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(Durango Herald)   NY/NJ lawmakers getting $9b in Sandy relief resent GOP accusations that they'll waste $17b, for a mere $32b is insufficient to brib-- er, that is, invest $56b in essential infrastructure, and to refuse a polite request for $82b is unconscionable   (durangoherald.com) divider line 145
    More: Followup, GOP, New York, criminal accusation, funds, lawmakers, Tim Huelskamp, Taxpayers for Common Sense, relief  
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2013-01-13 03:52:10 PM  
Define "unnecessary aid".
 
2013-01-13 04:20:41 PM  
World's worst headline.  I don't even know if that's English.

For shame, subby.
 
2013-01-13 04:47:36 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Define "unnecessary aid".


Well, it's helping people, so Republicans are fundamentally against it.
 
2013-01-13 05:24:15 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Define "unnecessary aid".


A $60.4 billion storm-aid package passed by the Senate in December included $188 million for an Amtrak expansion project with an indirect link to Sandy: Officials say that new, long-planned tunnels from New Jersey to Penn Station in Manhattan would be better protected against future flooding.

That.  It isn't aid, it's a capital improvement project.
 
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2013-01-13 05:25:21 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Define "unnecessary aid".


Aid to blue states.

Have you ever met a Republican who didn't love pork?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-13 05:27:06 PM  

Lsherm: RedPhoenix122: Define "unnecessary aid".

A $60.4 billion storm-aid package passed by the Senate in December included $188 million for an Amtrak expansion project with an indirect link to Sandy: Officials say that new, long-planned tunnels from New Jersey to Penn Station in Manhattan would be better protected against future flooding.

That.  It isn't aid, it's a capital improvement project.


Of course it is.

Rebuilding vulnerable infrastructure wouldn't be a very wise project would it?
 
2013-01-13 05:36:39 PM  

Lsherm: RedPhoenix122: Define "unnecessary aid".

A $60.4 billion storm-aid package passed by the Senate in December included $188 million for an Amtrak expansion project with an indirect link to Sandy: Officials say that new, long-planned tunnels from New Jersey to Penn Station in Manhattan would be better protected against future flooding.

That.  It isn't aid, it's a capital improvement project.


Yeah, I'm sure no infrastructure was damaged by a landfalling hurricane.
 
2013-01-13 06:01:33 PM  

vpb: RedPhoenix122: Define "unnecessary aid".

Aid to blue states.

Have you ever met a Republican who didn't love pork?


I'd REALLY like to know who keeps packing these emergency aid bills with pork. How are we to know the GOP isn't purposely sabotaging these things?
 
2013-01-13 06:17:20 PM  
The Republican party...holding American disaster victims hostage for petty ideological bullshiat.

I wonder what bill they're going to work on passing next.  Will it be about abortion?  Maybe Obamacare?  A non-binding congressional resolution declaring that guns are neato?

I know what it won't be.  It won't be a rapid response to a multi-billion dollar disaster that killed 110+ Americans and which continues to make millions more tax-paying fellow Americans suffer unnecessarily.

Hell of a party ya got there, "conservatives."

/it wont be about jobs, either.  They must be taking their time on that 2010 pledge to make sure they get it exaaaaactly right.
 
2013-01-13 06:46:38 PM  
Liberals are terrified that there might be someone who needs help and isn't getting it.

Conservatives are terrified that there might be someone getting help who doesn't need ('deserve') it.
 
2013-01-13 06:54:12 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Define "unnecessary aid".


"Republicans also criticized $13 billion in the Senate bill for projects to protect against future storms, including fortification of mass-transit systems in the Northeast and building new jetties in vulnerable seaside areas."

^THIS for starters. This is a state and local expense, 100%. If I live in a town of 4,000 people half way across the country why are my tax dollars going for this?

The people who choose to live there and think they need it need to pay for it.
 
2013-01-13 06:55:44 PM  

vpb: Lsherm: RedPhoenix122: Define "unnecessary aid".

A $60.4 billion storm-aid package passed by the Senate in December included $188 million for an Amtrak expansion project with an indirect link to Sandy: Officials say that new, long-planned tunnels from New Jersey to Penn Station in Manhattan would be better protected against future flooding.

That.  It isn't aid, it's a capital improvement project.

Of course it is.

Rebuilding vulnerable infrastructure wouldn't be a very wise project would it?


It seems like a lot of the things that the article brings up as something republicans are having a problem with, such as the ones that you were responding to, may be worthwhile but don't seem to be "emergency aid".
 
2013-01-13 06:56:44 PM  

Babwa Wawa: World's worst headline.  I don't even know if that's English.

For shame, subby.

 
2013-01-13 06:59:11 PM  

cchris_39: RedPhoenix122: Define "unnecessary aid".

