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2013-01-13 05:14:42 PM
Perhaps France can set a new precedent then, and realign that 75% tax to fall directly onto the gilded altars that the Bishops use every Sunday.
 
2013-01-13 06:15:27 PM
Who's going to protect the children from the Catholic Church?
 
2013-01-13 08:21:19 PM
"For the children?"

Really Catholic Church? I wouldnt be bringing up the subject of kids at all if I were you.
 
2013-01-13 08:26:27 PM
Same-sex marriage is recognized in 11 countries including Belgium, Portugal, the Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Norway and South Africa.

I love that the US is behind farking South Africa on this issue.
 
2013-01-13 08:59:56 PM
I'm still not sure why anyone would want to get married, gay or straight.
 
2013-01-13 09:06:40 PM

L.D. Ablo: I'm still not sure why anyone would want to get married, gay or straight.


Its a lot of fun when its the right person.
 
2013-01-13 10:01:38 PM
I don't care about gay marriage but I never understand how the divorce rate somehow legitimizes it
 
2013-01-13 10:02:14 PM
If the Roman Catholic Church continues to pretend like it's 1950, they can continue their slow painful decline into increasing irrelevancy.

Here's a tip: Focus on doing good stuff and less on political nonsense, chief. It's better for the soul and people notice.
 
2013-01-13 10:02:44 PM
It's always amusing when the Catholic Church expresses concern for the welfare of children.
 
2013-01-13 10:02:52 PM
Time to bring back the Cult of Reason.
 
2013-01-13 10:03:20 PM
FFS, the Vatican  has its own scientific branches that do legitimate research, how the  f**k can they not pick up a damn statistics report every so often?
 
2013-01-13 10:03:32 PM

MugzyBrown: I don't care about gay marriage but I never understand how the divorce rate somehow legitimizes it


The spiel says that Gay Marriage 'demeans' the sanctity of marriage.

Pointing out the high divorce rate is the most effective way of pointing out that marriage hasn't been sacred in a long time.
 
2013-01-13 10:03:35 PM

fusillade762: Same-sex marriage is recognized in 11 countries including Belgium, Portugal, the Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Norway and South Africa.

I love that the US is behind farking South Africa on this issue.


Its easier making a change in a relatively small country of 10million population than a large country of 300+ million.  Especially with our structure of government.
 
2013-01-13 10:03:50 PM

fusillade762: Same-sex marriage is recognized in 11 countries including Belgium, Portugal, the Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Norway and South Africa.

I love that the US is behind farking South Africa on this issue.


Between this and decriminalization of drug possession, the old country surprises me yet.
 
2013-01-13 10:03:57 PM
I get it, France.

bestofthe80s.files.wordpress.com

Never again.
 
2013-01-13 10:04:14 PM
I guess I assumed wrong when I thought that France was sexually liberal compared to the U.S.
 
2013-01-13 10:06:36 PM

kmmontandon: Who's going to protect the children from the Catholic Church?


Republican Congressmen?
 
2013-01-13 10:08:14 PM
Done in two.
 
2013-01-13 10:10:53 PM
Haven't we been trying to get the Catholic church to stop thinking about the children?
 
2013-01-13 10:10:59 PM
Desperate times call for desperate measures. News at 10.
 
2013-01-13 10:11:30 PM

kmmontandon: Who's going to protect the children from the Catholic Church?


We need to find a fine, upstanding woman of good moral character that's been proven in her willingness to fight for the sanctity of marriage.  And of course she must be a Christian, the more fundamentalist, the better.

How about Lisa Biron?
 
2013-01-13 10:15:42 PM
 
2013-01-13 10:15:44 PM
Wtf? Really, this is a source of outrage?
 
2013-01-13 10:16:08 PM
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2013-01-13 10:17:27 PM

KidneyStone: Wtf? Really, this is a source of outrage?


Ok, I read TFA
Really? This is a source of outrage? A bunch of people express their religious beliefs and it's time for outrage?

It's f*cking Catholics. Who takes them seriously?
 
2013-01-13 10:17:56 PM
Prejudice is bad enough, but I hate when people aren't honest about it and resort to Newspeak. "I'm not discriminating against gays, I'm just protecting traditional families."; "I'm not Islamophobic, I just don't want a mosque in our town."; etc.

At least a guy like Fred Phelps will tell you who he hates upfront.
 
2013-01-13 10:19:27 PM
POOP THREAD!
 
2013-01-13 10:19:49 PM

kmmontandon: Who's going to protect the children from the Catholic Church?


Aaaand we're pretty much done here.
 
2013-01-13 10:20:09 PM
Aaaaaaaah The French
 
2013-01-13 10:21:48 PM
Canada has had gay marriage for 7 years now. We're still doing alright.

My city went from having 2 bath houses to 1 in that time.

Correlation does not equal causation, I know, but it really makes that one anti-gay guy look silly.
 
2013-01-13 10:23:29 PM
Yes, because listening to rampant religious lunatics has always worked out great in the past.
 
2013-01-13 10:23:56 PM

KidneyStone: KidneyStone: Wtf? Really, this is a source of outrage?

Ok, I read TFA
Really? This is a source of outrage? A bunch of people express their religious beliefs and it's time for outrage?

It's f*cking Catholics. Who takes them seriously?


The article claims support for gay rights has been dropping because of these protests. When you let bigots go unchallenged, they gain ground.
 
2013-01-13 10:25:25 PM
Clearly gays getting married affects children.
 
2013-01-13 10:25:37 PM
Honestly, you think that the Catholics would be licking their chops over this, since troubled kids would be coming to them for help. Sounds like a great way to rape a bunch of fresh meat.

Also, since homosexual rape seems to be quite the fun activity for Catholics, it's kind of hypocritical to complain when people want to do homosexual things consensually.
 
2013-01-13 10:26:47 PM
If you call yourself a catholic, I openly think less of you. It's not bigotry when I judge you on the choices you make, and you choose to align yourself with horrible people with horrible beliefs. If you are a catholic, you suck.

Let me be clear. I support your right to believe whatever you want, but you need to understand that the only appropriate response to your beliefs is ridicule and derision. Fark off. Read a book.
 
2013-01-13 10:27:41 PM

kmmontandon: Who's going to protect the children from the Catholic Church?


Chevalier, Montage, Detente, Avant Garde, and Deja Vu.
Over there, Croissant, Souffle, Escargot, and Chocolate Mousse.

C'mon France. The term "Menage a trois" is world famous because of you, and you don't even have to speak French to know that one of you is going to do something gay.
 
2013-01-13 10:31:28 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Perhaps France can set a new precedent then, and realign that 75% tax to fall directly onto the gilded altars that the Bishops use every Sunday.


Would that be the gilded altars that were built before the existence of the current republic, or the ones built before France was a republic? When you never sell anything, or get it confiscated, you tend to accumulate a lot of goodies. Of course getting 10% of all the practicing Catholics' incomes in France doesn't hurt either, even if that guy in the Vatican is taking a cut.

I have held for some time now, at least here in the US, that legal unions of people are a civil matter and that they are separate from the sacred rite of marriage as defined by the Church, whether the Church is Catholic or of one of the many Protestant sects. It is entirely possible for someone to get married in holy matrimony within the Church and not have it recognized by the state simply because the proper paperwork wasn't turned in/signed off on. Conversely, a ship's captain can perform marriages in many locations--and having known a few, they were hardly holy men. A judge can pronounce people to be wed without having even gone to any church, temple, or mosque.

The bottom line is that if Bob and Fred want to get married in front of a judge and get it legally recognized as such, that should not be taken as offensive by church going types, any more than if an atheist puts up a Christmas tree. Believers are the only ones who can get married in the Church (or Synagog, etc.) and have it counted as a sacred rite in the eyes of God. No one is trying to mock you, honest.
 
2013-01-13 10:32:18 PM

skinink: I guess I assumed wrong when I thought that France was sexually liberal compared to the U.S.


Actually the US is one of the more liberal countries in terms of LGBT marriages..

S
 
2013-01-13 10:32:26 PM

gingerjet: fusillade762: Same-sex marriage is recognized in 11 countries including Belgium, Portugal, the Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Norway and South Africa.

I love that the US is behind farking South Africa on this issue.

Its easier making a change in a relatively small country of 10million population than a large country of 300+ million.  Especially with our structure of government.


I hope it's consensual.
 
2013-01-13 10:35:49 PM

skinink: I guess I assumed wrong when I thought that France was sexually liberal compared to the U.S.


France is, The Catholic Church not so much.
 
