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(KATU)   The reason Windows 8 isn't catching on? Customers are "confused". I think the word they want is "baffled"   (katu.com) divider line 91
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2013-01-13 12:16:29 PM
10 votes:
Windows 8 is a fine OS, and it's suffering from a HUGE amount of fear-mongering and lie-spreading. People think of it as something other than what it is.

For example, Weeners - you're in NO WAY trapped in a touchscreen PC with Win8. It's just not true. I use it like a normal desktop PC, like I always have.
2013-01-13 12:18:48 PM
7 votes:
Microsoft makes shiatty products trying to force conumers to do what it wants them to do, gets absolutely murdered in the marketplace, reluctantly makes a good product with the features comsumers want, makes money, gets drunk and overconfident on the money, and starts the cycle again.
2013-01-13 01:40:51 PM
5 votes:
Win8 assumes most people can/are willing to learn how to use new/different things on their computer. This is a very bad assumption.
2013-01-13 01:34:27 PM
5 votes:

oh_please: LasersHurt: Holy shiat, guys, press the Windows key. There, everything's back the way it was.

It's so easy to use, and been completely stable. I don't know what has given you guys such trouble.

Except, "Where's the Start button on my desktop?"

"I'm in a program and can't get out of it!"

"How do I restart/shut down?"

"I don't know how to find a file"

"How do I get rid of all these buttons I never use? I don't want to go to HP.com or Ebay!"

...and on and on and on.

Metro is a solid interface for phones/tablets, but it's horribly clunky on an actual PC, Grandma will have to relearn everything. She may as well get an Apple.


It's not even a decent interface for phones or tablets since it lacks folders. It just keeps vomiting more icons onto your start screen.

fark I hate it. The interface is such bullshiat. Whar is control panel? I had to go hunting for it. Why don't things like printers want to install when i plug them in the computer again? is it 1995?
-Why'd I have to look up how to shut down programs online? No tutorial or anything?
-Why does the farking thing have two control panels, one that's useful and one for tweaking only settings related to the tile interface?
-Why can't i copy a tile which was created when a program was installed and make it a desktop icon?
-Why can't I use the computer for longer than a week before getting an email from Microsoft saying I've disconnected my Facebook account from Windows 8 and it can't feed me my facebook data on the live tiles? I did that on farking purpose, because I don't want anyone walking by the machine casually getting to read my facebook stuff.
-Why did I have to integrate my LIVE/Zune account as my primary login to the OS?
-Why is it that the "Weather" app which shows me live weather data for my city, when clicked, takes 15 seconds to farking load? IT JUST SHOWS THE farkING WEATHER.
-Why does the video app go find all the videos on my computer including the ones I really don't want other people watching (hint, naked women) so that anyone randomly clicking on that gets access to my entire porn library?

fark it. I'm going back to Windows 7 Home Premium.
2013-01-13 12:06:12 PM
5 votes:
I think they are trying to make the PC something it isn't and never will be.  A touch screen PC is uncomfortable.
2013-01-13 01:59:49 PM
4 votes:

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Mouse to the right of the screen, click gear icon, click power icon. It ain't rocket surgery.


*Sigh* For the class of users for whom "out of sight, out of mind" is a very real phenomenon, this is rocket surgery.

My MIL wants to know how to get to Home Shopping Network. She doesn't know Firefox from IE from Chrome. She doesn't want to. It would no more occur to her to go to a hidden Start button in the corner of her screen and start typing "firefox" in order to get to the Home Shopping Network than it would to run out in the middle of the street and scream "I WANT TO ORDER A NICE BLOUSE" into thin air.
2013-01-13 01:37:04 PM
4 votes:
LasersHurt
"Everything"? Relearn "Everything"? Just hit Start and start typing.

