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2013-01-14 08:27:25 AM  
BS
 
2013-01-14 08:28:04 AM  
Yes. I feel better getting some old lady's dead husband's single shot shot gun off the streets.
 
2013-01-14 08:30:30 AM  
$250 buys a much nicer, newer shotgun!
 
2013-01-14 08:33:18 AM  
...troll thread.
 
2013-01-14 08:35:28 AM  
It's particularly bad when the story doesn't even show any scary guns they bought back.
 
2013-01-14 08:36:00 AM  
I think it would have an effect on the suicide and accidental gun-shot rate, but a little less on the homicide rate.
Still, a good thing.
 
2013-01-14 08:37:08 AM  
Well it's good to get rid of old pistols and shiat sitting around.

That's what's usually used in crimes. That old pistol laying in grandma's attic that boy thug finds.
 
2013-01-14 08:37:23 AM  
Case of the Monday's, mods? Same news topic posted to the main page right in a row?
 
2013-01-14 08:37:37 AM  
Editorials... how do they work?
 
2013-01-14 08:40:34 AM  
So we have 1 opinion and 1 study, but both are listed, can you guess which is which?
 
2013-01-14 08:42:20 AM  
The only problem I have with gun buybacks is that they're usually some flat rate buyback. Some people bring in these very nice and/or historically relevant weapons that are sometimes worth several times what the buyback pays out or belong in a museum or something. Without knowledgeable people there who can help people make good decisions about what they want to do with their undesired firearms a lot of quality stuff goes in the furnace. And that makes me sad.

Otherwise, I have no problems whatsoever with the concept of a voluntary gun buyback.
 
2013-01-14 08:42:41 AM  
They should give those guns to good guys.
 
2013-01-14 08:44:24 AM  
I am outraged how dare
 
2013-01-14 08:44:42 AM  

fluffy2097: Well it's good to get rid of old pistols and shiat sitting around.

That's what's usually used in crimes. That old pistol laying in grandma's attic that boy thug finds.


Usually the ones that get turned in are even shiattier than what criminals use.
 
2013-01-14 08:48:35 AM  

the_geek: Otherwise, I have no problems whatsoever with the concept of a voluntary gun buyback.


So you won't have any problem with your city council contributing to the Human Fund for Stevarooni? It's money...for people! I'll have my representative out straight away, and the excess tax monies in your jurisdiction will be taken care of, forthwith. :D
 
2013-01-14 08:50:23 AM  
www.roborooter.com
That gun shoots straight, I wouldn't sell it if it didn't.
 
2013-01-14 08:50:40 AM  

stuhayes2010: Yes. I feel better getting some old lady's dead husband's single shot shot gun off the streets.


this.

feel good empty gesture only. the pics of these buy backs that i see, seems like the vast majority are hunting rifles (not used in crimes usually).

still, ykknow, whatever... if people want to give em up easily coz their spouse died or whatever and had a collection, well, fine. i could see my wife doing this with my stuff.

meaningful gun control at this point: good luck.
 
2013-01-14 08:51:09 AM  
Well, that was a well written and fact filled article... I'm convinced...
 
2013-01-14 08:52:05 AM  
Okay, which "hood" movie included the bit where the robber went from waving the piece in the store owners face to saying "Okay, then buy this from me" when the guy recognized him and threatened to tell his mother.

Buying up low-end guns is cost effective. If you spend $100k buying up handguns then you probably remove at least one or two from the future of handgun violence. This saves the state more than $100k in the cost difference of arresting and imprisoning the future criminals for strong arm robbery instead of murder.

It's also the logic of buying up all the cocaine and opium from the growers instead of waiting until it's on the streets. If it's their cash crop THEN PAY THEM TO SELL IT TO THE CONTROL AGENCIES. Dammit, it's like they don't really want to solve anything.
 
2013-01-14 08:53:44 AM  

the_geek: The only problem I have with gun buybacks is that they're usually some flat rate buyback. Some people bring in these very nice and/or historically relevant weapons that are sometimes worth several times what the buyback pays out or belong in a museum or something. Without knowledgeable people there who can help people make good decisions about what they want to do with their undesired firearms a lot of quality stuff goes in the furnace. And that makes me sad.

Otherwise, I have no problems whatsoever with the concept of a voluntary gun buyback.


i saw a news article on exactly this: some widow brought in a vet bring back all original absolutely cherry stgw44. the cops were actually cool enough to let her take it back and sell it. this was surprising to me, youd think theyd give her the giftcard and take the gun at sell it themlsves.
 