2013-01-13 10:37:44 PM
I agree with the Catholic Church on this one. Look at Sweden, for example. They legalized same-sex marriage and now the country is in shambles. Major cities like Stockholm and Malmö are nothing but piles of smoking ruins. Roving bands of gay vikings terrorized the countryside, descending on villages and raping the men folk. Famine and pestilence are rampant. The same is also true (except for the vikings, of course) of those states in America that have legalized it. They lie in ruins. Torn apart by the evil, horrid, homosexual monsters! In Maine women have ceased to give birth to straight babies anymore. They are all being born gay! And the worst part about all of this is that the homosexual jewish-controlled media is covering it all up! We must stand up to the homosexuals and tell them, "No way to gay!" If not, the world will fall into total ruin and every single straight man alive will be gay-raped, repeatedly, by Satan's monsters.

Lesbianism, however, is still OK.
 
2013-01-13 10:38:39 PM
This is what happens when you take God out of the church.
 
2013-01-13 10:39:16 PM

another cultural observer: gingerjet: fusillade762: Same-sex marriage is recognized in 11 countries including Belgium, Portugal, the Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Norway and South Africa.

I love that the US is behind farking South Africa on this issue.

Its easier making a change in a relatively small country of 10million population than a large country of 300+ million.  Especially with our structure of government.

I hope it's consensual.


The US is farking a lot of countries from behind. But they're not planning on marrying them, so its OK.
 
2013-01-13 10:42:27 PM
Protecting the children so the priests can rape and molest them.
 
2013-01-13 10:42:31 PM
i thought it was only the american catholic church that went after boys?

Mock26: gay vikings


that is an oxymoron, right?
 
2013-01-13 10:43:43 PM
Right now, marriage in France is restricted to heterosexual couples. However there is also a civil union (PACS) which is open to all couples, including same-sex couples, but with fewer rights (esp. regarding children).

The newly elected government wants to introduce same-sex marriage, and apparently some people have a problem with this.

How many people? Well, enough to put 300,000 to 800,000 people on the streets of Paris this afternoon.

Most of it seems to be driven by an ickiness about same-sex parenthood rather than the marriage itself. But yeah, the remnants of the Catholic electorate were also out in force.
 
2013-01-13 10:44:15 PM

Mock26: I agree with the Catholic Church on this one. Look at Sweden, for example. They legalized same-sex marriage and now the country is in shambles. Major cities like Stockholm and Malmö are nothing but piles of smoking ruins. Roving bands of gay vikings terrorized the countryside, descending on villages and raping the men folk. Famine and pestilence are rampant. The same is also true (except for the vikings, of course) of those states in America that have legalized it. They lie in ruins. Torn apart by the evil, horrid, homosexual monsters! In Maine women have ceased to give birth to straight babies anymore. They are all being born gay! And the worst part about all of this is that the homosexual jewish-controlled media is covering it all up! We must stand up to the homosexuals and tell them, "No way to gay!" If not, the world will fall into total ruin and every single straight man alive will be gay-raped, repeatedly, by Satan's monsters.

Lesbianism, however, is still OK.


What the fark, we don't get gay vikings in the US? fark that. fark it all.

Please tell me we at least roving gangs of lesbian Amazons. I need some hope here.
 
2013-01-13 10:45:48 PM

crazyeddie: If you call yourself a catholic, I openly think less of you. It's not bigotry when I judge you on the choices you make, and you choose to align yourself with horrible people with horrible beliefs. If you are a catholic, you suck.

Let me be clear. I support your right to believe whatever you want, but you need to understand that the only appropriate response to your beliefs is ridicule and derision. Fark off. Read a book.


Muslims and Hindus, too? Or is this one of those Deep South "Baptists are the only way to Christ, Catholics wear dresses" kind of hatreds?
 
2013-01-13 10:46:02 PM
And the divorce rate among pillow biters is what?
 
2013-01-13 10:46:20 PM

Alone in the Snark: Right now, marriage in France is restricted to heterosexual couples. However there is also a civil union (PACS) which is open to all couples, including same-sex couples, but with fewer rights (esp. regarding children).

The newly elected government wants to introduce same-sex marriage, and apparently some people have a problem with this.

How many people? Well, enough to put 300,000 to 800,000 people on the streets of Paris this afternoon.

Most of it seems to be driven by an ickiness about same-sex parenthood rather than the marriage itself. But yeah, the remnants of the Catholic electorate were also out in force.



god forbid a majority vote wins. thats the devil
 
2013-01-13 10:47:08 PM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: i thought it was only the american catholic church that went after boys?


Where on earth did you get that silly idea? The Catholic Church has been scarring children world-wide for quite some time now. Link
 
2013-01-13 10:48:26 PM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: Alone in the Snark: Right now, marriage in France is restricted to heterosexual couples. However there is also a civil union (PACS) which is open to all couples, including same-sex couples, but with fewer rights (esp. regarding children).

The newly elected government wants to introduce same-sex marriage, and apparently some people have a problem with this.

How many people? Well, enough to put 300,000 to 800,000 people on the streets of Paris this afternoon.

Most of it seems to be driven by an ickiness about same-sex parenthood rather than the marriage itself. But yeah, the remnants of the Catholic electorate were also out in force.


god forbid a majority vote wins. thats the devil


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Word.
 
2013-01-13 10:49:54 PM

crazyeddie: If you call yourself a catholic, I openly think less of you.


For all the maniacal hysteria that goes along with "save the children" I don't understand how people who aren't catholic but are religious don't give Catholics more animosity for the child rape stuff.
 
2013-01-13 10:53:23 PM
Who will protect France from the Catholic Church?
 
2013-01-13 10:55:16 PM

skinink: I guess I assumed wrong when I thought that France was sexually liberal compared to the U.S.


Oh, France has had the equivalent of a civil union, known as PACS, short for  pacte civil de solidarité, since November 1999, so they're even ahead of Vermont (December 1999). In addition, the country has had a strict separation of Church and State since 1905. That being said, there's still opposition, because the Catholic Church is still the majority religion, and Islam isn't exactly friendly towards gay marriage either.
 
2013-01-13 10:56:34 PM

Mock26: I agree with the Catholic Church on this one. Look at Sweden, for example. They legalized same-sex marriage and now the country is in shambles. Major cities like Stockholm and Malmö are nothing but piles of smoking ruins. Roving bands of gay vikings terrorized the countryside, descending on villages and raping the men folk. Famine and pestilence are rampant. The same is also true (except for the vikings, of course) of those states in America that have legalized it. They lie in ruins. Torn apart by the evil, horrid, homosexual monsters! In Maine women have ceased to give birth to straight babies anymore. They are all being born gay! And the worst part about all of this is that the homosexual jewish-controlled media is covering it all up! We must stand up to the homosexuals and tell them, "No way to gay!" If not, the world will fall into total ruin and every single straight man alive will be gay-raped, repeatedly, by Satan's monsters.

Lesbianism, however, is still OK.


They'll be coming for your children.

carlosdev.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-13 10:56:34 PM

L.D. Ablo: I'm still not sure why anyone would want to get married, gay or straight.


masochism
 
2013-01-13 10:57:38 PM
I'm surprised they could find a priest willing to take the little boy out of his mouth long enough to make a statement.
 
2013-01-13 11:00:06 PM
Subby?
photo.parismatch.com
 
2013-01-13 11:00:19 PM
If anyone should know how a child should be reared it's the Catholic Church.
 
2013-01-13 11:00:39 PM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: Alone in the Snark: Right now, marriage in France is restricted to heterosexual couples. However there is also a civil union (PACS) which is open to all couples, including same-sex couples, but with fewer rights (esp. regarding children).

The newly elected government wants to introduce same-sex marriage, and apparently some people have a problem with this.

How many people? Well, enough to put 300,000 to 800,000 people on the streets of Paris this afternoon.

Most of it seems to be driven by an ickiness about same-sex parenthood rather than the marriage itself. But yeah, the remnants of the Catholic electorate were also out in force.


god forbid a majority vote wins. thats the devil


1. The majority is in favor of legalizing gay marriage.

2. Even if they weren't, civil rights shouldn't be left to popular whim.
 
2013-01-13 11:04:49 PM

JesusJuice: I'm surprised they could find a priest willing to take the little boy out of his mouth long enough to make a statement.


You got it backwards. Remember the old saying? "Why does the Catholic Church oppose condoms? Because they keep getting stuck in the altar boys' braces."
 
2013-01-13 11:06:03 PM

JesusJuice: I'm surprised they could find a priest willing to take the little boy out of his mouth long enough to make a statement.