Which is completely different from how the majority of people use Windows. You have never done tech support for older people, have you? They don't generalize well when it comes to software. That is, they learn a specific set of steps to get to where they want to go. If the steps change, they often need to relearn the entire procedure. With Windows 8, they now need to learn a new interface or, at the very least, need to learn how to switch between them as they will do so rather often, by accident, with no idea how they got there or how to get back. Hit start and start typing? Many older people don't know what the names of their apps are, they merely recognize the icon or where on the screen it should be. I know many middle aged people who are scared to learn keyboard shortcuts, and you expect them to remember all of their program and document names?
2013-01-13 08:14:37 PM
3 votes:

Marine1: They're pissing off idiots. That's all. And to be honest, I don't care if idiots get pissed off.


You're not going to get far in business or in life without the support of idiots.

If you go out of your way to piss them off, you're one of them.
2013-01-13 05:08:22 PM
3 votes:
I am the service manager at a local computer shop and the host of a 1 hour tech/computer help radio show.

At my shop I have had 31 computers brought into the shop by owners asking us to remove windows 8 and put on windows 7. When offered to be trained on windows 8 for less than half the cost of having windows 7 installed, not a single customer was interested.

Last Friday, 2 laptops and a desktop, all different customers mind you, we're dropped of at our shop to have windows 8 removed and windows 7 installed.

That isn't mentioning the 5-10 calls a day to out shop by people asking how they perform simple tasks in there windows 8 computers. Nor the numerous calls by listener to the radio station asking for help with their new windows 8 computers

My experience is showing consumer either are confused by or hate windows 8.


Ymmv
2013-01-13 04:34:43 PM
3 votes:
I am just glad Microsoft doesn't design cars.

Yes, we replaced the steering wheel with 5 joysticks and since everyone loves touch screens we replaced the gas and brake pedals with touch sensors in your seat. Clench you left buttock for gas and clench your right buttocks to break.

And we removed the key ignition from the steering wheel column. It is now in the trunk, behind the spare tire.

Duh....
2013-01-13 01:47:49 PM
3 votes:

LasersHurt: DrgnMech: Win8 assumes most people can/are willing to learn how to use new/different things on their computer. This is a very bad assumption.

"No new things" will not fly long term, and everyone knows it. I don't know why they cry so much about change.


*shrug* I doubt forcing change onto them will make Win8 a winning OS. The market determines what's a good product. I mean, I'm sure it's a great OS and all (I have no idea, I've played with it like 5 minutes), but if you're running a business and your new product has this much bad publicity this quickly, someone dun goofed.
2013-01-13 01:45:02 PM
3 votes:

cmunic8r99: Let me know if you need any further help.


You don't need to help me, I'm just giving you the questions that EVERY SINGLE PERSON  has asked after using an earlier version of Windows. If everyone has to ask those questions to do simple tasks, it's wrong.
2013-01-13 01:38:14 PM
3 votes:

LasersHurt: oh_please: Metro is a solid interface for phones/tablets, but it's horribly clunky on an actual PC, Grandma will have to relearn everything.

"Everything"? Relearn "Everything"? Just hit Start and start typing. You'll find everything. That's just ONE thing to learn, and it works well. As far as adding or removing tiles, either just use the desktop like they're familiar with, or learn the one or two things necessary. It takes seconds.

I mean, there are a FEW things that are different, but it's not jarring because the core behind it all is the same.


For you, yes. I'm talking about the people who have worked with an XP unit for the last 6-10 years, it's finally died, and they go out and buy a new PC. There's a farkton of those people, and they'll have no idea where to begin. Remember when they removed the word "Start" from the Start button in Vista? Older folks went apeshiat.

There's no sense in making people jump through extra hoops in an effort to force your mobile OS down peoples throats. I've had 8 for a while, and sure, it's OK once you get used to it. But your average user will boot it up for the first time, see Mail, click on it thinking, "Ok, I'll set up my email", then is prompted to register with a Live account. "WTF? OK, don't want to do this...it won't leave? How do I get out of it? I DON'T KNOW!!!! NOTHING I'VE BEEN TAUGHT TO DO FOR ALL MY LIFE WORKS!"

