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2013-01-14 12:42:22 PM  
The Rover cartoon helper in Bob appeared, unchanged, as the Search Companion in Windows XP's Windows Explorer. Rover and his similarly designed cohorts -- Merlin the magician, Earl the surfer, and Courtney (the courtesan?) -- offered to help perform local searches on the Windows XP desktop.

I actually have Rover as the "Search" character. I like him.
 
2013-01-14 12:42:48 PM  

likefunbutnot: and the Xbox is certainly the dominant gaming platform now


Huh? Dominant?

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2013-01-14 12:44:07 PM  

styckx: The Metro Apps are the biggest disappointment. I love Metro for organizing my stuff but holy shiat the app store is filled with bullshiat.. I haven't' found a single redeeming app yet.. Microsofts app store managed to fill itself up with more useless shiat made by some developer in a basement in Singapore than the Google Play Store. It's also organized like shiat too.


I haven't toyed much around with it, but noting the lack of an easy-to-use media player for all my music I already have. I couldn't have been that hard to take WMP and alter it for the Metro UI.
I must say that I do like the social networking tile, though. Being able to put FB, Twitter or anything else in one tile that auto-updates (and caches recent updates) is pretty slick. Dig the weather tile, as well.
Oh, last gripe... but this has a bit more to do with my ISP. Comcast doesn't officially support IMAP or EAS, so the built-in mail tile won't let me use my primary email account, and unless I sign up for the beta IMAP program, is pretty much useless to me.

Unless I'm using the Smartglass App, or laying in bed surfing, I' ve been pretty much sticking to the older Win7 UI.
 
2013-01-14 12:45:09 PM  
Not releasing the other DOS 4 was perhaps not a mistake, but was still a Bad Thing. Having a decent, cheap, multitasking system back in the day would have been nice (but might have shoved out well-made tools like, Desqview, too).
 
2013-01-14 12:46:52 PM  
So many Windows 8 hate threads...

I haven't used it yet, but I bought a copy of Windows 8 for my new computer. Why? Better licensing. It was $100 for both Windows 7 OEM and Windows 8 OEM, but Windows 8 you can actually upgrade the motherboard without invalidating your license. Plus, you're not supposed to use Windows 7 OEM to build your own computer and the retail Windows 7 package was $200. Windows 8 OEM specifically has Personal Use License for building your own PC.

Metro UI seems like a small price to pay for vastly superior licensing.
 
2013-01-14 12:52:01 PM  

Lsherm: I upgraded to 8 from 7 two weeks ago, and I'm doing a clean install of 8 right now. Here's my overriding suggestion: DON'T DO AN UPGRADE.


Well, for $40, you get a full Win8 Pro key (still available till the end of Jan). Doing an upgrade might be the only option a lot of people have, since the full install key might be a tad more expensive.

So, what I did was a fresh install of 7, then went to 8. No problems noted.
 
2013-01-14 12:54:10 PM  

RoxtarRyan: Lsherm: I upgraded to 8 from 7 two weeks ago, and I'm doing a clean install of 8 right now. Here's my overriding suggestion: DON'T DO AN UPGRADE.

Well, for $40, you get a full Win8 Pro key (still available till the end of Jan). Doing an upgrade might be the only option a lot of people have, since the full install key might be a tad more expensive.

So, what I did was a fresh install of 7, then went to 8. No problems noted.


I don't care what OS it is clean install is greater than upgrade.
 
2013-01-14 01:01:59 PM  
lucksi: You know your company has problems when Vista and ME are not even listed...

You know how I can tell you DRTFA?
 
2013-01-14 01:09:05 PM  

gbob23: Wouldn't it be quicker to make a list of what they did right?

DOS
Windows 95
Windows XP
Office

Even these will be debated by folks.

Danger of getting fat and lazy, folks. Are you paying attention Google?


I dunno, I kinda thought Age of Empires II was pretty darn good. And Windows 7.
 
2013-01-14 01:10:23 PM  

jst3p: likefunbutnot: and the Xbox is certainly the dominant gaming platform now

Huh? Dominant?

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You're not supposed to look at the number of sales! You're supposed to look at the change in the rate of change of the percentage of sales! And you can clearly see that the change in the rate of change of the percentage of sales is clearly in microsoft's favor here.
 
