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(LA Times)   University of Arizona now offering a minor in hip hop music. Even philosophy majors are asking students what they are going to do with that when they graduate   (latimes.com) divider line 21
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2013-01-14 09:34:29 AM  
3 votes:
Modern society has seem to forgotten that anyone smarter than a monkey can be trained to do the majority of jobs despite what degree they have.
2013-01-14 09:12:27 AM  
3 votes:
Hip-Hop is a $20-billion a year industry, Philosophy, not so much.
2013-01-14 11:15:39 AM  
2 votes:

Ilmarinen: ajt167: Unless they're rich, most people go to college to eventually get a decent job. If I'm spending $60k or more for 4 years of job training, let me cut out the stuff I don't need and charge me less money.

"Once I had a conversation with Daniel Bell, a famous social scientist, and he said--we were talking about graduate students--and he said, "My colleagues are always talking about training graduate students." He said, "What an outrage. You educate students, you don't train them. You train a dog." (....) Education is the process in which we force you to think on your own."
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No argument there. In my head, at least, training is what you do to pass on existing learned practices. Educating is what you do to pass on the tools for creating new learned practices. Both training and education occur, in varying amounts, whenever you teach someone something.
2013-01-14 11:07:08 AM  
2 votes:
College is almost as big a f*cking scam as organized religion... and does about as much damage anymore.
2013-01-14 10:29:25 AM  
2 votes:
If I was vetting resumes for a job position (I've done it before) anyone with that on their resume would be round canned immediately.

Shows the person is not very smart. They wasted their time in college getting that when they could have been using the time to gain some useful knowledge.

Of course if you are rich and don't need to work go for it.
2013-01-14 10:03:30 AM  
2 votes:

Ilmarinen: hasty ambush: In fact they do not make you more well rounded

Most jobs don't require even superficial historical knowledge. Should therefore history not be taught anymore (except to the few who'll work in that field)?


It shouldn't be taught at all. That's how people figure out that those in power are lying to them. We can't have that.
2013-01-14 09:45:26 AM  
2 votes:

browntimmy: Modern society has seem to forgotten that anyone smarter than a monkey can be trained to do the majority of jobs despite what degree they have.



THIS x 1000!
Now if you are going to be a doctor, or lawyer, or nuclear physicist, by all means, please go to school. But for the other 'cubicle jobs', you can simply learn as you go or from your friend Google. Too bad companies don't spend money on training anymore and somehow believe that the degree=more 'educated'.
2013-01-14 09:20:25 AM  
2 votes:
If you aren't majoring in a science or math, it doesn't matter what you major in. College is about learning how to work and how to manage your time and building a network of future professionals. I always took 1 fluff class a semester just to learn some interesting things that I wouldn't normally be exposed to otherwise. So I don't have a problem with a hip-hop class that could be surprisingly relevant depending on the professor.
2013-01-14 09:11:56 AM  
2 votes:

Krieghund: It's a minor. You don't "do anything" with a minor.


Then why offer it? Exactly how much of your student loan debt is acquired because you take something you don't anything with?

Part of the uneeded expense off a higher education is all these courses you are made to take that have nothing to do with your major but are supposd to make you more "well rounded". In fact they do not make you more well rounded they increase your debt load and provide employment for people who were stupid enough to get majors in stupid areas to begin with. Exactly how many meaningful employment opportunities are there for people who major in gender studies for example? Outside of academia (and that can hardly be called meaningful) damn few.
2013-01-14 08:58:33 AM  
2 votes:
Other than the fact that subby doesn't know what a minor is, how is this any different from studying any other specific genre in the music department?
2013-01-14 08:53:59 AM  
2 votes:
www.mutantreviewers.com

That's the beauty of college these days, Tommy! You can major in Game Boy if you know how to bullshiat.
2013-01-14 12:09:34 PM  
1 votes:
Yes, because everything you learn in college must be directly related to increasing your income. In no way should college be about developing your character, pursuing your interests, or becoming a well-rounded and interesting person. Not in MY Americuh!
2013-01-14 11:49:57 AM  
1 votes:

Ilmarinen: ajt167: Unless they're rich, most people go to college to eventually get a decent job. If I'm spending $60k or more for 4 years of job training, let me cut out the stuff I don't need and charge me less money.

"Once I had a conversation with Daniel Bell, a famous social scientist, and he said--we were talking about graduate students--and he said, "My colleagues are always talking about training graduate students." He said, "What an outrage. You educate students, you don't train them. You train a dog." (....) Education is the process in which we force you to think on your own."
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I understand the argument, but training isn't necessarily a bad thing. If I could have gotten the same level of core courses and skipped the other stuff for a cheaper price, I would have. Don't get me wrong, the other classes were fun and interesting, but other than being able to best my wife in Jeopardy!, they serve no discernible long lasting and advantageous purpose. Another semester or two of engineering courses would have been much more useful to me.

That's my opinion and that of many people I talk to, but by no means all of them.
2013-01-14 10:28:55 AM  
1 votes:

StoPPeRmobile: Ilmarinen: hasty ambush: In fact they do not make you more well rounded

Most jobs don't require even superficial historical knowledge. Should therefore history not be taught anymore (except to the few who'll work in that field)?

It shouldn't be taught at all. That's how people figure out that those in power are lying to them. We can't have that.


Unless they're rich, most people go to college to eventually get a decent job. If I'm spending $60k or more for 4 years of job training, let me cut out the stuff I don't need and charge me less money. European history, jazz theory, yoga, creative writing, et al were useless to me and most other everything majors, but we sure paid a crap ton of money for them.
2013-01-14 09:34:30 AM  
1 votes:
katrinasifferd.files.wordpress.com
http://pleasandexcuses.com/2012/09/06/philosophy-major/
2013-01-14 09:33:59 AM  
1 votes:
I think very deeply.
2013-01-14 09:17:54 AM  
1 votes:
Do they have poor righteous teachers?
2013-01-14 09:15:58 AM  
1 votes:

hasty ambush: Krieghund: It's a minor. You don't "do anything" with a minor.

Then why offer it? Exactly how much of your student loan debt is acquired because you take something you don't anything with?

Part of the uneeded expense off a higher education is all these courses you are made to take that have nothing to do with your major but are supposd to make you more "well rounded". In fact they do not make you more well rounded they increase your debt load and provide employment for people who were stupid enough to get majors in stupid areas to begin with. Exactly how many meaningful employment opportunities are there for people who major in gender studies for example? Outside of academia (and that can hardly be called meaningful) damn few.


Yeah, you're obviously not concern trolling here at all. If you don't think non-major classes in college make your education broader and more well-rounded, you're either lying or a fool. Labeling gender studies as "stupid" and "meaningless" is a pretty big red flag, not to mention your dismissal of academia in general.

On the whole, 1/10.
2013-01-14 09:08:19 AM  
1 votes:
I went to college for a while. I don't recall anyone particularly concerned what they were going to do with their degree. When did this become so important?
2013-01-14 09:07:12 AM  
1 votes:

Krieghund: It's a minor. You don't "do anything" with a minor.


This. Who cares? That actually could be some interesting classes.
2013-01-14 08:51:14 AM  
1 votes:
It's a minor. You don't "do anything" with a minor.
 
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