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2013-01-14 12:10:00 AM  
Dead pedophile with existing knighthood is subsequently awarded a second one, which is then immediately revoked, so he'll be left with....his first knighthood? What does that accomplish?


This makes absolutely no sense.
 
2013-01-14 12:46:00 AM  

Apos: Dead pedophile with existing knighthood is subsequently awarded a second one, which is then immediately revoked, so he'll be left with....his first knighthood? What does that accomplish?


This makes absolutely no sense.


It's a Daily Fail article so what do you expect?
 
2013-01-14 12:51:57 AM  

Bucky Katt: Apos: Dead pedophile with existing knighthood is subsequently awarded a second one, which is then immediately revoked, so he'll be left with....his first knighthood? What does that accomplish?


This makes absolutely no sense.

It's a Daily Fail article so what do you expect?



Good point.
 
2013-01-14 01:37:25 AM  
It gives the flaming pitchforks brigade a reason to feel better about themselves
 
2013-01-14 01:43:05 AM  
How about, they publicly display the body, allowing the general public to piss on it at will?
That should about cover how much dishonor he deserves.
 
2013-01-14 01:44:00 AM  
 
2013-01-14 01:47:13 AM  
Hey, they used to disinterr popes so their cranky successors could publically try them for bogus offenses.
 
2013-01-14 01:48:36 AM  
Or better yet, a trial! (I assume you know your English history. lol)

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-01-14 01:49:08 AM  

Apos: Dead pedophile with existing knighthood is subsequently awarded a second one, which is then immediately revoked, so he'll be left with....his first knighthood? What does that accomplish?


This makes absolutely no sense.


Tis a silly place.
 
2013-01-14 01:49:15 AM  

Bonanza Jellybean: Hey, they used to disinterr popes so their cranky successors could publically try them for bogus offenses.


Whoops, forgot link/pic.

Link

http://wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com/blogs/scriptorium/files/2011/0 4 /Cadaver-Synod-body-of-Formosus.jpg
 
2013-01-14 01:49:25 AM  
This is all a show so that people won't begin to wonder if he had friends in high places that swept this under the rug.
 
2013-01-14 01:50:19 AM  
Sorry! Papal history! Started thinking about Cromwell! lol
 
2013-01-14 01:51:00 AM  
Britain is weird....
 
2013-01-14 01:51:07 AM  
AHEM. A pedophile is someone who is preferentially or exclusively erotically fixated on pre-pubescent children. This creep was an all around pervert who'd prey on damn near anything. (Is that better or worse than a pedophile who only looks at pictures?)
 
2013-01-14 01:54:36 AM  

Bonanza Jellybean: Bonanza Jellybean: Hey, they used to disinterr popes so their cranky successors could publically try them for bogus offenses.


If you need us, you will find Bonanza and me in the Fark History Department.
 
2013-01-14 01:55:35 AM  
Now then, now then...
 
2013-01-14 01:56:59 AM  

The One True TheDavid: AHEM. A pedophile is someone who is preferentially or exclusively erotically fixated on pre-pubescent children. This creep was an all around pervert who'd prey on damn near anything. (Is that better or worse than a pedophile who only looks at pictures?)


Oh yeah, there's always one in every thread.
Tell us the real definition of irony too.
 
2013-01-14 01:59:49 AM  

The One True TheDavid: AHEM. A pedophile is someone who is preferentially or exclusively erotically fixated on pre-pubescent children. This creep was an all around pervert who'd prey on damn near anything. (Is that better or worse than a pedophile who only looks at pictures?)


You make a valid point, but have a seat over there for sticking up for the majority of basement/spare bedroom dwelling farkers.
 
2013-01-14 02:05:37 AM  
Well, if knighthoods can't presently be taken off dead people, Parliament can change the law. Make it specific to Saville, if they don't want to create an ongoing headache. Heck, they managed to execute Oliver Cromwell posthumously after the restoration of the monarchy. This is a small thing by comparison.
 
2013-01-14 02:16:22 AM  
How about since this guy is dead and nothing we can do will in any way impact him we find out how exactly over 50 years of sexual abuse was covered up? Then once we find out exactly who was helping him cover this all up we can start persecuting some living people.
 