2013-01-14 08:57:46 AM  

Father_Jack: the_geek: The only problem I have with gun buybacks is that they're usually some flat rate buyback. Some people bring in these very nice and/or historically relevant weapons that are sometimes worth several times what the buyback pays out or belong in a museum or something. Without knowledgeable people there who can help people make good decisions about what they want to do with their undesired firearms a lot of quality stuff goes in the furnace. And that makes me sad.

Otherwise, I have no problems whatsoever with the concept of a voluntary gun buyback.

i saw a news article on exactly this: some widow brought in a vet bring back all original absolutely cherry stgw44. the cops were actually cool enough to let her take it back and sell it. this was surprising to me, youd think theyd give her the giftcard and take the gun at sell it themlsves.


legally they have to destroy anything turned in during these events.
 
2013-01-14 09:12:47 AM  
Waiting outside gun buyback and offering double the buyback money for selected models is highly profitable.
 
2013-01-14 09:20:01 AM  

KeelingLovesCornholes: Case of the Monday's, mods? Same news topic posted to the main page right in a row?


t1.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-14 09:20:58 AM  

Click Click D'oh: Well, that was a well written and fact filled article... I'm convinced...


Right?
 
2013-01-14 09:40:55 AM  
From the roughest streets of Trenton to the loftiest towers of academia to the power centers of Washington, D.C., there appear to be real and reasonable responses to the massacre of children by a madman able to access the machinery of death.

Hmmm.... I wonder which side of the gun control debate this unbiased concerned citizen is on?

Gun buybacks aren't "real and reasonable". They are feel-good empty gestures that have been proven time and again to be mostly or completely ineffective. But at least you're using taxpayer money to destroy a bunch of evil, menacing death machines that would never have been used in a crime. Sounds like a completely reasonable and rational "solution" that has nothing at all to do with hysteria or emotion.
 
2013-01-14 09:45:06 AM  
And in Washington, a bipartisan team assembled by Vice President Joe Biden has recommended reinstating the federal ban on the rapid-fire rifles that allowed the shooter to mow down 20 first-graders and six adults in minutes last month.

Biden also will propose universal background checks for gun buyers, as well as recommendations to address mental health care and violence on television and in movies and video games.


Ummm.....no.....no he hasn't. Biden's recommendations don't even come out until tomorrow. Last I heard they were still undecided about including the ban in the recommendations. I think it probably will be in his recommendations but holy hell that's sloppy reporting.
 
2013-01-14 09:51:30 AM  

wildcardjack: Okay, which "hood" movie included the bit where the robber went from waving the piece in the store owners face to saying "Okay, then buy this from me" when the guy recognized him and threatened to tell his mother.

Buying up low-end guns is cost effective. If you spend $100k buying up handguns then you probably remove at least one or two from the future of handgun violence. This saves the state more than $100k in the cost difference of arresting and imprisoning the future criminals for strong arm robbery instead of murder.

It's also the logic of buying up all the cocaine and opium from the growers instead of waiting until it's on the streets. If it's their cash crop THEN PAY THEM TO SELL IT TO THE CONTROL AGENCIES. Dammit, it's like they don't really want to solve anything.


White Men Can't Jump
 
2013-01-14 09:59:12 AM  
"My point isn't that we're going to get ... guns from gang members," counters Chiesa. "My point is that ... I know that I've taken firearms that would have been used otherwise for violence out of circulation."

What the...how...I don't even...
Now my brain hurts.

Comments section:
Although gun buyback programs may not decrease intended violent crime, it voluntarily decreases the presence of handguns lying around. Anything that helps reduce idle weapons in the vicinity might give you a better chance of surviving an assault or domestic violence incident. No gun..no gunshot wound.

Because idle weapons are the devils plaything apparently. And one would then to think that -more- guns laying around would give you a better chance to survive an assault...
 
2013-01-14 10:03:05 AM  
money well spent....on drugs.
 
2013-01-14 10:04:18 AM  

MythDragon: "My point isn't that we're going to get ... guns from gang members," counters Chiesa. "My point is that ... I know that I've taken firearms that would have been used otherwise for violence out of circulation."


i184.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-14 10:11:33 AM  
250 bucks? I could go buy a bunch of cheap guns, turn them in, and make a killing!
 
