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2013-01-13 08:43:45 PM  
I've never understood the court's decision to side with the "style that you've grown accustomed" argument.

So? She/He spent that way according to the knowledge of the joint bank account. Once that ends, they should get an equitable split (Which, in this case sounds like she was given $7,000,000 and a few houses.) and then each is responsible for doing their own budget based upon their own assets.

I don't honestly care, but it always smacked me as really f*cked up for the courts to rule like they do. Some of the people they rule against are rich scumbags who we'd all like to see take a hit. Yeah, that's fine. I laugh, you laugh. It just doesn't seem legally right to do.

I'd spend as much as possible if I was allowed and had a wife worth $500,000,000... That doesn't mean I'm legally allowed to do so after we break up. Dunno... YMMV
 
2013-01-13 09:09:39 PM  
The price of freedom can be enormous.
 
2013-01-13 09:28:45 PM  
She noted he once clandestinely invited mental health professionals to a party so that they could observe his wife, whom he believes suffers from bipolar disorder.

This in turn forced Christine McCain to seek the services of a psychiatrist, who found no evidence to warrant a diagnosis, the judge wrote, adding the experience "must have been very hurtful."


Yo dawg, we heard you like psychiatrists so we brought a psychiatrist to the party so you'll get a psychiatrist.
 
2013-01-13 09:30:44 PM  

fusillade762: She noted he once clandestinely invited mental health professionals to a party so that they could observe his wife, whom he believes suffers from bipolar disorder.

This in turn forced Christine McCain to seek the services of a psychiatrist, who found no evidence to warrant a diagnosis, the judge wrote, adding the experience "must have been very hurtful."

Yo dawg, we heard you like psychiatrists so we brought a psychiatrist to the party so you'll get a psychiatrist.


She's not crazy her husband had her tested.
 
2013-01-13 09:44:52 PM  
I married the wrong damn men.

I can't even get child support out of the losers, let alone alimony.

/not bitter
//ok, I'm bitter
 
2013-01-13 10:22:39 PM  
Hell if I could afford to pay 175k a month I would be a happy man

/did the math, if I sold my house, shop, tools and emptied my bank accounts I could support her for almost 8 months.
//assuming I could get market value for everything.
 
2013-01-13 10:25:39 PM  

Pribar: Hell if I could afford to pay 175k a month I would be a happy man

/did the math, if I sold my house, shop, tools and emptied my bank accounts I could support her for almost 8 months.
//assuming I could get market value for everything.


I don't believe you. What's your bank account number?
 
2013-01-13 10:37:18 PM  

ArkAngel: Pribar: Hell if I could afford to pay 175k a month I would be a happy man

/did the math, if I sold my house, shop, tools and emptied my bank accounts I could support her for almost 8 months.
//assuming I could get market value for everything.

I don't believe you. What's your bank account number?


Marry me and find out
 
2013-01-13 10:58:02 PM  
Out of curiosity. If one party goes belly up, are they still obligated to pay full alimony, despite having a drastic lifestyle change themselves? Because right now it sounds like alimony is a winning lottery ticket for farking the right piece of meat and nothing else.
 
2013-01-13 11:08:39 PM  
<I>In her ruling, Ontario Superior Court Justice Susan Greer said that while the agreement may have seemed fair to Michael McCain when it was signed in 1997, over time it had become "unconscionable."</i>

Wow, big surprise that a female judge would set aside contract law over something as subjective as conscience.
And even after deciding it's legal, why does alimony have to be based on her previous level of living? She agreed to leave the marriage didn't she?
 
2013-01-13 11:20:11 PM  

Gig103: Wow, big surprise that a female judge would set aside contract law


Signing a contract under duress (the elder McCain threatened to disown his children if their spouses did not sign away their rights to spousal support and some business assets in exchange for a cash payout and some properties including the matrimonial home.) makes the contract invalid.
 
2013-01-13 11:29:06 PM  

NewportBarGuy: I've never understood the court's decision to side with the "style that you've grown accustomed" argument.


This.

You want someone's money? Don't get divorced.

You want to get divorced, you should get a reasonable amount of assets based on your contribution to joint possessions and your own property. That's it.
 
2013-01-13 11:36:09 PM  

ajgeek: Out of curiosity. If one party goes belly up, are they still obligated to pay full alimony, despite having a drastic lifestyle change themselves? Because right now it sounds like alimony is a winning lottery ticket for farking the right piece of meat and nothing else.


You have to go to the court and petition to have it changed. Chances are it will be granted. But a lot of people don't know that, so the poor schlub who loses his $15/hr job is stuck trying to keep up on child support payments of less than $1,000 per month and can't make it.

NewportBarGuy: So? She/He spent that way according to the knowledge of the joint bank account. Once that ends, they should get an equitable split (Which, in this case sounds like she was given $7,000,000 and a few houses.) and then each is responsible for doing their own budget based upon their own assets.


One could argue that it's not fair to allow someone to become accustomed to a given lifestyle and then take away a substantial part of that. Yes, it's epic entitlement and privilege that allows someone to think they're slumming it with $7 million, but I don't think it's up to a court to decide what is and is not too opulent.

Having said that, I prefer that logic to apply to rich parents leaving their kids a lot of money, not to divorcees.
 
2013-01-13 11:37:01 PM  
What's more, she said the agreement was achieved under "subtle and psychological" duress because refusing it would have meant significant financial penalties for the couple.

Holy shiat. Significant financial penalties? As in "Not getting daddy's inheritance?" WTF?


By signing the contract, his wife waived her right to spousal support and the equalization of family property, trading them in for a lump sum of $7 million and the title to the family home.

No sympathy for any of the parties involved. None.
 
2013-01-13 11:38:00 PM  

SecretAgentWoman: I married the wrong damn men.

I can't even get child support out of the losers, let alone alimony.

/not bitter
//ok, I'm bitter


A double divorced woman is bitter? No way.
 
2013-01-13 11:39:25 PM  
Lesson: If you're rich, don't get married.
 
2013-01-13 11:40:53 PM  
Use her then dump 'er...

www.hotflick.net
 
2013-01-13 11:43:31 PM  
In other news apparently subby has never heard of the 1%
 
2013-01-13 11:45:01 PM  
Would've been cheaper just to kill her.
 
2013-01-13 11:46:27 PM  

doglover: You want to get divorced, you should get a reasonable amount of assets based on your contribution to joint possessions and your own property. That's it.


It is very common for one partner in a marriage to sacrifice their career so that the other partner is successful in theirs. It could be working instead of going to grad school so the partner can go to medical school. It could be giving up a dream job because it would mean moving. It could be raising the children full time so that the partner can pursue a demanding career without having to worry about child raising.

In all those examples the successful spouse owes a part of their continued success on the other partner's contribution. So, in the divorce the less successful partner is entitled to a part of the rewards of what they worked together towards.

/I know, I'm not going to make bitter divorcees less bitter.
 
2013-01-13 11:47:37 PM  

7th Son of a 7th Son: Would've been cheaper just to kill her.


That's the sequel.
 
2013-01-13 11:47:47 PM  

SecretAgentWoman: I married the wrong damn men.

I can't even get child support out of the losers, let alone alimony.

/not bitter
//ok, I'm bitter


*clicks profile*

how YOU doin

/ and since im a loser, youd feel totally comfortable with me
 
2013-01-13 11:49:01 PM  
Total•Alimony
 
2013-01-13 11:49:28 PM  

basemetal: The price of freedom can be enormous.


That's some A-level salad toss.
 
2013-01-13 11:49:53 PM  
tell that biatch to call me up

/thats BS
 
2013-01-13 11:50:10 PM  
See....here is where I get confused....I agree with the judge that this contract was made under duress and was not valid and so that family can go fark itself...I'm a guy and I find the whole situation unconscionable too so all you hating the woman judge can go fark yourself as well.

but....

I also think that amassing 500 million dollars in wealth is also unconscionable and contrary to sound public policy.