Hey hey hey!

Girls were molested too.
 
2013-01-13 11:06:25 PM

Alone in the Snark: Right now, marriage in France is restricted to heterosexual couples. However there is also a civil union (PACS) which is open to all couples, including same-sex couples, but with fewer rights (esp. regarding children).

The newly elected government wants to introduce same-sex marriage, and apparently some people have a problem with this.

How many people? Well, enough to put 300,000 to 800,000 people on the streets of Paris this afternoon.

Most of it seems to be driven by an ickiness about same-sex parenthood rather than the marriage itself. But yeah, the remnants of the Catholic electorate were also out in force.


That's a lot of bigots assembled together in one place. Do you think that if you kicked one hard enough you could get the whole lot of them to fall over like dominoes?
 
2013-01-13 11:07:49 PM

ModernLuddite: Canada has had gay marriage for 7 years now. We're still doing alright.


Not really. http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/graham1.html
 
2013-01-13 11:08:42 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: crazyeddie: If you call yourself a catholic, I openly think less of you.

For all the maniacal hysteria that goes along with "save the children" I don't understand how people who aren't catholic but are religious don't give Catholics more animosity for the child rape stuff.


Because it happens just as often in other religious belief systems. The entire pederast scandal was nothing new or unique to Catholicism.

The only difference being, most of those other ones don't have a two thousand year old multinational corporation to hide the offenders by moving them around the world away from authorities. Thats why such organizations rely so heavily on separating people from their societies outside of the organization. It creates a greater sense of shame to expose and remove the offenders than it does to allow someone to go to authorities. To allow an offender to be removed for such offenses removes the illusory infallibility of their little community, no matter how artificially it is created and maintained.

The Calvinists, Jews, Hindus and the Moslems all have the exact same issues with freaks in their ranks. It isn't necessarily the nature of power to corrupt, it is that power attracts the corruptible and the ones who seek out immunity from being held responsible for corruption.
 
2013-01-13 11:10:40 PM
If there's any excuse I'd like to see shot and buried, it's the "for the children" excuse. We restrict drugs "to protect the children" oppose gay marriage "for the children" but also abortion "for the children" and any time someone wants to limit anything it's always "but think of the children."

You're not thinking about the children. If you are, then tell me in 25 words or less why they're so threatened by whatever it is you're opposing in the first place.
 
2013-01-13 11:12:11 PM
You know, I was going to make some crack about how homosexual men are not pedophiles so the Catholic church doesn't need to be concerned about them being "competition" for young boys... But I just can't find a way to word it that doesn't sound insulting toward gay men.
 
2013-01-13 11:12:51 PM

L.D. Ablo: I'm still not sure why anyone would want to get married, gay or straight.


Just because you suck and can't find anyone to spend the rest of your life with doesn't mean that other people can't.
 
2013-01-13 11:14:07 PM

another cultural observer: Muslims and Hindus, too? Or is this one of those Deep South "Baptists are the only way to Christ, Catholics wear dresses" kind of hatreds?


I never understood this dim-witted rebuttal. Yes, Muslims and Hindus as well, but I'm not surrounded by people trying to pass Hindu impositions on my rights. Dumbass.

I judge each of your ideas on its merits. If you defend your socio-economic-political position with reasons and evidence, then I will evaluate those reasons and that evidence. If you believe that Muhammed flew up to heaven on a magic horse, you are stupid. If you believe in magical beasts who govern arbitrary realms of the physical world, you are willfully ignorant. This is not subtle.

Your religious beliefs can withstand exactly 0 (zero) scrutiny. That makes you a fool. Deal with it, and stomp whimpering behind the "b-b-b-but why u no pick on them too?!" defense.
 
2013-01-13 11:14:58 PM

Infernalist: If the Roman Catholic Church continues to pretend like it's 1950,1550 they can continue their slow painful decline into increasing irrelevancy.

Here's a tip: Focus on doing good stuff and less on political nonsense, chief. It's better for the soul and people notice.


Fixed that for ya.
 
2013-01-13 11:16:42 PM

Wayne 985: Prejudice is bad enough, but I hate when people aren't honest about it and resort to Newspeak. "I'm not discriminating against gays, I'm just protecting traditional families."; "I'm not Islamophobic, I just don't want a mosque in our town."; etc.

At least a guy like Fred Phelps will tell you who he hates upfront.


Yes, and what really gets me is when they take it one step farther and claim to be defending the very thing they're fighting AGAINST. In this case, with the slogan "Paternity, maternity, equality." Because now apparently "equality" is what you should claim to be defending when you're trying to deny other people civil rights.

If there really is a Hell with multiple circles as outlined in Dante's Inferno, I'm reasonably certain they've aleady been assigned to the eighth circle.
 
2013-01-13 11:17:31 PM
You kind of have to respect anyone that can suck a cuck cause I sure as hell couldn't. I mean how do you prepare yourself for something like that. Everyone of them has to take something out of you.


-Louis C.K.
 
2013-01-13 11:18:40 PM

Gyrfalcon: If there's any excuse I'd like to see shot and buried, it's the "for the children" excuse. We restrict drugs "to protect the children" oppose gay marriage "for the children" but also abortion "for the children" and any time someone wants to limit anything it's always "but think of the children."



I think you're right. I've noticed, over the past year or so, that any engine on Thomas & Friends who tries to do something "for the children" usually ends up causing some huge farkup and (presumable) significant financial loss for the railroad.
 
2013-01-13 11:21:53 PM
Alone in the Snark: Right now, marriage in France is restricted to heterosexual couples. However there is also a civil union (PACS) which is open to all couples, including same-sex couples, but with fewer rights (esp. regarding children).

The newly elected government wants to introduce same-sex marriage, and apparently some people have a problem with this.

How many people? Well, enough to put 300,000 to 800,000 people on the streets of Paris this afternoon.

Most of it seems to be driven by an ickiness about same-sex parenthood rather than the marriage itself. But yeah, the remnants of the Catholic electorate were also out in force.


What_Would_Jimi_Do: god forbid a majority vote wins. thats the devil



Go read up on the concept of the "tyranny of the majority" concept and then get back to us.
 
2013-01-13 11:23:14 PM
Only 40%? They're doing better than America.
 
2013-01-13 11:23:34 PM

ciberido: If there really is a Hell with multiple circles as outlined in Dante's Inferno, I'm reasonably certain they've aleady been assigned to the eighth circle.


Tenth Circle, Realm of Total Bastards.
 
2013-01-13 11:24:21 PM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: god forbid a majority vote wins. thats the devil


James Madison certainly thought so.
 
2013-01-13 11:25:17 PM

crazyeddie: another cultural observer: Muslims and Hindus, too? Or is this one of those Deep South "Baptists are the only way to Christ, Catholics wear dresses" kind of hatreds?

I never understood this dim-witted rebuttal. Yes, Muslims and Hindus as well, but I'm not surrounded by people trying to pass Hindu impositions on my rights. Dumbass.

I judge each of your ideas on its merits. If you defend your socio-economic-political position with reasons and evidence, then I will evaluate those reasons and that evidence. If you believe that Muhammed flew up to heaven on a magic horse, you are stupid. If you believe in magical beasts who govern arbitrary realms of the physical world, you are willfully ignorant. This is not subtle.

Your religious beliefs can withstand exactly 0 (zero) scrutiny. That makes you a fool. Deal with it, and stomp whimpering behind the "b-b-b-but why u no pick on them too?!" defense.


www.agileproductdesign.com

But by all means, don't let the fact that I never disagreed with you get in the way of you being a Reactionary.
 
2013-01-13 11:26:16 PM
another cultural observer: Muslims and Hindus, too? Or is this one of those Deep South "Baptists are the only way to Christ, Catholics wear dresses" kind of hatreds?

crazyeddie: I never understood this dim-witted rebuttal.


I'm sure that there are a lot of rebuttals you never understood, so I'll try to help out. The general idea is that a lot of people who say what you say are hypocritical.  I suspect another cultural observer was trying to figure out how much of a hypocrite you might be.
 
2013-01-13 11:26:37 PM

BigNumber12: Gyrfalcon: If there's any excuse I'd like to see shot and buried, it's the "for the children" excuse. We restrict drugs "to protect the children" oppose gay marriage "for the children" but also abortion "for the children" and any time someone wants to limit anything it's always "but think of the children."


I think you're right. I've noticed, over the past year or so, that any engine on Thomas & Friends who tries to do something "for the children" usually ends up causing some huge farkup and (presumable) significant financial loss for the railroad.


I take it you have several children under the age of four. My condolences.
 
