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(Washington Times)   The Pentagon now has regularly scheduled airstrikes arranged on the Politics tab   (washingtontimes.com) divider line 77
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2013-01-14 10:27:10 AM
Good.

/DRTFA
 
2013-01-14 10:32:20 AM
That thought that the Pentagon is actively engaged in a PR campaign to hire a Director who will cut their budget is hilarious.
 
2013-01-14 10:33:46 AM
WHAT BIRF CERTIFCATE, WHAR?!?!?
 
2013-01-14 10:34:09 AM
To be fair, when your only opposition to your nomination is from East-Coast neo-cons, it's easy to pick a side.
 
2013-01-14 10:34:26 AM
Well thank goodness, we couldn't possibly have anyone in office that didn't like to swallow Isreals cock and fondle the balls while letting them steal our state secrets and giving them ridiculous amounts of American Taxpayer money.
 
2013-01-14 10:34:44 AM

MindStalker: That thought that the Pentagon is actively engaged in a PR campaign to hire a Director who will cut their budget is hilarious.


Even the Pentagon agrees that they do not need the level of funding that most Republicans would like them to have.
 
2013-01-14 10:41:14 AM
I love the smell of derp in the morning.
 
2013-01-14 10:42:26 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: MindStalker: That thought that the Pentagon is actively engaged in a PR campaign to hire a Director who will cut their budget is hilarious.

Even the Pentagon agrees that they do not need the level of funding that most Republicans would like them to have.


Everyone talks about the Military-Industrial Complex, but it is mostly driven not by the military but politicians indulging in weaponised Keynesian economics for their own states. All those Abrams tanks sitting around with no one to use them, a minor version of China's ghost cities.
 
2013-01-14 10:46:35 AM

Thats No Moose: Everyone talks about the Military-Industrial Complex, but it is mostly driven not by the military but politicians indulging in weaponised Keynesian economics for their own states. All those Abrams tanks sitting around with no one to use them, a minor version of China's ghost cities.


But, ya know, government spending NEVER creates jobs.
 
2013-01-14 10:46:49 AM

Thats No Moose: Philip Francis Queeg: MindStalker: That thought that the Pentagon is actively engaged in a PR campaign to hire a Director who will cut their budget is hilarious.

Even the Pentagon agrees that they do not need the level of funding that most Republicans would like them to have.

Everyone talks about the Military-Industrial Complex, but it is mostly driven not by the military but politicians indulging in weaponised Keynesian economics for their own states. All those Abrams tanks sitting around with no one to use them, a minor version of China's ghost cities.


If only we could shift away from a military-industrial complex to a space-industrial complex...

/science and exploration, not bombs
 
2013-01-14 10:47:56 AM

Zeno-25: If only we could shift away from a military-industrial complex to a space-industrial complex...

/science and exploration, not bombs


+1
 
2013-01-14 10:49:20 AM

MindStalker: That thought that the Pentagon is actively engaged in a PR campaign to hire a Director who will cut their budget is hilarious.


Panetta has been advocating a cut to the budget. Most people in the military know we spend too much and we suffer from Congress making them keep shiat they don't want.
 
2013-01-14 10:49:21 AM
We could really use a SecDef who knows the difference between "the Israel lobby" and "the Jewish lobby", what those terms actually define, and why usage of the one as he did is more than slightly offensive.

// 1996 Hagel is not 2013 Hagel, though
// for the same reason 1996 Boehner is not 2013 Boehner
// shocking, I know
 
2013-01-14 10:51:20 AM

heypete: Zeno-25: If only we could shift away from a military-industrial complex to a space-industrial complex...

/science and exploration, not bombs

+1


+2
 
2013-01-14 10:59:14 AM
FTFA "On Israel, the Pentagon papers quote Danny Ayalon, the Israeli deputy foreign minister, as saying: 'I cannot say that we agreed on everything, but he was a decent and fair interlocutor and you can reason with him.'"

Well that right there takes him out of consideration by Tea Party standards.
 