2013-01-14 01:13:07 PM  

Fark Me Runnin: gbob23: Wouldn't it be quicker to make a list of what they did right?

DOS
Windows 95
Windows XP
Office

Even these will be debated by folks.

Danger of getting fat and lazy, folks. Are you paying attention Google?

I dunno, I kinda thought Age of Empires II was pretty darn good. And Windows 7.


In the late 90's they made a damn good mouse too.
 
2013-01-14 01:14:40 PM  

xria: Windows 8 is going to be a disaster for most users for quite a while, maybe the entire of its product cycle. The fact that you can end up with Skype (Modern UI) and Skype for Desktop installed on the same PC (and you need skype for desktop currently if you want to send files and various other things) and if someone calls you both versions start ringing, and whichever one you answer, the other continues ringing while you are on the call unless you switch and manually turn it off. Of course a temporary solution is to uninstall all Modern UI apps so you don't accidentally end up in Modern UI when you double click files (like pdf's, say) and install classic shell with all options on.


Are you freaking serious?
Wow that's awful. I had no idea.
 
2013-01-14 01:26:24 PM  
Games for Windows Live aka an interface so bad as to make GTA IV unplayable.

I'd also put up as a misstep the change they put into office a few years back. They took out the standard tried-and-true copied by everyone and their mother menu bar of 'file edit xxx yyy zzz help' and replaced it with a button. I'm a computer geek and I still haven't been able to find where they put all the stuff I used to use - mainly because after trying to find 'save as' for fifteen minutes I decided it would be quicker to download OpenOffice, get the old interface back, and never have to pay $100 to open an excel file again.
 
2013-01-14 01:30:41 PM  

State_College_Arsonist: Courier would have been interesting to see. Maybe they'll dust off the concept one day.


This.

But only if Apple or Android took the concept and ran with it.

Microsoft has one good hardware product, the Xbox. Every other HW product they have released has been an absolute disaster.
 
2013-01-14 01:31:43 PM  

RoxtarRyan: Lsherm: I upgraded to 8 from 7 two weeks ago, and I'm doing a clean install of 8 right now. Here's my overriding suggestion: DON'T DO AN UPGRADE.

Well, for $40, you get a full Win8 Pro key (still available till the end of Jan). Doing an upgrade might be the only option a lot of people have, since the full install key might be a tad more expensive.

So, what I did was a fresh install of 7, then went to 8. No problems noted.


If you get a full key for $40, then shouldn't you just be able to do a new install?

I got mine off technet, so I don't know the pricing.
 
2013-01-14 01:34:52 PM  

jst3p: RoxtarRyan: Lsherm: I upgraded to 8 from 7 two weeks ago, and I'm doing a clean install of 8 right now. Here's my overriding suggestion: DON'T DO AN UPGRADE.

Well, for $40, you get a full Win8 Pro key (still available till the end of Jan). Doing an upgrade might be the only option a lot of people have, since the full install key might be a tad more expensive.

So, what I did was a fresh install of 7, then went to 8. No problems noted.

I don't care what OS it is clean install is greater than upgrade.


A windows 8 upgrade key will allow you to do a clean install. When you run the upgrade process from within an existing windows install it asks you if you want to "keep application, documents and setting" (i.e. upgrade) or do a fresh installation.
 
2013-01-14 01:44:16 PM  
Not moving their HQ to Texas was a blunder; we could have had Winders.
 
2013-01-14 01:44:46 PM  

Pinko_Commie: jst3p: RoxtarRyan: Lsherm: I upgraded to 8 from 7 two weeks ago, and I'm doing a clean install of 8 right now. Here's my overriding suggestion: DON'T DO AN UPGRADE.

Well, for $40, you get a full Win8 Pro key (still available till the end of Jan). Doing an upgrade might be the only option a lot of people have, since the full install key might be a tad more expensive.

So, what I did was a fresh install of 7, then went to 8. No problems noted.

I don't care what OS it is clean install is greater than upgrade.

A windows 8 upgrade key will allow you to do a clean install. When you run the upgrade process from within an existing windows install it asks you if you want to "keep application, documents and setting" (i.e. upgrade) or do a fresh installation.