2013-01-14 02:16:25 AM  
Anyone else find it amusing that an antiquated system of privileged reward and status was gamed by a man who had particpated in the most depraved of sexual deviancies for decades, and that they can't really figure out what to do about it without actually changing the system?

Think about it - he was given a knighthood, with all the benefits and honors thereto, without anyone bothering to do even a basic background check on the guy? And that, immediately after his death, we then find out that he'd been molesting and raping anything with a heartbeat, from children to seniors, without heed for gender, for decades - what, they didn't know that when he was friggin' alive? Really? And we're supposed to buy that codswallop?

I think not.
 
2013-01-14 02:17:14 AM  

The One True TheDavid: A pedophile is someone who is preferentially or exclusively erotically fixated on pre-pubescent children. This creep was an all around pervert who'd prey on damn near anything.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile
He has 450 alleged victims. 199 verfied victims recorded by police. 80% of those were children at the time of the incidents.
Does that fit your "preferential" requirement?
 
2013-01-14 02:19:56 AM  

Anenu: How about since this guy is dead and nothing we can do will in any way impact him we find out how exactly over 50 years of sexual abuse was covered up? Then once we find out exactly who was helping him cover this all up we can start persecuting some living people.


Where do you start, really? I mean, think about it - you know full well it was covered up precisely because he was a famous figure, and I'll bet his knighthood figured into that risk assessment. If that's the case, well, you're looking at actually holding the very concept of knighthood suspect - the people responsible for ensuring that knighthood remained above reproach not only shiat the bed, but pissed on the bedstand and wiped their asses with the curtains as well, figuratively speaking.
 
2013-01-14 02:48:04 AM  
CSS

My great-aunt was awarded a knighthood ("appointed a Dame Commander"), then had it taken away, and then had it given back.

/She educates teenage girls, but doesn't fiddle them, I assure you.
 
2013-01-14 02:49:25 AM  
Enablers and fellow victimizers are quaking
 
2013-01-14 02:55:06 AM  

Begoggle: The One True TheDavid: AHEM. A pedophile is someone who is preferentially or exclusively erotically fixated on pre-pubescent children. This creep was an all around pervert who'd prey on damn near anything. (Is that better or worse than a pedophile who only looks at pictures?)

Oh yeah, there's always one in every thread.
Tell us the real definition of irony too.


Language ceases to work as a form of communication when we stop following the rules.

Purple monkey dishwasher
 
2013-01-14 02:56:49 AM  

Begoggle: The One True TheDavid:

AHEM. A pedophile is someone who is preferentially or exclusively erotically fixated on pre-pubescent children. This creep was an all around pervert who'd prey on damn near anything. (Is that better or worse than a pedophile who only looks at pictures?)

Oh yeah, there's always one in every thread.
Tell us the real definition of irony too.


Translation: "DON'T CONFUSE ME WITH THE FACTS!"

Note that I'm not defending the predatory creep, only getting pedantic about the definition of a word. This should only bother you if you're embarrassed by your ignorance.

I'll also note that most of the "pedophiles" in articles Farkers have linked to in the past say three years were cave-dwelling dweebs who only downloaded pictures and never said "Boo!" to an actual living child. Indeed, that seems to be the focus of police efforts: let's forget about catching actual predators and concentrate on our lists of often-found IP addresses and on idiots who take their computers to be serviced without removing their hard drives full of kiddie pr0n. And don't give me that "Every time a photo is viewed the child is victimized again: would you rather have your 5 year old buggered by some degenerate or would you prefer he whack off to photos of your snowflake at the hotel pool? Again, I'm not defending "pedophiles," only pointing out that the vast majority are basically harmless wankers. They should still be taken out and shot but they're nothing to be afraid of.

As for the definition of irony, I refer you to an expert in the field: Alanis Morissette. (Rain on your wedding day?!?)
 
2013-01-14 03:09:22 AM  

Apos: Bucky Katt: Apos: Dead pedophile with existing knighthood is subsequently awarded a second one, which is then immediately revoked, so he'll be left with....his first knighthood? What does that accomplish?


This makes absolutely no sense.

It's a Daily Fail article so what do you expect?


Good point.


Huh?

Yeah, The Daily Fail, the news entity that decides on who gets a knighthood or not.
 
2013-01-14 03:15:19 AM  
How do you get two knighthoods? Do people have to call him Sir Sir?