So I think that legally it's the right answer to a situation that shouldn't even be legal in the first place which makes it "legally illegal" and that makes my head spin.
 
2013-01-13 11:53:47 PM  
The fact that she asked for child support for children of ages 19-26 makes my level of sympathy for her absolute zero.
 
2013-01-13 11:55:28 PM  

SpaceyCat: Gig103: Wow, big surprise that a female judge would set aside contract law

Signing a contract under duress (the elder McCain threatened to disown his children if their spouses did not sign away their rights to spousal support and some business assets in exchange for a cash payout and some properties including the matrimonial home.) makes the contract invalid.


What duress? She didn't have to marry him. She could have decided that she didn't want to be involved in a family that crazy.
 
2013-01-13 11:55:53 PM  

Krieghund: In all those examples the successful spouse owes a part of their continued success on the other partner's contribution. So, in the divorce the less successful partner is entitled to a part of the rewards of what they worked together towards.


That's true in many cases. Here however, she could have put herself through medical school on one month worth of the alimony she's now collecting. She obviously didn't sacrifice her career on his behalf taking care of children, maintaining a home, etc. They made more than enough to pay for child support while she was doing whatever. She was probably content to sit around and enjoy the lifestyle that his career bought, and now wants to keep it up.
 
2013-01-13 11:56:09 PM  
the republicans are right the rich have it rough suck it up libs
 
2013-01-13 11:56:51 PM  

poison_amy: The fact that she asked for child support for children of ages 19-26 makes my level of sympathy for her absolute zero.


All the haters in this thread should scroll through Rich Kids of Instagram for a few minutes.
 
2013-01-13 11:56:56 PM  
er, child care.
 
2013-01-13 11:56:59 PM  

Krieghund: /I know, I'm not going to make bitter divorcees less bitter.


Or stupid laws less stupid. Yes there exists a possibility that one spouse assists the other in making a good household.

Back in reality, protecting them is as important as protecting other people from gold diggers.
 
2013-01-13 11:57:41 PM  

poison_amy: The fact that she asked for child support for children of ages 19-26 makes my level of sympathy for her absolute zero.


it's canadien money
 
2013-01-13 11:58:05 PM  

AxemRed: Lesson: If you're rich, don't get married.


Lesson: If you're rich If you're a man, don't get married.

/ftfy
 
2013-01-13 11:58:07 PM  

AxemRed: Lesson: If you're rich, don't get married.


Or at the very least not without a prenup
 
2013-01-13 11:58:29 PM  
And lets not forget that the agreement gave her 7 million and a house in the event of a divorce. It wasn't like she was being handed a change of clothes and a bus ticket.
 
2013-01-13 11:58:54 PM  
McCain family fortune was made by the family patriarch. Please explain how the wife of one of the sons contributed to the making of this fortune such that she should be entitled to such a HUGE monthly alimony payment?

Oh...female judge. Nevermind.
 
2013-01-14 12:01:19 AM  

SecretAgentWoman: I married the wrong damn men.

I can't even get child support out of the losers, let alone alimony.

/not bitter
//ok, I'm bitter


You're hot.
/hot
 
2013-01-14 12:01:45 AM  

FishyFred: ajgeek: Out of curiosity. If one party goes belly up, are they still obligated to pay full alimony, despite having a drastic lifestyle change themselves? Because right now it sounds like alimony is a winning lottery ticket for farking the right piece of meat and nothing else.

You have to go to the court and petition to have it changed. Chances are it will be granted. But a lot of people don't know that, so the poor schlub who loses his $15/hr job is stuck trying to keep up on child support payments of less than $1,000 per month and can't make it.


Realize, also, that it can easily take months in some jurisdictions to get a court date and several court dates to get the change enacted.
 
2013-01-14 12:01:52 AM  

ongbok: And lets not forget that the agreement gave her 7 million and a house in the event of a divorce. It wasn't like she was being handed a change of clothes and a bus ticket.


fark the biatches and ho's.

any one wonder why us smart ones stay single.
 
2013-01-14 12:02:23 AM  
This is what happens when east-coast oligarchs meet Ontario judges. You're in Upper Canada now biatches.
 
2013-01-14 12:02:28 AM  
I'm fairly sure one month's alimony could hire a pretty professional hitman that would make it so future payments will not have to be made to the ex wife. Of course, that same amount of cash could hire a competent enough hitman so that she can cash in as the beneficiary of his life insurance policy.
 
2013-01-14 12:03:38 AM  
She gets a monthly payout that is greater than about 90-95% of American households' YEARLY income for simply not farking some guy anymore?

Seems legit.
 
2013-01-14 12:08:12 AM  
I wish I had the money to give $175,000 per month...

I wish I had the money to give $175,000 per decade.
 
2013-01-14 12:08:26 AM  

SpaceyCat: Gig103: Wow, big surprise that a female judge would set aside contract law

Signing a contract under duress (the elder McCain threatened to disown his children if their spouses did not sign away their rights to spousal support and some business assets in exchange for a cash payout and some properties including the matrimonial home.) makes the contract invalid.


That's not duress.
 
2013-01-14 12:08:44 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: any one wonder why us smart ones stay single.


RhetButlerorical question, My friend.
 
2013-01-14 12:09:10 AM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: She gets a monthly payout that is greater than about 90-95% of American households' YEARLY income for simply not farking some guy anymore?

Seems legit.


she deserved it, not really
 
2013-01-14 12:11:13 AM  

basemetal: The price of freedom can be enormous.


This is what they mean by "freedom isn't free".
 
2013-01-14 12:11:56 AM  
Q: You know why divorce is so expensive?

A: Because they are worth it.
 
2013-01-14 12:12:12 AM  
I've said it before and I will say it again, alimony should never be more than the recipient would get if they were on welfare and should not be paid for more than four years. That is long enough to get an education and put yourself back in a position to earn your own way. Also, alimony should only be paid if the recipient can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are unemployable as a result if the marriage. Child support should be put in a trust that requires the payer has say in how the money is spent. Any extracurricular lessons sports etc. are to be split by the parents aside from child support. Child support is for the basic needs of the children not karate classes and iPads. No one should be paying thousands a month in child support no matter how much they make.
 
2013-01-14 12:12:46 AM  

Gig103: Wow, big surprise that a female judge would set aside contract law over something as subjective as conscience.


This. She should be on the Florida Supreme Court. And it wasn't even an issue of conscience at the time. It is something that later became unconscionable.

This is like being arrested for conspiracy. They can dump that shiat on you, and what are you going to do about it? Nothing.

The solution is: don't get married. Don't knock any biatches up. If you are uber-loaded, then get fixed. Make sure nobody ever uses your address for any billing. Never have any joint accounts. Never hold yourself out as spouses. Leave a massive paper trail that demonstrates the relationship is not monogamous, that you have no intent for it to be permanent, and that you are not co-habitating.
 
2013-01-14 12:13:53 AM  

bonzeemer: You're hot.
/hot


thisiszombocom: how YOU doin


Good news! If her post is any indication, she's a bad judge of character. You guys are in luck!
 
2013-01-14 12:16:35 AM  

SevenizGud: The solution is: don't get married. Don't knock any biatches up. If you are uber-loaded, then get fixed. Make sure nobody ever uses your address for any billing. Never have any joint accounts. Never hold yourself out as spouses. Leave a massive paper trail that demonstrates the relationship is not monogamous, that you have no intent for it to be permanent, and that you are not co-habitating.


Some people, regardless of how much money they have, like having interpersonal relationships. Relationships require trust.

This thread is going to have a lot of people who forget that.
 
2013-01-14 12:20:06 AM  
As a percentage it isn't that much.

She gets roughly 0.4 percent of his net worth a year. If he took all his money and invested it earning 4% a year, he would still be earning ten times his alimony a year.
 
