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2013-01-14 03:41:37 PM
I'll use my Windows 7 machine until it dies. Hopefully it has at least 2 good useful years left.
After that, I may switch entirely over to Mac.
Holding out hope that MS figures out tablets and full computers should have different interfaces.

/Win 8 hater.
//Yes, I have given it a chance.
///Old enough to know when to walk away from a bad relationship.
 
2013-01-14 03:44:49 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I'll use my Windows 7 machine until it dies. Hopefully it has at least 2 good useful years left.
After that, I may switch entirely over to Mac.
Holding out hope that MS figures out tablets and full computers should have different interfaces.

/Win 8 hater.
//Yes, I have given it a chance.
///Old enough to know when to walk away from a bad relationship.


Depending on your needs, Ubuntu is not bad. But I work in unix administration so I have an easier time managing it.
 
2013-01-14 03:49:18 PM

Handsome B. Wonderful: Hertzfeld: The fact that you can end up with Skype (Modern UI) and Skype for Desktop installed on the same PC (and you need skype for desktop currently if you want to send files and various other things) and if someone calls you both versions start ringing, and whichever one you answer, the other continues ringing while you are on the call unless you switch and manually turn it off.

Are you freaking serious?
Wow that's awful. I had no idea.

Who the hell is dumb enough to have both the Skype app and the desktop version of Skype running at the same time?


Anyone who loses their desktop shortcut to Internet Explorer and exclaims, "I can't find my E!"
 
2013-01-14 04:00:45 PM
This list fails without Bing. Bad name + bad marketing + mediocre product = millions lost for MS.
 
2013-01-14 04:05:45 PM

DesertCoyote: This list fails without Bing. Bad name + bad marketing + mediocre product = millions lost for MS.


Bings image search has worked well for me. Especially after Google f*cked up their image search.
 
2013-01-14 04:07:47 PM

LesserEvil: The problem with Metro is it removes the explicit nature of the Windows GUI in favor of a ton of keyboard commands and gestures. It's a step backward removing visual cues on a desktop interface, too.


What. I don't use keyboard commands and never have with any OS. Funny thing is non of my cousins who come over on weekends notice I have Widows 8 unless I'm doing something in the metro UI
 
2013-01-14 04:10:50 PM

theurge14: At the time it was thought that the typical "consumer home PC" being sold at retail stores was nowhere near powerful enough to run Windows 2000 quickly enough to satisfy end users. Hence the Windows 2000 Professional but no Windows 2000 Home version.


Yes and no.  Windows 2000 runs reasonably well with Pentium class processors, and could even work with some 486 and 5x86 processors (the latter were "unsupported").  The biggest performance killer was [lack of] memory.  The box said that 32MB was the minimum, but really, it should have been 48MB.  You needed at least 64MB to be well past any memory constraints.  But a lot of bargain PCs at the beginning of 2000 only had 32MB.

It wasn't that much more to throw in another 32MB module, even in 2000, but it was enough to peeve the lowest-end system builders.  Microsoft should have just told them to pound sand, but they gave in.
 
2013-01-14 04:11:58 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: DesertCoyote: This list fails without Bing. Bad name + bad marketing + mediocre product = millions lost for MS.

Bings image search has worked well for me. Especially after Google f*cked up their image search.


Google has exact image search back so you can search by any WxH you want. It took months but they finally put the best feature of their image search back.
 
2013-01-14 04:18:14 PM

Lsherm: I upgraded to 8 from 7 two weeks ago, and I'm doing a clean install of 8 right now. Here's my overriding suggestion: DON'T DO AN UPGRADE. It ran like dogshiat. My boot time went from just over a minute to four, it wouldn't shut down properly, and after two weeks of trying to figure out which drivers were working but clearly weren't made for Windows 8, I just started over. I have plenty of backups, so reinstallation of needed software isn't an issue.


Windows 8 finds drivers not even meant for PC's e.g Samsung's WIS12ABGNX
/Yeah that's for their HDTV's and Blurayplayers
 
2013-01-14 04:22:09 PM

doczoidberg: I haven't heard of a single person who got Windows 8 and actually like the Metro tiles thing.