2013-01-13 11:33:29 PM

Gyrfalcon: BigNumber12: Gyrfalcon: If there's any excuse I'd like to see shot and buried, it's the "for the children" excuse. We restrict drugs "to protect the children" oppose gay marriage "for the children" but also abortion "for the children" and any time someone wants to limit anything it's always "but think of the children."


I think you're right. I've noticed, over the past year or so, that any engine on Thomas & Friends who tries to do something "for the children" usually ends up causing some huge farkup and (presumable) significant financial loss for the railroad.

I take it you have several children under the age of four. My condolences.



No, just a huge fan of the convoluted plots and sophisticated dialogue. Also, I looooooove imperialism.
 
2013-01-13 11:35:25 PM
well lesbians have a divorce rate that is 150% higher than average
 
2013-01-13 11:38:08 PM

ciberido: another cultural observer: Muslims and Hindus, too? Or is this one of those Deep South "Baptists are the only way to Christ, Catholics wear dresses" kind of hatreds?

crazyeddie: I never understood this dim-witted rebuttal.

I'm sure that there are a lot of rebuttals you never understood, so I'll try to help out. The general idea is that a lot of people who say what you say are hypocritical.  I suspect another cultural observer was trying to figure out how much of a hypocrite you might be.


Thanks, Ciberido, but crazyeddie's right. The fact that I did not offer a wholehearted and unquestioning endorsement of his point apparently means that I disagree entirely, and am Catholic. This is a curious development, as I could have sworn I wasn't Catholic.

By Shiva, I learn something new every day.
 
2013-01-13 11:39:23 PM

another cultural observer: But by all means, don't let the fact that I never disagreed with you get in the way of you being a Reactionary.


Huh? It went down like this.

crazyeddie: Religious Beliefs are Bad.

another cultural observer: B-b-b-but what about Muslins and Pakis? I'm only asking because I'm concerned. So concerned.

crazyeddie: This is a stupid rebuttal to my claim. Yes, all religions.

another cultural observer: I have posted a meme picture because I never really disagreed with you. I was just concerned. So concerned.


If you, too, believe that religions (including Christianity) are crutches for weak and sad people, then posting a snarky concern question makes you a coward. Speak your mind about bad ideas, because if you don't, no one else will.

As it stands, you aren't helping. Also, try reading a person's user profile before posting.
 
2013-01-13 11:40:26 PM
Go catholic church! Good to see someone standing up for morality.
 
2013-01-13 11:42:44 PM

GF named my left testicle thundercles: well lesbians have a divorce rate that is 150% higher than average


If gay marriage isn't allowed, than any divorce is dividing by zero which creates an infinite divorce rate.  Thus, we should allow gays to marry in order to get the divorce rate down.
 
2013-01-13 11:45:13 PM

fusillade762: Same-sex marriage is recognized in 11 countries including Belgium, Portugal, the Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Norway and South Africa.

I love that the US is behind farking South Africa on this issue.


Last time I checked you can get homo-married in the USA.
 
2013-01-13 11:45:21 PM
Or, you could just ignore the gay / sex / marriage thing, just as you did all your priests buggering little boys, and when you found out, instead of fessing up, you just paid the victims off quietly and moved the priest to another area of the globe to rape more children. I guess it's ok to cover your own ass, but point to others and say they are wrong for their lifestyles. Apparently, child buggery is ok with the church, as long as nobody finds out or blows the whistle, but god..let's totally vilify a social class for it's legal acts of personal choice and law abiding love.

/you people are hypocritical money grubbing assholes, you have an unreal sense of self importance, and it's not only the sanctimonious derp you spew at the bowing and fawning "IMOTEP" chanters that you seem to hold sway over that makes me hate you, it's that you feel that you're SO right, you can judge everyone else with your draconian rules, while ignoring basic human rights yourself. Go suck a big dick pole, suck it long, suck it deep.
 
2013-01-13 11:47:31 PM

Infernalist: MugzyBrown: I don't care about gay marriage but I never understand how the divorce rate somehow legitimizes it

The spiel says that Gay Marriage 'demeans' the sanctity of marriage.

Pointing out the high divorce rate is the most effective way of pointing out that marriage hasn't been sacred in a long time.


Yeah, might as well demean it even more then, right? Nice logic.
 
2013-01-13 11:47:34 PM

gingerjet: fusillade762: Same-sex marriage is recognized in 11 countries including Belgium, Portugal, the Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Norway and South Africa.

I love that the US is behind farking South Africa on this issue.

Its easier making a change in a relatively small country of 10million population than a large country of 300+ million.  Especially with our structure of government.


if by 10 million you mean 52 million and by relatively small you mean 25th largest in the world, then you are correct.
 
2013-01-13 11:50:13 PM

ciberido:
I'm sure that there are a lot of rebuttals you never understood, so I'll try to help out. he's trying to figure out how much of a hypocrite you are.


I don't need help from the king (or should I say queen?) of all hypocrites: The Gay Christian. You are doing it wrong, pal. You either believe in the divinity of the man who was the son of himself, who hates the gays like you, or you don't. Yahweh was pretty clear on this.

For a someone who self-loathes as much as you do, I would think you'd be right at home in the catholic church.

For now, maybe you should sit the next few plays about 'hypocrites' out.
 
2013-01-13 11:51:33 PM

Mentat: GF named my left testicle thundercles: well lesbians have a divorce rate that is 150% higher than average

If gay marriage isn't allowed, than any divorce is dividing by zero which creates an infinite divorce rate.  Thus, we should allow gays to marry in order to get the divorce rate down.


cute, but countries and states that do allow same sex marriage have discovered a 150% higher divorce rate for lesbians. IIRC its above 80% at the ten year mark. gays are pretty normal with only a 50% higher than normal divorce rate (similar to being working class & men are better parents anyway) so id have no problem with them having kids.
 
2013-01-13 11:54:39 PM

Deathfrogg: Mock26: I agree with the Catholic Church on this one. Look at Sweden, for example. They legalized same-sex marriage and now the country is in shambles. Major cities like Stockholm and Malmö are nothing but piles of smoking ruins. Roving bands of gay vikings terrorized the countryside, descending on villages and raping the men folk. Famine and pestilence are rampant. The same is also true (except for the vikings, of course) of those states in America that have legalized it. They lie in ruins. Torn apart by the evil, horrid, homosexual monsters! In Maine women have ceased to give birth to straight babies anymore. They are all being born gay! And the worst part about all of this is that the homosexual jewish-controlled media is covering it all up! We must stand up to the homosexuals and tell them, "No way to gay!" If not, the world will fall into total ruin and every single straight man alive will be gay-raped, repeatedly, by Satan's monsters.

Lesbianism, however, is still OK.

They'll be coming for your children.

img.photobucket.com

Fixed the image for you.
 
2013-01-13 11:56:07 PM

crazyeddie: Also, try reading a person's user profile before posting.


.....says the crazy person!

:-D
 
2013-01-14 12:00:36 AM

Kommissar: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/graham1.html


Jesus, I didn't know Canada had Libertarians.

//Freedom != the freedom to be a dick to large segments of the population.
///If that's what you cherish above all else, you are fundamentally flawed as a human being.
 
2013-01-14 12:01:53 AM

quickdraw: "For the children?"

Really Catholic Church? I wouldnt be bringing up the subject of kids at all if I were you.


Catholic Church: Do as we say, not as we diddle.
 
2013-01-14 12:04:29 AM

GF named my left testicle thundercles: Mentat: GF named my left testicle thundercles: well lesbians have a divorce rate that is 150% higher than average

If gay marriage isn't allowed, than any divorce is dividing by zero which creates an infinite divorce rate.  Thus, we should allow gays to marry in order to get the divorce rate down.

cute, but countries and states that do allow same sex marriage have discovered a 150% higher divorce rate for lesbians. IIRC its above 80% at the ten year mark. gays are pretty normal with only a 50% higher than normal divorce rate (similar to being working class & men are better parents anyway) so id have no problem with them having kids.


Interesting. From what I understand women are the initiators of most divorces. Put two women together and that 150% rate doesnt suprise me. For two men, well, hmm.
 
2013-01-14 12:04:56 AM

Mock26:
They'll be coming for your children.

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Fixed the image for you.


Thank you Mock. I have no skilz.
 
2013-01-14 12:06:30 AM

crazyeddie: another cultural observer: But by all means, don't let the fact that I never disagreed with you get in the way of you being a Reactionary.