2013-01-14 11:01:11 AM
Chicken shiat is great fertilizer, too. But I don't want it in my yard.
 
2013-01-14 11:03:46 AM
Two large Wash D.C. lobbying firms working on behalf of Hagel's confirmation.

Yep, he must be perfect for the job.

/lobbyists
//lobbyists
 
2013-01-14 11:07:36 AM

Zeno-25: Thats No Moose: Philip Francis Queeg: MindStalker: That thought that the Pentagon is actively engaged in a PR campaign to hire a Director who will cut their budget is hilarious.

Even the Pentagon agrees that they do not need the level of funding that most Republicans would like them to have.

Everyone talks about the Military-Industrial Complex, but it is mostly driven not by the military but politicians indulging in weaponised Keynesian economics for their own states. All those Abrams tanks sitting around with no one to use them, a minor version of China's ghost cities.

If only we could shift away from a military-industrial complex to a space-industrial complex...

/science and exploration, not bombs


IIRC, either the Navy or Air Force launches more space loads than the rest of the worlds space programs combined. So part of the MIC is an SIC.

Part of that Keynsian thing is consuming without causing inflation by consuming in a form that doesn't appeal to the public. The military is an ideal candidate because the incremental commodity cost caused by building steel tanks and aluminum fighters is nil. But if you dumped that sort of money into the sciences where would the money go? There aren't millions of sciency things that could be done as with a high school or associates diploma. And if you vow to make that spending on healthcare you just get more expensive healthcare, not healthier people.

The argument to stop that consumption and turn the money back to the tax payers so they can consume doesn't shake out in the current environment where everything is made in Chinese factories. But if we were to subsidize American factories we'd be in trouble with the WTO, despite the rest of the world pretty much doing that.

And nothing is as funny as what they tried in East Germany, when the secret police just kept expanding it became a clear Keynsian move. Oh wait, I think they're doing that here, aren't they?
 
2013-01-14 11:08:33 AM

meat0918: FTFA "On Israel, the Pentagon papers quote Danny Ayalon, the Israeli deputy foreign minister, as saying: 'I cannot say that we agreed on everything, but he was a decent and fair interlocutor and you can reason with him.'"

Well that right there takes him out of consideration by Tea Party standards.


Yeah, but this is an Israeli saying it, so it's not like he's a Muslim or Democrat or anything.
 
2013-01-14 11:09:37 AM

incendi: heypete: Zeno-25: If only we could shift away from a military-industrial complex to a space-industrial complex...

/science and exploration, not bombs

+1

+2


That's what I don't get. The same companies that make the pork projects now could be used to make other types of projects, so they wouldn't be losing money, we wouldn't be reducing the essentially make-works stimulus spending, and we'd move that productivity into more useful projects. It seems like a win-win to me. But I guess I underestimate how much these representatives want to bomb brown people.
 
2013-01-14 11:15:01 AM
I hear that his true loyalties lie with the alien space moose that were behind the 9/11 attack.
 
2013-01-14 11:15:09 AM
I though the TEA party was only about taxes. I am shocked to discover that they have another agenda. Next you'll tell me that "taxed enough already" is a redneck codeword for god, guns, gays, and 'gina.
 
2013-01-14 11:17:26 AM

Zeno-25: Thats No Moose: Philip Francis Queeg: MindStalker: That thought that the Pentagon is actively engaged in a PR campaign to hire a Director who will cut their budget is hilarious.

Even the Pentagon agrees that they do not need the level of funding that most Republicans would like them to have.

Everyone talks about the Military-Industrial Complex, but it is mostly driven not by the military but politicians indulging in weaponised Keynesian economics for their own states. All those Abrams tanks sitting around with no one to use them, a minor version of China's ghost cities.

If only we could shift away from a military-industrial complex to a space-industrial complex...

/science and exploration, not bombs


i1.cpcache.com
 
2013-01-14 11:17:48 AM

wildcardjack: There aren't millions of sciency things that could be done as with a high school or associates diploma.