The first second I saw Windows 8 in action, I was asking how to disable those damn tiles and get to a normal looking desktop.

Fortunately, it can be done. However, I fear for future Windows releases in which using the tiles will be mandatory.


I love it on my Lumia.
 
2013-01-14 04:23:58 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: Lsherm: I upgraded to 8 from 7 two weeks ago, and I'm doing a clean install of 8 right now. Here's my overriding suggestion: DON'T DO AN UPGRADE. It ran like dogshiat. My boot time went from just over a minute to four, it wouldn't shut down properly, and after two weeks of trying to figure out which drivers were working but clearly weren't made for Windows 8, I just started over. I have plenty of backups, so reinstallation of needed software isn't an issue.

Windows 8 finds drivers not even meant for PC's e.g Samsung's WIS12ABGNX
/Yeah that's for their HDTV's and Blurayplayers


Is that how I got a Nokia telephone driver on my PC and I don't own anything by Nokia?
 
2013-01-14 04:27:33 PM

styckx: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: DesertCoyote: This list fails without Bing. Bad name + bad marketing + mediocre product = millions lost for MS.

Bings image search has worked well for me. Especially after Google f*cked up their image search.

Google has exact image search back so you can search by any WxH you want. It took months but they finally put the best feature of their image search back.


They changed it back? No one called and told me. The bastards.
 
2013-01-14 04:35:00 PM

styckx: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: DesertCoyote: This list fails without Bing. Bad name + bad marketing + mediocre product = millions lost for MS.

Bings image search has worked well for me. Especially after Google f*cked up their image search.

Google has exact image search back so you can search by any WxH you want. It took months but they finally put the best feature of their image search back.


Nope, it still sucks.

Go to Bing Images, disable safe search, and search for 'tits'
Now go to Google Images (safe search is off by default), and search for 'tits'.

Yeah, the Google sucks.
 
2013-01-14 04:39:09 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: styckx: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: DesertCoyote: This list fails without Bing. Bad name + bad marketing + mediocre product = millions lost for MS.

Bings image search has worked well for me. Especially after Google f*cked up their image search.

Google has exact image search back so you can search by any WxH you want. It took months but they finally put the best feature of their image search back.

Nope, it still sucks.

Go to Bing Images, disable safe search, and search for 'tits'
Now go to Google Images (safe search is off by default), and search for 'tits'.

Yeah, the Google sucks.


Just add `porn' to it and you're good. ie: "Tits porn"
 
2013-01-14 04:40:34 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: Lsherm: I upgraded to 8 from 7 two weeks ago, and I'm doing a clean install of 8 right now. Here's my overriding suggestion: DON'T DO AN UPGRADE. It ran like dogshiat. My boot time went from just over a minute to four, it wouldn't shut down properly, and after two weeks of trying to figure out which drivers were working but clearly weren't made for Windows 8, I just started over. I have plenty of backups, so reinstallation of needed software isn't an issue.

Windows 8 finds drivers not even meant for PC's e.g Samsung's WIS12ABGNX
/Yeah that's for their HDTV's and Blurayplayers


Mine ended up being an intel raid controller driver.  I have an Alienware Area 51 ALX desktop and the intel raid utility they use requires a driver installation that can't be upgraded AFTER you move to Windows 8.  So if you do an in-place upgrade it gets stuck with the 7 version of the driver, which is apparently shiat if it's running on 8.

On the plus side, the clean installation really is farking fast.  On the negative side, I'm moving back 450 GB of data from backup, and that's taking forever.
 
2013-01-14 04:41:35 PM

styckx: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: styckx: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: DesertCoyote: This list fails without Bing. Bad name + bad marketing + mediocre product = millions lost for MS.

Bings image search has worked well for me. Especially after Google f*cked up their image search.

Google has exact image search back so you can search by any WxH you want. It took months but they finally put the best feature of their image search back.

Nope, it still sucks.

Go to Bing Images, disable safe search, and search for 'tits'
Now go to Google Images (safe search is off by default), and search for 'tits'.

