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(Daily Mail)   So, what we're gonna do is, give the dead pedophile a knighthood, then take it off him. Yeah, that'll show him   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 17
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2013-01-14 02:16:22 AM  
6 votes:
How about since this guy is dead and nothing we can do will in any way impact him we find out how exactly over 50 years of sexual abuse was covered up? Then once we find out exactly who was helping him cover this all up we can start persecuting some living people.
2013-01-14 01:44:00 AM  
3 votes:
2013-01-14 04:50:19 AM  
2 votes:

bixpchiphead: Savile had enablers/"friends" in high places like then PM Maggie Thatcher and to a lesser degree members of the royal family


That's just the kind of big juicy, uncited, allegation I like to see with my morning tea. Can I read more about it?

Apos: Dead pedophile with existing knighthood is subsequently awarded a second one, which is then immediately revoked, so he'll be left with....his first knighthood? What does that accomplish?


This makes absolutely no sense.


That's whats wrong with the world. Everyone is so outraged they have to show their outrage otherwise people might not think they're outraged enough which would outrage other people.

Jimmy was a paedophile, an ephebophile, a rapist and a pervert. We should dig him up and set his corpse on fire and see if anyone will piss on it, putting an oft used adage to the test.

The One True TheDavid: AHEM. A pedophile is someone who is preferentially or exclusively erotically fixated on pre-pubescent children. This creep was an all around pervert who'd prey on damn near anything. (Is that better or worse than a pedophile who only looks at pictures?)


If that's it, Jimmy vs a paedophile who only looks at pictures then obviously Jimmy is worse. The reactions you got to asking that simple and benign question in this thread highlights why we'll never deal with paedophilia properly, because people see it as something you have to show outrage at, otherwise you're a paedophile yourself. If you dare try and understand the causes, and deal with it you might as well be rogering a child in front of these people. Anything other than "lock 'em up and throw away the key", is political and cultural suicide in our lands.

I don't see the problem, it's either a mental condition or a sexual preference, so treat it as one, study it, find out causes and find out ways to mitigate it. If we have a world where paedophiles can get treatment without getting arrested (assuming they come in before committing any crimes) then we'll have fewer paedophiles taking out their urges on children because they'll be getting the help they need. By refusing to make any effort to understand paedophilia we're fighting it with one hand tied behind our backs and a blindfold on. Know your enemy.

None of this applies to people like Jimmy Savile though, because there will always be sick twisted perverts out there who will fark anything with a pulse, and in Jimmy's case, anything without a pulse as well. If the rumours I choose to believe are accurate.
2013-01-14 03:37:49 AM  
2 votes:
I recall reading about this same issue - knighthoods being called into question after death, after prosecution, and so on. I completely agree that if someone deserves the honor (or "honour") and then screws up, that does no invalidate their earlier contributions.

HOWEVER, Saville's charitable work was his crime. He got a knighthood, in essence, for diddling kids. That's different from being caught after retirement, or found to have been diddling kids that had nothing to do with his hospital charities. That's the part that irritates.
2013-01-14 12:46:00 AM  
2 votes:

Apos: Dead pedophile with existing knighthood is subsequently awarded a second one, which is then immediately revoked, so he'll be left with....his first knighthood? What does that accomplish?


This makes absolutely no sense.


It's a Daily Fail article so what do you expect?
2013-01-14 08:55:27 AM  
1 votes:
In the movies, knights are big, strong, strapping men. Why is it that every time I see a modern knight, they're some type of scrawny, old, broken down thing?

I say, if they want to be a knight, there should be a joust to the death.
2013-01-14 07:24:48 AM  
1 votes:
The family pulled down his tombstone and had it ground into landfill about 4 days after the first accusation. I thought that seemed like tasteless madness at the time, given there was only one unproved accusation and you don't desecrate graves.

But then it turns out he's probably the most prolific child abuser in known Western history. Which suggests, perhaps, that the family already knew exactly what he was like, knew what was coming, and did nothing.
2013-01-14 04:19:19 AM  
1 votes:
The majority of his victims were teenage girls. They were called groupies and were considered fair game. What red-blooded male can resist a pretty 15-year-old made up to look 17?  That was pretty much the attitude.
2013-01-14 03:58:43 AM  
1 votes:
This isn't over. I guarantee you people knew. You want justice? Jail everyone who either helped cover up for him or knew and didn't tell anyone.