2013-01-14 12:21:57 AM  

worlddan: See....here is where I get confused....I agree with the judge that this contract was made under duress and was not valid and so that family can go fark itself...I'm a guy and I find the whole situation unconscionable too so all you hating the woman judge can go fark yourself as well.

but....

I also think that amassing 500 million dollars in wealth is also unconscionable and contrary to sound public policy.


So I think that legally it's the right answer to a situation that shouldn't even be legal in the first place which makes it "legally illegal" and that makes my head spin.


Yeah, it's really bad public policy to allow wealth creators to be rewarded......wtf....
 
2013-01-14 12:22:23 AM  

NewportBarGuy: I've never understood the court's decision to side with the "style that you've grown accustomed" argument.

So? She/He spent that way according to the knowledge of the joint bank account. Once that ends, they should get an equitable split (Which, in this case sounds like she was given $7,000,000 and a few houses.) and then each is responsible for doing their own budget based upon their own assets.

I don't honestly care, but it always smacked me as really f*cked up for the courts to rule like they do. Some of the people they rule against are rich scumbags who we'd all like to see take a hit. Yeah, that's fine. I laugh, you laugh. It just doesn't seem legally right to do.

I'd spend as much as possible if I was allowed and had a wife worth $500,000,000... That doesn't mean I'm legally allowed to do so after we break up. Dunno... YMMV


Pretty much.

If the couple had kids, I could see where it wouldn't really be fair to suddenly swoop the kids out of a big mansion and the rest and plop them into a double-wide because daddy or mommy is a dick (or coont, as the case may be). That said, there's no reason a child should ALSO get to be a Linday Lohan wannabe because Daddy was letting her be one before the divorce, either. Unless he wants to, but then there'd probably not be an issue about child support or alimony anyway.

But for these couples with grown kids who get up and say "Oh, I can't possibly live in anything less than a fifteen-room mansion with a vacation home in the Bahamas and $200K annually spending money, he's CEO of a Fortune 100 company, he can afford it..." well, guess what, sweetie, you can too. You're certainly legally entitled to SOME of his money--but you can just figure out how to live like a normal person in a normal house like everyone else.
 
2013-01-14 12:26:18 AM  

silverjets: Oh...female judge. Nevermind.


One of my workers sons went through court in relation to child support within the last year. He spent 12 years in the army and is currently going to school on the GI Bill.....woman judge claimed he should be making 80k since he is 30 some odd years old instead of the 20k he makes part time while in school and awarded child support based on the 80k amount.
 
2013-01-14 12:31:19 AM  
The decisions made by family courts are, for all intents and purposes, random. Knowing this, we can deduce two things:

1. If your lawyer allows a proceeding to last through the various stages of mediation and negotiation long enough to actually wind up being heard in front of a judge, you have hired a retard.

2. If you are a male in the situation described in #1, and your response upon learning that you are on your way to court does not involve the immediate settlement of your dispute or the death of one of the litigants, your lawyer is orders of magnitude smarter than you.
 
2013-01-14 12:31:43 AM  
Man, crap like this makes me feel even more glad that I'm not married, and that my standards are unusually high.
 
2013-01-14 12:32:08 AM  
He should hire OJ.
 
2013-01-14 12:32:39 AM  

Giltric: silverjets: Oh...female judge. Nevermind.

One of my workers sons went through court in relation to child support within the last year. He spent 12 years in the army and is currently going to school on the GI Bill.....woman judge claimed he should be making 80k since he is 30 some odd years old instead of the 20k he makes part time while in school and awarded child support based on the 80k amount.


Things like this is why I hate modern liberalism so much....unreal.
 
2013-01-14 12:32:46 AM  

ongbok: SpaceyCat: Gig103: Wow, big surprise that a female judge would set aside contract law

Signing a contract under duress (the elder McCain threatened to disown his children if their spouses did not sign away their rights to spousal support and some business assets in exchange for a cash payout and some properties including the matrimonial home.) makes the contract invalid.

What duress? She didn't have to marry him. She could have decided that she didn't want to be involved in a family that crazy.


Married 30 years

Contract "offered" in 1997

I'll disown my son if you don't sign = Duress

Want to disown the son? then disown him

don't bully the wife, asshat
 
2013-01-14 12:32:47 AM  
I wouldn't be surprised if this woman ended up having some kind of unfortunate accident eventually.
 
2013-01-14 12:33:02 AM  

SecretAgentWoman: I married the wrong damn men.

I can't even get child support out of the losers, let alone alimony.

/not bitter
//ok, I'm bitter


I send my ex nearly 60% of my net income, and I took all the debt when we split up. She thinks that's not enough, and wants 70% of my net income. When we split up, I had just become unemployed from Nortel, and we were in the process of losing the house. But the farking lawyers used the "style to which she had become accustomed" argument. So now, I work at a job that pays $45k less than I made at Nortel, to support her "in the style to which she had become accustomed". Oh, and in the year before we split up, I borrowed $9K to send her to school to become a medical tech. She graduated with honours. Four years later, she still hasn't bothered to get a job, because, hell, why should she?

/not all deadbeats
//some kinda bitter
 
2013-01-14 12:33:46 AM  
He's worth half a billion dollars ... so in other words, it takes him about the same amount of time to earn $175K in interest as it does to write out a check for $175K and walk it out to the mailbox. Boo hoo.
 
2013-01-14 12:34:18 AM  
shiat, I'm straight, but I'd gladly marry and divorce a CEO for $175,000 per month.
 
2013-01-14 12:34:39 AM  

zepillin: ongbok: SpaceyCat: Gig103: Wow, big surprise that a female judge would set aside contract law

Signing a contract under duress (the elder McCain threatened to disown his children if their spouses did not sign away their rights to spousal support and some business assets in exchange for a cash payout and some properties including the matrimonial home.) makes the contract invalid.

What duress? She didn't have to marry him. She could have decided that she didn't want to be involved in a family that crazy.

Married 30 years

Contract "offered" in 1997

I'll disown my son if you don't sign = Duress

Want to disown the son? then disown him

don't bully the wife, asshat


So the person who made the money, and currently has the money, isn't allowed to have any say in who gets the money? Fark that.

My question is, why wouldn't he have just arranged for a bequest in trust?
 
2013-01-14 12:37:36 AM  

sandbar67: He's worth half a billion dollars ... so in other words, it takes him about the same amount of time to earn $175K in interest as it does to write out a check for $175K and walk it out to the mailbox. Boo hoo.


It's not about what he's lost, it's about what she's unjustly gained. Marrying somebody who's in line to get a fortune doesn't entitle you to squat. Hell, being descended from someone who's made a fortune doesn't necessarily mean any of it's going to become yours. If he's divorcing her, I'm guessing he plans to stick it to her by withholding as much of his family's money as he can because again, fark her, it's not like she earned it. You don't ask for a doggy bag at the all-you-can-eat buffet.
 
2013-01-14 12:40:41 AM  

Flakeloaf: sandbar67: He's worth half a billion dollars ... so in other words, it takes him about the same amount of time to earn $175K in interest as it does to write out a check for $175K and walk it out to the mailbox. Boo hoo.

It's not about what he's lost, it's about what she's unjustly gained. Marrying somebody who's in line to get a fortune doesn't entitle you to squat. Hell, being descended from someone who's made a fortune doesn't necessarily mean any of it's going to become yours. If he's divorcing her, I'm guessing he plans to stick it to her by withholding as much of his family's money as he can because again, fark her, it's not like she earned it. You don't ask for a doggy bag at the all-you-can-eat buffet.


As the spouse for the majority of this adult life shouldn't she really be getting half of the estate.  I think he's the one making out here.
 
2013-01-14 12:42:19 AM  

Flakeloaf: zepillin: ongbok: SpaceyCat: Gig103: Wow, big surprise that a female judge would set aside contract law

Signing a contract under duress (the elder McCain threatened to disown his children if their spouses did not sign away their rights to spousal support and some business assets in exchange for a cash payout and some properties including the matrimonial home.) makes the contract invalid.

