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(Arkansas Times)   City of Little Rock proposes to hire a contractor that discriminates on the basis of religion. Job announcement: Must be "A current member or regular attendee of a local evangelical Christian church"   (arktimes.com) divider line 106
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2013-01-13 03:45:12 PM  
There's an app law for that.
 
2013-01-13 03:47:26 PM  

edmo: There's an app law for that.


Yes but no will to carry it out.
 
2013-01-13 03:55:13 PM  
I keep telling my Catholic friends that the fundies are only using them for the anti-abortion issue and that when push comes to shove they will turn on them as being the idatrous papists that they are.
 
2013-01-13 03:59:57 PM  
I love when religious fundamentalists flaunt their ignorance like a new coat.
 
2013-01-13 04:21:26 PM  
Looks like a recipe for a federal lawsuit.
 
2013-01-13 04:25:10 PM  
I wonder how many posts it'll be until a certain FARKer comes in to complain about FARK posting a "hate thread", and tell us how anyone who disagrees with this practice are "the real bigots."
 
2013-01-13 04:41:36 PM  
Stop oppressing these good Christian folk.
 
2013-01-13 04:48:36 PM  
Although this is likely an interesting story, I had to re-read each sentence 3 times and then re-read the paragraphs as a whole to figure out WTF this crappy blogger was trying to say. I believe the jist is that a contractor hired by the govt. is being allowed to discriminate based on religion when hiring its employees. Thats what you'll get sometimes when we allow govt to contract with faith-based orgs. You can run your church any way you want, but you start doing govt. work and you have to follow govt. rules. Well, in theory.
 
2013-01-13 04:59:29 PM  
wow, that's just farking wrong on about a million levels.
 
2013-01-13 05:12:26 PM  

dugitman: Although this is likely an interesting story, I had to re-read each sentence 3 times and then re-read the paragraphs as a whole to figure out WTF this crappy blogger was trying to say. I believe the jist is that a contractor hired by the govt. is being allowed to discriminate based on religion when hiring its employees. Thats what you'll get sometimes when we allow govt to contract with faith-based orgs. You can run your church any way you want, but you start doing govt. work and you have to follow govt. rules. Well, in theory.


There's a better article here, but the Arkansas Times really should look into hiring better journalists:

http://www.arktimes.com/arkansas/look-cityward-evangels-for-dough/Co nt ent?oid=2581828

If I understand it correctly, the city is contracting out to an evangelical mission the day to day operation of a homeless shelter.  The evangelical mission is hiring only evangelicals   It may or may not be legal because the jobs were only created contingent on the contract with the city, but the city itself isn't advertising for the jobs.
 
2013-01-13 05:21:38 PM  

Lsherm: dugitman: Although this is likely an interesting story, I had to re-read each sentence 3 times and then re-read the paragraphs as a whole to figure out WTF this crappy blogger was trying to say. I believe the jist is that a contractor hired by the govt. is being allowed to discriminate based on religion when hiring its employees. Thats what you'll get sometimes when we allow govt to contract with faith-based orgs. You can run your church any way you want, but you start doing govt. work and you have to follow govt. rules. Well, in theory.

There's a better article here, but the Arkansas Times really should look into hiring better journalists:

http://www.arktimes.com/arkansas/look-cityward-evangels-for-dough/Co nt ent?oid=2581828

If I understand it correctly, the city is contracting out to an evangelical mission the day to day operation of a homeless shelter.  The evangelical mission is hiring only evangelicals   It may or may not be legal because the jobs were only created contingent on the contract with the city, but the city itself isn't advertising for the jobs.


AFAIKTL, if it receives federal funding, the organization CANNOT discriminate on the basis of the religion of the applicant, per the Civil Rights Act of 1966
 
2013-01-13 05:22:13 PM  
Ahem. Federal or state.
 
2013-01-13 05:33:16 PM  

BronyMedic: Ahem. Federal or state.


This is local(city). We had a similar issue in Indianapolis a few years ago. Our local missions are run by religious orgs. The city wanted to run a co-operative program for the homeless with them, but it got all snaggled up because part of the requirements the org had was daily attendance at prayer services and bible study. They wouldnt budge on the requirements for the co-op program so the whole thing fizzled. In this case the city bought the facilities from the org and then contracted them back out to run it. It seems the org in this arrangement is really just an extension of the city gov, so they shouldn't be allowed exemption on their hiring practices. IANAL obviously.
 