There are millions of "sciency things" that can be done by the 20000 Ph.D.s the US produces per year. The number one reason we ditch lab work is that it has become nearly impossible to get funded because tax cut mania and myopia have left basic research impoverished.
 
2013-01-14 11:17:53 AM
Moonies. They're wacky.
 
2013-01-14 11:22:57 AM
Not supportive of Israel? Well it's a good thing he's not getting nominated for a position over there.
 
2013-01-14 11:23:17 AM

wildcardjack: Zeno-25: Thats No Moose: Philip Francis Queeg: MindStalker: That thought that the Pentagon is actively engaged in a PR campaign to hire a Director who will cut their budget is hilarious.

Even the Pentagon agrees that they do not need the level of funding that most Republicans would like them to have.

Everyone talks about the Military-Industrial Complex, but it is mostly driven not by the military but politicians indulging in weaponised Keynesian economics for their own states. All those Abrams tanks sitting around with no one to use them, a minor version of China's ghost cities.

If only we could shift away from a military-industrial complex to a space-industrial complex...

/science and exploration, not bombs

IIRC, either the Navy or Air Force launches more space loads than the rest of the worlds space programs combined. So part of the MIC is an SIC.

Part of that Keynsian thing is consuming without causing inflation by consuming in a form that doesn't appeal to the public. The military is an ideal candidate because the incremental commodity cost caused by building steel tanks and aluminum fighters is nil. But if you dumped that sort of money into the sciences where would the money go? There aren't millions of sciency things that could be done as with a high school or associates diploma. And if you vow to make that spending on healthcare you just get more expensive healthcare, not healthier people.

The argument to stop that consumption and turn the money back to the tax payers so they can consume doesn't shake out in the current environment where everything is made in Chinese factories. But if we were to subsidize American factories we'd be in trouble with the WTO, despite the rest of the world pretty much doing that.

And nothing is as funny as what they tried in East Germany, when the secret police just kept expanding it became a clear Keynsian move. Oh wait, I think they're doing that here, aren't they?


So why not infrastructure? It benefits all and any inflation would be spread out evenly.
 
2013-01-14 11:29:04 AM

MindStalker: That thought that the Pentagon is actively engaged in a PR campaign to hire a Director who will cut their budget is hilarious.


Why? The Pentagon has been asking/begging congress for a while now to cut their budget, or at the very least stop buying weapons the Pentagon doesn't want or need.
 
2013-01-14 11:48:38 AM
How has this not been captioned yet?
 
2013-01-14 11:58:21 AM
i.imgur.com

Has arch-neoconservative Bill Krystol EVER been right about ANYTHING?
 
2013-01-14 12:01:29 PM

MindStalker:
Whole bunch of repeated Keynsian mumbo jumbo.

So why not infrastructure? It benefits all and any inflation would be spread out evenly.


It's been part of the bailout, and is a valid part of the Keynsian consumption thingy. One of the pains of infrastructure is that it's never redundant to the extent you can work on it easily or even access it. But in good times government spending on infrastructure competes with private sector spending.

And imagine the havoc caused when you have to outright replace a bridge. Ughh, and I can see that coming up in the next few years right near me. I'm sick and tired of all these road projects.

TofuTheAlmighty: wildcardjack: There aren't millions of sciency things that could be done as with a high school or associates diploma.

There are millions of "sciency things" that can be done by the 20000 Ph.D.s the US produces per year. The number one reason we ditch lab work is that it has become nearly impossible to get funded because tax cut mania and myopia have left basic research impoverished.


That might actually be a pretty cheap place to sink funds. You could give each and every one of those newly minted PhD.s 's a million dollar lab budget and still spend less than the military spends on office supplies.

Remember, at this point we need a Keynsian sink that can suck up MILLIONS OF BLUE COLLAR JOBS to offset what business practices have done. It's not just that the world needs ditch diggers, too, but that ditch diggers need jobs. Jobs that they can't get because at some point it just became more profitable to import.