What duress? She didn't have to marry him. She could have decided that she didn't want to be involved in a family that crazy.

Married 30 years

Contract "offered" in 1997

I'll disown my son if you don't sign = Duress

Want to disown the son? then disown him

don't bully the wife, asshat

So the person who made the money, and currently has the money, isn't allowed to have any say in who gets the money? Fark that.

My question is, why wouldn't he have just arranged for a bequest in trust?


He is. It's called a will.
 
2013-01-14 12:45:08 AM  
Rich folks problems - I'm not impressed.
Try coming up with $500 a week working a service job.  No kids, no house, 52 weeks a year for five years.  Longest 5 years of my life.

eat the rich
 
2013-01-14 12:51:20 AM  

DarkLancelot: Flakeloaf: sandbar67: He's worth half a billion dollars ... so in other words, it takes him about the same amount of time to earn $175K in interest as it does to write out a check for $175K and walk it out to the mailbox. Boo hoo.

It's not about what he's lost, it's about what she's unjustly gained. Marrying somebody who's in line to get a fortune doesn't entitle you to squat. Hell, being descended from someone who's made a fortune doesn't necessarily mean any of it's going to become yours. If he's divorcing her, I'm guessing he plans to stick it to her by withholding as much of his family's money as he can because again, fark her, it's not like she earned it. You don't ask for a doggy bag at the all-you-can-eat buffet.

As the spouse for the majority of this adult life shouldn't she really be getting half of the estate.  I think he's the one making out here.


Why? Why does being his wife entitle her to anything his father did? It's a family gift, given to him with specific instructions not to share it with her to cut off exactly this kind of gold digging.

zepillin: He is. It's called a will.


But if the money were put into a trust, as opposed to simply passed on to any children whose spouses agreed to sign the contract, it wouldn't matter if she divorced him and took half of what he owned because the trust fund doesn't belong to him.
 
2013-01-14 12:55:30 AM  
Any rich Farkettes want to marry me? I'm housebroken, and like long threads in the rain.
 
2013-01-14 12:56:24 AM  

SpaceyCat: Gig103: Wow, big surprise that a female judge would set aside contract law

Signing a contract under duress (the elder McCain threatened to disown his children if their spouses did not sign away their rights to spousal support and some business assets in exchange for a cash payout and some properties including the matrimonial home.) makes the contract invalid.


That duress is between McCain and his father, not the wife. She loved him enough to sign it when he probably made it clear that the family fortune was most important. She knew what family she was marrying into and I'm sure relished at the thought of that lifestyle (I would).
 
2013-01-14 12:56:49 AM  

davidphogan: Any rich Farkettes want to marry me? I'm housebroken, and like long threads in the rain.


what are your thoughts on pina coladas?
 
2013-01-14 01:02:05 AM  
I'm willing to bet there are some high end professional hit men who will do the job for $250K and the body will never be found.
 
2013-01-14 01:07:21 AM  

poison_amy: The fact that she asked for child support for children of ages 19-26 makes my level of sympathy for her absolute zero.


While these kids are probably trust funded up to their eyeballs, in all sincerity it is very difficult for 19-26 year-olds to survive with no parental assistance at all in the modern world. Most career paths don't pull down enough to fully handle all of their own bills until you finish a 4-year degree and have a couple of years experience, and that's if everything goes well. For some highly professional careers, like doctors, lawyers, and scientists, it takes even longer than that. Of course there are sometimes undesirable options (like running up massive debt) but that's not really self-sufficiency either, and it can extend the second phase of dependency (where you are making money, but not enough to live on).
 
2013-01-14 01:07:38 AM  
$175,000 Canadian is like, what, $155.93 American?
 
2013-01-14 01:09:16 AM  

Pribar: Hell if I could afford to pay 175k a month I would be a happy man

/did the math, if I sold my house, shop, tools and emptied my bank accounts I could support her for almost 8 months.
//assuming I could get market value for everything.


I could support her for about 8 days!
 
2013-01-14 01:10:53 AM  

thisiszombocom: davidphogan: Any rich Farkettes want to marry me? I'm housebroken, and like long threads in the rain.

what are your thoughts on pina coladas?


They could be worse. They could be better as well. Like, if the rum were just mixed with root beer, or cola, or something that doesn't taste like crap, but I have no problem with them. They're better than a long walk in the rain, which I've done a lot in Portland. That's one stereotype about this city that's true.
 
2013-01-14 01:12:08 AM  
i362.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-14 01:13:44 AM  

Flakeloaf: DarkLancelot: Flakeloaf: sandbar67: He's worth half a billion dollars ... so in other words, it takes him about the same amount of time to earn $175K in interest as it does to write out a check for $175K and walk it out to the mailbox. Boo hoo.

It's not about what he's lost, it's about what she's unjustly gained. Marrying somebody who's in line to get a fortune doesn't entitle you to squat. Hell, being descended from someone who's made a fortune doesn't necessarily mean any of it's going to become yours. If he's divorcing her, I'm guessing he plans to stick it to her by withholding as much of his family's money as he can because again, fark her, it's not like she earned it. You don't ask for a doggy bag at the all-you-can-eat buffet.

As the spouse for the majority of this adult life shouldn't she really be getting half of the estate.  I think he's the one making out here.

Why? Why does being his wife entitle her to anything his father did? It's a family gift, given to him with specific instructions not to share it with her to cut off exactly this kind of gold digging.

zepillin: He is. It's called a will.

But if the money were put into a trust, as opposed to simply passed on to any children whose spouses agreed to sign the contract, it wouldn't matter if she divorced him and took half of what he owned because the trust fund doesn't belong to him.


It ceases to be his father's once he inherits it.  What a plan for gold digging? Marrying and staying with him 30 years and having several children, a shrewd plan indeed.
 
2013-01-14 01:15:44 AM  
When the couple broke up, Michael McCain was believed to be worth about half a billion dollars, the document shows.

Ya, something tells me $175,000/month isn't going to crimp his style too much.
 
2013-01-14 01:16:47 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: ongbok: And lets not forget that the agreement gave her 7 million and a house in the event of a divorce. It wasn't like she was being handed a change of clothes and a bus ticket.

fark the biatches and ho's.

any one wonder why us smart ones stay single.


Ya, I'm sure it has a lot to do with how "smart" you are.
 
2013-01-14 01:16:48 AM  

Mitrovarr: in all sincerity it is very difficult for 19-26 year-olds to survive with no parental assistance at all in the modern world


19-26 is the new newborn-18

Wow...just..wow.
 
2013-01-14 01:22:44 AM  

Giltric: 19-26 is the new newborn-18

Wow...just..wow.


Yeah, well, if people don't like it, they can pay young people enough to live on, not require degrees for fields that blatantly don't need them, and don't make people run up a ton of debt for college if they do need it. It's not that today's 20-somethings don't want to be independent, but the deck is stacked against them in like a dozen different ways.
 
2013-01-14 01:35:11 AM  

SecretAgentWoman: I married the wrong damn men.

I can't even get child support out of the losers, let alone alimony.

/not bitter
//ok, I'm bitter


Wow, your men sucked.

I'm mid-divorce. I volunteered to give my soon-to-be-ex $1300 a month in alimony in addition to the $1700 a month in child support. She's the mother of my children, and she sidetracked a career to be a stay-at-home mom. Just because we fight all the time (she suffers from Aspergers and I... don't) is no reason for me to leave her twisting in the wind.
 
2013-01-14 01:45:38 AM  
Where are the women's rights people? This subject never comes up. 'We want equal pay!' (and ps: treat us like special babies when we get divorced).

It's a double standard and it sucks.

Yes, I know not all women are like that. But I've seen some.
 
2013-01-14 01:49:44 AM  
It's much less expensive just to hire a couple of guys to show up and kill the biatch and dispose of the body if you have that much money.

My ex is lucky I'm not rich.
 
