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2013-01-14 09:25:32 AM  
When you play it, it says, "QA is a raving nutter!" over and over again.
 
2013-01-14 09:28:34 AM  
Now I know how I want to release my first album
 
2013-01-14 09:30:55 AM  
I'm meh on this one, it doesn't blow me away

i mean it's not really a new record in production,

i ran out of puns

/still additive manufacturing can have interesting applications regardless of what you know who whines.
//3d printed casting molds from 3d models, this is for impellers in the 3 foot diameter range
 
2013-01-14 09:31:31 AM  

cretinbob: Now I know how I want to release my first album


very slowly? With a binder agent?
 
2013-01-14 09:35:48 AM  
I was listening to 3D printed vinyl before it was cool
 
2013-01-14 09:38:17 AM  
All snark aside, that was pretty cool. I didn't think you could get the resolution to print an audio groove, however low-fi. But it was actually recognizable as "Smells Like Teen Spirit".
 
2013-01-14 09:40:25 AM  
Wouldn't the point of this be to make the record out of something more durable than vinyl?
 
2013-01-14 09:42:59 AM  
I like it. Download and print your records, and print new ones when they wear out.

I don't see myself ever owning a record player again, but I still think this is neat Frankenlog technology.
 
2013-01-14 09:43:14 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Wouldn't the point of this be to make the record out of something more durable than vinyl?


Then you lose the warm sound.
 
2013-01-14 09:44:04 AM  

loonatic112358: very slowly? With a binder agent?


OK. Song is coming out.
 
2013-01-14 09:45:10 AM  
Cookie disclaimers are annoying as shiat
 
2013-01-14 09:52:18 AM  

vudukungfu: OK. Song is coming out.


twitter the progress as you produce what you plan to drop on release
 
2013-01-14 09:52:43 AM  
I really need to get myself a decent 3D Printer setup. I make 3D models already... would be nice to occasionally print them up and hold them in my hands. :)
 
2013-01-14 09:55:03 AM  
The real trick will be doing this from a PICTURE of the album

/BTW I only know the term "nutter" (as opposed to say, nutjob) from QA and those commenting on him -- is it a Britishism?
 
2013-01-14 09:56:34 AM  

JohnnyC: I really need to get myself a decent 3D Printer setup. I make 3D models already... would be nice to occasionally print them up and hold them in my hands. :)


cubify just came out with a new one
 
2013-01-14 09:58:33 AM  

JohnnyC: I really need to get myself a decent 3D Printer setup. I make 3D models already... would be nice to occasionally print them up and hold them in my hands. :)


Every time I think about my getting a 3D printer, I think about office copiers and their reliability and maintenance...

then I shudder and resolve to pay someone to make physical models for me
 
2013-01-14 10:09:11 AM  

loonatic112358: cubify just came out with a new one


Yeah... a wee bit outside of my price range at the moment. Their multi-color one looks good, but again... $2500 is more than I can drop on something like that right now. Last big expenditure for a piece of hardware for me was a Wacom Cintiq 12wx, which cost me $1000.

OhioKnight: Every time I think about my getting a 3D printer, I think about office copiers and their reliability and maintenance...

then I shudder and resolve to pay someone to make physical models for me


One of the hardware stores is offering 3D printing these days... haven't checked into their pricing. Also, they're using the paper/layer technique, which I'm not that keen on. I'd prefer polymer printing.
 
2013-01-14 10:10:40 AM  
Whoa... just looked and cubify's pricing on the ABS cartridge is $50 per cartridge (with lowered prices on bulk orders)... yeesh.
 
2013-01-14 10:12:53 AM  
It's been done:

i45.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-14 10:14:08 AM  
in spaaacccccceeeeeeeeeee.
 
2013-01-14 10:15:37 AM  
is it digital or analogue?
 
2013-01-14 10:18:00 AM  

JohnnyC: One of the hardware stores is offering 3D printing these days... haven't checked into their pricing. Also, they're using the paper/layer technique, which I'm not that keen on. I'd prefer polymer printing.



Staples is supposed to be doing 3d printing soon

then there's shapeways, ponoko, redeye and techshop if you have one near you
 
2013-01-14 10:26:35 AM  
So they used a digital printer to print the vinyl record. So essentially they have an easily damaged CD?
 
2013-01-14 10:33:05 AM  

JohnnyC: One of the hardware stores is offering 3D printing these days... haven't checked into their pricing. Also, they're using the paper/layer technique, which I'm not that keen on. I'd prefer polymer printing.


The purposes of the paper model are for business demonstration purposes. You can show off what your product will look like, its not functional, but its cheap to make and can easily be disposed of as well.
 
2013-01-14 10:35:26 AM  

Egoy3k: So they used a digital printer to print the vinyl record. So essentially they have an easily damaged CD?