Gamers, you know Games For Windows Live? This is the OS version of that.
2013-01-13 01:37:42 PM
3 votes:

LasersHurt: theorellior: LasersHurt: Just hit Start and start typing. You'll find everything.

So they've dumped the GUI in favor of the command line? Wow, I never thought I'd see the day.

Have you ever used Windows 8? Nothing you said makes sense.


I think his point was that if you have to use keyboard shortcuts and text entry to get things accomplished quickly, then your GUI is hopelessly broken.
2013-01-13 01:32:46 PM
3 votes:

LasersHurt: Just hit Start and start typing.


NOBODY LIKES THAT.
2013-01-13 01:25:10 PM
3 votes:

LasersHurt: Just hit Start and start typing. You'll find everything.


So they've dumped the GUI in favor of the command line? Wow, I never thought I'd see the day.
2013-01-13 12:19:41 PM
3 votes:
I just don't see the point of Windows 8. Windows 7 does everything I need it to, and NO case has been made to me as to what Windows 8 would get me.
2013-01-14 01:05:50 AM
2 votes:
I don't care how much you White Knight Windows 8, LasersHurt ... Clippy isn't gonna sleep with you.

/We get it ... everyone else is old and you're not
//Everyone's wrong and you're not
2013-01-13 08:59:44 PM
2 votes:

LasersHurt: Flint Ironstag:Except the "use a GUI that you have used for a decade and are familiar and comfortable with" option.

W8 does not give us the option, it is taking away options and trying to force users to use am interface designed for a touchscreen tablet on a desktop PC.

You're not trapped there. I barely use Metro at all, and I work and play on my PC pretty much the entire time I am awake. It's not a burden on my psyche. YMMV.


When you have built the worlds biggest software/OS company on providing a product used by millions of office drones who can barely understand the concept of right click then making you flagship product new and confusing is not a great move. Racing drivers brake with their left foot, but if Ford introduced a new car where that is all you could do then there'd be carnage on the streets. Because millions of people have spent years braking with their right foot.
Why change,unless there is a big advantage to doing so? Metro only offers an advantage to touchscreens, and they took away the main control of the desktop.

When you bring out a new product and the big "selling point" is "you can get used to it" rather than "It's better because..." then you have failed.
2013-01-13 08:12:51 PM
2 votes:

LasersHurt: You're saying totally subjective things that are nothing more than opinions, what do you want me to glean from that?


The Nielsen Norman Group (NN/g) has done some usability studies on Windows 8 and the results are not pretty.

Link goes to article.

The folks at NN/g are usability experts at the top of the field; their user studies concluded that Windows 8 was "weak" on tablets and "terrible" on PCs.
2013-01-13 06:54:42 PM
2 votes:

LasersHurt: I don't know why they cry so much about change.


Because you're a short-sighted prick who thinks everyone should be just like you?
2013-01-13 06:08:21 PM
2 votes:

LasersHurt: I just don't get it... "Do not change features of Windows. However, change is natural and happens sometimes. But don't do it to Windows."


Ford and GM manage to update their cars every few years and make them faster, quieter, safer and more comfortable. But they keep the gas and brake pedals, the steering wheel etc where everyone expects them to be.

What if Honda decided to "unify" their car and bike controls? Bought out their latest car that had handlebars, twist grip gas, hand brakes and foot operated gear change, and expected car drivers who had never driven a bike to work it out? Would you post "Jeez, it's not rocket science! To change gear just grip the lever on the handlebars and press that pedal with your foot! It's just as easy!"?

/Loves W8.
//With Classic Shell.
2013-01-13 04:05:25 PM
2 votes:

angrymacface: OMG IT'S DIFFERENT AND I CAN'T FUNCTION WITH DIFFERENT!

That's what you people sound like.


A fork with the tines all twisted is different too. That doesn't mean it's useful.
2013-01-13 03:30:58 PM
2 votes:
It's sad that a lot of people listen to trash talk of windows 8 without checking the sources of their information, most of which comes from sources owned or paid for by competitors.