I find it hilarious that this thread is now devolved into troubleshooting the latest Windows install.
 
2013-01-14 01:48:43 PM  

Cymbal: State_College_Arsonist: Courier would have been interesting to see. Maybe they'll dust off the concept one day.

This.

But only if Apple or Android took the concept and ran with it.

Microsoft has one good hardware product, the Xbox. Every other HW product they have released has been an absolute disaster.


They don't have the best track record with using the other companies hardware either. A perfect example is MS not implementing Blu Ray drivers/codecs right out of the box because it would increase the cost by $2 per Windows license. Laptop and drive manufacturers either provide it for their products or people have to go to third party products like VLC which provides it for free.
 
2013-01-14 01:49:39 PM  

Karac: Games for Windows Live aka an interface so bad as to make GTA IV unplayable.


I thought I was the only person who was annoyed by the "Games for Windows Live" bullshiat I had to go through every single time I started up GTA IV.

Because I am a human being with human psychologically, I just rationalized it away, figuring that either I was doing something wrong, or it wasn't nearly as terrible as I imagined it to be. I figured there was no way that any project manager could have possibly tested screens and not physically throttled to death the folks responsible for the game the way that I experienced it, so I decided that therefore it must be my problem.

Games for Windows Live is perfect evidence of just how downright hostile and antagonistic Microsoft is toward their customers.
 
2013-01-14 01:57:28 PM  
#12: The registry
 
2013-01-14 01:57:31 PM  

ipsofacto: I upgraded our two older XP desktops last week (one for $15, shoulda lied to save on other maybe). One is in the kids room, and I think the interface will work for him. The other is relegated to mostly media playing (with a free win8 media player voucher). It was kinda a hassle switching between modes/programs to set things up, but the upgrade overall seemed worth the expense. I might even upgrade my mother's XP. Our gaming pc will remain 7, largely because I want to retain XP compatability.

It's really a matter of your needs/usage. I don't particularly see the advantage of 8 over 7; but by all accounts I've read, 8, despite the start screen, is a solid OS. At the moment, the price is right.


This is actually true. Under the hood, 8 is just 7 with more refinements. The problem is that goddamned half-baked Frankenstein of a UI. Just pony up $5 for Start8 and forget Metro ever existed.

/and ENIAC help us if they decide to kill the "legacy" desktop in 9...
 
2013-01-14 01:58:43 PM  

pkellmey: They don't have the best track record with using the other companies hardware either. A perfect example is MS not implementing Blu Ray drivers/codecs right out of the box because it would increase the cost by $2 per Windows license. Laptop and drive manufacturers either provide it for their products or people have to go to third party products like VLC which provides it for free.


You're just talking about Windows 7, right?

Because there's no possible way that any company that wants to dominate the home media market, and with SIXTY BILLION DOLLARS IN CASH, could possibly have shipped Windows 8 without the ability to play Blu-Ray out of the box. That would be absolute insanity.

Microsoft would save perhaps a hundred million dollars a year in Blu-Ray license fees, and in return giving up any hope to dominate a home media market that has the potential to be worth billions of dollars a year in in the next few years. There's no way that any well-run company could ever make a bone-headed decision like that.
 
2013-01-14 01:59:08 PM  

jst3p: likefunbutnot: and the Xbox is certainly the dominant gaming platform now

Huh? Dominant?

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jst3p: likefunbutnot: and the Xbox is certainly the dominant gaming platform now

Huh? Dominant?

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I find this one interesting.
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2013-01-14 01:59:45 PM  

The Larch: pkellmey: They don't have the best track record with using the other companies hardware either. A perfect example is MS not implementing Blu Ray drivers/codecs right out of the box because it would increase the cost by $2 per Windows license. Laptop and drive manufacturers either provide it for their products or people have to go to third party products like VLC which provides it for free.

You're just talking about Windows 7, right?

Because there's no possible way that any company that wants to dominate the home media market, and with SIXTY BILLION DOLLARS IN CASH, could possibly have shipped Windows 8 without the ability to play Blu-Ray out of the box. That would be absolute insanity.

Microsoft would save perhaps a hundred million dollars a year in Blu-Ray license fees, and in return giving up any hope to dominate a home media market that has the potential to be worth billions of dollars a year in in the next few years. There's no way that any well-run company could ever make a bone-headed decision like that.


