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2013-01-14 08:36:32 AM
And they were being sent to reinforce the air base on planet claire.
 
2013-01-14 09:15:59 AM
The B-52 was pregnant?
 
2013-01-14 09:23:43 AM
SSSSUUUUURRRRRRPPRRRIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSEEE!
 
2013-01-14 09:25:29 AM
Everybody's movin' everybody's groovin' -The rust shack is a shaky old plane where, we can crash together -rust shack baby!
 
2013-01-14 09:43:09 AM
i got me an aircraft, it's as big as a WHALE!
 
2013-01-14 10:09:33 AM
The crew tried to radio a May-Day, but it was all static on Channel Z.
 
2013-01-14 10:10:19 AM
If this thing turns out to be half as important as I figure it just might be, I'd say that you're all in line for some important promotions and personal citations when this thing's over with. That goes for ever' last one of you regardless of your race, color or your creed. Now let's get this thing on the hump - we got some flyin' to do.
 
2013-01-14 10:22:33 AM
At least it wasn't Iraq.

/It was Iraq Lobster!
 
2013-01-14 10:23:33 AM
bang bang!

/on the door baby
 
2013-01-14 10:28:41 AM
Well, if you're going to crash, it is best to have matching towels.
 
2013-01-14 10:33:00 AM
I used to know how many steps is was wingtip to wingtip. Stood on a flightline guarding those birds for many more days than I care to count, regardless of how beautiful they are.

/former SP
 
2013-01-14 10:33:37 AM
Any Mile High Club "love shack" shennanigans??
 
2013-01-14 10:36:48 AM
+1 subs
 
2013-01-14 10:43:22 AM
So.... the whole article states several time about this "weakness" then we have to slog through a ton of details about the crew ejecting and such, and finally, buried deep down in the prose, we finally get to "the B-52 wasn't designed for treetop flying because it's vertical stabilizer snaps off"

Seriously?

No particular reason, apparently, the vertical stabilizer just doesn't care for flying at low levels and pops right off the aircraft.

No follow-up in the article about what steps were taken to mitigate the issue... did they no longer fly B-52s at treetop levels? Did they fix the structural issue on later production models? Were they able to retroactively fix whatever flaw it had?
 
2013-01-14 10:43:47 AM
The crew had a choice of two routes, one over Maine and the other over North Carolina.

So, even back then they were using Apple Maps.
 
2013-01-14 10:47:51 AM

LesserEvil: So.... the whole article states several time about this "weakness" then we have to slog through a ton of details about the crew ejecting and such, and finally, buried deep down in the prose, we finally get to "the B-52 wasn't designed for treetop flying because it's vertical stabilizer snaps off"

Seriously?

No particular reason, apparently, the vertical stabilizer just doesn't care for flying at low levels and pops right off the aircraft.

No follow-up in the article about what steps were taken to mitigate the issue... did they no longer fly B-52s at treetop levels? Did they fix the structural issue on later production models? Were they able to retroactively fix whatever flaw it had?


Agreed, weak article. Was also hoping it would go into the second crash that it mentioned at first, but never came back to.
 
2013-01-14 10:48:37 AM

LesserEvil: So.... the whole article states several time about this "weakness" then we have to slog through a ton of details about the crew ejecting and such, and finally, buried deep down in the prose, we finally get to "the B-52 wasn't designed for treetop flying because it's vertical stabilizer snaps off"

Seriously?

No particular reason, apparently, the vertical stabilizer just doesn't care for flying at low levels and pops right off the aircraft.

No follow-up in the article about what steps were taken to mitigate the issue... did they no longer fly B-52s at treetop levels? Did they fix the structural issue on later production models? Were they able to retroactively fix whatever flaw it had?


Canada had similar issues with the F-18s we bought. They were getting structural cracks on the rudders. The solution was to put small fans right in front to break up the air a bit.

CSB:
In the article one of the guys from a local Snowmobile club said he has been there and it is still an experience. I knew a guy who had been at alert and had taken pictures of the C-130 that had crashed and is still there. I got the same feelings just from the pictures I saw.
 
2013-01-14 10:52:28 AM
I wish we had the journalistic standards of 1963. That was a mess of useless detail and emotionalism, with no real discussion of what was remedied.

In short, "the front fell off".
 
2013-01-14 10:55:49 AM
What a B-52 with no vertical stabilizer looks like...

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-01-14 10:57:42 AM

rikkards: In the article one of the guys from a local Snowmobile club said he has been there and it is still an experience.


CSB

I grew up in the area and have been there, kind of a local legend, it is unreal, almost as equally unreal are the 2 stream locomotives rusting away in the woods in the same area.
 
