and stop the crime.

Not if you case the home that was listed by the article and break in when nobody is home.

In addition, the article implies the thieves went straight for the safe, ignoring the rest of the house. Sounds like they were going for what the knew was there, thanks to the paper.

And the NRA sticker on the car and the "This home protected by Smith and Wesson" sign on the window.

Gun owners often like to advertise.


You are correct; the presence of certain identifying characteristics displayed by some firearm owners is proof that all firearm owners "advertise" their ownership and thus that a publication of their home addresses is entirely justifiable.
 
2013-01-14 09:45:06 AM  

Insatiable Jesus: Why is 90% of the derp used to spin up the low-information types in this country generated by those with an obsessive allegiance to another country?


i213.photobucket.com

/ obligatory
 
2013-01-14 09:45:46 AM  

tricycleracer: Uisce Beatha: Sounds like they were going for what the knew was there, thanks to the paper freely-available public records.

FTFY.


Except that in order to get those public records, the thieves would have had to submit a request to the local licensing authority, generally a judge.

I can't imagine even the stupidest criminal doing that.

What the newspaper did is publish that information in a way that was easily accessible in an anonymous fashion.

But let's go with your thesis, that these were public records so no-harm no-foul for the newspaper. Isn't this an argument that those individual names and addresses should not be public information? We protect *DRIVERS LICENSE* information more closely in NYS, and driving, unlike owning a handgun, is a privilege, not a right*.

*NYS, and especially NYC, still treats handgun ownership as a privilege, not a right. This is being litigated, but it takes time for the proper cases to wend their way to the Supreme Court.
 
2013-01-14 09:46:04 AM  
Probably also not wise to post dozens of Facebook messages about how Obama will never take your guns and then check in at Disney World.
 
2013-01-14 09:46:33 AM  
You see, when the wild pigs find out who's got a gun and who doesn't, the wild pigs are gonna do something about it. We all knew this was coming. Can't trust a feral hog no ways.
 
2013-01-14 09:46:42 AM  
I'm sure no other homes in the area were burglarized.
 
2013-01-14 09:47:45 AM  
I just don't understand people these days. A wireless alarm system is $45 a month - you can even upgrade and for a few dollars more get the set with cameras that allow for live feeds over the internet. You would think that if you're paranoid enough to need a gun and a sophisticated gun safe you would at least have some kind of security at the entry points to the house.
 
2013-01-14 09:48:00 AM  

Giltric: tricycleracer: Uisce Beatha: Sounds like they were going for what the knew was there, thanks to the paper freely-available public records.

FTFY.

Yep....freely available public records that are allowed to be freely available in order to try to shame gun owners....just like how the GOP wants to make available a list of people who recieve abortions.


Abortions are public record? Has HIPPA been repealed?
 
2013-01-14 09:48:28 AM  
And yet, I've seen several people put this signs, in Georgia :

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-14 09:48:46 AM  

tricycleracer: Uisce Beatha: Sounds like they were going for what the knew was there, thanks to the paper freely-available public records.

FTFY.


If you bother to go, file a FOIA request, and then map out all the permittees. Thankfully for the criminals, the paper did all the legwork for them.
 
2013-01-14 09:50:00 AM  

Dimensio: LarryDan43: Uisce Beatha: Giltric: Citrate1007: I thought the claim was that the guns deterred people from stealing from you or that the resident Rambo's would shoot em dead and stop the crime.

Not if you case the home that was listed by the article and break in when nobody is home.

In addition, the article implies the thieves went straight for the safe, ignoring the rest of the house. Sounds like they were going for what the knew was there, thanks to the paper.

And the NRA sticker on the car and the "This home protected by Smith and Wesson" sign on the window.

Gun owners often like to advertise.

You are correct; the presence of certain identifying characteristics displayed by some firearm owners is proof that all firearm owners "advertise" their ownership and thus that a publication of their home addresses is entirely justifiable.


People still read newspapers? Or just the ones advertised by Fox News?

I doubt it was the newspaper.
 
2013-01-14 09:50:20 AM  

LarryDan43: Uisce Beatha: Giltric: Citrate1007: I thought the claim was that the guns deterred people from stealing from you or that the resident Rambo's would shoot em dead and stop the crime.

Not if you case the home that was listed by the article and break in when nobody is home.

In addition, the article implies the thieves went straight for the safe, ignoring the rest of the house. Sounds like they were going for what the knew was there, thanks to the paper.