Nope, they are, indeed, that stupid.
 
2013-01-14 02:09:34 PM  

gbob23: DOS


They got the marketing right.  They got the OS wrong.

MS-DOS was a turd, even for 1981.  It included some improvements over CP/M, but it could be argued that it was still the inferior OS.  Next to the multitasking, multiuser MP/M, it was primitive.  Same when compared to Microware OS-9 for the MC6809.  One of the best OSes for the 8086 was probably Coherent, a Version 7 UNIX clone from MWC released in '83.

Sure, early IBM PCs were very resource limited.  But just take a look at  GeckOS and OS-9 as examples of a mutlitasking OS that runs well with only 64KB of memory.
 
2013-01-14 02:12:19 PM  

Hertzfeld: The fact that you can end up with Skype (Modern UI) and Skype for Desktop installed on the same PC (and you need skype for desktop currently if you want to send files and various other things) and if someone calls you both versions start ringing, and whichever one you answer, the other continues ringing while you are on the call unless you switch and manually turn it off.

Are you freaking serious?
Wow that's awful. I had no idea.


Who the hell is dumb enough to have both the Skype app and the desktop version of Skype running at the same time?
 
2013-01-14 02:12:23 PM  

RTFA: #12: The registry


Sadly, the registry was one of those things they more or less sort of got right, kind of. Having a unified database for settings, with a unified API and security infrastructure, is objectively better than spreading all of the configuration around hundreds of tiny files, each with their own unique encoding, syntax, and grammar.

On the other hand, if that unified database for settings has piss-poor browsing and editing tools, no meta-data repository, an easily corruptible physical representation, and gives every installer the rights to crap anything it wants anywhere it wants anywhere in the whole registry, with no possible way for anyone to ever find out what happened? Yeah, that kind of sucks.
 
2013-01-14 02:13:42 PM  

bighairyguy: I got a new laptop Saturday and I've been doing battle with Windows 8 since then.  The Tiles screen is perfect for ADD people.


I can't believe they resurrected Pointcast.
 
2013-01-14 02:14:34 PM  

Handsome B. Wonderful: Hertzfeld: The fact that you can end up with Skype (Modern UI) and Skype for Desktop installed on the same PC (and you need skype for desktop currently if you want to send files and various other things) and if someone calls you both versions start ringing, and whichever one you answer, the other continues ringing while you are on the call unless you switch and manually turn it off.

Are you freaking serious?
Wow that's awful. I had no idea.

Who the hell is dumb enough to have both the Skype app and the desktop version of Skype running at the same time?


Absolutely 100% agreed. Any product manager who allowed the developers to write a product where both versions could be running at the same time is incredibly dumb.
 
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2013-01-14 02:15:31 PM  

gbob23: Wouldn't it be quicker to make a list of what they did right?

DOS
Windows 95
Windows XP
Office

Even these will be debated by folks.

Danger of getting fat and lazy, folks. Are you paying attention Google?


95 was a freaking nightmare and blew chunks.
95 OSR 2 is probably what you mean when you say 95.

It's debatable whether or not 9X should be even on the list of good things because of the 16-bit kludges they kept in.
 
2013-01-14 02:24:45 PM  

The Larch: Handsome B. Wonderful: Hertzfeld: The fact that you can end up with Skype (Modern UI) and Skype for Desktop installed on the same PC (and you need skype for desktop currently if you want to send files and various other things) and if someone calls you both versions start ringing, and whichever one you answer, the other continues ringing while you are on the call unless you switch and manually turn it off.

Are you freaking serious?
Wow that's awful. I had no idea.

Who the hell is dumb enough to have both the Skype app and the desktop version of Skype running at the same time?

Absolutely 100% agreed. Any product manager who allowed the developers to write a product where both versions could be running at the same time is incredibly dumb.


Is there no use case for one copy running with user and the other version with the other? I know it'd be an odd one, but there's nothing inherently wrong with both versions running. The flaw is that the other instances don't stop ringing when one is answered.
 