Yeah, the Google sucks.

Just add `porn' to it and you're good. ie: "Tits porn"


That's an extra word I'd have to add. When I want instant tits, I don't have time to type in 4 more letters.
 
2013-01-14 04:50:02 PM

styckx: drjekel_mrhyde: Lsherm: I upgraded to 8 from 7 two weeks ago, and I'm doing a clean install of 8 right now. Here's my overriding suggestion: DON'T DO AN UPGRADE. It ran like dogshiat. My boot time went from just over a minute to four, it wouldn't shut down properly, and after two weeks of trying to figure out which drivers were working but clearly weren't made for Windows 8, I just started over. I have plenty of backups, so reinstallation of needed software isn't an issue.

Windows 8 finds drivers not even meant for PC's e.g Samsung's WIS12ABGNX
/Yeah that's for their HDTV's and Blurayplayers

Is that how I got a Nokia telephone driver on my PC and I don't own anything by Nokia?


er on my PC and I don't own anything by Nokia?
I'm not saying anything bad. I plugged the thing into my computer and it found it WTF , then I plugged it into my 7 box and even with the find driver online it could not find it
 
2013-01-14 05:14:29 PM
"Windows Mistake Edition (officially called "Me" for no discernible reason)"

It stood for "Millenium Edition".
 
2013-01-14 05:16:26 PM

wallywam1: "Windows Mistake Edition (officially called "Me" for no discernible reason)"

It stood for "Millennium Edition".


FTFM
 
2013-01-14 05:21:15 PM

DesertCoyote: This list fails without Bing. Bad name + bad marketing + mediocre product = millions lost for MS.


Bing isn't that bad of a name. It's certainly better than "Microsoft Windows Live MSN Hotmail Search Pro Edition" or whatever the fark it was called previously.
 
2013-01-14 05:21:26 PM

wallywam1: "Windows Mistake Edition (officially called "Me" for no discernible reason)"

It stood for "Millenium Edition".


And was called Winmill. I never heard anyone call it "mistake edition" although we all agreed it was a total piece of shiat.
Take heart, Windows 9 will be awesome.
 
2013-01-14 05:32:32 PM

YodaBlues: When installing an OEM copy of Windows 7 on a new motherboard, you just need to call MS and re-validate to release the key. Takes 10 minutes. I know this cause I've done it to two different systems.

Plus, you're not supposed to use Windows 7 OEM to build your own computer

LOLWUT? That's EXACTLY was OEM is for, new computers and single hardware installation.


Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it doesn't go against the license.

from http://www.microsoft.com/Oem/en/licensing/sblicensing/Pages/licensing_ faq.aspx#fbid=cCAhFHekXZo

Q. Can a PC with an OEM Windows operating system have its motherboard upgraded and keep the same license? What if it was replaced because it was defective?
A. Generally, an end user can upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on a computer-except the motherboard-and still retain the license for the original Microsoft OEM operating system software. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect, then a new computer has been created. Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred to the new computer, and the license of new operating system software is required.

and

Q. Can I use the Personal Use License for Windows 7 software?
A. No. The Personal Use License is for Windows 8 and Windows 8 Pro software only. If you are building a PC for your personal use with Windows 7 software, you still need to purchase the full packaged retail version.
 
2013-01-14 05:38:30 PM

MrEricSir: DesertCoyote: This list fails without Bing. Bad name + bad marketing + mediocre product = millions lost for MS.

Bing isn't that bad of a name. It's certainly better than "Microsoft Windows Live MSN Hotmail Search Pro Edition" or whatever the fark it was called previously.


I thought that MSN Search Pro Edition was pretty good. I really didn't care for Microsoft Windows Live MSN Search 2007 Home Edition, though. That was a pile of crap.
 
2013-01-14 05:42:06 PM

adenosine: YodaBlues: When installing an OEM copy of Windows 7 on a new motherboard, you just need to call MS and re-validate to release the key. Takes 10 minutes. I know this cause I've done it to two different systems.