Windows 8 is intended to pave the way for tablets becoming as powerful as laptops and eventually desktops in the near future. It is a little disconcerting seeing all those icons all over the Start Screen, but after you realize what is going on there is really little difference between it and windows 8. It also runs lighter than Windows 7 and has lower minimum requirements to run.

There are 4 important things to realize when switching to windows 8:
1) You are not required to have a touch screen! Though if you are using a laptop and like to use the touch pad, you can use the touch pad as if it was the screen for navigation.
2) The Start Button from previous incarnations of windows is gone and has been replaced with a Start Screen. All the programs you used to see in the Button are now on the Start Screen.
3) The Shutdown button has been moved to the Charms.
4) Click on your Desktop icon to get to the desktop. You will see little to no difference here from previous versions, other than the missing Start Button. You can freely drown it in links like most people do anyway and never need to use the Start Screen.

What I don't like about windows 8:
-The App version of Internet Explorer sucks monkey snot. Good thing I tend to use Firefox or Chrome.
-It requires you to have a Microsoft email account and to log into the computer with it in order to access the Skydrive features. It's a peeve of mine when anything requires you to log in using an Email account as those are easily found and then all hackers need is to guess/hack your password. Much better when they have to guess your login name as well.
-Converting to Windows 8 from an older version removes the icons from pre-Office 2010 documents. It's as if they are trying to convince you to convert to 2010... But easily fixable if you re-install your older version.
-One of the patches sent it into an infinite patching loop on reboot. Good thing the built-in imaging worked great so I could restore.

In summary, the changes compared to Windows 7 are insignificant, though if you never used 7 in the 1st place, whatever fears you had about going to Windows 7 are probably still in play. If you are a Mac user, please don't lie to people in an attempt to scare them. Those of us who actually know how to fix computers and try to genuinely help others with them know that 99.9% of Max users would find a way to electrocute themselves if they tried to dust out the inside of a computer.
2013-01-13 02:39:53 PM
2 votes:

LasersHurt: I just don't get it... "Do not change features of Windows. However, change is natural and happens sometimes. But don't do it to Windows."


Or, you know, you could stick with the real complaint instead of making things up...

If you're going to change things, change them for the better, don't change them just to change them.

I can't comment on it from any perspective but as a technical user who uses it to manage Server installations, but from that perspective, it's complete dildoes and I would love to kick the head of interface design straight on in the nuts.

I manage servers. I need to type a lot. I need to move between many different applications quickly. The Start menu was great for that because I could just organize them in nice little nested, organized trees.

I can't comment on the home versions, just Server and Professional. As a work OS, it's easily the worst OS I've ever seen. I'm actually working on migrating a large number of servers off of Windows because it's such complete garbage.

Sadly, I can't move all of them, so I'm stuck with the Windows "Touch Yourself" interface for the foreseeable future.

/ 2008 R2 was apparently as good as Windows is going to get....
2013-01-13 02:31:58 PM
2 votes:
The annoying part is I'll now have to wait one more generation before upgrading my laptop because I won't be able to find a current gen machine with Windows 7 installed.

Most online shops still offer Windows 7 as an option. Hubby just bought a computer over X-mas with it on.


"No new things" will not fly long term, and everyone knows it. I don't know why they cry so much about change.

People cry so much when there is change because they have to stop what they are working on, learn the new system and then figure out what of their past work needs to be changed or thrown out and rewritten. They then need to make a mental note to do things the new way. They will forget the new way due to force of habit and get themselves messed up for a few months afterwards. While this is acceptable if the change is necessary, having to go through this because Microsoft wants to put out a new version is unacceptable. Hint to software developers: Your software is not the most important thing in my day. In fact I like it best when I don't have to think about it at all. You make me take time from my priorities to have to deal with you and I am less likely to use your product in the future.
2013-01-13 02:01:54 PM
2 votes:

Princess Ryans Knickers: So you admit it's non-intuitive with hidden UI elements and the ones that aren't hidden have had extra steps added to them to reduce productivity? Oh wait, that was Microsoft openly admitting that a few weeks ago. Literally admitting it.


