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2013-01-13 04:50:36 PM
Instant classic.
 
2013-01-13 04:52:14 PM
So Rodgers lost, Manning lost, Brees didn't even make it to the playoffs, neither did Eli or Ben. Brady is the last man standing.
 
2013-01-13 04:53:36 PM
Well color me surprised.
 
2013-01-13 04:54:46 PM
I hate the Seahawks with a passion . . . but damn is Russell Wilson incredible!
 
2013-01-13 04:55:46 PM

you are a puppet: Brady is the last old man standing.


A new generation of quarterbacks are remaking the league, and I for one am quite happy to see this. "Drop three steps, check down and throw" pocket passing attacks have gotten boring to me. Give me the mobile guys who can run like a tailback or throw a country mile from the flat.  That's a lot more fun to watch.

And let's give Russell Wilson his due - he seemed to be the only one on his team who never gave up. And he almost won an unwinnable game (helped, of course, by some absolutely bone-headed coaching from Atlanta).

Edge of the seat game when after the first half I was expecting a boring blowout.
 
2013-01-13 04:57:48 PM
Honestly, I don't know why the Falcons even showed up.  They barely even won!
 
2013-01-13 05:00:44 PM

Old Huntstein: I hate the Seahawks with a passion . . . but damn is Russell Wilson incredible!


Russell Wilson is a hell of a player and he seems like a really good dude.

So, given my apparent inability to properly judge people, it will probably come out that he's a child arsonist or something.
 
2013-01-13 05:02:11 PM
Subby, we may get to see how they do head to head.
 
2013-01-13 05:06:29 PM
I didn't watch the game (just woke up after sleeping off the booze from the Niners' win last night) but I've read a couple recaps of the game. If I'm reading this right:

Coach has Peyton Manning with 30 seconds left and 2 timeouts: take a knee.
Coach has Matt Ryan with 30 seconds left and 2 timeouts: win the game.

Am I missing anything here? I mean, the Falcons were down and HAD to go for it, but it just kind of doubles down on the chicken-shiat call that John Fox made yesterday.
 
2013-01-13 05:06:54 PM
The profootballmock facebook thingy should be good tomorrow. $5 says that Wilson goes on an epic tirade.
 
2013-01-13 05:07:58 PM
He brought his team back in frigid temperatures, on the road, against a hostile crowd?

Awesom
 
2013-01-13 05:08:46 PM

KiwDaWabbit: So, given my apparent inability to properly judge people, it will probably come out that he's a child arsonist or something.


Does that mean that when he was a child, he set stuff on fire? Or that he currently sets children on fire?
 
2013-01-13 05:10:24 PM

DamnYankees: Does that mean that when he was a child, he set stuff on fire? Or that he currently sets children on fire?


No no, when he was a child, he set other children on fire.
 
2013-01-13 05:10:57 PM
Despite the tough loss after an amazing comeback I'm happy for Tony G.

Great HOF player. Seems to be a good dude as well.

Well, now I can go snowboarding on Sundays.

GO SEAHAWKS...next year.
 
2013-01-13 05:11:12 PM
amazing how many of these games have hinged on lousy coaching decisions

Redskins failure to pull rgiii
Fox chickening out when he has one of the best last minute QB's of all time
Atlanta the 2nd half and that last kick off
 
2013-01-13 05:12:17 PM

DamnYankees: KiwDaWabbit: So, given my apparent inability to properly judge people, it will probably come out that he's a child arsonist or something.

Does that mean that when he was a child, he set stuff on fire? Or that he currently sets children on fire?

assets.diylol.com
 
2013-01-13 05:16:53 PM
Wish they would figure a way to outlaw "icing the kicker". It seems to fail more than it works, and just annoys fans (like me).

Or maybe Pete could just learn to sit on his hands for the last 2 minutes.
 
2013-01-13 05:17:59 PM

moistD: DamnYankees: KiwDaWabbit: So, given my apparent inability to properly judge people, it will probably come out that he's a child arsonist or something.