2013-01-14 01:50:44 AM  

NewportBarGuy: I've never understood the court's decision to side with the "style that you've grown accustomed" argument.

So? She/He spent that way according to the knowledge of the joint bank account. Once that ends, they should get an equitable split (Which, in this case sounds like she was given $7,000,000 and a few houses.) and then each is responsible for doing their own budget based upon their own assets.

I don't honestly care, but it always smacked me as really f*cked up for the courts to rule like they do. Some of the people they rule against are rich scumbags who we'd all like to see take a hit. Yeah, that's fine. I laugh, you laugh. It just doesn't seem legally right to do.

I'd spend as much as possible if I was allowed and had a wife worth $500,000,000... That doesn't mean I'm legally allowed to do so after we break up. Dunno... YMMV


I think it's this way because historically a woman's quality of life went significantly down after she's had a divorce. Back in the day (hell, even today in some backwards countries) a man can just drop a woman like a rock and make off with everything, leaving her single, raising the kids and with the stigma of not being good enough to keep a man.

I can understand why certain laws were written to prevent this, forcing the husband to take responsibility for the wife he agreed to be with until death, especially when she's made significant sacrifices in her own life and education for the family. (The woman ITFA gave 30+ years to this guy! It's not like she was a trophy wife gold digger)

I see it like Unions. It originally was to protect those who constantly got screwed over, and morphed into something else when people got too greedy and found out how to play the system.

/Not saying that this applies to the people ITFA, but I can see why the judged ruled in this case.
 
2013-01-14 01:50:45 AM  
SecretAgentWoman: I married the wrong damn men.

I can't even get child support out of the losers, let alone alimony.

/not bitter
//ok, I'm bitter


Going by the pic I'd say SecretAgentWoman is a total MILF/cougar.

/I'd get into her business if u know what I mean...
 
2013-01-14 01:53:45 AM  

silverjets: McCain family fortune was made by the family patriarch. Please explain how the wife of one of the sons contributed to the making of this fortune such that she should be entitled to such a HUGE monthly alimony payment?


I want to know what the son contributed to the making of this fortune such that he should be entitled to the entire $500,000,000 fortune to himself, while the mother of his four children gets less than 2%?

Fark family fortunes. We fought the revolutionary war to end the monarchy and hereditary rule. Now we have nearly half of all the wealth in the United States tied up in the hereditary estates of the wealthiest 1%. So we have idiots like Paris Hilton in charge of hundreds of millions of dollars now.
 
2013-01-14 01:56:15 AM  
That's a lot of beaver pelts!
 
2013-01-14 02:04:46 AM  

davidphogan: thisiszombocom: davidphogan: Any rich Farkettes want to marry me? I'm housebroken, and like long threads in the rain.

what are your thoughts on pina coladas?

They could be worse. They could be better as well. Like, if the rum were just mixed with root beer, or cola, or something that doesn't taste like crap, but I have no problem with them. They're better than a long walk in the rain, which I've done a lot in Portland. That's one stereotype about this city that's true.


hmm... i guess my obvious joke was not so obvious

Link
 
2013-01-14 02:05:14 AM  
How about just don't get married if you're wealthy. Renting is much less expensive.
 
2013-01-14 02:05:59 AM  

thisiszombocom: davidphogan: thisiszombocom: davidphogan: Any rich Farkettes want to marry me? I'm housebroken, and like long threads in the rain.

what are your thoughts on pina coladas?

They could be worse. They could be better as well. Like, if the rum were just mixed with root beer, or cola, or something that doesn't taste like crap, but I have no problem with them. They're better than a long walk in the rain, which I've done a lot in Portland. That's one stereotype about this city that's true.

hmm... i guess my obvious joke was not so obvious

Link


or maybe you did. i dunno. its late.

i go bed now
 
2013-01-14 02:07:04 AM  

Giltric: Mitrovarr: in all sincerity it is very difficult for 19-26 year-olds to survive with no parental assistance at all in the modern world

19-26 is the new newborn-18

Wow...just..wow.


Nobody's considering the fact that they might be in college.
 
2013-01-14 02:07:23 AM  

simkatu: silverjets: McCain family fortune was made by the family patriarch. Please explain how the wife of one of the sons contributed to the making of this fortune such that she should be entitled to such a HUGE monthly alimony payment?

I want to know what the son contributed to the making of this fortune such that he should be entitled to the entire $500,000,000 fortune to himself, while the mother of his four children gets less than 2%?

Fark family fortunes. We fought the revolutionary war to end the monarchy and hereditary rule. Now we have nearly half of all the wealth in the United States tied up in the hereditary estates of the wealthiest 1%. So we have idiots like Paris Hilton in charge of hundreds of millions of dollars now.


Paris Hilton is a bad example. Even her granddad saw how much of a whole she was and cut her from most of the family inheritance. That hundreds of millions that she's in charge with is actually her own money she's making from endorsements and appearances.

I know it's sad, but at least Paris Hilton is making her own damn money, unlike other trashy rich kids.
 
2013-01-14 02:10:21 AM  
$2600 a month on pilates? Are you farking kidding me?

Talk about a disconnect from reality.
 
2013-01-14 02:23:51 AM  

thisiszombocom: thisiszombocom: davidphogan: thisiszombocom: davidphogan: Any rich Farkettes want to marry me? I'm housebroken, and like long threads in the rain.

what are your thoughts on pina coladas?

They could be worse. They could be better as well. Like, if the rum were just mixed with root beer, or cola, or something that doesn't taste like crap, but I have no problem with them. They're better than a long walk in the rain, which I've done a lot in Portland. That's one stereotype about this city that's true.

hmm... i guess my obvious joke was not so obvious

Link

or maybe you did. i dunno. its late.

i go bed now


Heh. Buenos, amigo. I thought my rejoke was funny.
 
2013-01-14 02:54:30 AM  
It sounds like a lot... but its only $2 million a year. The guys got half a billion dollars.... I think he'll be OK.
 
2013-01-14 02:56:01 AM  

Mock26: $175,000 Canadian is like, what, $155.93 American?


$178,000. Or if you state it in terms of health care coverage, a few million.
 
2013-01-14 03:04:50 AM  
OH MY GOD YOU GUYS, that lady is on my PhD thesis committee! I had no idea she was so loaded.

/probably a different christy mccain
 
2013-01-14 03:07:07 AM  

FishyFred: ajgeek: Out of curiosity. If one party goes belly up, are they still obligated to pay full alimony, despite having a drastic lifestyle change themselves? Because right now it sounds like alimony is a winning lottery ticket for farking the right piece of meat and nothing else.

You have to go to the court and petition to have it changed. Chances are it will be granted. But a lot of people don't know that, so the poor schlub who loses his $15/hr job is stuck trying to keep up on child support payments of less than $1,000 per month and can't make it.


That and they are usually hostile at the child support office so they drag their feet. What? You got laid off and make minimum wage now? Tough beans. Pay.
 
2013-01-14 03:10:52 AM  
"Silvio Berlusconi has been told by a Milan court to pay nearly €100,000 a day in maintenance to his former actress wife..."
 
2013-01-14 03:43:59 AM  
All prenups are signed under duress, "Hey, if you don't sign the prenup we're not getting married." All contracts are signed under duress, "Hey, if you don't sign the contract we're not doing business with you." For a judge to over rule some contract that 2 parties have agreed to is unconscionable. I hope she gets over turned, impeached and disbarred.

thefabempire.com

DA biatch SET ME UP
 
mjg
2013-01-14 04:11:11 AM  
i.ytimg.com

That kid was always trouble.
 
2013-01-14 04:19:52 AM  
If it flies, floats, or farks, lease it.
 
2013-01-14 04:29:32 AM  
Now that gay marriage is becoming more common, I'm curious to see how the alimony laws will work for those divorces. One guy stays home with their adopted Asian baby, while the other goes to school to become a doctor. They get divorced 15 years later after the doctor has become an extremely successful plastic surgeon, with mansions, cars, a jet, the whole rich guy thing. Does the stay at home dad get $175,000 a month because he got used to it?
 