/IMHO import tariffs should be tweaked to represent the amount of personal income taxes that would have been generated had manufacturing not been sent to china.
 
2013-01-14 12:01:51 PM

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 481x100]

Has arch-neoconservative Bill Krystol EVER been right about ANYTHING?


"I admit it: the liberal media were never that powerful, and the whole thing was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures." Link
 
2013-01-14 12:05:03 PM

incendi: Thats No Moose: Everyone talks about the Military-Industrial Complex, but it is mostly driven not by the military but politicians indulging in weaponised Keynesian economics for their own states. All those Abrams tanks sitting around with no one to use them, a minor version of China's ghost cities.

But, ya know, government spending NEVER creates jobs.


Better to create jobs that produce things that make life better in general and not just charity/welfare work.
 
2013-01-14 12:05:45 PM

enry: meat0918: FTFA "On Israel, the Pentagon papers quote Danny Ayalon, the Israeli deputy foreign minister, as saying: 'I cannot say that we agreed on everything, but he was a decent and fair interlocutor and you can reason with him.'"

Well that right there takes him out of consideration by Tea Party standards.

Yeah, but this is an Israeli saying it, so it's not like he's a Muslim or Democrat or anything.


i.imgur.com

It might mitigate Netanyahu's threatened veto.

/Best part, JTA even blogged it.
 
2013-01-14 12:08:34 PM

meat0918: "I admit it: the liberal media were never that powerful, and the whole thing was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures." Link


i.imgur.com

Well, I can't argue with that. Well done indeed. Stopped clock and all that.
 
2013-01-14 12:11:55 PM

Rich Cream: incendi: Thats No Moose: Everyone talks about the Military-Industrial Complex, but it is mostly driven not by the military but politicians indulging in weaponised Keynesian economics for their own states. All those Abrams tanks sitting around with no one to use them, a minor version of China's ghost cities.

But, ya know, government spending NEVER creates jobs.

Better to create jobs that produce things that make life better in general and not just charity/welfare work.


What making life better might look like...
teachdylan.files.wordpress.comtamilnation.co
 
2013-01-14 12:12:04 PM

Target Builder: The Pentagon has been asking/begging congress for a while now to cut their budget, or at the very least stop buying weapons the Pentagon doesn't want or need.


This is what really bothers me. By forcing the Pentagon to buy and manage weapons they don't want, it interferes and detracts from their efforts to focus and manage their resources in the ways they believe are in the country's best military interest. It handicaps legitimate interests.
 
2013-01-14 12:16:01 PM
FFS, Hagel is a Republican!

And the only reason the Tea Party doesnt want him in is the fact that it will look like President Obama accomplished something on their watch!

Getting really tired of the bi-partisan BS.
 
2013-01-14 12:19:14 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Rich Cream: incendi: Thats No Moose: Everyone talks about the Military-Industrial Complex, but it is mostly driven not by the military but politicians indulging in weaponised Keynesian economics for their own states. All those Abrams tanks sitting around with no one to use them, a minor version of China's ghost cities.

But, ya know, government spending NEVER creates jobs.

Better to create jobs that produce things that make life better in general and not just charity/welfare work.

What making life better might look like...
[teachdylan.files.wordpress.com image 400x280][tamilnation.co image 279x453]



I'm not sure any of us know what the other is talking about. lol
 
2013-01-14 12:27:21 PM

Heraclitus: FFS, Hagel is a Republican!

And the only reason the Tea Party doesnt want him in is the fact that it will look like President Obama accomplished something on their watch!

Getting really tired of the bi-partisan BS.


Hagel is a RINO. Just ask any Republicans and they will tell you that, so the whole line of reasoning falls flat as far as these people are concerned.

You are correct about the second point, but you might as well be talking about the entire GOP. They have a desire at this point to deny the President ANY accomplishment.
 