Does that mean that when he was a child, he set stuff on fire? Or that he currently sets children on fire?
[assets.diylol.com image 510x319]


Yeah, child arson transcends the perpetrator's age.
 
2013-01-13 05:18:53 PM

KiwDaWabbit: Russell Wilson is a hell of a player and he seems like a really good dude.


I think Russell Wilson is a pretty cool guy, eh throws touchdowns and doesn't afraid of anything.

/not bad for only playing one half
//Seattle was abysmal in the red zone all season and it was going to catch up with them sooner or later
 
2013-01-13 05:20:48 PM

mr_a: Wish they would figure a way to outlaw "icing the kicker". It seems to fail more than it works, and just annoys fans (like me).

Or maybe Pete could just learn to sit on his hands for the last 2 minutes.


Well, that's why they don't ban it. Why save idiots from themselves?
 
2013-01-13 05:21:01 PM
They need good field position to set up a game winning FG. I know! Kick it to them. Only pussies squib or kick away.
 
2013-01-13 05:26:34 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: The profootballmock facebook thingy should be good tomorrow.


There's a first time for everything, I guess.

Disappointed in the game as a Seahawks fan, ran through just about every imaginable emotion in the fourth quarter. Actually had to watch the game on Tivo remote due to an appointment, but successfully cut myself off from all media until I watched it. But hey, our future is great and the window is wide open for us. Now go Falcons.
 
2013-01-13 05:27:26 PM

Super Chronic: Representative of the unwashed masses: The profootballmock facebook thingy should be good tomorrow.

There's a first time for everything, I guess.

Disappointed in the game as a Seahawks fan, ran through just about every imaginable emotion in the fourth quarter. Actually had to watch the game on Tivo remote due to an appointment, but successfully cut myself off from all media until I watched it. But hey, our future is great and the window is wide open for us. Now go Falcons.


I mean Tivo *delay*. And I had a remote in my hand. Did I mention I also had some alcohol?
 
2013-01-13 05:28:36 PM

Gosling: mr_a: Wish they would figure a way to outlaw "icing the kicker". It seems to fail more than it works, and just annoys fans (like me).

Or maybe Pete could just learn to sit on his hands for the last 2 minutes.

Well, that's why they don't ban it. Why save idiots from themselves?


The thing is, if Seattle would have hit on the Hail Mary, Mike Smith would be considered the idiot.

Obviously, it would have never come to that if Pete Carroll didn't take the timeout, but Mike Smith tried his damndest to one-up that poor decision with one of his own.
 
2013-01-13 05:33:11 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: The profootballmock facebook thingy should be good tomorrow. $5 says that Wilson goes on an epic tirade.


That's what I'm thinking too. 200 words tearing into everyone.
 
2013-01-13 05:44:48 PM
I guess longwell has a rubber leg if they thought the hailmary was the better play
 
2013-01-13 05:47:31 PM

whither_apophis: Representative of the unwashed masses: The profootballmock facebook thingy should be good tomorrow. $5 says that Wilson goes on an epic tirade.

That's what I'm thinking too. 200 words tearing into everyone.


Aaron Rodgers gloating over Wilson's loss should be epic. As should Flacco's.
 
2013-01-13 05:52:51 PM

MugzyBrown: I guess longwell has a rubber leg if they thought the hailmary was the better play


www.imglols.com
 
2013-01-13 06:00:33 PM
Matt Ryan, 1-3.
Joe Flacco, 7-4.

Matt Ryan very well may wind up being more successful in the long run. He's not quite there yet...
 
2013-01-13 06:03:38 PM
Subby, I'ma gonna let you finish, but Joe Flacco is now on DHS watch list cause dat motherfarker was chuckin' bombs all over Denver last night.
 
2013-01-13 06:03:57 PM

SilentStrider: whither_apophis: Representative of the unwashed masses: The profootballmock facebook thingy should be good tomorrow. $5 says that Wilson goes on an epic tirade.