Have you ever checked out 10 year old CDs?
 
2013-01-14 10:36:32 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Egoy3k: So they used a digital printer to print the vinyl record. So essentially they have an easily damaged CD?

Have you ever checked out 10 year old CDs?


Yeah I have a bunch in my car I listen to them often. Why?
 
2013-01-14 10:40:25 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Egoy3k: So they used a digital printer to print the vinyl record. So essentially they have an easily damaged CD?

Have you ever checked out 10 year old CDs?


Actually, you need to check the CD's of 5 year olds. At least based on what I've seen them do to DVD's.
 
2013-01-14 10:50:36 AM  
I wonder if it can print any decent music?
 
2013-01-14 11:01:23 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Wouldn't the point of this be to make the record out of something more durable than vinyl?


The "point" of this is showing off what can be done with a state-of-the-art 3D printer.

It's a "Dancing Bear" sort of thing-- The fact that the bear S-U-C-K-S at dancing is beside the point.  It's damn impressive that the bear can dance at all.
 
2013-01-14 11:07:09 AM  
Could 3D printed records lead to a new form piracy in the future? Ghassaei thinks not. She says, "It would be a huge amount of effort to go to. I can't imagine this is what the technology would be used for."

Seems like a lot of expense to go to to get that Vanilla Ice album you could have almost instantly off of iTunes.
 
2013-01-14 11:07:51 AM  
I was about to post how 3D printing would never be a practical way to create records....

...Then I realized that records themselves are laughably impractical and have been for over 20 years now.
 
2013-01-14 11:11:22 AM  

Riche: I was about to post how 3D printing would never be a practical way to create records....

...Then I realized that records themselves are laughably impractical and have been for over 20 years now.


What exactly was the alternative in 1993 ?
 
2013-01-14 11:14:22 AM  
Wake me up when they create a  3D printed Cardassian data rod.
 
2013-01-14 11:15:56 AM  

padraig: What exactly was the alternative in 1993 ?


I had a CD player in '91.
 
2013-01-14 11:16:31 AM  

padraig: Riche: I was about to post how 3D printing would never be a practical way to create records....

...Then I realized that records themselves are laughably impractical and have been for over 20 years now.

What exactly was the alternative in 1993 ?


In 1993 CDs had already been on the market for 10 years.
 
2013-01-14 11:16:50 AM  

StrikitRich: Could 3D printed records lead to a new form piracy in the future? Ghassaei thinks not. She says, "It would be a huge amount of effort to go to. I can't imagine this is what the technology would be used for."

Seems like a lot of expense to go to to get that Vanilla Ice album you could have almost instantly off of iTunes.


You would have to start with the audio file to generate the CAD file anyway.

=========================

I wonder if these high end 3D printers are more precise in the XY direction than in the Z direction.

Would it be able to make a higher sounding quality resin replica of a wax cylinder if it was printed on one end and going up?

Not that any wax cylinder players were considered "Hi-Fi."
 
2013-01-14 11:19:20 AM  

padraig: Riche: I was about to post how 3D printing would never be a practical way to create records....

...Then I realized that records themselves are laughably impractical and have been for over 20 years now.

What exactly was the alternative in 1993 ?



CD players that had over a decade to mature.
 
2013-01-14 11:25:06 AM  
Next up: 8 tracks.
 
2013-01-14 11:27:12 AM  
I doubt my 3D printer could do this... I recently finished building the reprap mendel which is an open source version. I spent about 800 bucks and the printing material is about 30 bucks per kilogram. I checked out the Cubify and other 3D printers but they were all at least twice the price. Also cubify uses their own cartridges that are 3 times the price of the equivilant amount of material. It was a pretty challenging build for me but I figure if you have a hardware background it would be pretty straight forward. I had to learn how to solder.

I'm still commissioning it right now so I'll be printing with it this week should I get the free time to do so. Then I will proceed to improve the design and add more colors and materials. I can print solder which could be useful if I want to embed wiring within a part.
 
2013-01-14 11:27:14 AM  

padraig: What exactly was the alternative in 1993 ?


Cassettes.
 
2013-01-14 11:42:16 AM  

SmokeyS: is it digital or analogue?


It's an analogue recording reproduced digitally. No, wait. The information the printer was given was digital so it's an analogue representation of digital ....aaarrrrgggh my head is exploding
 
2013-01-14 11:46:48 AM  

Riche: I was about to post how 3D printing would never be a practical way to create records....

...Then I realized that records themselves are laughably impractical and have been for over 20 years now.


Impractical to whom? Records have been the medium of choice for DJs up until the last few years as CDDJs became better and finally the appearance of programs like Traktor and Ableton Live.