2013-01-14 10:58:07 AM
CSB: Ms CJHardin and I got to hang out with the B52s on new years this year! Good times!

i11.photobucket.com

i11.photobucket.com

/CSB
 
2013-01-14 11:01:31 AM

SnarfVader: The crew tried to radio a May-Day, but it was all static on Channel Z.


The CRM-114 Discriminator wasn't set to OPE
 
2013-01-14 11:03:10 AM

Maud Dib: What a B-52 with no vertical stabilizer looks like...

[upload.wikimedia.org image 400x296]


If the vertical stabilizer wasn't so freaking huge, maybe it wouldn't fall off. I can't think of another another aircraft with such an oversized tail.
 
2013-01-14 11:03:53 AM

FlashHarry: i got me an aircraft, it's as big as a WHALE!


And it's about to hit Shale!
 
2013-01-14 11:05:54 AM
I bet it was all the cat piss.
 
2013-01-14 11:08:21 AM

Valiente: I wish we had the journalistic standards of 1963. That was a mess of useless detail and emotionalism, with no real discussion of what was remedied.

In short, "the front fell off".


Well, on top of not telling us how it was remedied, apparently it didn't do a very good job of telling us what broken, either.

They don't ever describe what the vertical stabilizer is, what it does, or even where it is. (It's the fin in the back that sticks out of the top. It keeps the plane pointing in one direction, instead of yawing around to the left and right. I have no idea what a B52 does when they fall off, but there's a chance that all the hydraulic fluid leaks out and the plane starts to fly sideways.)
 
2013-01-14 11:08:43 AM
Hot lava!
 
2013-01-14 11:10:44 AM
Was it headed to Mesopotamia?
 
2013-01-14 11:11:03 AM
Time to shamelessly plug my Twitter @ColdWarDeaths? I'll have to make sure I have this one logged. I probably do. Plane crashes are easy to find information on. I've just started going through Google's record of old newspapers, trying to find information on soldiers we lost, too.

There are more than a few sites with decaying aircraft wrecks.
 
2013-01-14 11:16:43 AM

FTDA: FlashHarry: i got me an aircraft, it's as big as a WHALE!

And it's about to hit Shale!


I got me a Boeing, it seats a half dozen
So come on, let's do some treetop buzzin'!
 
2013-01-14 11:20:52 AM

The Larch: Valiente: I wish we had the journalistic standards of 1963. That was a mess of useless detail and emotionalism, with no real discussion of what was remedied.

In short, "the front fell off".

Well, on top of not telling us how it was remedied, apparently it didn't do a very good job of telling us what broken, either.

They don't ever describe what the vertical stabilizer is, what it does, or even where it is. (It's the fin in the back that sticks out of the top. It keeps the plane pointing in one direction, instead of yawing around to the left and right. I have no idea what a B52 does when they fall off, but there's a chance that all the hydraulic fluid leaks out and the plane starts to fly sideways.)


The derp distracted me from the absence of a definition of the herp.
 
2013-01-14 11:21:52 AM
If I read that right, they were flying at tree top level in a training exercise to deliver a nuclear weapon.

That sounds completly idiotic to me. I kinda thought that those sorts of weapons detonate at a higher altitude than that. Sounds more like a suicide mission to me.
 
2013-01-14 11:22:47 AM
I heard it was flying over Private Idaho.
 
2013-01-14 11:24:15 AM
I got me a Boeing it holds about 265,000 lbs.
 
2013-01-14 11:26:06 AM

StingerJ: @ColdWarDeaths


Following you now, thanks. Reading about the H-Bomb accident over Spain and they think the rudder breaking off is what caused it. All this Cold War stuff just absolutely fascinates me.
 
2013-01-14 11:26:11 AM
Thank you for the B52 jokes. You all get a Funny. :)
 
2013-01-14 11:30:16 AM
Why the tail came off?
Bowing was short on Superglue that day.
 
2013-01-14 11:31:39 AM

trotsky: StingerJ: @ColdWarDeaths

Following you now, thanks. Reading about the H-Bomb accident over Spain and they think the rudder breaking off is what caused it. All this Cold War stuff just absolutely fascinates me.


One of the more fascinating ones was Bill Weaver's SR-71 flight. Google that one some time, when you're interested. I, too, am fascinated by all the Cold War stuff.
 
2013-01-14 11:33:44 AM
When it crashed into the mountain it hit a rock, rock lobster.
 