2013-01-14 04:51:49 AM  
Hey now, we can't afford to be milking that job creator out of 175k a month. That's just unconstitutional! Perhaps the T.E.A Party patriots can come to the defense of his right to not be fleeced

/ yeah, i suck at trolling, what of it?
 
2013-01-14 04:53:23 AM  
It's not even 1% of what he's worth.

It's literally pocket change.

175,000 a month for 10 years comes out to 21 million.

He's worth over a billion.

I'm sure he's crying into his other 980,000 million dollars.
 
2013-01-14 04:54:06 AM  
er 980 million.

or 980,000,000
 
2013-01-14 05:00:53 AM  

fluffy2097: It's not even 1% of what he's worth.

It's literally pocket change.

175,000 a month for 10 years comes out to 21 million.

He's worth over a billion.

I'm sure he's crying into his other 980,000 million dollars.


So could I ask Bill Gates for $200,000 a year? He wouldn't even miss it.

It's not a question of whether he can afford it, it's a question of does she deserve it.
 
2013-01-14 05:02:16 AM  

ng2810: The woman ITFA gave 30+ years to this guy!


Gave?
 
2013-01-14 05:41:21 AM  
She spends more per month on a personal trainer then many people make in a month.

Rich people problems.
 
2013-01-14 05:53:16 AM  
NewportBarGuy: "I've never understood the court's decision to side with the "style that you've grown accustomed" argument."

No kidding. Try losing your job and see if you can get unemployment insurance in the style I've grown accustomed to. Apparently, having a uterus and letting automatic biological processes take over for nine months deserves special treatment.
 
2013-01-14 06:08:28 AM  

Soupysales: So could I ask Bill Gates for $200,000 a year? He wouldn't even miss it.

It's not a question of whether he can afford it, it's a question of does she deserve it.


Have you been married to Bill Gates for 30 years? Were you forced to stay in that marriage because Bill forced you to sign an agreement that if you leave you'll be disowned and have nothing?

/you might have some standing then.
//No farking tears for a billionaire who can't manage his family life.
 
2013-01-14 06:38:21 AM  

fluffy2097: Soupysales: So could I ask Bill Gates for $200,000 a year? He wouldn't even miss it.

It's not a question of whether he can afford it, it's a question of does she deserve it.

Have you been married to Bill Gates for 30 years? Were you forced to stay in that marriage because Bill forced you to sign an agreement that if you leave you'll be disowned and have nothing?

/you might have some standing then.
//No farking tears for a billionaire who can't manage his family life.


The agreement she signed said that if a divorce happened she would get 7 million dollars and the family home. You don't think that that is fair?
 
2013-01-14 07:10:51 AM  

SecretAgentWoman: I married the wrong damn men.

I can't even get child support out of the losers, let alone alimony.

/not bitter
//ok, I'm bitter


Child support is overrated. My ex owes me about 20K, but it's worth not having to see her.
 
2013-01-14 07:15:03 AM  

ongbok: The agreement she signed said that if a divorce happened she would get 7 million dollars and the family home. You don't think that that is fair?


You mean that agreement that was ruled illegal and thrown out because it was manipulative as all hell?

No, I don't think that's fair.

You only think it's unfair because money has value to you. He's a billionaire. 21 million, even 50 million is chump change to him. It's nothing. Nothing at all.
 
2013-01-14 08:00:33 AM  
but women are equal, and don't need someone to pay for them to live on their own right? And they are smart enough that they know exactly what they were doing when they signed the pre-nup, right? They are also powerful enough they dont need to bench-shop for a female judge to hear their case, right?
 
2013-01-14 08:05:34 AM  
*reads article, makes jerking off motion*

Sucks to be him.
 
2013-01-14 08:14:56 AM  
Dave Foley had a discussion about his alimony/child support - something like 17K per month because they got divorced when he was on a weekly sitcom. Even though the show ended he is still liable for the same payments which he claims are 3x his current salary.
 
2013-01-14 08:15:30 AM  
I got out of alimony by threatening to burn down all of our investments to liquid assets for division.
BUT... she still get "child support" every month because she is allowed to choose to work part time.
She has a higher degree and higher earning potential than I do in a field with a LOT of openings, and the court jut lets her slide by on my tab because she likes working part time (for the children).
 
2013-01-14 08:15:43 AM  

SevenizGud: The solution is: don't get married. Don't knock any biatches up. If you are uber-loaded, then get fixed. Make sure nobody ever uses your address for any billing. Never have any joint accounts. Never hold yourself out as spouses. Leave a massive paper trail that demonstrates the relationship is not monogamous, that you have no intent for it to be permanent, and that you are not co-habitating.


Bonus: to make sure the paper trail will stand up, it helps to make sure the relationship is actually not monogamous.

Your post is in effect my approach to relationships. Oddly enough (coming from a mid-20's here, so the effects of Epic Partytime might still be switched on and this will change when the women in my "range" get older) it doesn't seem to bother the sort of people I want to have relations with at all.
 
2013-01-14 08:17:24 AM  
My ex was really shocked when the mediators told him how much he would be paying in child support and alimony. He had a very inexperienced lawyer who was a friend of the family. She had told him to expect half the amount he actually ended up paying. I use the money to care for our five children while I go to school. I wish I was able to support myself and the kids without his cash, but that isn't reality. He has a masters degree, and was the breadwinner. I had a high school diploma and was told many times in our marriage to quit my job or stay out of school because he wanted no part of child raising or household duties. One of the jobs I had during our marriage I really loved, and was hoping to advance in the company. He pushed me to quit after 8 months because he couldn't handle doing any of "my job" (watching the kids or laundry, ect.). I could have used the time we were married to further my education or build a career, but that would have involved support from him. With the alimony I can do it now and not have the kids suffer in the process. For me alimony wasn't a check to get him back, or make him pay. It is the opportunity be able to take care of myself. With a little bit of time, and school I will get there.
 
2013-01-14 08:25:00 AM  

7th Son of a 7th Son: Would've been cheaper just to kill her.


Wellllllll.... probably.

/doesn't condone murder
//but I've never been married either
 
2013-01-14 08:34:02 AM  

5monkeys: I had a high school diploma and was told many times in our marriage to quit my job or stay out of school because he wanted no part of child raising or household duties


This right here is what support payments are for.
 
2013-01-14 08:36:05 AM  
Argh, doubleposting

5monkeys: He pushed me to quit after 8 months because he couldn't handle doing any of "my job" (watching the kids or laundry, ect.).


But at the same time, wow. What a dillhole. Sounds like you got outta there about six kids too late.

/wasn't there
//easy to say now
 
2013-01-14 08:39:49 AM  

ongbok: fluffy2097: Soupysales: So could I ask Bill Gates for $200,000 a year? He wouldn't even miss it.

It's not a question of whether he can afford it, it's a question of does she deserve it.

Have you been married to Bill Gates for 30 years? Were you forced to stay in that marriage because Bill forced you to sign an agreement that if you leave you'll be disowned and have nothing?

/you might have some standing then.
//No farking tears for a billionaire who can't manage his family life.

The agreement she signed said that if a divorce happened she would get 7 million dollars and the family home. You don't think that that is fair?


The agreement was signed 16 years into a 30 year marriage and served to benefit him, and only him. Had she refused to sign it, he would have significantly less wealth - huge benefit to him, but what did she get out of it? The joy of seeing her (now ex-) husband inherit a lot of money? That doesn't sound like a contract that would hold up in court.

I really don't see why she should get less than half of the assets acquired during the course of the marriage (take their net worth, including salary and retirement, subtract his net worth in 1981, divide by two, and subtract off her assets and salary/retirement). If she gets less, why shouldn't he be paying her? She was an equal party to the marriage - if he didn't like that, he shouldn't have married her to begin with.

Of course, regardless of what happened here, everyone involved is still filthy rich. There's just no sympathy available for either party.
 