"Republicans also criticized $13 billion in the Senate bill for projects to protect against future storms, including fortification of mass-transit systems in the Northeast and building new jetties in vulnerable seaside areas."

^THIS for starters. This is a state and local expense, 100%. If I live in a town of 4,000 people half way across the country why are my tax dollars going for this?

The people who choose to live there and think they need it need to pay for it.


Because this is the "United States of America." Not the "Every State For Itself America"
 
2013-01-13 06:59:53 PM  

cchris_39: RedPhoenix122: Define "unnecessary aid".

"Republicans also criticized $13 billion in the Senate bill for projects to protect against future storms, including fortification of mass-transit systems in the Northeast and building new jetties in vulnerable seaside areas."

^THIS for starters. This is a state and local expense, 100%. If I live in a town of 4,000 people half way across the country why are my tax dollars going for this?

The people who choose to live there and think they need it need to pay for it.


Someone has to pay to repair those board walks in Jersey. And it sure ain't gonna be Snookie.
 
2013-01-13 07:00:09 PM  

cchris_39: RedPhoenix122: Define "unnecessary aid".

"Republicans also criticized $13 billion in the Senate bill for projects to protect against future storms, including fortification of mass-transit systems in the Northeast and building new jetties in vulnerable seaside areas."

^THIS for starters. This is a state and local expense, 100%. If I live in a town of 4,000 people half way across the country why are my tax dollars going for this?

The people who choose to live there and think they need it need to pay for it.


Because disruption of commerce anywhere in this country hurts everyone.
 
2013-01-13 07:01:14 PM  
cchris_39

Your grammar is appalling.
You must be the sub-terd....

See paid shill thread from the other day....
 
2013-01-13 07:02:21 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: I wonder what bill they're going to work on passing next. Will it be about abortion? Maybe Obamacare? A non-binding congressional resolution declaring that guns are neato?


Guns for Fetuses! The unborn have second amendment rights too.
 
2013-01-13 07:02:43 PM  
Ok if you want me to fortify your subway then no more biatching about my farm subsidies.

You need my food more than I need your subway.
 
2013-01-13 07:05:02 PM  

cchris_39: Ok if you want me to fortify your subway then no more biatching about my farm subsidies.

You need my food more than I need your subway.


Depends - what are you growing?
 
2013-01-13 07:07:27 PM  

Wyalt Derp: Liberals are terrified that there might be someone who needs help and isn't getting it.

Conservatives are terrified that there might be someone getting help who doesn't need ('deserve') it.


Fellow Americans who pay taxes for services don't "deserve" them when needed.  They deserve them.

I just can't figure out how America-loving patriots justify telling millions of their fellow citizens "F*ck you...use your bootstraps assholes!"

THEY ARE THE COUNTRY YOU SAY YOU LOVE.
 
2013-01-13 07:10:10 PM  

GAT_00: Lsherm: RedPhoenix122: Define "unnecessary aid".

A $60.4 billion storm-aid package passed by the Senate in December included $188 million for an Amtrak expansion project with an indirect link to Sandy: Officials say that new, long-planned tunnels from New Jersey to Penn Station in Manhattan would be better protected against future flooding.

That.  It isn't aid, it's a capital improvement project.

Yeah, I'm sure no infrastructure was damaged by a landfalling hurricane.


FTFA
Republicans also criticized $13 billion in the Senate bill for projects to protect against future storms, including fortification of mass-transit systems in the Northeast and building new jetties in vulnerable seaside areas. While maybe worthwhile, those projects don't represent emergencies and shouldn't be exempt from federal spending caps, GOP lawmakers said.

Read then post

So, digging tunnels is apparently a plan against flooding
 
2013-01-13 07:10:30 PM  

quickdraw: cchris_39: Ok if you want me to fortify your subway then no more biatching about my farm subsidies.

You need my food more than I need your subway.

Depends - what are you growing?


Lol guess you figured out I live in Dallas and just like to spark a little thinking. Don't tell, some of these people take me seriously ;)

/still think subway construction/maintenance should be a local expense.
 
2013-01-13 07:11:47 PM  

cchris_39: RedPhoenix122: Define "unnecessary aid".

"Republicans also criticized $13 billion in the Senate bill for projects to protect against future storms, including fortification of mass-transit systems in the Northeast and building new jetties in vulnerable seaside areas."

^THIS for starters. This is a state and local expense, 100%. If I live in a town of 4,000 people half way across the country why are my tax dollars going for this?

The people who choose to live there and think they need it need to pay for it.


Because me, living in the city of 8 million won't put up the mildest whisper about paying if your town of 4000 gets blown over by a tornado.

/keeping the biggest metroplex in the world running is worth a few scheckles, dimbulb.
 