2013-01-14 11:34:19 AM
 
2013-01-14 11:38:44 AM

durbnpoisn: If I read that right, they were flying at tree top level in a training exercise to deliver a nuclear weapon.

That sounds completly idiotic to me. I kinda thought that those sorts of weapons detonate at a higher altitude than that. Sounds more like a suicide mission to me.


think fly low under the radar till you get close to where you are going, pull up, drop bomb which now has a ballistic trajectory (or launch early version of cruise missile which had limited range), turn around, fly low again and pray you make it out. aka pretty much a suicide mission but not as 100% as flying the bomb right to the target as you seem to be taking from the article.

/which sucked.
 
2013-01-14 11:40:52 AM
Was it crashing (into) parties down in Normaltown?
 
2013-01-14 11:47:21 AM

rikkards: LesserEvil: So.... the whole article states several time about this "weakness" then we have to slog through a ton of details about the crew ejecting and such, and finally, buried deep down in the prose, we finally get to "the B-52 wasn't designed for treetop flying because it's vertical stabilizer snaps off"

Seriously?

No particular reason, apparently, the vertical stabilizer just doesn't care for flying at low levels and pops right off the aircraft.

No follow-up in the article about what steps were taken to mitigate the issue... did they no longer fly B-52s at treetop levels? Did they fix the structural issue on later production models? Were they able to retroactively fix whatever flaw it had?

Canada had similar issues with the F-18s we bought. They were getting structural cracks on the rudders. The solution was to put small fans right in front to break up the air a bit.

CSB:
In the article one of the guys from a local Snowmobile club said he has been there and it is still an experience. I knew a guy who had been at alert and had taken pictures of the C-130 that had crashed and is still there. I got the same feelings just from the pictures I saw.


What C130?
 
2013-01-14 11:51:16 AM
Rescuers had to use helicopters, snowshoes and primitive snowmobiles to reach the wreckage

Shoot, a feller could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff.
 
2013-01-14 11:52:04 AM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-01-14 11:54:09 AM

Parthenogenetic: FTDA: FlashHarry: i got me an aircraft, it's as big as a WHALE!

And it's about to hit Shale!

I got me a Boeing, it seats a half dozen
So come on, let's do some treetop buzzin'!


Nice!
 
2013-01-14 11:54:29 AM
45 posters in and no one has mentioned this yet. "His survival kit was crushed so he could not get to his sleeping bag." and then later "He dug down into the snow and crawled into his sleeping bag"
 
2013-01-14 12:05:55 PM

telejester: rikkards: LesserEvil: So.... the whole article states several time about this "weakness" then we have to slog through a ton of details about the crew ejecting and such, and finally, buried deep down in the prose, we finally get to "the B-52 wasn't designed for treetop flying because it's vertical stabilizer snaps off"

Seriously?

No particular reason, apparently, the vertical stabilizer just doesn't care for flying at low levels and pops right off the aircraft.

No follow-up in the article about what steps were taken to mitigate the issue... did they no longer fly B-52s at treetop levels? Did they fix the structural issue on later production models? Were they able to retroactively fix whatever flaw it had?

Canada had similar issues with the F-18s we bought. They were getting structural cracks on the rudders. The solution was to put small fans right in front to break up the air a bit.

CSB:
In the article one of the guys from a local Snowmobile club said he has been there and it is still an experience. I knew a guy who had been at alert and had taken pictures of the C-130 that had crashed and is still there. I got the same feelings just from the pictures I saw.

What C130?


This one made famous by the made for tv movie Ordeal in the Arctic starring Richard Chamberlain. The book it was based on didn't paint the US SARtechs in a good picture.

(Not)CSB: I went to school with Capt Judy Trepanier's children (daughter was in several of my classes and her son was in my auto class) and my mom was friends with her through her church. Their family was devastated when it happened. I think their father died shortly before from cancer.
 
2013-01-14 12:07:28 PM

durbnpoisn: That sounds completly idiotic to me. I kinda thought that those sorts of weapons detonate at a higher altitude than that. Sounds more like a suicide mission to me.


Okay...
1. "Treetop" is relative. One of the unusual things about a B-52 is that many of it's ejection seats fire DOWN. Then again, going by the survivors - only those in upward firing seats survived.
2. Part of the 'firing' process has the plane pulling up just before 'dropping' the bomb.
3. Most nuclear devices are parachute retarded in order to give the plane time to leave, plus better control the altitude of detonation.
 
2013-01-14 12:08:56 PM
The wikipedia article gives a lot more details on this, including how Ernest Borgnine was the Soviet Spy killed by Donald Pleasance, the other Soviet Spy.

Link
 
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