This. I've never understood the concept of taking a graphic user interface, which is visual by its very nature, and making things invisible by default.
2013-01-13 01:41:18 PM
2 votes:
Confused, all right.  Confused as to why they think people want touchscreen EVERYTHING.  I can't stand touch screens.  It'll never be as exact as a mouse, period.  And that's before we talk about how they are trying to push tablets, and giving the option to buy a keyboard to go with it.  Also known as... oh ya, A FARKING NOTEBOOK. (One with much less memory than what most people need, FWIW.)

I need a laptop.  I need one with a shiatload of memory.  I don't need touchscreen.  I don't need to do 90% of what you see people doing in Windows commercials, at least not in the way they do it.  My laptop is currently almost 2-1/2 years old.  If it dies before the next generation, I'm sure as shiat having my best friend (a computer geek who feels the exact same way about 8 as I do) re-image it in a crack-addict's heartbeat.
2013-01-13 01:40:25 PM
2 votes:
i can pretty much tell you why Windows Client UI group ignored all the apeshiat negative user feedback: User reaction to the ribbon UI in office.


that and i think they're just arrogant farktards based on my interaction with their PMs (my teams PMs were farking pissed at their attitude).

I work on server, don't blame me

(on a touch device the new UI is fine.)
2013-01-13 01:26:31 PM
2 votes:

doglover: LasersHurt: Windows 8 is a fine OS, and it's suffering from a HUGE amount of fear-mongering and lie-spreading. People think of it as something other than what it is.

For example, Weeners - you're in NO WAY trapped in a touchscreen PC with Win8. It's just not true. I use it like a normal desktop PC, like I always have.

Uh huh. But I can get Linux FOR FREE.

You want your OS to be adopted? Stop charging for it.


You's trollin.
2013-01-13 01:17:20 PM
2 votes:

LasersHurt: Holy shiat, guys, press the Windows key. There, everything's back the way it was.

It's so easy to use, and been completely stable. I don't know what has given you guys such trouble.


Except, "Where's the Start button on my desktop?"

"I'm in a program and can't get out of it!"

"How do I restart/shut down?"

"I don't know how to find a file"

"How do I get rid of all these buttons I never use? I don't want to go to HP.com or Ebay!"

...and on and on and on.

Metro is a solid interface for phones/tablets, but it's horribly clunky on an actual PC, Grandma will have to relearn everything. She may as well get an Apple.
2013-01-13 12:41:38 PM
2 votes:
BTW when is Microsoft gonna deliver on the full-audit-trailing file system they've been promising since a few OSes ago?
2013-01-13 12:33:09 PM
2 votes:
Microsoft is desperately trying to gain market share down the road in mobile devices. The thinking is that "they'll get over it", and when it comes time to buy the next tablet or phone, they'll go with Windows because they're already used to the interface. The fact that they're risking pissing off an established customer base shows how desperate they are. It's a huge gamble, and it'll be interesting to see if it pays off.

In the meantime, if you have a parent who just got a Win8 computer, install ClassicShell. You're welcome.
2013-01-13 12:30:46 PM
2 votes:
Holy shiat, guys, press the Windows key. There, everything's back the way it was.

It's so easy to use, and been completely stable. I don't know what has given you guys such trouble.
2013-01-13 12:27:33 PM
2 votes:

LasersHurt: Windows 8 is a fine OS, and it's suffering from a HUGE amount of fear-mongering and lie-spreading. People think of it as something other than what it is.

For example, Weeners - you're in NO WAY trapped in a touchscreen PC with Win8. It's just not true. I use it like a normal desktop PC, like I always have.