2013-01-13 07:22:02 PM  

cchris_39: quickdraw: cchris_39: Ok if you want me to fortify your subway then no more biatching about my farm subsidies.

You need my food more than I need your subway.

Depends - what are you growing?

Lol guess you figured out I live in Dallas and just like to spark a little thinking. Don't tell, some of these people take me seriously ;)

/still think subway construction/maintenance should be a local expense.


Ah yes, the LOL I TROLL YOU response of someone called out on their stupid.

Munchausen's Proxy: So, digging tunnels is apparently a plan against flooding


A tunnel with proper flood protection is a lot easier to protect from storm damage than a large stretch of track, because you only have to worry about the start and end points.
 
2013-01-13 07:25:18 PM  
You can have as much as you need the moment you need if you will cut it from something else.
 
2013-01-13 07:27:19 PM  

randomjsa: You can have as much as you need the moment you need if you will cut it from something else.


WTF was that? I swear... Moving around on these little laptop built in mouse... Quite possibly the worst cut and paste I've ever done.

You can have as much as you want. What are you going to cut to get it?
 
2013-01-13 07:29:45 PM  
The folks criticizing the submitter's headline in this thread are probably the same ones who get confused about how many zeroes there are in the deficit each year. They probably could care less that the Senate hasn't passed a budget in 4 years.
 
2013-01-13 07:32:42 PM  

randomjsa: randomjsa: You can have as much as you need the moment you need if you will cut it from something else.

WTF was that? I swear... Moving around on these little laptop built in mouse... Quite possibly the worst cut and paste I've ever done.

You can have as much as you want. What are you going to cut to get it?


How about defense or those cuts to taxes? Oh wait I forget the cuts can only be for the things Republicans want.
 
2013-01-13 07:33:47 PM  

Munchausen's Proxy: GAT_00: Lsherm: RedPhoenix122: Define "unnecessary aid".

A $60.4 billion storm-aid package passed by the Senate in December included $188 million for an Amtrak expansion project with an indirect link to Sandy: Officials say that new, long-planned tunnels from New Jersey to Penn Station in Manhattan would be better protected against future flooding.

That.  It isn't aid, it's a capital improvement project.

Yeah, I'm sure no infrastructure was damaged by a landfalling hurricane.

FTFA
Republicans also criticized $13 billion in the Senate bill for projects to protect against future storms, including fortification of mass-transit systems in the Northeast and building new jetties in vulnerable seaside areas. While maybe worthwhile, those projects don't represent emergencies and shouldn't be exempt from federal spending caps, GOP lawmakers said.

Read then post

So, digging tunnels is apparently a plan against flooding


Making better ones that will not flood is a plan against flooding
 
2013-01-13 07:34:10 PM  

Animatronik: The folks criticizing the submitter's headline in this thread are probably the same ones who get confused about how many zeroes there are in the deficit each year. They probably could care less that the Senate hasn't passed a budget in 4 years.


How exactly not passing an "official" budget bill cause damage to the US citizenry?
 
2013-01-13 07:36:04 PM  

Animatronik: The folks criticizing the submitter's headline in this thread are probably the same ones who get confused about how many zeroes there are in the deficit each year. They probably could care less that the Senate hasn't passed a budget in 4 years.


Due to deliberate obstructionism by the GOP.
 
2013-01-13 07:40:02 PM  

cchris_39: quickdraw: cchris_39: Ok if you want me to fortify your subway then no more biatching about my farm subsidies.

You need my food more than I need your subway.

Depends - what are you growing?

Lol guess you figured out I live in Dallas and just like to spark a little thinking. Don't tell, some of these people take me seriously ;)

/still think subway construction/maintenance should be a local expense.


So does that mean tourists have to pay extra to use it? Do we start charging entrance fees at state lines? Arent the subways a public good seeing as they cut down on gas consumption and exhaust? Do you understand that a subway is not an amusement park ride?

See I know that your just being sociable in your own weird trolly way but you are, inadvertently, revealing what a sheltered life you have had. It pretty obvious your idea of the NE part of our country comes from movies. You should go there. Its am amazing place. Then perhaps you would understand that the subway doesnt belong to NY or NJ. It belongs to all of us. It is your subway too. They don't prevent Texans from using it.
 
2013-01-13 07:40:46 PM  

GAT_00: Ah yes, the LOL I TROLL YOU response of someone called out on their stupid.


No, I still need a good answer why local infrastructure shouldn't be paid for by local tax dollars. "Cuz we're big" is not an answer. If you're that big, then you have the money to pay for it

Don't get wrong - there are plenty of worthwhile projects. That doesn't mean the federal government needs to be funding all of them. That's a perfectly acceptable question for debate. And one we need to have far more often.
 