2013-01-14 08:42:52 AM  
Who's more pathetic, the dumbass dads and ex husbands who put themselves in a position to be hosed by an ex and a female judge, or the shiatty ex wives who use the courts to exact revenge and abuse the system and fabricate stories about the guys in order to do so?  How about we point and laugh at the judges who take out their own miserable lives failures on the man or woman who is in the sorry position of needing their services to begin with?

You all fail.  Of course, only your kids will show any lasting impacts from it.  But you all have their best interests at heart, don't you.
 
2013-01-14 08:52:21 AM  

Mitrovarr: Giltric: 19-26 is the new newborn-18

Wow...just..wow.

Yeah, well, if people don't like it, they can pay young people enough to live on, not require degrees for fields that blatantly don't need them, and don't make people run up a ton of debt for college if they do need it. It's not that today's 20-somethings don't want to be independent, but the deck is stacked against them in like a dozen different ways.


When did young people start believing they should make enough to live without room mates? I did what you described through college. It wasnt tough.
 
2013-01-14 08:53:05 AM  

ajgeek: Out of curiosity. If one party goes belly up, are they still obligated to pay full alimony, despite having a drastic lifestyle change themselves? Because right now it sounds like alimony is a winning lottery ticket for farking the right piece of meat and nothing else.


That's exactly how it is. I'm not even sure what basis judges use to award spousal welfare as there is no constitutional right to a comfortable lifestyle.
 
2013-01-14 08:53:12 AM  

Mitrovarr: Giltric: 19-26 is the new newborn-18

Wow...just..wow.

Yeah, well, if people don't like it, they can pay young people enough to live on, not require degrees for fields that blatantly don't need them, and don't make people run up a ton of debt for college if they do need it. It's not that today's 20-somethings don't want to be independent, but the deck is stacked against them in like a dozen different ways.


Oh. And what are your views on obamacare since it raised the price of insurance on the young?
 
2013-01-14 09:02:58 AM  
Fail for the man.

Do what some people do. Live in separate houses, never to live together again. And still be married. He'd have paid less.
 
2013-01-14 09:07:23 AM  

SecretAgentWoman: I married the wrong damn men.

I can't even get child support out of the losers, let alone alimony.

/not bitter
//ok, I'm bitter


Well I'm helping my biatch of an ex pay for her child, my stepson. Why? Cause I was there since he was born and he calls me daddy. But does she get a dime? No. fark her.

/Marries me, then wants to be "independent".
//Very Bitter
 
2013-01-14 09:29:28 AM  

eKonk: The agreement was signed 16 years into a 30 year marriage and served to benefit him, and only him. Had she refused to sign it, he would have significantly less wealth - huge benefit to him, but what did she get out of it? The joy of seeing her (now ex-) husband inherit a lot of money? That doesn't sound like a contract that would hold up in court.


Wow, SERIOUSLY? How did I miss that detail? (I know, I know, rtfa). Up until now I thought she'd signed this contract before getting married. You can't just pull money off the table once the game's already started. Disregard my last and all after hello.
 
2013-01-14 09:44:23 AM  

Flakeloaf: eKonk: The agreement was signed 16 years into a 30 year marriage and served to benefit him, and only him. Had she refused to sign it, he would have significantly less wealth - huge benefit to him, but what did she get out of it? The joy of seeing her (now ex-) husband inherit a lot of money? That doesn't sound like a contract that would hold up in court.

Wow, SERIOUSLY? How did I miss that detail? (I know, I know, rtfa). Up until now I thought she'd signed this contract before getting married. You can't just pull money off the table once the game's already started. Disregard my last and all after hello.


Yeah, generally judges frown upon post-nups, especially when pushed on the couple by a third party over a decade and a half into their marriage.

They were married for 30 years and she's getting two million a year from a family fortune/business worth 3.2 billion. As a percentage, she's not exactly being greedy.
 
2013-01-14 10:13:29 AM  
Paying spousal support sucks. Especially since it cancels out any child support I would have gotten for my underage daughter. The bastard pays 0.
 
2013-01-14 10:46:01 AM  
Yaay! Cash and prizes because she wanted out! Yaaay!
 
2013-01-14 11:31:09 AM  

MyRandomName: Oh. And what are your views on obamacare since it raised the price of insurance on the young?


Well, the bill introduced the option for parents to keep their kids on their insurance until they are much older, so it makes it a lot easier for parents to help their kids. If the parents don't want or aren't able to do this, it also introduced programs to help the disadvantaged buy insurance. If people in this age bracket can afford insurance, the greatly increased protection under the new laws should be worth the small increase in cost, since lifetime maximums and such are much higher now and a lot of sneaky exclusions are eliminated.

In any case almost any change is worthwhile, because as it is now most people in that age bracket either just don't have insurance, or their insurance is total crap. My student insurance previously had a lifetime max of 100k (now fixed to 2 million, although I'm not on it anymore). I'm pretty sure their cancer care plan was to throw some plastic down and hand you a revolver.
 
2013-01-14 12:05:45 PM  

Flakeloaf: Argh, doubleposting

5monkeys: He pushed me to quit after 8 months because he couldn't handle doing any of "my job" (watching the kids or laundry, ect.).

But at the same time, wow. What a dillhole. Sounds like you got outta there about six kids too late.

/wasn't there
//easy to say now


The court said the same thing as your Boobies. That support was there to help the family he was leaving become self sufficient, not to maintain a lifestyle.

This post is correct too. He was/is a dillhole who I stayed with way too long. I was 18 when we got married and too naive to see the red flags. I knew it was bad two kids in but tried my damndest to make it work. Then after years of his whoring around and alcohol abuse I drew a line in the sand. His exact words were " get a job, not only a job, a career. Make enough to take care of yourself and the kids. I don't want to be a husband or full time dad anymore. Maybe I can do this every other weekend." He didn't just mean weekend dad, he meant every other weekend with me too. I may have been stupid for staying married to him for all those years, but after that statement I was done. I lawyered up and filed for divorce. He truly believed he was going to move out, keep the girlfriend he had at that moment, and stay married to me while I worked and supported everything. Plus come a few times a month for sexytime with me. When I pointed out that I did not have the skills or education to do that he told me that it was not his problem.
 
2013-01-14 12:47:40 PM  
Ah, the marriage industry. It would behoove you to avoid being involved in it unless you have a uterus or a Juris Doctorate.
 
2013-01-14 12:49:55 PM  
I can take care of your problem permanently for one payment.
 
2013-01-14 01:23:39 PM  
After 30 years, she should be entitled to half of his assets, pre-nup be damned.
 
2013-01-14 01:29:02 PM  

mahkno: After 30 years, she should be entitled to half of his assets, pre-nup be damned.


It wasn't even a pre-nup. This was something forced on her after she was already married for 15 years.
 
2013-01-14 01:32:02 PM  
Ever wonder if it's a good idea to take a woman to have and to hold, to love, honor and cherish, and forsake all others, as a companion and a helpmate for all of your days, if the first thing you have to do is sit down with lawyers?
 
2013-01-14 02:09:14 PM  

Flakeloaf: It's not about what he's lost, it's about what she's unjustly gained.


Typical Conservative mindset.

/doesn't matter if I lose so long as the other guy doesn't win
 
2013-01-14 02:10:51 PM  
I don't have a problem with that, after all the judge only makes sure that the wealth trickles down, like the rich said it would
 
2013-01-14 02:11:32 PM  

SpaceyCat: Gig103: Wow, big surprise that a female judge would set aside contract law

Signing a contract under duress (the elder McCain threatened to disown his children if their spouses did not sign away their rights to spousal support and some business assets in exchange for a cash payout and some properties including the matrimonial home.) makes the contract invalid.


That is duress just as much as signing away your life on any contract. Don't believe me? Don't pay your mortgage for a while and see what a judge says when your kicked out on your arse without any support.
 