Sadly, digital has pretty much turned the art of DJing on its head. It doesn't take skill and practice any more, anyone can get up there and fake it. And many do. Skrillex, Deadmau5, and so many other twits wouldn't be able to mix records to save their lives.

Anyway, as interesting a possibility as it is to print your own records, I can't imagine it being practical. A 24/96 vinyl rip of a 12" single is anywhere from 300-500 MB. I'd imagine something like this needing several gigs to have decent sound quality.

So to assemble enough for a DJ set could take anywhere from a week to a month, need several TBs worth of storage. Yeah, not going to happen. Nowadays you can download enough for a DJ set with an hour or two, set it all up in Live and be ready to go that night.

As much as I'd like vinyl to make a comeback in DJing, it's not going to happen.
 
2013-01-14 11:52:42 AM  
I bet that would sound better with a $1500 pure copper braided cable with solid gold connections hooked to the authentic vaccuum tube speakers.
 
2013-01-14 12:10:33 PM  
Did anyone else thing the "fuzz" on top of Teen Spirit sounded like the background noise frequently heard on Numbers Stations?
 
2013-01-14 12:11:02 PM  
JohnnyC:
One of the hardware stores is offering 3D printing these days... haven't checked into their pricing. Also, they're using the paper/layer technique, which I'm not that keen on. I'd prefer polymer printing.

Apparently some paper processes produce a wood-like appearance, that might be great for some stuff.
 
2013-01-14 12:19:56 PM  

Cheron: I was listening to 3D printed vinyl before it was cool


While I like the warmth of the vinyl, the 3-D gives me a headache.
 
2013-01-14 12:20:10 PM  
If it didn't sound completely horrible, I'd actually be impressed.


/ok i'm still impressed.
 
2013-01-14 12:38:48 PM  
But can it print cadians yet?
 
2013-01-14 12:44:55 PM  
Its not new, its Fark. Where old news comes to die.
 
2013-01-14 12:51:59 PM  
Could 3D printed records lead to a new form piracy in the future? Ghassaei thinks not. She says, "It would be a huge amount of effort to go to. I can't imagine this is what the technology would be used for."

Note to self:

Find out how to invest in 3D printed record technology.
 
2013-01-14 01:48:24 PM  

Mugato: Wake me up when they create a  3D printed Cardassian data rod.


Yea, but it will be an obvious Faaaake.
 
2013-01-14 01:58:48 PM  
I would think that making Edison cylinders would be way easier with a 3d printer.
 
2013-01-14 02:00:34 PM  

Fizpez: I bet that would sound better with a $1500 pure copper braided cable with solid gold connections hooked to the authentic vaccuum tube speakers.


You have absolutely no idea how drastically you low-balled your speaker wire snark. $33,000.00/set
 
2013-01-14 04:27:51 PM  

theorellior: Then you lose the warm sound.


I've never gotten this.  I found that the classic "warm sound" was more of a product of vacuum tube amplification than it was from using records.  There are plenty of DIY kits and small shops that still make tube amps, so if you want the sound, you can still buy it.
 
2013-01-14 04:44:47 PM  

Dinjiin: theorellior: Then you lose the warm sound.

I've never gotten this.  I found that the classic "warm sound" was more of a product of vacuum tube amplification than it was from using records.  There are plenty of DIY kits and small shops that still make tube amps, so if you want the sound, you can still buy it.


Even more hilariously you can just master your digital recordings to emulate that sound.
 
2013-01-14 04:51:17 PM  

lewismarktwo: Even more hilariously you can just master your digital recordings to emulate that sound.


My Carver CD carousel from the late 90s had an EQ button that would supposedly emulate the sound profile of a record, so it's not a new fad.  To be honest, I couldn't tell much of a difference with it engaged, so I just left it off.
 
2013-01-14 05:59:54 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Wouldn't the point of this be to make the record out of something more durable than vinyl?


I dunno. If this stuff was recyclable (could be ground down to be re-used) I think it'd be pretty cool.
 
2013-01-14 06:06:02 PM  

Riche: Then I realized that records themselves are laughably impractical


I could play a record using a needle, a plastic cup, and a [very] steady hand (yes, this is an exaggeration). Point is, nothing but mechanical parts that I have on hand or can build (not an exaggeration).

Can't really say the same for CDs et al.
 
2013-01-14 06:14:35 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Riche: Then I realized that records themselves are laughably impractical

I could play a record using a needle, a plastic cup, and a [very] steady hand (yes, this is an exaggeration). Point is, nothing but mechanical parts that I have on hand or can build (not an exaggeration).

Can't really say the same for CDs et al.


And that is supposed to make a record practical?