2013-01-14 10:13:42 AM  
"My point isn't that we're going to get ... guns from gang members," counters Chiesa. "My point is that ... I know that I've taken firearms that would have been used otherwise for violence out of circulation."

Maybe she should stop selling her guns to criminals then.
 
2013-01-14 10:15:34 AM  
Obama should do it nationwide for his next stimulus. Print off 100B dollarbucks and buy guns back at 250/each, you'll get mostly shiatty little guns that do most of the day-to-day killing. The people most likely to be turning in those guns will be poor enough that they'll immediately spend the money, thus stimulating the economy...
 
2013-01-14 10:16:55 AM  

Molavian: i184.photobucket.com


2/3 of all murders in the U.S. are committed with a firearm leaving 1/3 to be committed by all other methods combined.

But we can pretend your silly little comic strip means anything other than that you have terribly weak reasoning skills if it would make you feel better.

/ I'll bet most of other 1/3 is defenestration, right Archie?
 
2013-01-14 10:21:23 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Molavian: i184.photobucket.com

2/3 of all murders in the U.S. are committed with a firearm leaving 1/3 to be committed by all other methods combined.

But we can pretend your silly little comic strip means anything other than that you have terribly weak reasoning skills if it would make you feel better.

/ I'll bet most of other 1/3 is defenestration, right Archie?


So when guns are gone and another weapon of choice takes the 2/3 slot are you going to try and ban it as well?
 
2013-01-14 10:22:19 AM  
Here in Utah they had a buyback recently and another group setup a stand right next to them and offered the people more that the 100$ gift card the buyback was offering.

The guys bought about a dozen or so very nice guns for about $150 each.

The story made my day....
 
2013-01-14 10:24:52 AM  

thaylin: So when guns are gone and another weapon of choice takes the 2/3 slot are you going to try and ban it as well?


The typically solid reasoning skills I'd expect of a gun nut.
 
2013-01-14 10:24:57 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Molavian: i184.photobucket.com

2/3 of all murders in the U.S. are committed with a firearm leaving 1/3 to be committed by all other methods combined.

But we can pretend your silly little comic strip means anything other than that you have terribly weak reasoning skills if it would make you feel better.

/ I'll bet most of other 1/3 is defenestration, right Archie?


So do away with guns and people stop murdering?
That's an extremely weak argument in itself.

/That comic wasn't about statistics, it was about this strange idea that doing bad things with guns is "more wrong" than doing bad things by other methods.
/I dunno about you but I'm more concerned about the people who do bad things, not what method they choose or how successful they happen to be.
 
2013-01-14 10:29:56 AM  

way south: So do away with guns and people stop murdering?


Who said that?

You have an argument to make or are you just planning a bonfire with all that straw?
 
2013-01-14 10:32:34 AM  
Most of the guns Ive seen on the news from buybacks I wouldnt use to throw at anyone. They look like rusted out pieces of crap that would do more damage to the person firing it.
 
2013-01-14 10:32:44 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: oning skills I'd expect of a gun nut.


First, I dont own a gun, but keep believing what you want.

Second, it is based on the same reasoning you used, so what does that say about you?
 
2013-01-14 10:33:02 AM  

BGates: 250 bucks? I could go buy a bunch of cheap guns, turn them in, and make a killing!


Exactly. These types of gun buy backs get the rare little old lady with an expensive gun, but for the most part, what's turned in is junk that is worth far less than what is being paid. That old Sears single shot 12 gauge is worth 50 dollars if you take it to a gun store, but they'll give you $250 at a gun buy back. Gee, where do you think someone's going to get rid of that gun?

I don't care what side of the gun control debate your on. Gun buy backs are ineffective window dressing that people game for profit.
 
2013-01-14 10:33:40 AM  
Vegan Meat Popsicle:

2/3 of all murders in the U.S. are committed with a firearm leaving 1/3 to be committed by all other methods combined.



Of course they are!

It's much faster to kill someone using only one method.
 
2013-01-14 10:41:09 AM  

thaylin: First, I dont own a gun, but keep believing what you want.


So you're just a regular run-of-the-mill fool, then? Because you'd have to be either a liar or a fool to believe that if everybody had cudgels and bits of rope the murder rate would remain as high.

Out of curiosity, are you arguing that it's just as easy to stab or strangle someone to death at close range as it is to shoot them from thirty feet away or do you think a bunch of extra murderers will step up to help keep the average up when it becomes harder for individual person to record a kill?