Huh? It went down like this.
crazyeddie: Religious Beliefs are Bad.
another cultural observer: B-b-b-but what about Muslins and Pakis? I'm only asking because I'm concerned. So concerned.
crazyeddie: This is a stupid rebuttal to my claim. Yes, all religions.
another cultural observer: I have posted a meme picture because I never really disagreed with you. I was just concerned. So concerned.

If you, too, believe that religions (including Christianity) are crutches for weak and sad people, then posting a snarky concern question makes you a coward. Speak your mind about bad ideas, because if you don't, no one else will.

As it stands, you aren't helping. Also, try reading a person's user profile before posting.


You're a twat.
 
2013-01-14 12:19:08 AM
This thread is now about gay Vikings.
 
2013-01-14 12:23:11 AM

giftedmadness: crazyeddie: another cultural observer: But by all means, don't let the fact that I never disagreed with you get in the way of you being a Reactionary.

Huh? It went down like this.
crazyeddie: Religious Beliefs are Bad.
another cultural observer: B-b-b-but what about Muslins and Pakis? I'm only asking because I'm concerned. So concerned.
crazyeddie: This is a stupid rebuttal to my claim. Yes, all religions.
another cultural observer: I have posted a meme picture because I never really disagreed with you. I was just concerned. So concerned.

If you, too, believe that religions (including Christianity) are crutches for weak and sad people, then posting a snarky concern question makes you a coward. Speak your mind about bad ideas, because if you don't, no one else will.

As it stands, you aren't helping. Also, try reading a person's user profile before posting.

You're a twat.


img9.joyreactor.com
 
2013-01-14 12:24:02 AM

Mock26: Deathfrogg: Mock26: I agree with the Catholic Church on this one. Look at Sweden, for example. They legalized same-sex marriage and now the country is in shambles. Major cities like Stockholm and Malmö are nothing but piles of smoking ruins. Roving bands of gay vikings terrorized the countryside, descending on villages and raping the men folk. Famine and pestilence are rampant. The same is also true (except for the vikings, of course) of those states in America that have legalized it. They lie in ruins. Torn apart by the evil, horrid, homosexual monsters! In Maine women have ceased to give birth to straight babies anymore. They are all being born gay! And the worst part about all of this is that the homosexual jewish-controlled media is covering it all up! We must stand up to the homosexuals and tell them, "No way to gay!" If not, the world will fall into total ruin and every single straight man alive will be gay-raped, repeatedly, by Satan's monsters.

Lesbianism, however, is still OK.

They'll be coming for your children.

[img.photobucket.com image 500x335]
Fixed the image for you.


OK, that's awesome and also fabulous.
 
2013-01-14 12:34:27 AM

tjfly: giftedmadness: crazyeddie: another cultural observer: But by all means, don't let the fact that I never disagreed with you get in the way of you being a Reactionary.

Huh? It went down like this.
crazyeddie: Religious Beliefs are Bad.
another cultural observer: B-b-b-but what about Muslins and Pakis? I'm only asking because I'm concerned. So concerned.
crazyeddie: This is a stupid rebuttal to my claim. Yes, all religions.
another cultural observer: I have posted a meme picture because I never really disagreed with you. I was just concerned. So concerned.

If you, too, believe that religions (including Christianity) are crutches for weak and sad people, then posting a snarky concern question makes you a coward. Speak your mind about bad ideas, because if you don't, no one else will.

As it stands, you aren't helping. Also, try reading a person's user profile before posting.

You're a twat.

[img9.joyreactor.com image 492x589]


I'm on a iPad, no time for lengthy debates....
 
2013-01-14 12:39:50 AM

Kommissar: lewrockwell.com


You know how I know you're an idiot? Let's take a look at some of the other article headlines on that site, shall we?

"Gun Registration Is as Bad as Seizure"
"Trying To Make You a Zombie" - Jon Rappoport on Soviet psychiatry in America.
"5 Reasons I'll Never Get a Flu Shot"
"Nullify Gun Control and Jail the Feds"

Yeah, seems reasonable.
 
2013-01-14 12:41:57 AM

crazyeddie: If you, too, believe that religions (including Christianity) are crutches for weak and sad people, then posting a snarky concern question makes you a coward. Speak your mind about bad ideas, because if you don't, no one else will.


You know, I have you marked as an Objectivist. If this is in error, please let me know.
 
2013-01-14 12:42:34 AM

Spaced Lion: This thread is now about gay Vikings.


Gay Vikings are the biggest threat to our way of life these days! Well, either that or the Gay Steamroller. Either way we are doomed!
 
2013-01-14 12:57:24 AM

quickdraw: L.D. Ablo: I'm still not sure why anyone would want to get married, gay or straight.

Its a lot of fun when its the right person.


Until the "right person" becomes someone very different 10 years later.
/it sucks
//kill me now
 
2013-01-14 01:05:27 AM

kmmontandon: Who's going to protect the children from the Catholic Church?


Came for the children, leaving satisfied....

... just like the clergy.
 
2013-01-14 01:46:08 AM
Why would someone get married?

Well, if they're from another country, so they can access immigration laws.
Or if one of them is in the hospital you can take decisitions based on their care
Or if they die then the state or your partner family won't swoop in and take joint stuff or tax the hell out of it (USA vs Windsor - clicky)

Also, "Children will be hurt, they need a mother and a father!" Yea, that's why we don't allow single parents to raise children, we take them from them.

Fark the church
 
2013-01-14 01:52:50 AM

L.D. Ablo: I'm still not sure why anyone would want to get married, gay or straight.


Legal benefits. Which is at the crux of gay marriage's argument: As long as there are legal benefits to marriage, denying marriage on the basis of gender is discriminatory under both the 14th amendment and at least one of the Equal Rights Acts.
 
2013-01-14 01:58:06 AM

Mock26: Spaced Lion: This thread is now about gay Vikings.

Gay Vikings are the biggest threat to our way of life these days! Well, either that or the Gay Steamroller. Either way we are doomed!


I'd say the Gay Steamroller poses a bigger threat. It only has to stop to refuel on the crushed hopes and dreams of straight, white evangelicals. Gay vikings, on the other hand, tend to take a few days off between raids because they get too Thor.

/Rimshot
 
2013-01-14 02:16:41 AM

maq0r: Why would someone get married?

Well, if they're from another country, so they can access immigration laws.
Or if one of them is in the hospital you can take decisitions based on their care
Or if they die then the state or your partner family won't swoop in and take joint stuff or tax the hell out of it (USA vs Windsor - clicky)

Also, "Children will be hurt, they need a mother and a father!" Yea, that's why we don't allow single parents to raise children, we take them from them.

Fark the church


Just because something is morally better than the alternative doesn't mean we should make the alternative illegal. Children do much better with a mother and father.
 
2013-01-14 02:23:26 AM
Remember it is better for a child if a dude and a chick come together, bump uglies, get shotgun married, live unhappily for 10 years and then get divorced rather than having a child live in a family with two loving parents of the same gender.
 
2013-01-14 02:33:11 AM
Given all of the child rape by the so-called-progressives in public schools and on Sesame St., they are the last one's who should be feigning concern for children.
 
2013-01-14 02:57:33 AM

david_gaithersburg: Given all of the child rape by the so-called-progressives in public schools and on Sesame St., they are the last one's who should be feigning concern for children.


Which progressives are these that are expressing concern for children? You make no sense.
 
2013-01-14 03:21:49 AM

Spaced Lion: This thread is now about gay Vikings.


NSFW

Serious Rugbyjock stuff.
 
2013-01-14 03:41:19 AM

crazyeddie: another cultural observer: But by all means, don't let the fact that I never disagreed with you get in the way of you being a Reactionary.

Huh? It went down like this.
crazyeddie: Religious Beliefs are Bad.
another cultural observer: B-b-b-but what about Muslins and Pakis? I'm only asking because I'm concerned. So concerned.
crazyeddie: This is a stupid rebuttal to my claim. Yes, all religions.
another cultural observer: I have posted a meme picture because I never really disagreed with you. I was just concerned. So concerned.

If you, too, believe that religions (including Christianity) are crutches for weak and sad people, then posting a snarky concern question makes you a coward. Speak your mind about bad ideas, because if you don't, no one else will.

As it stands, you aren't helping. Also, try reading a person's user profile before posting.


I just read your profile, and I'd hate to be cornered by you at a party.
 
2013-01-14 03:47:11 AM
Well, the song says "There's a place in France / where the naked ladies dance", so sorry guys.

/don't know what it has to do with this, just wanted to use the song
//"where the women wear no pants" is also acceptable
 
2013-01-14 03:47:17 AM
The Catholic Church should be stopped to protect the children.
 