Plus, you're not supposed to use Windows 7 OEM to build your own computer

LOLWUT? That's EXACTLY was OEM is for, new computers and single hardware installation.

Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it doesn't go against the license.

from http://www.microsoft.com/Oem/en/licensing/sblicensing/Pages/licensing_ faq.aspx#fbid=cCAhFHekXZo

Q. Can a PC with an OEM Windows operating system have its motherboard upgraded and keep the same license? What if it was replaced because it was defective?
A. Generally, an end user can upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on a computer-except the motherboard-and still retain the license for the original Microsoft OEM operating system software. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect, then a new computer has been created. Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred to the new computer, and the license of new operating system software is required.

and

Q. Can I use the Personal Use License for Windows 7 software?
A. No. The Personal Use License is for Windows 8 and Windows 8 Pro software only. If you are building a PC for your personal use with Windows 7 software, you still need to purchase the full packaged retail version.


Yes, I am well versed in the legalese, I'm telling you Microsoft doesn't care. You don't even talk to human, it's an automated system: you call up, enter your key and the key is released and ready to be tied to a new mobo.  Know why they don't care? Cause they have no way of verifying the reason you are installing on a new motherboard, like for instance if the model it was previously registered to is no longer manufactured.  I'm telling you you don't have to spend $200 and you're complaining cause the "LICENSE SAYS NO!!!", even though in reality, the license holder doesn't give a shiat.
 
2013-01-14 05:56:12 PM

YodaBlues: Yes, I am well versed in the legalese, I'm telling you Microsoft doesn't care. You don't even talk to human, it's an automated system: you call up, enter your key and the key is released and ready to be tied to a new mobo.  Know why they don't care? Cause they have no way of verifying the reason you are installing on a new motherboard, like for instance if the model it was previously registered to is no longer manufactured.  I'm telling you you don't have to spend $200 and you're complaining cause the "LICENSE SAYS NO!!!", even though in reality, the license holder doesn't give a shiat.


So you should violate the license agreement because it's easy to? That doesn't seem like particularly good line of reasoning. Did you think it was OK to buy one license of Windows and install it on multiple machines when it only required a serial number? If I can stay within the license agreement with a $99 copy of Windows 8, that to me is the much better path. Perhaps I'm the only one who cares about the license agreement.
 
2013-01-14 05:57:52 PM

adenosine: Perhaps I'm the only one who cares about the license agreement.


*Bing bing bing*
 
2013-01-14 05:58:46 PM

adenosine: YodaBlues: Yes, I am well versed in the legalese, I'm telling you Microsoft doesn't care. You don't even talk to human, it's an automated system: you call up, enter your key and the key is released and ready to be tied to a new mobo.  Know why they don't care? Cause they have no way of verifying the reason you are installing on a new motherboard, like for instance if the model it was previously registered to is no longer manufactured.  I'm telling you you don't have to spend $200 and you're complaining cause the "LICENSE SAYS NO!!!", even though in reality, the license holder doesn't give a shiat.

So you should violate the license agreement because it's easy to? That doesn't seem like particularly good line of reasoning. Did you think it was OK to buy one license of Windows and install it on multiple machines when it only required a serial number? If I can stay within the license agreement with a $99 copy of Windows 8, that to me is the much better path. Perhaps I'm the only one who cares about the license agreement.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-14 05:58:57 PM

cretinbob: 8 pages? Really? It takes 8 pages to list 13 things that MS didn't do well? Jeez I'm glad the author didn't go with 25 or 100 things.


For what it's worth, I notice and appreciate the Comic Sans MS.
 
2013-01-14 06:08:35 PM

YodaBlues: adenosine: YodaBlues: Yes, I am well versed in the legalese, I'm telling you Microsoft doesn't care. You don't even talk to human, it's an automated system: you call up, enter your key and the key is released and ready to be tied to a new mobo.  Know why they don't care? Cause they have no way of verifying the reason you are installing on a new motherboard, like for instance if the model it was previously registered to is no longer manufactured.  I'm telling you you don't have to spend $200 and you're complaining cause the "LICENSE SAYS NO!!!", even though in reality, the license holder doesn't give a shiat.