/ but you could always point to Britain where the homicide rate remained steady after they enacted a nearly universal ban on firearms
// or you could acknowledge reality and point out that what actually has happened is that they are now at a 30 year low in homicides...
/// but somehow I don't think data and facts are something you care much about
//// that being the case I suggest you move the goalpost by bringing up their burglary rate

AccuJack: It's much faster to kill someone using only one method.


Some people just don't appreciate a challenge.
 
2013-01-14 10:42:51 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Molavian: i184.photobucket.com

2/3 of all murders in the U.S. are committed with a firearm leaving 1/3 to be committed by all other methods combined.

But we can pretend your silly little comic strip means anything other than that you have terribly weak reasoning skills if it would make you feel better.

/ I'll bet most of other 1/3 is defenestration, right Archie?


Except that the firearms that everybody wants to ban (i.e. a new AWB) account for a very small number of those murders. Beating, stabbings, and stranglings account for a much higher quantity of murders than scary rifles do.
 
2013-01-14 10:46:11 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: thaylin: First, I dont own a gun, but keep believing what you want.

So you're just a regular run-of-the-mill fool, then? Because you'd have to be either a liar or a fool to believe that if everybody had cudgels and bits of rope the murder rate would remain as high.

Out of curiosity, are you arguing that it's just as easy to stab or strangle someone to death at close range as it is to shoot them from thirty feet away or do you think a bunch of extra murderers will step up to help keep the average up when it becomes harder for individual person to record a kill?

/ but you could always point to Britain where the homicide rate remained steady after they enacted a nearly universal ban on firearms
// or you could acknowledge reality and point out that what actually has happened is that they are now at a 30 year low in homicides...
/// but somehow I don't think data and facts are something you care much about
//// that being the case I suggest you move the goalpost by bringing up their burglary rate

AccuJack: It's much faster to kill someone using only one method.

Some people just don't appreciate a challenge.


So I am the fool, yet you incapable of reading comprehension. Where did I say, anywhere, that the murder rate would stay high? Nor am I arguing that it is just as easy to stab, straggle or anything other than possibly bomb a school and it be easier or more efficient.

But logic hold that if you remove all the gun deaths from the homicide list you will still be left with 100% of the new resulting statistics, which can be seen mathmatically as 3/3. Now using your logic that since 2/3 of all homicides are done with guns now and that is the basis for you wanting them removed, the same logic could be used to say that if 2/3 of the new rate was done with knife that they should be removed as well.

If reasoning is not your strong point I will understand if you struggle with this concept.

then again, maybe you should just frame your arguments better.
 
2013-01-14 10:54:13 AM  

thaylin: Where did I say, anywhere, that the murder rate would stay high?


Oh, I get it. This is a "there's always going to be a bottom 10%" sort of thing.

I guess I should apologize. I mocked you for entirely the wrong sort of nonsense.

You can blather on about this all you like. Guns are far more dangerous than any other type of small, personal weapons and if people can't get hold of them they can't kill as effectively. If that weren't true we'd all still be running around hitting each other with swords and flails.

And, incidentally, I will continue to flippantly mock people like you who refuse to acknowledge that fact as part of your inane arguments because there's no reason to treat an opinion like yours with any respect. Guns kill better than knives and nooses. End of story.
 
2013-01-14 10:54:35 AM  

thaylin: But logic hold that if you remove all the gun deaths from the homicide list you will still be left with 100% of the new resulting statistics, which can be seen mathmatically as 3/3. Now using your logic that since 2/3 of all homicides are done with guns now and that is the basis for you wanting them removed, the same logic could be used to say that if 2/3 of the new rate was done with knife that they should be removed as well.


It's being proposed in the UK right now to ban large knives because of all the knife crimes.
 
2013-01-14 10:55:14 AM  
So called "assault weapons" are responsible for 0.6% of murders in the United States.
 
2013-01-14 11:01:12 AM  

BGates: It's being proposed in the UK right now to ban large knives because of all the knife crimes.


Who, exactly, ever said that if guns are banned criminals will stop being criminals? I mean I'm sure the lazier ones will quit, but nobody puts forward that argument. Because it's farking stupid.

It's about reducing the capacity for inflicting harm. If I turn a corner and there's some guy waiting to kill me I'd sure as fark rather he's pointing a kitchen knife at me as a freakin' .44.

But, no, you keep pretending you have a point or that your comments are remotely intelligent or honest.

/ I imagine people like you foresee a world where gangbangers will start doing drive-bys with ninja stars if they can't get hold of any guns
 
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