2013-01-14 02:24:48 PM  

styckx: Microsoft misstep No. 13: DOS 4.0


I remember dealing with that disaster when I sold PCs. And God help you if you bought a Hyundai PC pre-loaded with Dos 4. You could not replace it with anything else. The computer would not boot. I kid you not. And DOS 3.3 had been such a good product.
 
2013-01-14 02:30:46 PM  

jst3p: likefunbutnot: As a geek with a long memory, I'm glad that they included DOS 4.

I am annoyed that they omitted DOS 6


Who knew ripping off Stacker was going to be such a problem for them?
 
2013-01-14 02:37:59 PM  

ProfessorOhki: jst3p: likefunbutnot: and the Xbox is certainly the dominant gaming platform now

Huh? Dominant?

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jst3p: likefunbutnot: and the Xbox is certainly the dominant gaming platform now

Huh? Dominant?

[martinhingley.files.wordpress.com image 468x349]

I find this one interesting.
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That one tells me that since 2006 Nintendo has sold more consoles than anyone, by a long shot.
 
2013-01-14 02:38:22 PM  

jst3p: Fark Me Runnin: gbob23: Wouldn't it be quicker to make a list of what they did right?

DOS
Windows 95
Windows XP
Office

Even these will be debated by folks.

Danger of getting fat and lazy, folks. Are you paying attention Google?

I dunno, I kinda thought Age of Empires II was pretty darn good. And Windows 7.

In the late 90's they made a damn good mouse too.


aOe the entire series was good.. I still play age of mythology
also arguably dotnet was a success as was sqlserver

/i have yet to buy a M$oft OS. I'm sticking with xp til they pry it from my cold dead pc
 
2013-01-14 02:39:18 PM  

Cymbal: State_College_Arsonist: Courier would have been interesting to see. Maybe they'll dust off the concept one day.

This.

But only if Apple or Android took the concept and ran with it.

Microsoft has one good hardware product, the Xbox. Every other HW product they have released has been an absolute disaster.


Their force-feedback joysticks were nice and their force-feedback steering wheel was great. (But neither of those ever got drivers for Windows XP, so they're dead and useless.) And they made a damned nice trackball for a while. Gave my beloved Logitech a real run for the money. And a lot of people really liked their ergonomic keyboards.
 
2013-01-14 02:43:13 PM  

rpm: It's debatable whether or not 9X should be even on the list of good things because of the 16-bit kludges they kept in.


It was a necessary evil of the time.  There was just not enough uptake of WinAPI for programs to ditch all of the Real Mode compatibility.

In hindsight, one of Microsoft's greatest mistakes was in not developing a 32-bit DOS extender that utilized the WinAPI.  Imagine if we had HX DOS Extender or some other Win32s extender in 1992/93.  It would still be more lightweight than running Windows 3.x or NT, but it would bring apps into the Protected Mode fold.
 
2013-01-14 02:43:51 PM  

sedric: jst3p: Fark Me Runnin: gbob23: Wouldn't it be quicker to make a list of what they did right?

DOS
Windows 95
Windows XP
Office

Even these will be debated by folks.

Danger of getting fat and lazy, folks. Are you paying attention Google?

I dunno, I kinda thought Age of Empires II was pretty darn good. And Windows 7.

In the late 90's they made a damn good mouse too.

aOe the entire series was good.. I still play age of mythology
also arguably dotnet was a success as was sqlserver

/i have yet to buy a M$oft OS. I'm sticking with xp til they pry it from my cold dead pc


Didn't they just buy the small company that was almost done creating the original AoE? Too lazy to google but thats how my memory recalls it.
 
2013-01-14 02:43:53 PM  
Eight pages? Is that an allegory for Windows 8?.
 
2013-01-14 02:45:44 PM  

pkellmey: They don't have the best track record with using the other companies hardware either. A perfect example is MS not implementing Blu Ray drivers/codecs right out of the box because it would increase the cost by $2 per Windows license. Laptop and drive manufacturers either provide it for their products or people have to go to third party products like VLC which provides it for free.


Why in the hell would an operating system have the driver/codecs for playing blue-rays included when the goddamned blu-ray drive manufacturer provides them with the drive?
 