Also, how was it possible for people to look at this creep all his life and NOT think pedo? Just look at the farker!
 
2013-01-14 03:19:38 AM  
But do the mormons still get to baptize him?
 
2013-01-14 03:21:15 AM  

FormlessOne: Where do you start, really? I mean, think about it - you know full well it was covered up precisely because he was a famous figure, and I'll bet his knighthood figured into that risk assessment. If that's the case, well, you're looking at actually holding the very concept of knighthood suspect - the people responsible for ensuring that knighthood remained above reproach not only shiat the bed, but pissed on the bedstand and wiped their asses with the curtains as well, figuratively speaking.


You start by creating a task force called Operation Yewtree to investigate the allegations. You also kick arse at the BBC


This case has everything the tabloids want, sex, celebrity, accusations of conspiracy and no living defendant with those pesky rights to a trial and to be held innocent until proven guilty
/FWIW, I think Saville was guilty, but I dislike the pile - on that the tabloids are enjoying. We all know how responsible tabloid journalists can be.
 
2013-01-14 03:22:51 AM  

ReverendJasen: The One True TheDavid:

A pedophile is someone who is preferentially or exclusively erotically fixated on pre-pubescent children. This creep was an all around pervert who'd prey on damn near anything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile
He has 450 alleged victims. 199 verfied victims recorded by police. 80% of those were children at the time of the incidents.
Does that fit your "preferential" requirement?


There was a (what, New York Times?) article linked to here a couple days ago with bar graphs showing the majority of his victims were girls between (I think) 13 and 15 (post-puberty, i.e. might get knocked up) and women over 18. I'm too tired & drunk to find it now, but it's there.

Also note that, AGAIN, I'm not defending the creepy predatory pervert, just getting pedantic about the definition of a word. Regardless of what you call him he should have been skinned alive decades ago.

If I wanted to troll you with the truth I'd point out that the vast majority of these figures are based on reports of things people remembered from say 20 years before: hardly unimpeachable truth. But AGAIN, it doesn't matter how many people he did what to, he obviously did enough harm that he should have been skinned alive decades ago.

Y'all may now call me dirty names because I showed everybody who's not a vapid sheeple what a vapid sheeple you are. No matter: sheeple gotta bleat. If you were capable of rational and critical thought you wouldn't be so easily taken advantage of by people who want to do more to you than point out what "pedophile" really means. Like, oh, the high muckymucks of the two major parties and their corporate overlords who use salacious news like this to draw you closer into their slavefold. "We'll protect you from these evil perverts, all you have to do is give up your rights and freedoms."

AGAIN: I believe that Saville creep should have been skinned alive decades ago. Of course there are many out there who'll call that "defending" him, just as expressing a hope that the Jewish people will continue to perservere as an ethnos will get me called an antisemite, but I gotta live on the planet I got instead of the imaginary World of Rational People with High IQs.

In short, find a better word than "pedophile" to describe an equal-opportunity rapist. You can, right?

/ It's not that I'm a great genius, just that I pass for one by fair comparison.
 
2013-01-14 03:23:30 AM  
I didn't even hear that Michael Jackson had been knighted to begin with.
 
2013-01-14 03:27:11 AM  
If ya'll really want to embarrass him posthumously, replace his headstone with a big monolith that just says 'Here lies Ye Olde Pedophile of the ages'. Make it snazzy, 96 point font, heck carve the sides with angry children all pointing fingers at the ground where he's buried.

This knighthood stuff is child's play.
 
2013-01-14 03:30:44 AM  
That would look mindnumbingly stupid in the London Gazette. It would look a lot like his first knighthood was awarded:

THE QUEEN has been graciously pleased, on the occasion of Her Majesty's Birthday, to signify her intention of conferring the honour of Knighthood upon the undermentioned.

Knights Bachelor

(irrelevant names deleted)

James Wilson Vincent SAVILE, O.B.E., Chairman, Broadmoor Hospital Advisory Committee and Stoke Mandeville Hospital Spinal Injuries Centre. For charitable services.


Just make it never have happened. Revoke it like an erroneous military promotion order.

Letters Patent dated ???? have passed the Great Seal of the Realm declaring void ab initio the Knighthood conferred upon the late James Wilson Vincent SAVILE on the 16th June 1994 as a Knight Bachelor, and the Order of the British Empire conferred upon the late James Wilson Vincent SAVILE on the 1st of January, 1972.