2013-01-13 05:52:01 PM  

BronyMedic: I wonder how many posts it'll be until a certain FARKer comes in to complain about FARK posting a "hate thread", and tell us how anyone who disagrees with this practice are "the real bigots."


Still stewing I see...

Anyhoo, this has ACLU written all over it.  The city of Little Rock will lose all the savings they made by this outsourcing to begin with....and then some.
 
2013-01-13 05:53:41 PM  

doyner: Still stewing I see...


Stewing about what?

Said FARKer is infamous about his drive-by "I'm a victim here" whenever Christians are mentioned in a negative light. I can't mention his name, even though he's a FARK meme for doing this, otherwise people cry to the mods and get it removed.
 
2013-01-13 05:55:39 PM  

BronyMedic: doyner: Still stewing I see...

Stewing about what?

Said FARKer is infamous about his drive-by "I'm a victim here" whenever Christians are mentioned in a negative light. I can't mention his name, even though he's a FARK meme for doing this, otherwise people cry to the mods and get it removed.


Sorry.  I thought I saw you whining about a time-out in another thread.  My mistake.
 
2013-01-13 05:56:40 PM  
 
2013-01-13 05:58:06 PM  

EnviroDude: From 2011.

http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/news/2011/10/03/supreme-court-worl d -vision-can-hire.html


Yes, but were they recipients of taxpayer-funded contracts?
 
2013-01-13 05:59:58 PM  

doyner: Sorry.  I thought I saw you whining about a time-out in another thread.  My mistake.


Huh?

You sure you don't have me confused with someone else?
 
2013-01-13 06:00:44 PM  

BronyMedic: doyner: Sorry.  I thought I saw you whining about a time-out in another thread.  My mistake.

Huh?

You sure you don't have me confused with someone else?


That's what I was saying, hence apology.
 
2013-01-13 06:05:01 PM  

EnviroDude: From 2011.

http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/news/2011/10/03/supreme-court-worl d -vision-can-hire.html


The question isn't whether faith-based orgs are exempt from discrimination laws. They can be. In this case though, the city contracted the faith-based org to do government work using taxpayer dollars. That's different(intuitively to me at least)
 
2013-01-13 06:05:17 PM  
Devout Muslims will be employed. No Christians.

TROLOLOLOLOL.


BronyMedic: AFAIKTL, if it receives federal funding, the organization CANNOT discriminate on the basis of the religion of the applicant, per the Civil Rights Act of 1966


Ahem. "Faith-based" grants, anyone?
 
2013-01-13 06:05:26 PM  
Little Rock is as progressive as any other major metro area. Don't count on this bullshiat lasting long.
 
2013-01-13 06:10:09 PM  
Hmm... not being allowed to participate in commerce unless some group grants an arbitrary certification/authorization?

Do they write that certification on the applicant's right hand or forehead?
 
2013-01-13 06:10:29 PM  
I call shenanigans. No way this could happen in that bastion of enlightened thought.
 
2013-01-13 06:11:48 PM  

dugitman: EnviroDude: From 2011.

http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/news/2011/10/03/supreme-court-worl d -vision-can-hire.html

The question isn't whether faith-based orgs are exempt from discrimination laws. They can be. In this case though, the city contracted the faith-based org to do government work using taxpayer dollars. That's different(intuitively to me at least)




Unless the rule has been changed by Obama's Justice Department, their policy is legal - including faith based charities that get government money.
 
2013-01-13 06:14:57 PM  

EnviroDude: Unless the rule has been changed by Obama's Justice Department, their policy is legal - including faith based charities that get government money.


That's why i said it seemed intuitively wrong to me. What is the applicable rule(or law) you are referring to?
 
2013-01-13 06:16:38 PM  

dugitman: Although this is likely an interesting story, I had to re-read each sentence 3 times and then re-read the paragraphs as a whole to figure out WTF this crappy blogger was trying to say. I believe the jist is that a contractor hired by the govt. is being allowed to discriminate based on religion when hiring its employees. Thats what you'll get sometimes when we allow govt to contract with faith-based orgs. You can run your church any way you want, but you start doing govt. work and you have to follow govt. rules. Well, in theory.