It is crap on top of crap.  I got to where I was just installing it on a virtual I broke it so many times trying to fix its look and feel to match a regualr users expectations.  They always said im just gonna return it or how much is windows 7.  Many regular older apps take a dump on it.  Stuff your never gonna get someone who only knows how to use it that one way is gonna put up with.  As far as I'm concerned its millenium  III.
2013-01-13 12:14:25 PM
2 votes:
The annoying part is I'll now have to wait one more generation before upgrading my laptop because I won't be able to find a current gen machine with Windows 7 installed.
2013-01-15 03:31:05 PM
1 votes:
So what have we learned here?

1: Win 8 is not such a terrible system for most power users, unfortunately, most users defending Win 8 admitted that it was not a pleasant experience at first (aside from a few MS shills).

2: It's horribly unintuitive for anyone who has used a Windows machine for a while. If you have to Google how to do basic tasks, such as close a farking program, that's a problem.

3. If you've never used a computer in your life, you may like it, because there's nothing to unlearn.

4. The Linux folks just aren't trolling like they used to.

5. Tech support people are actively encouraging their clients to stay away from 8, because they don't want the farking nightmares.

6. Win 8 is sorta like a car that either doesn't have a steering wheel...or has the pedals in the wrong place...or GODDAMNIT NANA PRESS THE FARKING WINDOWS KEY LIKE I TOLD YOU TEN TIMES...WHAT ARE YOU PRESSING? NO, THE ONE NEXT TO ALT...NO, THAT'S THE SPACEBAR! LOOK, YOU KNOW I LOVE YOU AND I'M YOUR SPECIAL LITTLE PUNKIN BUT GODDAMNARRRGH
2013-01-14 04:33:01 PM
1 votes:

Marine1: oh_please: Flint Ironstag: Why didn't they leave the Start button and menu in the classic desktop and have Metro as an option?

Because MS is desperate for market share in phones/tablets, and by forcing a mobile UI to the PC crowd, is gambling that they'll stay with it down the road. It might work.

In the meantime, they're pissing off a whole lot of people.

They're pissing off idiots. That's all. And to be honest, I don't care if idiots get pissed off.


I would love to know who you develop for, so I can go out of my way to never, ever buy one of their products. What a sanctimonious prick you are. "The whole world hates W8, except for me and the 2 other shills in this thread? Clearly the problem is with the world!"
2013-01-14 10:03:15 AM
1 votes:
Ok. Sell me on Windows 8. What makes it worth the money to upgrade from Win7 'Home Premium'? The machine plays video games (mainly DX9 ones), my browser is Chrome, I use Gmail for e-mail...

Beyond the interface change, sell me Windows 8, what makes it worth the money compared to my existing Win7 license?
2013-01-14 04:06:19 AM
1 votes:
Telos: It was hyperbole, however there already is gigantic market demand for tablets: http://www.pcworld.com/article/260183/windows_pc_sales_hit_a_low_as_ta blet_sales_soar_in_q2_canalys_says.html

Tablets are already starting "eat into" PC sales. Another article predicts that by 2016 tablet sales will overtake laptops: http://venturebeat.com/2012/08/15/tablet-computer-sales-will-overtake- notebooks-by-2016/

In fact, Gizmodo's report on laptops at CES this year is "What laptops?" http://gizmodo.com/5975016/the-best-laptops-of-ces-2013-what-laptops

Face it. Dying breed.


Sales is one thing. Machines in use is way different. Sales of tablets are rocketing because they are new and the change in features and spec year to year is significant while PCs and laptops have matured and there is little reason to throw away a two year old laptop for this years model.

Sales of PCs have slumped because there are millions out there that do not need replacing, not because people are getting rid of them. Most tablet sales are for people to use away from where they use their PC or laptop, be it on the train or on the sofa. Tablets are in addition to their "main" computer. If you can fine anyone who has actually thrown away their PC or laptop and is now using a tablet only I will be quite surprised.

In short, PCs and laptops will still be around for a long time.
2013-01-14 02:40:59 AM
1 votes:
Keep your head in the clouds, kid. You're not the first, you won't be the last.
I'm basing my prediction on experience. Yeah, I know that never means shiat to people who don't have it. You think you know it all and just can't be wrong. I was like that once.