2013-01-13 07:42:00 PM  

quickdraw: Its am amazing place.


Thats not a typo. I have the flu. I really sound like that.
 
2013-01-13 07:43:54 PM  
Again--none of the states seriously affected by Sandy voted for Romney. Why should the repubs vote them disaster relief? They deserve to be punished for having the temerity to vote against their betters. Indeed, the American people as a whole is about to be punished by the repubs for its failure to show Romney et al the proper respect. Want your debt ceiling lifted and the country protected from a double dip recession? You should have thought of that before you voted for Obama.
 
2013-01-13 07:45:07 PM  

cchris_39: No, I still need a good answer why local infrastructure shouldn't be paid for by local tax dollars.


Because anyone can use them.
 
2013-01-13 07:48:06 PM  

clambam: Again--none of the states seriously affected by Sandy voted for Romney. Why should the repubs vote them disaster relief? They deserve to be punished for having the temerity to vote against their betters. Indeed, the American people as a whole is about to be punished by the repubs for its failure to show Romney et al the proper respect. Want your debt ceiling lifted and the country protected from a double dip recession? You should have thought of that before you voted for Obama.


Thats nothing compared to what they would have done if Romney had won.
 
2013-01-13 07:50:12 PM  

randomjsa: randomjsa: You can have as much as you need the moment you need if you will cut it from something else.

WTF was that? I swear... Moving around on these little laptop built in mouse... Quite possibly the worst cut and paste I've ever done.

You can have as much as you want. What are you going to cut to get it?


And a disaster is exactly the right time to discuss changing decades of SOP.

"Home destroyed?  Possessions gone?  Family member dead?  Sorry, we've got principles."
 
2013-01-13 07:53:17 PM  

quickdraw: quickdraw: Its am amazing place.

Thats not a typo. I have the flu. I really sound like that.


No worries, cool response and duly noted. Get well soon.

Been there. As Texan as I am, there is no place on earth like NYC.

Just get tired of them throwing tons of our money at every. single. thing......
 
2013-01-13 07:53:29 PM  
The money might not be wasted as long as the Port Authority has nothing to do with it. If the PA is involved then make the recovery around $500 billion (to start with additional trillions) and expect repairs/rebuilding to be complete by the end of the century.
 
2013-01-13 07:54:07 PM  

fusillade762: vpb: RedPhoenix122: Define "unnecessary aid".

Aid to blue states.

Have you ever met a Republican who didn't love pork?

I'd REALLY like to know who keeps packing these emergency aid bills with pork. How are we to know the GOP isn't purposely sabotaging these things?


They're not that smart.
 
2013-01-13 07:57:45 PM  

quickdraw: cchris_39: No, I still need a good answer why local infrastructure shouldn't be paid for by local tax dollars.

Because anyone can use them.


No, I like the idea.  I live in a tourist town.  We can charge for every road they drive on, path they walk on, every poop they drop in our toilets...holy fark, we'll be rich!
 
2013-01-13 08:00:26 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: quickdraw: cchris_39: No, I still need a good answer why local infrastructure shouldn't be paid for by local tax dollars.

Because anyone can use them.

No, I like the idea.  I live in a tourist town.  We can charge for every road they drive on, path they walk on, every poop they drop in our toilets...holy fark, we'll be rich!


Conservatives -- for whom the plural of anecdote is data and reductio ad absurdum is unassailable truth.

We really need to take away your cars and hammers.
 
2013-01-13 08:01:31 PM  

cchris_39: No, I still need a good answer why local infrastructure shouldn't be paid for by local tax dollars. "Cuz we're big" is not an answer. If you're that big, then you have the money to pay for it


Because locals are not the only ones who use infrastructure.
 
2013-01-13 08:03:37 PM  
lh6.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-01-13 08:07:12 PM  
I think the principle at issue is that an injured party should be made whole but not put in a better position that he was in before the damage.  My car's bumper got smashed; insurance pays for a new bumper but not an engine overhaul too.
 
2013-01-13 08:09:18 PM  

hubiestubert: [lh6.googleusercontent.com image 387x382]


It's different. They're "job creators".
 
2013-01-13 08:09:51 PM  

cchris_39: Just get tired of them throwing tons of our money at every. single. thing......


Money is not the game token you imagine it to be. Money is an idea. It's a belief system.
 
2013-01-13 08:10:23 PM  

cchris_39: This is a state and local expense, 100%. If I live in a town of 4,000 people half way across the country why are my tax dollars going for this?


Oh, you mean, like...Joplin MO?

Keep being a dick, dickhead. We love to point and laugh at your tornado bootstrappiness...

You can farking starve, but your neighbors, I hope they're ok next time an F5 hits your neighborhood.
 
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