You either misspelled 'gist' or 'jizm.'
 
2013-01-13 06:19:14 PM  
It makes sense. Christians are better than anyone else. It should be the law for every job.
 
2013-01-13 06:21:57 PM  
That's legal, as long as they don't turn away anyone from the shelter
 
2013-01-13 06:32:04 PM  

dugitman: EnviroDude: Unless the rule has been changed by Obama's Justice Department, their policy is legal - including faith based charities that get government money.

That's why i said it seemed intuitively wrong to me. What is the applicable rule(or law) you are referring to?




When Bush allowed them to get federal funds, it was legal. I don't think it has changed under Obama.
 
2013-01-13 06:34:04 PM  
If the employer discriminates based on religion rather than skill or experience, they are probably bad at their jobs. The place will be horribly mismanaged.
 
2013-01-13 06:34:04 PM  

doyner: The city of Little Rock will lose all the savings they made by this outsourcing to begin with....and then some.


And no one will learn a goddamn, farking thing from it.
Hence why we need these so-called laws and non-government groups willing to go to court to enforce them. Our government is incapable or unwilling to do so.
 
2013-01-13 06:36:25 PM  
When I need a job done, I only hire Satanists. Payday every Friday and they are back on Monday, usually, depending on how much they drank on the weekend.
Still better than those christians. Dang farkers Try to get an hour for lunch, as they prayed for a half hour while reading their version of the bible and then start to eat. I says no farking way or get the fark out ya ingrates. If you want an hour for lunch, you'd better go volunteer at the church wiping up the priests confession chamber. But thats free work and doesn't pay the bills, so they come crawling back and plead for mercy to the one true god,,, a weekly paycheck.

disclaimer: I dislike all peoples and dislike all religions equally. SO stuff a sock in it nancy-boy.
 
2013-01-13 06:37:30 PM  

BronyMedic: AFAIKTL, if it receives federal funding, the organization CANNOT discriminate on the basis of the religion of the applicant, per the Civil Rights Act of 1966


The subtlety they may be able to use is that it might not be federal funds that this contract is using. If the contract is under city county or state funds only, then it may be possible to skirt around this.
Additionally, contractors are not always subject to the same hiring requirements as governments.
Still, my parents are Catholic and live in Little Rock. I'm thinking of sending them this article with a note to go over and apply for a job, wait for the rejection, and then sue the city for unlawful discrimination. Just the fact that a lawsuit would get filed should be enough for the policy to get fixed, as well as a quick, quiet "agreement" to get them to dismiss the lawsuit.
 
2013-01-13 06:52:47 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: It makes sense. Christians are better than anyone else. It should be the law for every job.


If somebody from one of the fake religions wants to work in such a place, they can just lie. They're going to Hell anyway and if one more fib makes their Earthly life a tad better, why not?

Atheists should be weeded out early on for the good of everyone though.
 
2013-01-13 06:59:18 PM  

NuttierThanEver: I keep telling my Catholic friends that the fundies are only using them for the anti-abortion issue and that when push comes to shove they will turn on them as being the idatrous papists that they are.


This comment deserves its very own Obvious tag.

/And they just looooooove Israel and Jews - because they want Armageddon.
 
2013-01-13 07:00:04 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: If the employer discriminates based on religion rather than skill or experience, they are probably bad at their jobs. The place will be horribly mismanaged.


I dunno. We're talking about homeless shelters. Around here most of that work is done by missions with a religious org administering. Granted, the whole reason this is an issue is the org in TFA was financially troubled, and got bailed out by the city so that it could do the same work on a steady govt contract. They might be awesome at helping the homeless, but suck at budgeting. It just doesnt seem right that they can go through that process, effectively administer a division of city govt, and still get exemptions reserved for independent religious organizations.
 
2013-01-13 07:00:12 PM  
Little Rock evangelical Christians:

ethicsbob.files.wordpress.com

Do they miss those nice soldiers??
 
2013-01-13 07:01:46 PM  

fusillade762: Devout Muslims will be employed. No Christians.

TROLOLOLOLOL.