2013-01-14 04:17:12 AM
The catholic church is amping up to 11 on the histrionics over gay marriage. In the UK they wrote some open letter claiming that thousands of jobs were at risk if gay marriage was allowed. Their demented argument went that strict adherents to the catholic faith would be forced, FORCED to discriminate against teh gay and therefore would be sacked from their jobs for discrimination. So you see gay marriage is really religious persecution, at least for religious nuts.
 
2013-01-14 04:42:42 AM

david_gaithersburg: Given all of the child rape by the so-called-progressives in public schools and on Sesame St., they are the last one's who should be feigning concern for children.


Are you tired?  You sound tired.

Mean ol' grumpy tired "conservative"   :(
 
2013-01-14 05:51:06 AM

Farktastic: Honestly, you think that the Catholics would be licking their chops over this, since troubled kids would be coming to them for help. Sounds like a great way to rape a bunch of fresh meat.

Also, since homosexual rape seems to be quite the fun activity for Catholics, it's kind of hypocritical to complain when people want to do homosexual things consensually.


I wonder if the Catholic Church, having trouble recruiting new priests, doesn't want to lose any more of them because they want to marry the altar boy they have been raping for years, hence their support for banning gay marriage for other religions.

/Always surprises me when religions want the government to legislate what all religions can and can't do - it seems like it opens a dangerous precedent that could come back to haunt them later, and they have control of what their own religion does or doesn't do anyway
 
2013-01-14 06:44:29 AM

quickdraw: L.D. Ablo: I'm still not sure why anyone would want to get married, gay or straight.

Its a lot of fun when its the right person.


This. I didn't get married until 40 because biatches be crazy.
 
2013-01-14 06:49:31 AM

MugzyBrown: I don't care about gay marriage but I never understand how the divorce rate somehow legitimizes it


Because the reasons against it are ALWAYS some kind of moral posturing. Meanwhile they don't take care to preserve the "sanctity" of marriage on other fronts. Then you have a long history of priests buggering kids and protecting these scumbags from prosecution knowing full well what happened. It's called hypocracy.
 
2013-01-14 07:15:02 AM

giftedmadness: Infernalist: MugzyBrown: I don't care about gay marriage but I never understand how the divorce rate somehow legitimizes it

The spiel says that Gay Marriage 'demeans' the sanctity of marriage.

Pointing out the high divorce rate is the most effective way of pointing out that marriage hasn't been sacred in a long time.

Yeah, might as well demean it even more then, right? Nice logic.


That statement reminds me of a little kid who never plays with one of his toys but will freak the fark out if anyone else tries to.
 
2013-01-14 07:22:14 AM
I support gay marriage - but this is such a straw-man argument.

The catholic church doesn't support gay marriage - but it also doesn't support divorce. Given it's choice, the church would see both made illegal. It took a lot of people pushing against the church to make getting divorced as 'easy' as it is (but in most countries it's still really hard).
 
2013-01-14 07:25:11 AM
And, I'm sure the Catholic church would cite lowered attendance at church, less family values, and less religion in our daily lives as the reason for high divorce rates. So, nothing about the current divorce rate for straight couples speaks to the impact of allowing gay marriage.

The church feels it will 'devalue' marriage. That doesn't mean marriage is perfect.
 
2013-01-14 08:00:47 AM
fusillade762

Same-sex marriage is recognized in 11 countries including Belgium, Portugal, the Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Norway and South Africa.

I love that the US is behind farking South Africa on this issue.



As are 95% of the rest of the countries in the world.
 
2013-01-14 08:07:18 AM
Infernalist



If the Roman Catholic Church continues to pretend like it's 1950, they can continue their slow painful decline into increasing irrelevancy.




Really you have some evidence to back that up because thats not what I see.

As the white Europeans with their protestant religions continue to have a birth rate that doesn't replace the population, the Hispanics with their Catholic religions continue to have 4 and 5 kids per family and are becoming the dominant "Raza" in many portions of the country.

Thats why the pope focuses a lot of his trips and work in Latin American countries.
 
2013-01-14 08:24:06 AM
Yeah, the Viking thing is hot and all and who isn't up for some "pillage the village" action but I spent too much time and money antiquing to get want to actually get plundered.
 
2013-01-14 08:26:11 AM

wellreadneck: Yeah, the Viking thing is hot and all and who isn't up for some "pillage the village" action but I spent too much time and money antiquing to want to actually get plundered.


FTFM
Flustered myself with that "pillage the village" stuff
 
2013-01-14 09:34:56 AM
The children spawned from consuming a gay marriage?

/didn't read the article
 
2013-01-14 09:37:01 AM

James F. Campbell: You know, I have you marked as an Objectivist. If this is in error, please let me know.


I self identify as 'Atheist.' I am a political anti-theist. Ethically, I'd say that Objectivist is fair. Hope that helps.
 
2013-01-14 09:50:55 AM
Of the 40% that end in divorce, what percentage attend church every week?

/don't know the answer but I bet it is very low
 
2013-01-14 10:24:45 AM

L.D. Ablo: I'm still not sure why anyone would want to get married, gay or straight.


Her parents are crazy stupid and I'm not letting them be in charge if she's unconscious or can't talk.

Same goes for my family.
 
2013-01-14 11:10:42 AM

Bullseyed: Of the 40% that end in divorce, what percentage attend church every week?

/don't know the answer but I bet it is very low


Actually...

Percentage of various religious groups who have been divorced:
Jews: 30%
Born-again Christians: 27%
Other Christians: 24%
Atheists, Agnostics: 21%

Data not easily available for Catholics because they tend to not report divorces.

Source
 
2013-01-14 11:28:13 AM
How about we start protecting the children from the real threat, the Catholic Church.
 
2013-01-14 11:46:13 AM

illegal.tender: Bullseyed: Of the 40% that end in divorce, what percentage attend church every week?

/don't know the answer but I bet it is very low

Actually...

Percentage of various religious groups who have been divorced:
Jews: 30%
Born-again Christians: 27%
Other Christians: 24%
Atheists, Agnostics: 21%

Data not easily available for Catholics because they tend to not report divorces.

Source


Couldn't really tell for sure - but it sounds like they just asked the people, 'Okay, what religion are you'. Lots of people self-identify with being a particular religion but don't actively attend religious services or even really attempt to follow the religious doctrines of their faith.
 
2013-01-14 12:23:39 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Couldn't really tell for sure - but it sounds like they just asked the people, 'Okay, what religion are you'. Lots of people self-identify with being a particular religion but don't actively attend religious services or even really attempt to follow the religious doctrines of their faith.


He provided a source that refuted Bullseyed's implication that non-religious people have a higher divorce rate. You are now complaining that the religious affiliations in the survey data are based on how people self-identify. Were you expecting a panel of religious experts who said 'Oh sure, you call yourself a Methodist, but we saw you contravening some doctrines from Corinthians II?" or tickmarks from the pews?

I really don't undertsand people like you. Actually, yes I do---You only accept evidence that supports your preconceptions. You can go ahead and keep those blinders on and ignore his and my comments.
 
2013-01-14 12:23:47 PM
The Catholic Church could try to "protect the children" a little more effectively by revising itself too, you know.
 
2013-01-14 12:25:46 PM

crazyeddie: I never understood this dim-witted rebuttal. Yes, Muslims and Hindus as well, but I'm not surrounded by people trying to pass Hindu impositions on my rights. Dumbass.

I judge each of your ideas on its merits. If you defend your socio-economic-political position with reasons and evidence, then I will evaluate those reasons and that evidence. If you believe that Muhammed flew up to heaven on a magic horse, you are stupid. If you believe in magical beasts who govern arbitrary realms of the physical world, you are willfully ignorant. This is not subtle.

Your religious beliefs can withstand exactly 0 (zero) scrutiny. That makes you a fool. Deal with it, and stomp whimpering behind the "b-b-b-but why u no pick on them too?!" defense.



You seem to have some delusion that anyone cares about your opinion of them. If anything your spiel about justifying beliefs makes you sound like the kind of high maintenance asshole that's best avoided in real life.
 
2013-01-14 12:27:55 PM

MugzyBrown: I don't care about gay marriage but I never understand how the divorce rate somehow legitimizes it


Oh. It's because many folks claim that gay marriage would ruin the "sanctity of marriage" and render heterosexual marriages cheaper or less meaningful somehow. The response to this is usually to point out that heterosexual marriages already fail miserably about half the time, so there is no sanctity to begin with.
 