So you should violate the license agreement because it's easy to? That doesn't seem like particularly good line of reasoning. Did you think it was OK to buy one license of Windows and install it on multiple machines when it only required a serial number? If I can stay within the license agreement with a $99 copy of Windows 8, that to me is the much better path. Perhaps I'm the only one who cares about the license agreement.

[yoda blues looking like a smug dick.jpg]


You know all those candy bars near the checkout counter at Wal Mart? It turns out that like 99.99% of the time you can just put one of those candy bars in your pocket and walk out, and nobody will ever even notice. In your world, I suppose that means that Wal Mart gives away free candy bars.
 
2013-01-14 06:09:11 PM

Hertzfeld: Handsome B. Wonderful: Hertzfeld: The fact that you can end up with Skype (Modern UI) and Skype for Desktop installed on the same PC (and you need skype for desktop currently if you want to send files and various other things) and if someone calls you both versions start ringing, and whichever one you answer, the other continues ringing while you are on the call unless you switch and manually turn it off.

Are you freaking serious?
Wow that's awful. I had no idea.

Who the hell is dumb enough to have both the Skype app and the desktop version of Skype running at the same time?

Anyone who loses their desktop shortcut to Internet Explorer and exclaims, "I can't find my E!"


Well, sure. But I have my phone sitting right next to my desktop right now. If someone tries to call me on Skype, I suppose I'd have the option to answer on either my desktop or my phone. Skype should deal with that appropriately since I'm only likely to answer one. Having two versions installed on your desktop should be no different. That may be Microsoft's fault. but it would be the Skype team, not the Windows team that should fix it.
 
2013-01-14 06:12:46 PM

The Larch: YodaBlues: adenosine: YodaBlues: Yes, I am well versed in the legalese, I'm telling you Microsoft doesn't care. You don't even talk to human, it's an automated system: you call up, enter your key and the key is released and ready to be tied to a new mobo.  Know why they don't care? Cause they have no way of verifying the reason you are installing on a new motherboard, like for instance if the model it was previously registered to is no longer manufactured.  I'm telling you you don't have to spend $200 and you're complaining cause the "LICENSE SAYS NO!!!", even though in reality, the license holder doesn't give a shiat.

So you should violate the license agreement because it's easy to? That doesn't seem like particularly good line of reasoning. Did you think it was OK to buy one license of Windows and install it on multiple machines when it only required a serial number? If I can stay within the license agreement with a $99 copy of Windows 8, that to me is the much better path. Perhaps I'm the only one who cares about the license agreement.

[yoda blues looking like a smug dick.jpg]

You know all those candy bars near the checkout counter at Wal Mart? It turns out that like 99.99% of the time you can just put one of those candy bars in your pocket and walk out, and nobody will ever even notice. In your world, I suppose that means that Wal Mart gives away free candy bars.


Oooh, ooh, is this the copyright infringement v. theft false equivalency thread? Hold that thought, I'm going to go make some popcorn.
 
2013-01-14 06:14:19 PM

adenosine: YodaBlues: Yes, I am well versed in the legalese, I'm telling you Microsoft doesn't care. You don't even talk to human, it's an automated system: you call up, enter your key and the key is released and ready to be tied to a new mobo.  Know why they don't care? Cause they have no way of verifying the reason you are installing on a new motherboard, like for instance if the model it was previously registered to is no longer manufactured.  I'm telling you you don't have to spend $200 and you're complaining cause the "LICENSE SAYS NO!!!", even though in reality, the license holder doesn't give a shiat.

So you should violate the license agreement because it's easy to? That doesn't seem like particularly good line of reasoning. Did you think it was OK to buy one license of Windows and install it on multiple machines when it only required a serial number? If I can stay within the license agreement with a $99 copy of Windows 8, that to me is the much better path. Perhaps I'm the only one who cares about the license agreement.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-14 06:14:57 PM

ProfessorOhki: Oooh, ooh, is this the copyright infringement v. theft false equivalency thread? Hold that thought, I'm going to go make some popcorn.