Devout Muslims will be employed? No! Christians!

Damn misprints.
 
2013-01-13 07:07:48 PM  
I keep telling people "If you support discrimination today you'll be on the short end of the stick sometime."

And it's not just race and religion. Now that employers can discriminate against people who smoke what's next? Vegans only? Virgins only? "Is that your actual hair color?" Are you left handed? Do you use caffeinated drinks or products?
 
2013-01-13 07:10:44 PM  

Lost Thought 00: That's legal, as long as they don't turn away anyone from the shelter



I agree. I manage a non-profit that does housing through HUD. As I recall under Bush admin rules were changed to allow for religious based orgs to contract with various agencies and receive grant funding. This was no doubt a grant awarded by the city to the religious group based on an RFP.

They were probably the only one that applied because they were the only one that met a minimum score.
 
2013-01-13 07:14:34 PM  
Why doesn't the city just give the money to non-religious homeless shelters? Problem fixed!
 
2013-01-13 07:19:27 PM  

NuttierThanEver: I keep telling my Catholic friends that the fundies are only using them for the anti-abortion issue and that when push comes to shove they will turn on them as being the idatrous papists that they are.


Is that seriously a question in anyone's mind? The past 600 years of history haven't been enough to teach people that?

Hell this country was flipping out about a Catholic President in the 60's.
 
2013-01-13 07:20:59 PM  

jayhawk88: NuttierThanEver: I keep telling my Catholic friends that the fundies are only using them for the anti-abortion issue and that when push comes to shove they will turn on them as being the idatrous papists that they are.

Is that seriously a question in anyone's mind? The past 600 years of history haven't been enough to teach people that?

Hell this country was flipping out about a Catholic President in the 60's.


It still blows my mind every time I hear them say that Catholics aren't Christians.
 
2013-01-13 07:23:57 PM  
I can't speak to the legality of this but it seems suspect to me. That said it seems to me it would be a better and safer idea do do this non denominational and keep religion out of it entirely allowing for homeless of all faiths to make use of it as well as avoiding any nasty legal action.
 
2013-01-13 07:33:15 PM  

TomD9938: Lenny_da_Hog: It makes sense. Christians are better than anyone else. It should be the law for every job.

If somebody from one of the fake religions wants to work in such a place, they can just lie. They're going to Hell anyway and if one more fib makes their Earthly life a tad better, why not?

Atheists should be weeded out early on for the good of everyone though.


Aww did widdle Tommy's god get called a sky wizard one time?

May if you prayed harder god would protect you from those filthy nonbelievers.
 
2013-01-13 07:38:50 PM  

Smackledorfer: TomD9938: Lenny_da_Hog: It makes sense. Christians are better than anyone else. It should be the law for every job.

If somebody from one of the fake religions wants to work in such a place, they can just lie. They're going to Hell anyway and if one more fib makes their Earthly life a tad better, why not?

Atheists should be weeded out early on for the good of everyone though.

Aww did widdle Tommy's god get called a sky wizard one time?

May if you prayed harder god would protect you from those filthy nonbelievers.


I was busy praying for Obama to give us a Death Star. God denied that petition.
 
2013-01-13 07:42:07 PM  

doyner: jayhawk88: NuttierThanEver: I keep telling my Catholic friends that the fundies are only using them for the anti-abortion issue and that when push comes to shove they will turn on them as being the idatrous papists that they are.

Is that seriously a question in anyone's mind? The past 600 years of history haven't been enough to teach people that?

Hell this country was flipping out about a Catholic President in the 60's.

It still blows my mind every time I hear them say that Catholics aren't Christians.


I have an aunt that does that. She spouted off one day about some Middle East violence with the sentence "You don't see Christians going around killing people like that!". I was like "Ummm... the Inquisition, the Crusades?" She responded with "Well, those weren't REAL Christians."
 
2013-01-13 07:43:24 PM  

NuttierThanEver: I keep telling my Catholic friends that the fundies are only using them for the anti-abortion issue and that when push comes to shove they will turn on them as being the idatrous papists that they are.


That's ok - Catholics used the Evangelicals for the abortion issue.  In fact, Evangelicals didn't much care until Phyllis Schlafly told them why they should.
 
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