2013-01-14 02:49:24 PM  

Egoy3k: pkellmey: They don't have the best track record with using the other companies hardware either. A perfect example is MS not implementing Blu Ray drivers/codecs right out of the box because it would increase the cost by $2 per Windows license. Laptop and drive manufacturers either provide it for their products or people have to go to third party products like VLC which provides it for free.

Why in the hell would an operating system have the driver/codecs for playing blue-rays included when the goddamned blu-ray drive manufacturer provides them with the drive?


And this is why we can't have nice things. Whenever someone says, "you know, this implementation of X is less than optimal because Y", someone else comes along and says "No, it's because YOU SO STUPID YOU DO IT WRONG!"
 
2013-01-14 02:54:36 PM  

The Larch: Egoy3k: pkellmey: They don't have the best track record with using the other companies hardware either. A perfect example is MS not implementing Blu Ray drivers/codecs right out of the box because it would increase the cost by $2 per Windows license. Laptop and drive manufacturers either provide it for their products or people have to go to third party products like VLC which provides it for free.

Why in the hell would an operating system have the driver/codecs for playing blue-rays included when the goddamned blu-ray drive manufacturer provides them with the drive?

And this is why we can't have nice things. Whenever someone says, "you know, this implementation of X is less than optimal because Y", someone else comes along and says "No, it's because YOU SO STUPID YOU DO IT WRONG!"


Well it is pretty stupid to expect that the operating system includes all drivers and codecs for all media formats regardless of the fact that the hardware that it is installed on may or may not ever include a reader for those formats.

It is pretty intelligent to allow the hardware manufacturers to include the necessary codecs/drivers for the devices that they are selling.
 
2013-01-14 02:55:01 PM  

jst3p: ProfessorOhki: jst3p: likefunbutnot: and the Xbox is certainly the dominant gaming platform now

Huh? Dominant?

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I find this one interesting.
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That one tells me that since 2006 Nintendo has sold more consoles than anyone, by a long shot.


Also, there's that whole issue where the Nintendo consoles usually cost ~1/2 of what the Sony/MS offerings do. Comparing their market shares in terms of $ doesn't seem full picture. A market with 99 $10k cars and a $1m car isn't being dominated by the expensive car. When you remember that the profit in gaming comes from software sales, you don't care if the console turns a profit of $0 if it gets you into every living room.
 
2013-01-14 03:03:49 PM  

jst3p: sedric: jst3p: Fark Me Runnin: gbob23: Wouldn't it be quicker to make a list of what they did right?

DOS
Windows 95
Windows XP
Office

Even these will be debated by folks.

Danger of getting fat and lazy, folks. Are you paying attention Google?

I dunno, I kinda thought Age of Empires II was pretty darn good. And Windows 7.

In the late 90's they made a damn good mouse too.

aOe the entire series was good.. I still play age of mythology
also arguably dotnet was a success as was sqlserver

/i have yet to buy a M$oft OS. I'm sticking with xp til they pry it from my cold dead pc

Didn't they just buy the small company that was almost done creating the original AoE? Too lazy to google but thats how my memory recalls it.


you are correct sir

Ensemble Studios was involved at one point.. from wiki

Ensemble Studios was a video game developer initially established in 1995 as an independent company by Tony Goodman, Rick Goodman and John Boog-Scott, but was acquired by Microsoft in 2001 and operated as an internal studio until 2009, when it was officially disbanded.[1] Ensemble developed many real-time strategy games, including the Age of Empires game series, Age of Mythology, and Halo Wars. In addition to game development, Ensemble Studios also made the Genie Game Engine used in Age of Empires, Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings, and Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds.

i think they sensed the writing on the wall that pc game sales were not going to expand and that the xbox was their moneymaker

too bad.
 
2013-01-14 03:06:18 PM  

Egoy3k: pkellmey: They don't have the best track record with using the other companies hardware either. A perfect example is MS not implementing Blu Ray drivers/codecs right out of the box because it would increase the cost by $2 per Windows license. Laptop and drive manufacturers either provide it for their products or people have to go to third party products like VLC which provides it for free.

Why in the hell would an operating system have the driver/codecs for playing blue-rays included when the goddamned blu-ray drive manufacturer provides them with the drive?


None of my Blu-Ray drives came with codecs. I had to buy third-party software to play Blu-Ray movies.
 