No, it's the thread where YodaBlues explicitly claimed that license infringement was OK, because he hasn't been caught yet.
 
2013-01-14 06:16:30 PM

The Larch: YodaBlues: adenosine: YodaBlues: Yes, I am well versed in the legalese, I'm telling you Microsoft doesn't care. You don't even talk to human, it's an automated system: you call up, enter your key and the key is released and ready to be tied to a new mobo.  Know why they don't care? Cause they have no way of verifying the reason you are installing on a new motherboard, like for instance if the model it was previously registered to is no longer manufactured.  I'm telling you you don't have to spend $200 and you're complaining cause the "LICENSE SAYS NO!!!", even though in reality, the license holder doesn't give a shiat.

So you should violate the license agreement because it's easy to? That doesn't seem like particularly good line of reasoning. Did you think it was OK to buy one license of Windows and install it on multiple machines when it only required a serial number? If I can stay within the license agreement with a $99 copy of Windows 8, that to me is the much better path. Perhaps I'm the only one who cares about the license agreement.

[yoda blues looking like a smug dick.jpg]

You know all those candy bars near the checkout counter at Wal Mart? It turns out that like 99.99% of the time you can just put one of those candy bars in your pocket and walk out, and nobody will ever even notice. In your world, I suppose that means that Wal Mart gives away free candy bars.


0-media-cdn.foolz.us

You don't understand how an analogy works. See, I DO buy the candy bar, I just don't let the candy company tell me how or when or where I can enjoy it.

/adenosine still not going to sleep with you.
 
2013-01-14 06:16:42 PM

The Larch: ProfessorOhki: Oooh, ooh, is this the copyright infringement v. theft false equivalency thread? Hold that thought, I'm going to go make some popcorn.

No, it's the thread where YodaBlues explicitly claimed that license infringement was OK, because he hasn't been caught yet.


Hey wait up, it's not ready yet.
 
2013-01-14 06:17:05 PM

seanpg71: Hertzfeld: Handsome B. Wonderful: Hertzfeld: The fact that you can end up with Skype (Modern UI) and Skype for Desktop installed on the same PC (and you need skype for desktop currently if you want to send files and various other things) and if someone calls you both versions start ringing, and whichever one you answer, the other continues ringing while you are on the call unless you switch and manually turn it off.

Are you freaking serious?
Wow that's awful. I had no idea.

Who the hell is dumb enough to have both the Skype app and the desktop version of Skype running at the same time?

Anyone who loses their desktop shortcut to Internet Explorer and exclaims, "I can't find my E!"

Well, sure. But I have my phone sitting right next to my desktop right now. If someone tries to call me on Skype, I suppose I'd have the option to answer on either my desktop or my phone. Skype should deal with that appropriately since I'm only likely to answer one. Having two versions installed on your desktop should be no different. That may be Microsoft's fault. but it would be the Skype team, not the Windows team that should fix it.


No, No, No. You are wrong. According to Handsome B. Wonderful, if you answer your mobile and your computer keeps ringing, that's because you're a stupid dumbass who doesn't know how to workaround the limitations of a shiatty program like skype.
 
2013-01-14 06:17:27 PM

ProfessorOhki: The Larch: ProfessorOhki: Oooh, ooh, is this the copyright infringement v. theft false equivalency thread? Hold that thought, I'm going to go make some popcorn.

No, it's the thread where YodaBlues explicitly claimed that license infringement was OK, because he hasn't been caught yet.

Hey wait up, it's not ready yet.


Come on man, get the jiffy pop!
 
2013-01-14 06:18:35 PM

cretinbob: wallywam1: "Windows Mistake Edition (officially called "Me" for no discernible reason)"

It stood for "Millenium Edition".

And was called Winmill. I never heard anyone call it "mistake edition" although we all agreed it was a total piece of shiat.
Take heart, Windows 9 will be awesome.


"Mistake Edition" was pretty common in the circles I ran in. As well as referring to "Windows CE" as "Wince".

We were cheeky monkeys.
 