That's what I'm thinking too. 200 words tearing into everyone.

Aaron Rodgers gloating over Wilson's loss should be epic. As should Flacco's.


I'm betting on them Rodgers and the others spending 3/4s of the combo trying to goad RW into exploding until Ryan shows up and RW responds with something like "Good game man, give the 49ers hell". Causing Rodgers and the rest to flip out.
 
2013-01-13 06:14:39 PM
Wilson is a good guy, grew up in my hometown. And *only* reason I was hoping Seattle would have won today (except if ATL had lost again for the failitude)
Would quote the posters upthread but mobile posting
 
2013-01-13 06:23:52 PM

Winterlight: A new generation of quarterbacks are remaking the league, and I for one am quite happy to see this. "Drop three steps, check down and throw" pocket passing attacks have gotten boring to me. Give me the mobile guys who can run like a tailback or throw a country mile from the flat. That's a lot more fun to watch.


Yeah, and you know what else, they should be able to punt and kick. Where are the Blankas and Whites and Pastorinis of old. A QB at bare minimum should be able to:

A. Throw the ball 100+ yards on the fly
B. Have a sub-10s 100 meters
C. Be able to punt over 60 yards.
D. Be able to kick off into the stands every time.

Really, there is no excuse for any player to not be able to play both punt snapper and punter on the same play.
 
2013-01-13 06:33:51 PM

Deneb81: Matt Ryan, 1-3.
Joe Flacco, 7-4.

Matt Ryan very well may wind up being more successful in the long run. He's not quite there yet...


Yeah, this.

Much as it pains me to admit it (or anything good about the Ravens), Bert is still miles ahead of Matty Ice.
 
2013-01-13 06:35:45 PM

timswar: SilentStrider: whither_apophis: Representative of the unwashed masses: The profootballmock facebook thingy should be good tomorrow. $5 says that Wilson goes on an epic tirade.

That's what I'm thinking too. 200 words tearing into everyone.

Aaron Rodgers gloating over Wilson's loss should be epic. As should Flacco's.

I'm betting on them Rodgers and the others spending 3/4s of the combo trying to goad RW into exploding until Ryan shows up and RW responds with something like "Good game man, give the 49ers hell". Causing Rodgers and the rest to flip out.


I like that idea
 
2013-01-13 06:36:38 PM

Deneb81: Matt Ryan, 1-3.
Joe Flacco, 7-4.

Matt Ryan very well may wind up being more successful in the long run. He's not quite there yet...


Flacco won because of their defense not because of him, he has played like shiat in most of his playoff games, the most positive thing they could say his first year was that he didn't turn the ball over. Flacco has succeeded because of defense and a strong running game, Ryan doesn't have that kind of a luxury.
 
2013-01-13 06:39:57 PM

Winterlight: you are a puppet: Brady is the last old man standing.

A new generation of quarterbacks are remaking the league, and I for one am quite happy to see this. "Drop three steps, check down and throw" pocket passing attacks have gotten boring to me. Give me the mobile guys who can run like a tailback or throw a country mile from the flat.  That's a lot more fun to watch.

And let's give Russell Wilson his due - he seemed to be the only one on his team who never gave up. And he almost won an unwinnable game (helped, of course, by some absolutely bone-headed coaching from Atlanta).

Edge of the seat game when after the first half I was expecting a boring blowout.


I can see it what you are saying and it is exciting and good ole college type fast paced football but I'll say this, I was playing Madden when Vick was on the cover and had a "99" out the box with speed. These kids better learn to slide cause that "HOLY SHIAT!!!" factor goes quick.
 
2013-01-13 06:41:42 PM
Look, I'm not a Seahawks fan whatsoever.  (You probably guessed that if you saw the game thread.)  That being said, it takes massive amounts of testicular fortitude to be able to make that comeback.  I'm glad they lost, but this team isn't going anywhere for a long, long time.  Between them, Kaeppy and the fact that the Rams are starting to finally improve a bit this division's gonna be a pain in the ass for the rest of the decade if things go right.