2013-01-14 12:40:05 PM

fusillade762: david_gaithersburg: Given all of the child rape by the so-called-progressives in public schools and on Sesame St., they are the last one's who should be feigning concern for children.

Which progressives are these that are expressing concern for children? You make no sense.


Looks like David's gone off his meds again.
 
2013-01-14 12:46:58 PM

LDM90: crazyeddie: another cultural observer: But by all means, don't let the fact that I never disagreed with you get in the way of you being a Reactionary.

Huh? It went down like this.
crazyeddie: Religious Beliefs are Bad.
another cultural observer: B-b-b-but what about Muslins and Pakis? I'm only asking because I'm concerned. So concerned.
crazyeddie: This is a stupid rebuttal to my claim. Yes, all religions.
another cultural observer: I have posted a meme picture because I never really disagreed with you. I was just concerned. So concerned.

If you, too, believe that religions (including Christianity) are crutches for weak and sad people, then posting a snarky concern question makes you a coward. Speak your mind about bad ideas, because if you don't, no one else will.

As it stands, you aren't helping. Also, try reading a person's user profile before posting.

I just read your profile, and I'd hate to be cornered by you at a party.



The biggest warning sign that you're dealing with someone you'd be much better off staying away from is not when that person becomes belligerent, nasty, arrogant, or insulting. That's half the people on Fark. More than half, on a bad day.

The biggest warning sign is when the person congratulates himself for being an asshat. Once they start bragging about how they alone are "brave enough" to "tell it like it is" and people who aren't raging snotpimples are "cowards," that's when you need to make some excuse and back away.

And if they pull out the "if I'm not brave enough to spew bile like a firehose, no one else will" line, then run.
 
2013-01-14 12:49:04 PM

EbolaNYC: giftedmadness: Infernalist: MugzyBrown: I don't care about gay marriage but I never understand how the divorce rate somehow legitimizes it

The spiel says that Gay Marriage 'demeans' the sanctity of marriage.

Pointing out the high divorce rate is the most effective way of pointing out that marriage hasn't been sacred in a long time.

Yeah, might as well demean it even more then, right? Nice logic.

That statement reminds me of a little kid who never plays with one of his toys but will freak the fark out if anyone else tries to.



He hates both women and gay men. I'm pretty sure that he is the only one who ever plays with his toy.
 
2013-01-14 01:45:45 PM

giftedmadness: maq0r: Why would someone get married?

Well, if they're from another country, so they can access immigration laws.
Or if one of them is in the hospital you can take decisitions based on their care
Or if they die then the state or your partner family won't swoop in and take joint stuff or tax the hell out of it (USA vs Windsor - clicky)

Also, "Children will be hurt, they need a mother and a father!" Yea, that's why we don't allow single parents to raise children, we take them from them.

Fark the church

Just because something is morally better than the alternative doesn't mean we should make the alternative illegal. Children do much better with a mother and father.


Children do well with parents/people who love them.

Whether it's a mom and a dad, or two moms or two dads they're going to fare good/better as long as they're loving, caring and supportive.
 
2013-01-14 02:20:54 PM

maq0r: Why would someone get married?

Well, if they're from another country, so they can access immigration laws.
Or if one of them is in the hospital you can take decisitions based on their care
Or if they die then the state or your partner family won't swoop in and take joint stuff or tax the hell out of it (USA vs Windsor - clicky)

Also, "Children will be hurt, they need a mother and a father!" Yea, that's why we don't allow single parents to raise children, we take them from them.

Fark the church


Fark the church because they don't bother with any thinking. Children don't need a mother and father to turn out well, they need two parents in a relationship. Two men, two women, a man and a woman, all turn out the same.
 
2013-01-14 03:18:51 PM

crazyeddie: Ethically, I'd say that Objectivist is fair.


crazyeddie: I judge each of your ideas on its merits. If you defend your socio-economic-political position with reasons and evidence, then I will evaluate those reasons and that evidence.


The irony, she staggers.
 
2013-01-14 03:29:52 PM

chatikh: maq0r: Why would someone get married?

Well, if they're from another country, so they can access immigration laws.
Or if one of them is in the hospital you can take decisitions based on their care
Or if they die then the state or your partner family won't swoop in and take joint stuff or tax the hell out of it (USA vs Windsor - clicky)

Also, "Children will be hurt, they need a mother and a father!" Yea, that's why we don't allow single parents to raise children, we take them from them.

Fark the church

Fark the church because they don't bother with any thinking. Children don't need a mother and father to turn out well, they need two parents in a relationship. Two men, two women, a man and a woman, all turn out the same.


Pretty much, you just need to outnumber the kids.
Teach Your Children Well
 
2013-01-14 03:59:17 PM
50% Catholic's vote Obama, Catholicism is just a club nothing more...
 
2013-01-14 04:08:33 PM

IlGreven: L.D. Ablo: I'm still not sure why anyone would want to get married, gay or straight.

Legal benefits. Which is at the crux of gay marriage's argument: As long as there are legal benefits to marriage, denying marriage on the basis of gender is discriminatory under both the 14th amendment and at least one of the Equal Rights Acts.


I think you hit upon one of the tough issues to work out in this debate...sex or gender. No gay man is being denied the ability to marry a woman. It isn't discriminatory on the basis of sex (actual plumbing). It is discriminatory on the basis of gender, but the law isn't worded that way nor the "definition" of marriage.

I am with you, but some words/definitions will have to be changed before it is discriminatory.
 
2013-01-14 04:16:44 PM

Hyjamon: IlGreven: L.D. Ablo: I'm still not sure why anyone would want to get married, gay or straight.

Legal benefits. Which is at the crux of gay marriage's argument: As long as there are legal benefits to marriage, denying marriage on the basis of gender is discriminatory under both the 14th amendment and at least one of the Equal Rights Acts.

I think you hit upon one of the tough issues to work out in this debate...sex or gender. No gay man is being denied the ability to marry a woman. It isn't discriminatory on the basis of sex (actual plumbing). It is discriminatory on the basis of gender, but the law isn't worded that way nor the "definition" of marriage.

I am with you, but some words/definitions will have to be changed before it is discriminatory.


It's discrimination because they're not allowed to marry who they want based on their physical being. "You can marry whoever you want, as long as they're not the same sex as you". Sounds eerily like "You can marry whoever you want, as long as they're the same skin color as you", doesn't it?
 
2013-01-14 05:44:49 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Hyjamon: IlGreven: L.D. Ablo: I'm still not sure why anyone would want to get married, gay or straight.

Legal benefits. Which is at the crux of gay marriage's argument: As long as there are legal benefits to marriage, denying marriage on the basis of gender is discriminatory under both the 14th amendment and at least one of the Equal Rights Acts.

I think you hit upon one of the tough issues to work out in this debate...sex or gender. No gay man is being denied the ability to marry a woman. It isn't discriminatory on the basis of sex (actual plumbing). It is discriminatory on the basis of gender, but the law isn't worded that way nor the "definition" of marriage.

I am with you, but some words/definitions will have to be changed before it is discriminatory.

It's discrimination because they're not allowed to marry who they want based on their physical being. "You can marry whoever you want, as long as they're not the same sex as you". Sounds eerily like "You can marry whoever you want, as long as they're the same skin color as you", doesn't it?


I think Hyjamowhatever hit on something important. The difference is the redefinition of marriage. A straight woman can't marry another straight woman. Is she being denied a right?
 
Ook
2013-01-14 05:53:31 PM

Hyjamon: IlGreven: L.D. Ablo: I'm still not sure why anyone would want to get married, gay or straight.

Legal benefits. Which is at the crux of gay marriage's argument: As long as there are legal benefits to marriage, denying marriage on the basis of gender is discriminatory under both the 14th amendment and at least one of the Equal Rights Acts.

I think you hit upon one of the tough issues to work out in this debate...sex or gender. No gay man is being denied the ability to marry a woman. It isn't discriminatory on the basis of sex (actual plumbing). It is discriminatory on the basis of gender, but the law isn't worded that way nor the "definition" of marriage.

I am with you, but some words/definitions will have to be changed before it is discriminatory.


But if a dude can marry a girl then why can't I? Just because I have a vagina?
 
2013-01-14 06:07:11 PM

Bullseyed: Of the 40% that end in divorce, what percentage attend church every week?

/don't know the answer but I bet it is very low


There are a couple of studies that claim regular church-goers divorce at a rate about 1/3 less than their less faithful brethren.

http://www.divorce.com/article/divorce-rates-church-attendance
 
2013-01-14 06:34:56 PM

giftedmadness: maq0r: Why would someone get married?