Too bad they can't rewrite the victims' history so quickly.
 
2013-01-14 03:31:53 AM  

S Gilmore L: Now then, now then...


LMFAO
 
2013-01-14 03:32:33 AM  

ladyfortuna: If ya'll really want to embarrass him posthumously, replace his headstone with a big monolith that just says 'Here lies Ye Olde Pedophile of the ages'. Make it snazzy, 96 point font, heck carve the sides with angry children all pointing fingers at the ground where he's buried.

This knighthood stuff is child's play.


i1.mirror.co.uk
www.thescarboroughnews.co.uk
 
2013-01-14 03:33:30 AM  
DuncanMhor:

This case has everything the tabloids want, sex, celebrity, accusations of conspiracy and no living defendant with those pesky rights to a trial and to be held innocent until proven guilty

HUSH. If you show the sheeple they're being stupid they'll call you dirty names.


/FWIW, I think Saville was guilty, but I dislike the pile - on that the tabloids are enjoying. We all know how responsible tabloid journalists can be.

Now, what's still going on in the world of these tabloids' readers that certain interests don't want hoi polloi to pay attention to and figure out? Any political scandals involving living people, for example? Any continuing and worsening economic crises that might be resolved with a whiff of grapeshot up some upturned noses, or maybe by raising taxes on the rich and depriving their corporations of the ability to teabag us? Is there anything going on in the real world of living people that we should notice and take action on?

But in other news, over here we have a DEAD PERVERT!!


/ "Good ol' Shoe!"
 
2013-01-14 03:37:02 AM  

The One True TheDavid: ReverendJasen: The One True TheDavid:

A pedophile is someone who is preferentially or exclusively erotically fixated on pre-pubescent children. This creep was an all around pervert who'd prey on damn near anything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile
He has 450 alleged victims. 199 verfied victims recorded by police. 80% of those were children at the time of the incidents.
Does that fit your "preferential" requirement?

There was a (what, New York Times?) article linked to here a couple days ago with bar graphs showing the majority of his victims were girls between (I think) 13 and 15 (post-puberty, i.e. might get knocked up) and women over 18. I'm too tired & drunk to find it now, but it's there.

Also note that, AGAIN, I'm not defending the creepy predatory pervert, just getting pedantic about the definition of a word. Regardless of what you call him he should have been skinned alive decades ago.

If I wanted to troll you with the truth I'd point out that the vast majority of these figures are based on reports of things people remembered from say 20 years before: hardly unimpeachable truth. But AGAIN, it doesn't matter how many people he did what to, he obviously did enough harm that he should have been skinned alive decades ago.

Y'all may now call me dirty names because I showed everybody who's not a vapid sheeple what a vapid sheeple you are. No matter: sheeple gotta bleat. If you were capable of rational and critical thought you wouldn't be so easily taken advantage of by people who want to do more to you than point out what "pedophile" really means. Like, oh, the high muckymucks of the two major parties and their corporate overlords who use salacious news like this to draw you closer into their slavefold. "We'll protect you from these evil perverts, all you have to do is give up your rights and freedoms."

AGAIN: I believe that Saville creep should have been skinned alive decades ago. Of course there are many out there who'll call that "defending" h ...


Savile had enablers/"friends" in high places like then PM Maggie Thatcher and to a lesser degree members of the royal family, plus the 'Hear/See/Speak no Evil" of the Beeb and various hospitals
that he lurched about in, plus the police forces that tended to minimise any reports on skullduggery.
 
2013-01-14 03:37:49 AM  
I recall reading about this same issue - knighthoods being called into question after death, after prosecution, and so on. I completely agree that if someone deserves the honor (or "honour") and then screws up, that does no invalidate their earlier contributions.

HOWEVER, Saville's charitable work was his crime. He got a knighthood, in essence, for diddling kids. That's different from being caught after retirement, or found to have been diddling kids that had nothing to do with his hospital charities. That's the part that irritates.
 
2013-01-14 03:41:13 AM  

GungFu: ladyfortuna: If ya'll really want to embarrass him posthumously, replace his headstone with a big monolith that just says 'Here lies Ye Olde Pedophile of the ages'. Make it snazzy, 96 point font, heck carve the sides with angry children all pointing fingers at the ground where he's buried.