2013-01-14 06:26:24 PM

YodaBlues: You don't understand how an analogy works. See, I DO buy the candy bar, I just don't let the candy company tell me how or when or where I can enjoy it.


The United States Constitution explicitly allows the company to limit how you make copies of a program.

Let's use a car analogy, which I always like.

Suppose that Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin were two guys who were really into car customization. Further, imagine that TommyJ had himself one of those cool customizing shops that was always putting out fresh rides that were really dope (keep in mind this is a long time ago, so the slang was pretty stupid sounding to us). What do you think would have happened if BFDog kept copying all of TommyJ's sick colors? TommyJ would have said, "Hey you fat old BFDog, stop yoinking my sick colors! Get your own pigments!" Then BFDog would have said, "Verily, I say unto you that your legal recourse is very small. Without some item in the Constitution to prevent me from copying your paint designs, I shall verily continue." And TommyJ says "It is now, cuz I the pimp of the constitution, and you're the ho."

And that's why if one car customizing shop invents a really cool new color scheme for a car, other car customizing shops aren't just free to copy it without permission.
 
2013-01-14 06:27:27 PM

bighairyguy: I got a new laptop Saturday and I've been doing battle with Windows 8 since then.  The Tiles screen is perfect for ADD people.


Hit PC Magazine's web site for some "intro to Windows 8" articles and they'll really help you out.

I'm testing Windows 8 for my company and after learning a few things about it I kinda like it. Metro isn't a bad interface. Better suited to tablets but still, how many apps do you frequently run? I ditched almost all of the tiles and only have tiles for things i use at least once a week. Things like Office dump a shiat ton of tiles on the screen when you install them but it doesn't take more than a few minutes to clean it up. I also tend to turn off all of the 'ooh ahh' crap I can because I'd rather have performance than visual 'ooh, ahh'

I really don't see a big difference between 7 and 8.
 
2013-01-14 06:28:58 PM

wildcardjack: Just remember this gem from IBM

[imgs.xkcd.com image 550x472]


You mean the great mouse that is still on 99% of all laptops currently being made? It's way better than the stupid mousepad.
 
2013-01-14 06:34:10 PM
I can't believe some asshole is on Fark enforcing license agreement policies.. Holy fark either he gets a 10/10 for trolling or he has less of a life than I do.
 
2013-01-14 06:45:13 PM
Oh fer cryin out loud. I'm so tired of the MS and Win8 hate.

My wife got a Surface (RT) in October and we liked it so much we upgraded all of our obviously non-touch machines. I have no complaints or problems dealing with Win8 on my desktop. The navigation is simple and easy. It took me a whopping 20 minutes to figure it out and get used to it. I like the infamous Start screen. It makes it very easy to group my apps according to how I work. I've been developing software and building my own machines since 1990 and I have yet to find anything about Win8 that annoys me.

Whenever I see someone bash or complain about Win8 the only conclusions I can come to is that they haven't used it for more than 15 minutes or they are predisposed to hate all things Microsoft.

My biggest complaint about MS has always been that their marketing blows. If they made a 30-45 second commercial to show how to use Win8 on a non-touch machine I bet about 80% of the complaining would stop.
 
2013-01-14 06:53:14 PM

The Larch: YodaBlues: You don't understand how an analogy works. See, I DO buy the candy bar, I just don't let the candy company tell me how or when or where I can enjoy it.

The United States Constitution explicitly allows the company to limit how you make copies of a program.

Let's use a car analogy, which I always like.

Suppose that Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin were two guys who were really into car customization. Further, imagine that TommyJ had himself one of those cool customizing shops that was always putting out fresh rides that were really dope (keep in mind this is a long time ago, so the slang was pretty stupid sounding to us). What do you think would have happened if BFDog kept copying all of TommyJ's sick colors? TommyJ would have said, "Hey you fat old BFDog, stop yoinking my sick colors! Get your own pigments!" Then BFDog would have said, "Verily, I say unto you that your legal recourse is very small. Without some item in the Constitution to prevent me from copying your paint designs, I shall verily continue." And TommyJ says "It is now, cuz I the pimp of the constitution, and you're the ho."