2013-01-14 03:08:39 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Egoy3k: pkellmey: They don't have the best track record with using the other companies hardware either. A perfect example is MS not implementing Blu Ray drivers/codecs right out of the box because it would increase the cost by $2 per Windows license. Laptop and drive manufacturers either provide it for their products or people have to go to third party products like VLC which provides it for free.

Why in the hell would an operating system have the driver/codecs for playing blue-rays included when the goddamned blu-ray drive manufacturer provides them with the drive?

None of my Blu-Ray drives came with codecs. I had to buy third-party software to play Blu-Ray movies.


Neither did mine, which is why I use VLC (free) to play them and MakeMKV (Free) to rip them on to my hard drive.
 
2013-01-14 03:10:53 PM  

adenosine: So many Windows 8 hate threads...

I haven't used it yet, but I bought a copy of Windows 8 for my new computer. Why? Better licensing. It was $100 for both Windows 7 OEM and Windows 8 OEM, but Windows 8 you can actually upgrade the motherboard without invalidating your license.


When installing an OEM copy of Windows 7 on a new motherboard, you just need to call MS and re-validate to release the key. Takes 10 minutes. I know this cause I've done it to two different systems.

Plus, you're not supposed to use Windows 7 OEM to build your own computer

LOLWUT? That's EXACTLY was OEM is for, new computers and single hardware installation.

I have Windows 8 on my HTPC, it's not bad. Metro is unnecessary garbage, but I just use classic start menu. I agree with everyone's complaints regarding the interface, completely unnecessary change done solely to push MS mobile. Since I'm using Win8 on my HTPC, where I'm usually rocking VLC or the Netflix app, it doesn't bother me too much. But if I had to actually do something productive with it, I'm pretty sure I would of fired this damn thing through a wall.

/It is much faster on bootup, sleep, and hibernation though, love that.
 
2013-01-14 03:15:18 PM  

dletter: styckx: Microsoft misstep No. 13: DOS 4.0
Microsoft misstep No. 12: The evil cuties Bob, Clippy, and Rover
Microsoft misstep No. 11: Zune, Kin, Courier, Windows Mobile, and missing the consumer mobile boat
Microsoft misstep No. 10: Bad Windows: Do they run in cycles?
Microsoft misstep No. 9: Windows Ultimate
Microsoft misstep No. 8: Windows Genuine Advantage
Microsoft misstep No. 7. Branding
Microsoft misstep No. 6. Windows Live
Microsoft misstep No. 5: Windows 8
Microsoft misstep No. 4: Windows 8 branding
Microsoft misstep No. 3: Missed opportunities in the cloud
Microsoft misstep No. 2: Management musical chairs
Microsoft misstep No. 1: Internet Explorer 6

Not a bad list, but, way out of order as far as how bad it is for Microsoft.

#11 should clearly be #1.... because they had the desktop platform market basically locked in in the late 90s & early 2000's, even more than today... they could have gotten out in front of Apple in the mobile device space and had products that really cleanly worked well and synced well with their OS.  Instead they fumbled around with it and with the music space, neither of which I think they'll be able to really get above #3 on ahead of Apple & Google/Android now.


It's never been in their nature to lead, which is the takeaway lesson from all this.
 
2013-01-14 03:18:52 PM  

styckx: I think Microsofts biggest misstep was Windows ME. And not because of the typical because it's fun to make fun of Windows Me but because Windows 2000 was already farking out an 3000% superior to it. I have no idea to this day why Microsoft pushed yet another FAT32 OS to the moon over a superior NTFS based product that was already on the market and largely never marketed. The NT file system was 100% ready for prime time in Windows 2000 and MS just dropped the ball completely. Yet they market the popular opposite. An unstable bluescreen generating shiatstick.


At the time it was thought that the typical "consumer home PC" being sold at retail stores was nowhere near powerful enough to run Windows 2000 quickly enough to satisfy end users. Hence the Windows 2000 Professional but no Windows 2000 Home version. That was Windows Millennium Edition, which was essentially the last of the DOS-based Windows with as much Windows 2000 goodies bolted on, like System Restore. It was a rushed disaster. The irony is just a few years later they would shove Vista out on those home machines that couldn't run it quickly enough, the very thing they tried to avoid with Windows Me.
 
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