Until people learn to speak up against evil, they need to be punished.
2013-01-14 02:56:49 AM  
1 votes:

Begoggle: The One True TheDavid:

AHEM. A pedophile is someone who is preferentially or exclusively erotically fixated on pre-pubescent children. This creep was an all around pervert who'd prey on damn near anything. (Is that better or worse than a pedophile who only looks at pictures?)

Oh yeah, there's always one in every thread.
Tell us the real definition of irony too.


Translation: "DON'T CONFUSE ME WITH THE FACTS!"

Note that I'm not defending the predatory creep, only getting pedantic about the definition of a word. This should only bother you if you're embarrassed by your ignorance.

I'll also note that most of the "pedophiles" in articles Farkers have linked to in the past say three years were cave-dwelling dweebs who only downloaded pictures and never said "Boo!" to an actual living child. Indeed, that seems to be the focus of police efforts: let's forget about catching actual predators and concentrate on our lists of often-found IP addresses and on idiots who take their computers to be serviced without removing their hard drives full of kiddie pr0n. And don't give me that "Every time a photo is viewed the child is victimized again: would you rather have your 5 year old buggered by some degenerate or would you prefer he whack off to photos of your snowflake at the hotel pool? Again, I'm not defending "pedophiles," only pointing out that the vast majority are basically harmless wankers. They should still be taken out and shot but they're nothing to be afraid of.

As for the definition of irony, I refer you to an expert in the field: Alanis Morissette. (Rain on your wedding day?!?)
2013-01-14 02:55:06 AM  
1 votes:

Begoggle: The One True TheDavid: AHEM. A pedophile is someone who is preferentially or exclusively erotically fixated on pre-pubescent children. This creep was an all around pervert who'd prey on damn near anything. (Is that better or worse than a pedophile who only looks at pictures?)

Oh yeah, there's always one in every thread.
Tell us the real definition of irony too.


Language ceases to work as a form of communication when we stop following the rules.

Purple monkey dishwasher
2013-01-14 02:17:14 AM  
1 votes:

The One True TheDavid: A pedophile is someone who is preferentially or exclusively erotically fixated on pre-pubescent children. This creep was an all around pervert who'd prey on damn near anything.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile
He has 450 alleged victims. 199 verfied victims recorded by police. 80% of those were children at the time of the incidents.
Does that fit your "preferential" requirement?
2013-01-14 02:16:25 AM  
1 votes:
Anyone else find it amusing that an antiquated system of privileged reward and status was gamed by a man who had particpated in the most depraved of sexual deviancies for decades, and that they can't really figure out what to do about it without actually changing the system?

Think about it - he was given a knighthood, with all the benefits and honors thereto, without anyone bothering to do even a basic background check on the guy? And that, immediately after his death, we then find out that he'd been molesting and raping anything with a heartbeat, from children to seniors, without heed for gender, for decades - what, they didn't know that when he was friggin' alive? Really? And we're supposed to buy that codswallop?

I think not.
2013-01-14 02:05:37 AM  
1 votes:
Well, if knighthoods can't presently be taken off dead people, Parliament can change the law. Make it specific to Saville, if they don't want to create an ongoing headache. Heck, they managed to execute Oliver Cromwell posthumously after the restoration of the monarchy. This is a small thing by comparison.
2013-01-14 01:51:07 AM  
1 votes:
AHEM. A pedophile is someone who is preferentially or exclusively erotically fixated on pre-pubescent children. This creep was an all around pervert who'd prey on damn near anything. (Is that better or worse than a pedophile who only looks at pictures?)
2013-01-14 01:43:05 AM  
1 votes:
How about, they publicly display the body, allowing the general public to piss on it at will?
That should about cover how much dishonor he deserves.
2013-01-14 12:10:00 AM  
1 votes:
Dead pedophile with existing knighthood is subsequently awarded a second one, which is then immediately revoked, so he'll be left with....his first knighthood? What does that accomplish?


This makes absolutely no sense.
 
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