2013-01-14 12:28:50 PM

Mr. Eugenides: I hear that his true loyalties lie with the alien space moosemooslim that were behind the 9/11 attack.


Oh so close...
 
2013-01-14 12:34:43 PM

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 481x100]

Has arch-neoconservative Bill Krystol EVER been right about ANYTHING?


No. The guy even poops in the bidet.
 
2013-01-14 12:34:54 PM

MindStalker: Mr. Eugenides: I hear that his true loyalties lie with the alien space moosemooslim that were behind the 9/11 attack.

Oh so close...


Little do you know!
 
2013-01-14 12:40:50 PM

wildcardjack: But in good times government spending on infrastructure competes with private sector spending.


This sentence is dildos. Except in the rare instance when the government and private sector are both trying to buy something in short supply at the moment, like enterprise-level servers or telecom equipment, this does not happen, mainly because there's very little overlap between government-run infrastructure and private sector infrastructure.

The greatest overlap, AFAIK, would be in competition for labor, and since it's currently projected that it will take 8-10 years to go from 8% unemployment to 6%, I'd say, bring on the competition - it'll only cause inflation in wages, which in turn will enhance consumer ability to improve the overall economy.
 
2013-01-14 12:47:11 PM

wildcardjack: MindStalker:
Whole bunch of repeated Keynsian mumbo jumbo.

So why not infrastructure? It benefits all and any inflation would be spread out evenly.

It's been part of the bailout, and is a valid part of the Keynsian consumption thingy. One of the pains of infrastructure is that it's never redundant to the extent you can work on it easily or even access it. But in good times government spending on infrastructure competes with private sector spending.

And imagine the havoc caused when you have to outright replace a bridge. Ughh, and I can see that coming up in the next few years right near me. I'm sick and tired of all these road projects.

TofuTheAlmighty: wildcardjack: There aren't millions of sciency things that could be done as with a high school or associates diploma.

There are millions of "sciency things" that can be done by the 20000 Ph.D.s the US produces per year. The number one reason we ditch lab work is that it has become nearly impossible to get funded because tax cut mania and myopia have left basic research impoverished.

That might actually be a pretty cheap place to sink funds. You could give each and every one of those newly minted PhD.s 's a million dollar lab budget and still spend less than the military spends on office supplies.

Remember, at this point we need a Keynsian sink that can suck up MILLIONS OF BLUE COLLAR JOBS to offset what business practices have done. It's not just that the world needs ditch diggers, too, but that ditch diggers need jobs. Jobs that they can't get because at some point it just became more profitable to import.

/IMHO import tariffs should be tweaked to represent the amount of personal income taxes that would have been generated had manufacturing not been sent to china.


The answer, obviously, is to export workers and import our ditches from China.
 
2013-01-14 12:50:30 PM

Zeno-25: If only we could shift away from a military-industrial complex to a space-industrial complex...

/science and exploration, not bombs



We'd have a colony on Mars by now.
 
2013-01-14 12:59:50 PM
I can only assume there wouldn't be this much outrage if Oblahma nominated a democrat.
 
2013-01-14 01:06:55 PM

Lord_Baull: I can only assume there wouldn't be this much outrage if Oblahma nominated a democrat.


If he'd nominated a Democratic Senator, the GOP would give some resistance, but see it as an opportunity to pick up a Senate seat (see John Kerry's nomination, as unlikely a chance to pick up a GOP senate seat though, they're going to try).

The dude is from one of the reddest states in the country. I cannot imagine them actually electing a Democratic Senator, unless the Republican candidate pulls an Akin.
 
2013-01-14 01:13:07 PM

theknuckler_33: WHAT BIRF CERTIFCATE, WHAR?!?!?


No no, Hagel is white, so he's a Real American.
 
2013-01-14 01:14:28 PM

wildcardjack: And imagine the havoc caused when you have to outright replace a bridge. Ughh, and I can see that coming up in the next few years right near me. I'm sick and tired of all these road projects.


stupid government replacing bridges.... oh, wait

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
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