And the NRA sticker on the car and the "This home protected by Smith and Wesson" sign on the window.

Gun owners often like to advertise.


Fudds do.

WHen I go to a state range there are plenty of cars with NRA and firarm related stickers on them

When I go somewhere for actual training it is very had to find a vehicle with an NRA sticker on it.
 
2013-01-14 09:50:42 AM  

LarryDan43: Gun owners often like to advertise.


I don't. No bumper stickers, nothing. Only outward symbol is an archery target in the backyard in the run-up to hunting season, but while that weakly implies the presence of, say, a hunting rifle or shotgun, it's not a sure thing, and it certainly doesn't imply the presence of handguns.

Let's be clear: The list published was of *HANDGUN* owners.
 
2013-01-14 09:51:14 AM  

GameSprocket: Giltric: tricycleracer: Uisce Beatha: Sounds like they were going for what the knew was there, thanks to the paper freely-available public records.

FTFY.

Yep....freely available public records that are allowed to be freely available in order to try to shame gun owners....just like how the GOP wants to make available a list of people who recieve abortions.

Abortions are public record? Has HIPPA been repealed?


u dont reid so gud
 
2013-01-14 09:51:29 AM  

LarryDan43: Probably also not wise to post dozens of Facebook messages about how Obama will never take your guns and then check in at Disney World.


*takes notes*
 
2013-01-14 09:52:58 AM  
Time to sue that newspaper...
 
2013-01-14 09:54:14 AM  

LarryDan43: Dimensio: LarryDan43: Uisce Beatha: Giltric: Citrate1007:
People still read newspapers? Or just the ones advertised by Fox News?

I doubt it was the newspaper.


Don't have to read the newspaper when they post a clickable map online
 
2013-01-14 09:55:42 AM  

Shaggy_C: I just don't understand people these days. A wireless alarm system is $45 a month - you can even upgrade and for a few dollars more get the set with cameras that allow for live feeds over the internet. You would think that if you're paranoid enough to need a gun and a sophisticated gun safe you would at least have some kind of security at the entry points to the house.


Sophisticated, like with tumblers and locking bars?

Who said you need to be paranoid to own a gun. You can enjoy shooting and not feel that very strongly about the personal protection idea involving guns. I own guns. They live in a sophisticated safe. I do not think anyone is going to come into my house to harm me. They are locked up because the kids are not fully trained in gun safety yet.
 
2013-01-14 09:55:54 AM  
co2013.sites.medinfo.ufl.edu

Practically an invitation to get robbed
 
2013-01-14 09:57:19 AM  

padraig: And yet, I've seen several people put this signs, in Georgia :

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 300x298]


They're attention whores, just look at their vehicles covered in Terrorist Hunting Permits and anti-Obama stickers. One of these gunfappers here in GA got ripped off after posting pics of all his guns all over Facebook. Someone he knows, evidently, went and helped themselves - to a dozen or so collectible Colt revolvers. LMAO, AW.
 
2013-01-14 10:05:39 AM  
I bet it was 0bama. I heard that he was coming for our guns. The fact that he waited until the homeowner wasn't there just shows that he's a coward. Cowardly like a fox...
 
2013-01-14 10:15:53 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Giltric: Yep....freely available public records that are allowed to be freely available in order to try to shame gun owners

And people say that gun owners are paranoid. I can't imagine where these stereotypes come from.


Correct. They published the names because they are just more assholes who don't believe in the Constitution.
 
2013-01-14 10:20:13 AM  

Uisce Beatha: Giltric: Citrate1007: I thought the claim was that the guns deterred people from stealing from you or that the resident Rambo's would shoot em dead and stop the crime.

Not if you case the home that was listed by the article and break in when nobody is home.

In addition, the article implies the thieves went straight for the safe, ignoring the rest of the house. Sounds like they were going for what the knew was there, thanks to the paper.


The article seems to imply that all the thieves did was go to the safe, try to open it & fail, and then leave. No mention of any other stolen items. This sound like something other than just a home burglary and something more along the lines of a coked-out relative trying to steal one particular item. How many thieves wouldn't at least take the TV?
 
2013-01-14 10:51:35 AM  

Big_Fat_Liar: HotWingConspiracy: Giltric: Yep....freely available public records that are allowed to be freely available in order to try to shame gun owners

And people say that gun owners are paranoid. I can't imagine where these stereotypes come from.