\sorry, Cards, but you're not quite right yet and you know it
 
2013-01-13 06:45:09 PM

steamingpile: Deneb81: Matt Ryan, 1-3.
Joe Flacco, 7-4.

Matt Ryan very well may wind up being more successful in the long run. He's not quite there yet...

Flacco won because of their defense not because of him, he has played like shiat in most of his playoff games, the most positive thing they could say his first year was that he didn't turn the ball over. Flacco has succeeded because of defense and a strong running game, Ryan doesn't have that kind of a luxury.


Know how I know you...aw, fark it. You're just trolling anyway.
 
2013-01-13 06:45:45 PM
Matt Ryan is 1-3 in the playoffs, and his only win he was 250 yards with 3 TDs and 2 INTs, including a potentially game-losing INT that was only negated because Pete Carroll iced himself. Joe Flacco is 7-4 in the playoffs, including at least one win in every season he has played, and has improved every year to the point where he has 5 TDs and 0 INTs in two games.

Joe Flacco had issues his first two years, but he doesn't choke. Matt Ryan chokes, and for the first time he finally performed well in a playoff game and he still very nearly lost the game. I'd rather have Flacco than Ryan any day.
 
2013-01-13 06:46:14 PM
Ugh. How very Seattle to wait until damn near the point of no hope, then rallying to take the lead, only to blow it. Oh well, at least I don't have to concern myself with the NFL.

Thought it was kinda lame of the NFL to ensure that the NFC road teams had to overcome the additional obstacle of West Coast team early start on East Coast and Midwest team late game start on West Coast. Would've loved to see that game with the Seahawks awake for all of it.

Sure, the future is bright...but as a Seahawks fan, I fully expect a bunch of random injuries or for everything to go wrong now. Had a great season with great luck as far as a lack of injuries until the playoffs. So something horrible is about to happen. That's just how the world works.
 
2013-01-13 06:47:29 PM

FriarReb98: Look, I'm not a Seahawks fan whatsoever.  (You probably guessed that if you saw the game thread.)  That being said, it takes massive amounts of testicular fortitude to be able to make that comeback.  I'm glad they lost, but this team isn't going anywhere for a long, long time.  Between them, Kaeppy and the fact that the Rams are starting to finally improve a bit this division's gonna be a pain in the ass for the rest of the decade if things go right.

\sorry, Cards, but you're not quite right yet and you know it


Well the biggest issue is the falcons coaches playing not to lose not because of some kind of massive increased playing ability in the 4th.

Tired of watching that shiat, I understand being apprehensive but damn you can't pull your rush and soft coverage while expecting to maintain a lead.
 
2013-01-13 06:48:24 PM
TRIGGER ALERT FOR REDSKINS FANS

Winterlight: A new generation of quarterbacks are remaking the league, and I for one am quite happy to see this. "Drop three steps, check down and throw" pocket passing attacks have gotten boring to me. Give me the mobile guys who can run like a tailback or throw a country mile from the flat.  That's a lot more fun to watch.


cbssports.com

Not always.

I'm not convinced if this is really a thing like the WCO or a passing fad like the run 'n shoot. I can see the merit in this style of play, but there's a reason why running backs have a relatively short half-life. Either enough QBs are gonna get laid out on the scramble by James Harrison to remind us why there is such a thing as a pocket, or Roger puts in a 'Nobody Ever Hits The QB Again Ever Ever Rule' and we just move the Browns from the lakefront to the Q.
 
2013-01-13 06:49:10 PM

Gecko Gingrich: steamingpile: Deneb81: Matt Ryan, 1-3.
Joe Flacco, 7-4.

Matt Ryan very well may wind up being more successful in the long run. He's not quite there yet...

Flacco won because of their defense not because of him, he has played like shiat in most of his playoff games, the most positive thing they could say his first year was that he didn't turn the ball over. Flacco has succeeded because of defense and a strong running game, Ryan doesn't have that kind of a luxury.