And that's why if one car customizing shop invents a really cool new color scheme for a car, other car customizing shops aren't just free to copy it without permission.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/analogy

I'd say you should probably choose an analogy that is actually analogous the situation I am describing.  Not stealing, not copying, I already bought it.  And I'm using on one computer only. I have 3 separate legal OEM copies of Windows for ALL 3 of my PC's. I don't share keys and I don't pirate. When I upgrade my motherboard, I use the same key that was previously used for that particular system. I'm not buying another one because MS has arbitrarily decided that is what constitutes a "PC".

The car analogy that is applicable is if I bought a new car and GM told me if I wanted to swap out the transmission, I would have to buy a whole new  engine. Even though the current engine is fine and perfectly compatible, GM has decreed to me how to use a product I already legally purchased. I'm not going to steal an engine, I'm not copying the engine from one car and putting it in another, I have a perfectly good engine I already bought and I'm going to use it how I see fit.

License agreements are how software companies fleece you. And I say this as a software developer.
 
2013-01-14 07:02:32 PM

Unscratchable_Itch: Oh fer cryin out loud. I'm so tired of the MS and Win8 hate.


In before "how much did M$ pay you to post here?!"

/amen to the marketing comment
 
2013-01-14 07:20:14 PM

Unscratchable_Itch: Oh fer cryin out loud. I'm so tired of the MS and Win8 hate.

My wife got a Surface (RT) in October and we liked it so much we upgraded all of our obviously non-touch machines. I have no complaints or problems dealing with Win8 on my desktop. The navigation is simple and easy. It took me a whopping 20 minutes to figure it out and get used to it. I like the infamous Start screen. It makes it very easy to group my apps according to how I work. I've been developing software and building my own machines since 1990 and I have yet to find anything about Win8 that annoys me.

Whenever I see someone bash or complain about Win8 the only conclusions I can come to is that they haven't used it for more than 15 minutes or they are predisposed to hate all things Microsoft.

My biggest complaint about MS has always been that their marketing blows. If they made a 30-45 second commercial to show how to use Win8 on a non-touch machine I bet about 80% of the complaining would stop.


I'm glad you like it. I think it stinks on toast.
 
2013-01-14 07:54:59 PM

Flying Code Monkey: Unscratchable_Itch: Oh fer cryin out loud. I'm so tired of the MS and Win8 hate.

In before "how much did M$ pay you to post here?!"

/amen to the marketing comment


Yeah, I wish I was on the secret MS payroll. What's the going rate for trolling?
 
2013-01-14 07:58:42 PM

styckx: 8 farking pages..


Where each page jumps around as it draws the components making trying to click on links a dance. Nope.
 
2013-01-14 09:31:11 PM
I don't own anything Microsoft makes except for my many-times-migrated copy of Office 2003 for Mac, so I don't say this as a fanboi. But it's a hell of a company that can make 13 serious missteps and still be pretty farking dominant.
 
2013-01-14 10:35:21 PM

KidneyStone: Better suited to tablets but still, how many apps do you frequently run?


Right now I have Chrome, Skype, Solidworks, Adobe Acrobat (open pdfs that don't work quite right in Chrome), and a simulation program running in a remote desktop window; I can glance down at the taskbar to see all of them and quickly switch between them. I can glance over to see printer and network status. I have ... 17 tabs open in Chrome. Not unusual for browsing, but often I have way more programs running.

So I guess that would be zero "apps". I think there are some of those widget things on the desktop for weather and stocks but I rarely look at them. My use case doesn't seem that unusual when I look at how other people use their machines.

Metro modern whatever you call it would severely constrain my computing lifestyle. I tried IE 10 modern several times over a period of months, and tried to see the bright side. Each time I wanted to kick a hole in the screen after about 20 minutes. It's pure shiat. And I can be reasonably satisfied using an ipad or android tablet, because although it can't do everything I want, it doesn't dick with me every step of the way and do random shiat like put the address bar at the bottom of the screen.
 
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