Correct. They published the names because they are just more assholes who don't believe in the Constitution.


How so? They were just using their 1st Amendment rights. Do you want to take that away?
 
2013-01-14 10:51:38 AM  

Karac: Uisce Beatha: Giltric: Citrate1007: I thought the claim was that the guns deterred people from stealing from you or that the resident Rambo's would shoot em dead and stop the crime.

Not if you case the home that was listed by the article and break in when nobody is home.

In addition, the article implies the thieves went straight for the safe, ignoring the rest of the house. Sounds like they were going for what the knew was there, thanks to the paper.

The article seems to imply that all the thieves did was go to the safe, try to open it & fail, and then leave. No mention of any other stolen items. This sound like something other than just a home burglary and something more along the lines of a coked-out relative trying to steal one particular item. How many thieves wouldn't at least take the TV?


If you do that make sure you get the remote. More money if you get the remote.
 
2013-01-14 11:05:09 AM  

Big_Fat_Liar: HotWingConspiracy: Giltric: Yep....freely available public records that are allowed to be freely available in order to try to shame gun owners

And people say that gun owners are paranoid. I can't imagine where these stereotypes come from.

Correct. They published the names because they are just more assholes who don't believe in the Constitution.


Well no, the article contained no stance whatsoever on gun rights.
 
2013-01-14 11:05:41 AM  
These strict constitutionalists need to remember that there is no right to privacy that is overt or implied in the constitution.

If it is a document you insist is inscrutable, unchanging, and unchallengable, then tough nuts.
 
MFL
2013-01-14 11:07:11 AM  
Shaggy_C
I just don't understand people these days. A wireless alarm system is $45 a month - you can even upgrade and for a few dollars more get the set with cameras that allow for live feeds over the internet. You would think that if you're paranoid enough to need a gun and a sophisticated gun safe you would at least have some kind of security at the entry points to the house.

1. $50 a month ($600 a year) is more than alot of people can afford.
2. This isn Star Trek and the cops aren't beamed down from the mothership, it takes time for them to arive.
3. A live feed on the internet isn't going to save you from a predator with a gun, knife or baseball bat. It will just broadcast whatever happened to you.

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary Time to sue that newspaper...

Time to publish the names and addresses of everyone in that newspaper.

1. Chicago homicides outnumber causalties in Afganistan.
2. Chicago has the most restrictive gun control laws in the country.
3. In fact Illinois is the only state that violates the constitution and has a concealed carry ban.
4. It doesn't do diddly shiat because the gangs have their own pipelines for guns. They can get whatever they want.

Why is it whenever something happens...you exploit the event and think passing some law taking away more and more freedom's from the individual is going to somehow solve anything.

The guns have always been there.....but young disenfranchised male who seem to be desensitised and detached from the real world (for whatever reason) seems to be a much more common phenomenon these days. Is it because their homelife is a disaster and they spend all day playing violent video games? Is it because they are getting bullied on the internet?

I really don't farking know.....but my wife has taught troubled youth for a decade now and it's getting worse every year. Most of these boys can't afford a winter coat but almost all of them have an xbox and are obsessed with video games, facebook, internet porn, have no respect for authority and think being famous is the most important thing in life. It's sad really.
 
MFL
2013-01-14 11:09:37 AM  
Nonrepeating Rotating Binary Time to sue that newspaper...

MFL:
Why is it whenever something happens...youthey exploit the event and think passing some law taking away more and more freedom's from the individual is going to somehow solve anything

Sorry I didn't mean "you". I was talking about the filthy lib politicians
 
2013-01-14 11:16:25 AM  

MFL: 1. $50 a month ($600 a year) is more than alot of people can afford.


But they still can afford a gun collection and a gun safe.
 
2013-01-14 11:17:29 AM  
The Journal News thought it was important to publish the names and addresses of every gun permit holder in Westchester and Rockland counties in the name of public safety and the public's right to know.

So I guess what they wanted is for the neighbors to come over to the gun owners' houses and thank them for complying with the laws?

Otherwise, I don't get the whole "safety" angle in all of this.
 
2013-01-14 11:19:57 AM  

Fart_Machine: MFL: 1. $50 a month ($600 a year) is more than alot of people can afford.

But they still can afford a gun collection and a gun safe.


And hipsters can afford 500$ tastings at some Brooklyn restraunt every month but not health insurance?

A bag of herb but not condoms?

Using an EBT a strip club but not for diapers?
 
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