Well, if they're from another country, so they can access immigration laws.
Or if one of them is in the hospital you can take decisitions based on their care
Or if they die then the state or your partner family won't swoop in and take joint stuff or tax the hell out of it (USA vs Windsor - clicky)

Also, "Children will be hurt, they need a mother and a father!" Yea, that's why we don't allow single parents to raise children, we take them from them.

Fark the church

Just because something is morally better than the alternative doesn't mean we should make the alternative illegal. Children do much better with a mother and father.


You might want to Google that because you're wrong. There are any number of studies done by psychiatric and child welfare groups that show children raised by same-sex parents are no worse off than those raised by heterosexual parents.
 
2013-01-14 08:00:46 PM

moothemagiccow: Keizer_Ghidorah: Hyjamon: IlGreven: L.D. Ablo: I'm still not sure why anyone would want to get married, gay or straight.

Legal benefits. Which is at the crux of gay marriage's argument: As long as there are legal benefits to marriage, denying marriage on the basis of gender is discriminatory under both the 14th amendment and at least one of the Equal Rights Acts.

I think you hit upon one of the tough issues to work out in this debate...sex or gender. No gay man is being denied the ability to marry a woman. It isn't discriminatory on the basis of sex (actual plumbing). It is discriminatory on the basis of gender, but the law isn't worded that way nor the "definition" of marriage.

I am with you, but some words/definitions will have to be changed before it is discriminatory.

It's discrimination because they're not allowed to marry who they want based on their physical being. "You can marry whoever you want, as long as they're not the same sex as you". Sounds eerily like "You can marry whoever you want, as long as they're the same skin color as you", doesn't it?

I think Hyjamowhatever hit on something important. The difference is the redefinition of marriage. A straight woman can't marry another straight woman. Is she being denied a right?


Christianity BANNED marriage in the early days. They allowed it only after they discovered that the rich and powerful refused to convert unless marriage was allowed. And the "traditional marriage" you keep hearing about? That's about 100 years old. Know what WAS traditional for far longer? You didn't marry out of love and commitment, you married to secure power, pass along inheritance, complete peace treaties, and other things that had nothing to do with love, children, or God. The bride was bought like any other piece of merchandise. If the husband had brothers, she was married to all of them, and if he died they all got to have her. Now tell me why the Church redefined marriage to get away from those, but throws a hissy panic fit over two people of the same sex marrying because they love each other.
 
2013-01-14 08:09:13 PM

hdhale: The bottom line is that if Bob and Fred want to get married in front of a judge and get it legally recognized as such, that should not be taken as offensive by church going types, any more than if an atheist puts up a Christmas tree. Believers are the only ones who can get married in the Church (or Synagog, etc.) and have it counted as a sacred rite in the eyes of God. No one is trying to mock you, honest.


My friends & I have been saying this same thing for years now. Separation of Church & State. Get the government out of the whole "marriage" game entirely. Marriage is a religious concept, let the religious people handle it however they want. All the government needs to be doing is "civil unions" for everyone - And why not? It's just a piece of paper signed by a judge, nothing more than a financial merger, a realignment of your tax paperwork and something for divorce lawyers to feed off of. No reason why they can't give those to any couple that asks for it.

Then the various religious groups can all squabble over what is and is not "marriage" all they want. They can allow it, or they can refuse it. It won't matter in the eyes of the law because it's just a religious concept & thus has no place in government or the law. So if a straight couple want to get "married" they go to a judge, get their civil union paperwork, and - if they feel like it - can go to a church and appease their religious requirements by adding the word "marriage" to the title. And if a gay couple want to do the same, then they too can go down to the courthouse, get their civil union papers, and shop around until they can find a religion that will do the ceremony for them (or not, since as far as the law is concerned, they're already legally joined).

Simple.
 
2013-01-14 08:21:25 PM

NephilimNexus: hdhale: The bottom line is that if Bob and Fred want to get married in front of a judge and get it legally recognized as such, that should not be taken as offensive by church going types, any more than if an atheist puts up a Christmas tree. Believers are the only ones who can get married in the Church (or Synagog, etc.) and have it counted as a sacred rite in the eyes of God. No one is trying to mock you, honest.

My friends & I have been saying this same thing for years now. Separation of Church & State. Get the government out of the whole "marriage" game entirely. Marriage is a religious concept, let the religious people handle it however they want. All the government needs to be doing is "civil unions" for everyone - And why not? It's just a piece of paper signed by a judge, nothing more than a financial merger, a realignment of your tax paperwork and something for divorce lawyers to feed off of. No reason why they can't give those to any couple that asks for it.

Then the various religious groups can all squabble over what is and is not "marriage" all they want. They can allow it, or they can refuse it. It won't matter in the eyes of the law because it's just a religious concept & thus has no place in government or the law. So if a straight couple want to get "married" they go to a judge, get their civil union paperwork, and - if they feel like it - can go to a church and appease their religious requirements by adding the word "marriage" to the title. And if a gay couple want to do the same, then they too can go down to the courthouse, get their civil union papers, and shop around until they can find a religion that will do the ceremony for them (or not, since as far as the law is concerned, they're already legally joined).

Simple.


You really think the religious would agree to losing power and influence? Besides, as far as they're concerned, we'd still be acknowledging that gays can do everything straights can, which is an affront to God in their eyes.
 
2013-01-14 08:29:34 PM
To be fair, France does have some pretty cool stuff. Like kid's movies showing hot chicks showing buttcrack. And lots and lots of cleavage.
 
2013-01-15 01:07:02 AM

crazyeddie: You either believe in the divinity of the man who was the son of himself, who hates the gays like you, or you don't. Yahweh was pretty clear on this.


No, it is not pretty clear. If it was so damned clear there would not be so many different sects out there.
 
2013-01-15 05:47:19 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Christianity BANNED marriage in the early days.


Well, that's interesting. Have a source for that? Tried to find it myself, but I only found some Web 1.0 site complaining about the Catholic Church's policy on celibate clergy...on a "Christian sexual liberation" site. I was as surprised as you were.
 
2013-01-15 07:52:59 PM

LoneWolf343: Keizer_Ghidorah: Christianity BANNED marriage in the early days.

Well, that's interesting. Have a source for that? Tried to find it myself, but I only found some Web 1.0 site complaining about the Catholic Church's policy on celibate clergy...on a "Christian sexual liberation" site. I was as surprised as you were.


I suspect some words at play there.  Try "Banns"
 
2013-01-15 11:52:10 PM

sno man: LoneWolf343: Keizer_Ghidorah: Christianity BANNED marriage in the early days.

Well, that's interesting. Have a source for that? Tried to find it myself, but I only found some Web 1.0 site complaining about the Catholic Church's policy on celibate clergy...on a "Christian sexual liberation" site. I was as surprised as you were.

I suspect some words at play there.  Try "Banns"


...heh.
 
2013-01-16 11:06:41 AM

LoneWolf343: sno man: LoneWolf343: Keizer_Ghidorah: Christianity BANNED marriage in the early days.

Well, that's interesting. Have a source for that? Tried to find it myself, but I only found some Web 1.0 site complaining about the Catholic Church's policy on celibate clergy...on a "Christian sexual liberation" site. I was as surprised as you were.

I suspect some words at play there.  Try "Banns"

...heh.


Farkin' Catholics.
Never did understand that the word is celebrate.
 
2013-01-16 05:24:25 PM

moothemagiccow: Keizer_Ghidorah: Hyjamon: IlGreven: L.D. Ablo: I'm still not sure why anyone would want to get married, gay or straight.

Legal benefits. Which is at the crux of gay marriage's argument: As long as there are legal benefits to marriage, denying marriage on the basis of gender is discriminatory under both the 14th amendment and at least one of the Equal Rights Acts.

I think you hit upon one of the tough issues to work out in this debate...sex or gender. No gay man is being denied the ability to marry a woman. It isn't discriminatory on the basis of sex (actual plumbing). It is discriminatory on the basis of gender, but the law isn't worded that way nor the "definition" of marriage.

I am with you, but some words/definitions will have to be changed before it is discriminatory.

It's discrimination because they're not allowed to marry who they want based on their physical being. "You can marry whoever you want, as long as they're not the same sex as you". Sounds eerily like "You can marry whoever you want, as long as they're the same skin color as you", doesn't it?

I think Hyjamowhatever hit on something important. The difference is the redefinition of marriage. A straight woman can't marry another straight woman. Is she being denied a right?


A man can't have an abortion, either, but that doesn't mean you restrict abortion rights of women in the name of "equality".
 
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