Know how I know you...aw, fark it. You're just trolling anyway.


Kind of but based in reality, his first few years he had a sub 55 QB rating, he's not even close to being a good QB and if you give teams a chance he's not at the top of their wish list.
 
2013-01-13 06:49:57 PM

Sargun: and for the first time he finally performed well in a playoff game and he still very nearly lost the game.


Thanks to Seattle's complete lack of a pass rush and insistence upon going into zones no matter how many times they got beat on 3rd downs.
 
2013-01-13 06:55:53 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: I'm not convinced if this is really a thing like the WCO or a passing fad like the run 'n shoot. I can see the merit in this style of play, but there's a reason why running backs have a relatively short half-life. Either enough QBs are gonna get laid out on the scramble by James Harrison to remind us why there is such a thing as a pocket, or Roger puts in a 'Nobody Ever Hits The QB Again Ever Ever Rule' and we just move the Browns from the lakefront to the Q.


Given those two options, I think we can sadly agree which one Roger would go with.
 
2013-01-13 07:04:46 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: I'm not convinced if this is really a thing like the WCO or a passing fad like the run 'n shoot. I can see the merit in this style of play, but there's a reason why running backs have a relatively short half-life. Either enough QBs are gonna get laid out on the scramble by James Harrison to remind us why there is such a thing as a pocket, or Roger puts in a 'Nobody Ever Hits The QB Again Ever Ever Rule' and we just move the Browns from the lakefront to the Q.


This. Remember, quarterbacks like Kordell Stewart and Mike Vick haven't lasted long for a reason. RBs have very short careers, and teams aren't going to want to do that with their quarterbacks. This isn't the 60s anymore, where the defensive guys are small. The linemen nowadays are 100 lbs heavier than they were 40 years ago.
 
2013-01-13 07:05:35 PM

IAmRight: Sargun: and for the first time he finally performed well in a playoff game and he still very nearly lost the game.

Thanks to Seattle's complete lack of a pass rush and insistence upon going into zones no matter how many times they got beat on 3rd downs.


Their lack of pass rush was due not being able to stop the run at all, you can't rush if people are running past you with the ball.
 
2013-01-13 07:12:27 PM

Winterlight: you are a puppet: Brady is the last old man standing.

A new generation of quarterbacks are remaking the league, and I for one am quite happy to see this. "Drop three steps, check down and throw" pocket passing attacks have gotten boring to me. Give me the mobile guys who can run like a tailback or throw a country mile from the flat.  That's a lot more fun to watch.

And let's give Russell Wilson his due - he seemed to be the only one on his team who never gave up. And he almost won an unwinnable game (helped, of course, by some absolutely bone-headed coaching from Atlanta).

Edge of the seat game when after the first half I was expecting a boring blowout.


Oh and 331 and 3 TDs.

/Old man my ass
 
2013-01-13 07:17:55 PM

steamingpile: IAmRight: Sargun: and for the first time he finally performed well in a playoff game and he still very nearly lost the game.

Thanks to Seattle's complete lack of a pass rush and insistence upon going into zones no matter how many times they got beat on 3rd downs.

Their lack of pass rush was due not being able to stop the run at all, you can't rush if people are running past you with the ball.


No you don't understand, the Seahawks just cleverly allowed Matt Ryan to look good. It was all part of their master plan to overcome the NFL's bias against West Coast teams.

The Falcons get no credit, they didn't win, the Seahawks just allowed them to be ahead when the game ended.

Anyways, for those that aren't excuse making homers or overly giddy Falcons fans (you really think you're winning the SB now? Really?), it was an entertaining game. I think if those teams play 100 times the Seahawks win more than the Falcons, but them's the breaks. Should have played better when it counted the most. Going down by 14 and 20 on the road in the playoffs, its pretty surprising they could have won both games anyway.

But it's not that surprising they lost a game on the road. Guess Sherman won't be seeing Brady again. Wonder if he mad now.

And Wilson is the man. The Seahawks are the favorite next year right now.
 
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