This knighthood stuff is child's play.

[i1.mirror.co.uk image 615x409]
[www.thescarboroughnews.co.uk image 595x776]


See, they were just clearing the way for my vision.
 
2013-01-14 03:46:04 AM  
Out of all the people, no one ever had the courage to just come right out and accuse him? Not one child ever made that decision? Surely you can't be serious.
 
2013-01-14 03:50:40 AM  

UseLessHuman: Out of all the people, no one ever had the courage to just come right out and accuse him? Not one child ever made that decision? Surely you can't be serious.


I am serious. And don't call me Shirley.
 
2013-01-14 03:53:22 AM  
Hey y'all... whut's going on in this thread?

l2.yimg.com
 
2013-01-14 03:58:43 AM  
This isn't over. I guarantee you people knew. You want justice? Jail everyone who either helped cover up for him or knew and didn't tell anyone.

Until people learn to speak up against evil, they need to be punished.
 
2013-01-14 04:01:14 AM  
bixpchiphead:

Savile had enablers/"friends" in high places like then PM Maggie Thatcher and to a lesser degree members of the royal family, plus the 'Hear/See/Speak no Evil" of the Beeb and various hospitals
that he lurched about in, plus the police forces that tended to minimise any reports on skullduggery.


Very good point. Now, what might he have had on them to "justify" their "loyalty"? If the PM was afraid of a pipsqueak pervert what might she have been up to that he knew about?

I'd love to have Obama's Kenyan birth certificate well hidden away in case the DHS stuck its nose in my butt. His Communist Party membership card would be a great find too.
 
2013-01-14 04:01:53 AM  
"He's dead, Jim."
 
2013-01-14 04:19:19 AM  
The majority of his victims were teenage girls. They were called groupies and were considered fair game. What red-blooded male can resist a pretty 15-year-old made up to look 17?  That was pretty much the attitude.
 
2013-01-14 04:50:19 AM  

bixpchiphead: Savile had enablers/"friends" in high places like then PM Maggie Thatcher and to a lesser degree members of the royal family


That's just the kind of big juicy, uncited, allegation I like to see with my morning tea. Can I read more about it?

Apos: Dead pedophile with existing knighthood is subsequently awarded a second one, which is then immediately revoked, so he'll be left with....his first knighthood? What does that accomplish?


This makes absolutely no sense.


That's whats wrong with the world. Everyone is so outraged they have to show their outrage otherwise people might not think they're outraged enough which would outrage other people.

Jimmy was a paedophile, an ephebophile, a rapist and a pervert. We should dig him up and set his corpse on fire and see if anyone will piss on it, putting an oft used adage to the test.

The One True TheDavid: AHEM. A pedophile is someone who is preferentially or exclusively erotically fixated on pre-pubescent children. This creep was an all around pervert who'd prey on damn near anything. (Is that better or worse than a pedophile who only looks at pictures?)


If that's it, Jimmy vs a paedophile who only looks at pictures then obviously Jimmy is worse. The reactions you got to asking that simple and benign question in this thread highlights why we'll never deal with paedophilia properly, because people see it as something you have to show outrage at, otherwise you're a paedophile yourself. If you dare try and understand the causes, and deal with it you might as well be rogering a child in front of these people. Anything other than "lock 'em up and throw away the key", is political and cultural suicide in our lands.

I don't see the problem, it's either a mental condition or a sexual preference, so treat it as one, study it, find out causes and find out ways to mitigate it. If we have a world where paedophiles can get treatment without getting arrested (assuming they come in before committing any crimes) then we'll have fewer paedophiles taking out their urges on children because they'll be getting the help they need. By refusing to make any effort to understand paedophilia we're fighting it with one hand tied behind our backs and a blindfold on. Know your enemy.

None of this applies to people like Jimmy Savile though, because there will always be sick twisted perverts out there who will fark anything with a pulse, and in Jimmy's case, anything without a pulse as well. If the rumours I choose to believe are accurate.
 
2013-01-14 05:06:03 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Or better yet, a trial! (I assume you know your English history. lol)

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That's the Cadaveric Synod. Not any less ridiculous, but it was a Pope they dug up and tried.

A better way to deal with this, imo, would be to allow whatever honors and money would accrue to his "title" to be used to provide funds for his victims' therapy.
 
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