Tell you what:  In the event of a massive EMP burst over the central United States, you are hereby welcome to find your way across the devastated, Zombie infested wastelands to my home in Norman, OK to tell me "I told you so."

I'll shake your hand, admit you were right, give you a beer (it will have to be a warm one)  and we can jam out to Hendrix through a needle and Dixie cup.
 
2013-01-14 06:39:08 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Can't really say the same for CDs et al.


I've heard the same argument about AM radio.  You can build a crystal AM detector with about six components that cost less than a buck.  First year electronics students are building them in the first quarter of their class. Meanwhile, modern digital radio uses OFDM to multiplex several QAM or PSK digital carriers, which in turn encode AAC or other proprietary codec transport streams.  Each step requires very complex circuitry that is both expensive and comes with a steep learning curve to utilize in DIY circuits.

I guess there are times where simple is good, but outside of educational or apocalyptic times, does it really matter?
 
2013-01-14 06:57:10 PM  
Its a digital record.......to my knowledge it would not be possible to print an analog recording.
 
2013-01-14 07:48:12 PM  

Holographic Shimmering Pork: Fizpez: I bet that would sound better with a $1500 pure copper braided cable with solid gold connections hooked to the authentic vaccuum tube speakers.

You have absolutely no idea how drastically you low-balled your speaker wire snark. $33,000.00/set


Those sound like very danceable cables.
 
2013-01-14 08:21:02 PM  

bbfreak: Its not new, its Fark. Where old news comes to die.


Fark just ensures it's death.
 
2013-01-14 08:26:14 PM  

Virtue: Its a digital record.......to my knowledge it would not be possible to print an analog recording.


We need a digital "plotter" for QA to rip on then.

Reminds me of solving for "area under the curve" in computer math classes.
 
2013-01-14 08:41:17 PM  

JohnnyC: Whoa... just looked and cubify's pricing on the ABS cartridge is $50 per cartridge (with lowered prices on bulk orders)... yeesh.


I'm not saying you're wrong but don't you find it odd that in the space of what? 4 years we've gone from "they're too expensive! Nobody would ever want one!" to biatching about how much their consumables cost?

Sure it sucks but isn't it kinda cool we're at this stage already?
 
2013-01-14 08:54:38 PM  

Vaneshi: JohnnyC: Whoa... just looked and cubify's pricing on the ABS cartridge is $50 per cartridge (with lowered prices on bulk orders)... yeesh.

I'm not saying you're wrong but don't you find it odd that in the space of what? 4 years we've gone from "they're too expensive! Nobody would ever want one!" to biatching about how much their consumables cost?

Sure it sucks but isn't it kinda cool we're at this stage already?


I'd rather sell the shovels and pickaxes.
 
2013-01-14 08:59:03 PM  
My God, this definitely means we'll colonize the Galaxy now!
/Why is it so difficult for you people to understand I'm mocking the delusional and delirious hype?
 
2013-01-14 10:02:29 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: /Why is it so difficult for you people to understand I'm mocking the delusional and delirious hype?


It's gone meta, dude. We're mocking you mocking the delusional and delirious hype.
 
2013-01-14 10:07:10 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: My God, this definitely means we'll colonize the Galaxy now!
/Why is it so difficult for you people to understand I'm mocking the delusional and delirious hype?


welcome to fark
 
2013-01-14 10:44:17 PM  

Vaneshi: JohnnyC: Whoa... just looked and cubify's pricing on the ABS cartridge is $50 per cartridge (with lowered prices on bulk orders)... yeesh.

I'm not saying you're wrong but don't you find it odd that in the space of what? 4 years we've gone from "they're too expensive! Nobody would ever want one!" to biatching about how much their consumables cost?

Sure it sucks but isn't it kinda cool we're at this stage already?


Yeah... I'm glad it is coming along in the market and becoming more commonplace. I guess it depends on how much you could print with a single cartridge (which I don't see or haven't found).
 
2013-01-15 09:28:47 AM  

Egoy3k: StoPPeRmobile: Egoy3k: So they used a digital printer to print the vinyl record. So essentially they have an easily damaged CD?

Have you ever checked out 10 year old CDs?

Yeah I have a bunch in my car I listen to them often. Why?


I have CDs I bought in high school 25 years ago that still play just fine. My wife has CDs less than a year old that are unplayable. It helps to not use them as coasters or floor mats in your car in between playings.
 
2013-01-16 01:59:37 PM  

Mr. Cat Poop: I have CDs I bought in high school 25 years ago that still play just fine. My wife has CDs less than a year old that are unplayable. It helps to not use them as coasters or floor mats in your car in between playings.


Same here.  All of my CDs that I bought in the late '80s still play fine.  Helps that I usually made a copy to cassette tape or CD-R so I didn't have to bring the original outside the house.
 
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