2013-01-14 02:49:37 PM  
The "duress" aspect of this hinges on the situation the wife was placed in - after a decade and a half of marriage, you are told that you either sign a document that means, should you get a divorce, you get much less than you would otherwise be entitled to, or you don't sign the document and your husband gets much less than he's been offered, which would likely cause a bit of a rift in the marriage. For her it was strictly lose-lose, and she made the choice that would most benefit her husband (and, in theory, her marriage).

Again, I'm not saying she was getting a raw deal no matter how this case was decided - she was either a millionaire with no apparent income (although interest/dividends are pretty much a guarantee) or a millionaire with a seven figure income. He was either going to be a millionaire with a seven (or more) figure income or a millionaire with a seven (or more) figure income. Neither one merits any degree of sympathy.
 
2013-01-14 02:57:57 PM  
Ah, every gold digger's dream.

I.E. EVERY WOMAN ON EARTH.
 
2013-01-14 03:35:05 PM  

5monkeys: Flakeloaf: Argh, doubleposting

5monkeys: He pushed me to quit after 8 months because he couldn't handle doing any of "my job" (watching the kids or laundry, ect.).

But at the same time, wow. What a dillhole. Sounds like you got outta there about six kids too late.

/wasn't there
//easy to say now

The court said the same thing as your Boobies. That support was there to help the family he was leaving become self sufficient, not to maintain a lifestyle.

This post is correct too. He was/is a dillhole who I stayed with way too long. I was 18 when we got married and too naive to see the red flags. I knew it was bad two kids in but tried my damndest to make it work. Then after years of his whoring around and alcohol abuse I drew a line in the sand. His exact words were " get a job, not only a job, a career. Make enough to take care of yourself and the kids. I don't want to be a husband or full time dad anymore. Maybe I can do this every other weekend." He didn't just mean weekend dad, he meant every other weekend with me too. I may have been stupid for staying married to him for all those years, but after that statement I was done. I lawyered up and filed for divorce. He truly believed he was going to move out, keep the girlfriend he had at that moment, and stay married to me while I worked and supported everything. Plus come a few times a month for sexytime with me. When I pointed out that I did not have the skills or education to do that he told me that it was not his problem.


Good on you for having the necessary parts to stand up and tell him to go fark his hat. A lot of women would've simply stood there and continued to take it because they couldn't stand wading through bad times to have good. I can't imagine what that's like.

/still not my business
 
2013-01-14 03:36:39 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Flakeloaf: It's not about what he's lost, it's about what she's unjustly gained.

Typical Conservative mindset.

/doesn't matter if I lose so long as the other guy doesn't win


Fairness doesn't have a colour. Nice strawman though.

/pot smokin liberal hippie
 
2013-01-14 06:09:10 PM  
World's tiniest violin for the billionaire.
 
2013-01-14 07:37:58 PM  

Flakeloaf: 5monkeys: Flakeloaf: Argh, doubleposting

5monkeys: He pushed me to quit after 8 months because he couldn't handle doing any of "my job" (watching the kids or laundry, ect.).

But at the same time, wow. What a dillhole. Sounds like you got outta there about six kids too late.

/wasn't there
//easy to say now

The court said the same thing as your Boobies. That support was there to help the family he was leaving become self sufficient, not to maintain a lifestyle.

This post is correct too. He was/is a dillhole who I stayed with way too long. I was 18 when we got married and too naive to see the red flags. I knew it was bad two kids in but tried my damndest to make it work. Then after years of his whoring around and alcohol abuse I drew a line in the sand. His exact words were " get a job, not only a job, a career. Make enough to take care of yourself and the kids. I don't want to be a husband or full time dad anymore. Maybe I can do this every other weekend." He didn't just mean weekend dad, he meant every other weekend with me too. I may have been stupid for staying married to him for all those years, but after that statement I was done. I lawyered up and filed for divorce. He truly believed he was going to move out, keep the girlfriend he had at that moment, and stay married to me while I worked and supported everything. Plus come a few times a month for sexytime with me. When I pointed out that I did not have the skills or education to do that he told me that it was not his problem.

Good on you for having the necessary parts to stand up and tell him to go fark his hat. A lot of women would've simply stood there and continued to take it because they couldn't stand wading through bad times to have good. I can't imagine what that's like.

/still not my business


Eh. To tell you the truth it hasn't been bad without him. It's way easier and we are all happier without him here. I don't get the bitter part of divorce. I went through a mild stage of it, then moved on. I wasn't happy with him, as most divorced couples aren't, but I am happy now. It ended because it should have. Why be bitter over that?
 
2013-01-14 08:04:06 PM  
They were married for 30 years. This isn't some young gold digger trying to take someone to the cleaners. The guy is getting off easy.
 
2013-01-15 12:14:30 AM  

SecretAgentWoman: I married the wrong damn men.

I can't even get child support out of the losers, let alone alimony.

/not bitter
//ok, I'm bitter


They don't know the term garnish wages in your state?

/paid out a lot
//ex wanted to cash out the last six months
///I let the state deal with it
///free man. I do pay the kids directly now if they need help
 
2013-01-15 12:21:33 AM  

Giltric: silverjets: Oh...female judge. Nevermind.

One of my workers sons went through court in relation to child support within the last year. He spent 12 years in the army and is currently going to school on the GI Bill.....woman judge claimed he should be making 80k since he is 30 some odd years old instead of the 20k he makes part time while in school and awarded child support based on the 80k amount.


Wow. That's farked up.

When my support started it was nearly half my wages. Half is the max out here. As my wages went up the support never did.

/paid support for around 17 years
 
2013-01-15 12:30:30 AM  

Flakeloaf: But if the money were put into a trust, as opposed to simply passed on to any children whose spouses agreed to sign the contract, it wouldn't matter if she divorced him and took half of what he owned because the trust fund doesn't belong to him.


Couldn't find a link but you can set up a trust fund for yourself. You control it as time goes by and when you die it goes to who you designate.
 
2013-01-15 12:55:42 AM  

5monkeys: Eh. To tell you the truth it hasn't been bad without him. It's way easier and we are all happier without him here. I don't get the bitter part of divorce. I went through a mild stage of it, then moved on. I wasn't happy with him, as most divorced couples aren't, but I am happy now. It ended because it should have. Why be bitter over that?


I am kinda still friends with my ex. We get along for short periods of time. She used to try her power trip in the beginning but that is long gone.

But don't put me in a car with her for a few hours. No judge would convict me for what happened.

But after all the years that have gone by, yeah. I'm glad she left.
 
2013-01-15 07:46:41 AM  

saturn badger: 5monkeys: Eh. To tell you the truth it hasn't been bad without him. It's way easier and we are all happier without him here. I don't get the bitter part of divorce. I went through a mild stage of it, then moved on. I wasn't happy with him, as most divorced couples aren't, but I am happy now. It ended because it should have. Why be bitter over that?

I am kinda still friends with my ex. We get along for short periods of time. She used to try her power trip in the beginning but that is long gone.

But don't put me in a car with her for a few hours. No judge would convict me for what happened.

But after all the years that have gone by, yeah. I'm glad she left.


I just had a mental image of what a car ride would be like with my ex. That is a scary thought!
 
2013-01-15 09:43:36 AM  

Soupysales: Now that gay marriage is becoming more common, I'm curious to see how the alimony laws will work for those divorces. One guy stays home with their adopted Asian baby, while the other goes to school to become a doctor. They get divorced 15 years later after the doctor has become an extremely successful plastic surgeon, with mansions, cars, a jet, the whole rich guy thing. Does the stay at home dad get $175,000 a month because he got used to it?


lolwut?
 
2013-01-16 02:28:48 AM  

elk-tamer: Mock26: $175,000 Canadian is like, what, $155.93 American?

$178,000. Or if you state it in terms of health care coverage, a few million.


Oops. I messed up by math. $175,000 Canadian actually, $15.59 American? Forgot to move the decimal over.
 
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