I'll be sitting by the river and wave when you float by.
2013-01-14 12:45:13 AM
1 votes:
Windows 8 is the latest of a long line of blunders by Microsoft that have confused the public. I know, because I deal with the public every day at my computer business, and did working in the industry before striking out on my own. Launching an OS called Windows 2000 and another called Windows Millennium at about the same time confused people. They used the names interchangeably, and had no idea which one they really meant. Then, they launched Windows XP and Office XP at the same time, adding to the mistaken impression the public had, and still has, that Word and Excel are included in Windows, not sold separately in a product called Office.

With Vista, removing unwanted software became a pain as add/remove programs, at the top of the list because it began with "A" was buried in the middle of a list when it became programs and features. Settings being renamed personalize was equally stupid. Even shutting down was a pain, as the power button on the start menu only puts it in standby, rather than shutting off as simple common sense would clearly dictate.

Now, nothing about how a use a PC means a damn thing any more. With Windows 8, everything has changed for no reason, and even seasoned vets need to go get a For Dummies book. It is counterintuitive and clumsy. Even if you leave metro and go to the "classic desktop", they broke it by taking away pull-down menus and forcing the ribbon on us!

Microsoft operates in an ivy tower, and has no idea how the public uses computers. That is why they can't do anything right. If we had better alternatives than Mac, an obscenely expensive boutique product, and Linux, 1000 different versions by a million undirected tinkerers, Microsoft would have gone belly up a long time ago.
2013-01-13 11:45:27 PM
1 votes:
There is a Microsoft employee who just did a Reddit AMA (Ask Me Anything) who after listing some of the additions to Windows 8 admitted:

For a desktop user these may not be compelling reasons to upgrade

Link
2013-01-13 11:18:16 PM
1 votes:
Payroll is due tomorrow. While the accounting department was out to lunch we replaced their desktop PCs with tablets running the new Windows 8 operating system. Let's see if they notice.
2013-01-13 11:06:37 PM
1 votes:

Telos: PC's are also a dying breed.


Maybe for home users who want to surf the internet and read their email this is true. For people who use their computers to do actual work, not so much.

Laptops are just underpowered PCs that have sacrificed having a decent keyboard and large screen for the sake of portability.

Tablets are great for taking to meetings or giving one-on-one presentations but are otherwise unsuited for the vast majority of business applications.
2013-01-13 10:47:12 PM
1 votes:
if it ain't broke don't fix it
gad
2013-01-13 09:53:47 PM
1 votes:

LasersHurt: Windows 8 is a fine OS, and it's suffering from a HUGE amount of fear-mongering and lie-spreading. People think of it as something other than what it is.

For example, Weeners - you're in NO WAY trapped in a touchscreen PC with Win8. It's just not true. I use it like a normal desktop PC, like I always have.


You know, I saw your Boobies then thought you might be a Windows employed troll, but really I only counted like 33 responses from you in this thread all white knighting a remarkably lame operating system which is built for a tablet and forced onto a desktop. When you have to 'figure out' how to get it to work the way you want then it's built wrong, it's bad design fixing things that weren't broken with the only 'good thing' being that it's faster than it's predecessor which should be the goal and not the one thing that is good about the system. It's just a sad useless effort and your money Microsoft would have been better spent in innovation instead of insipid and endless commercials designed to tell us we like something we clearly don't like. That saturation bombing with commercials didn't work with Romney and it had never worked with anything Windows has done. What has worked is when you produce a decent operating system. Try that next time.
2013-01-13 08:47:04 PM
1 votes:

Marine1: The Windows Start Button had its place and its time. Now, we've got a new paradigm for usage coming in, and Microsoft is adapting to it. I like it, personally: not everything is best done in a Win32 application. Some stuff is better. Windows 8 gives us options. Computer manufacturers are being forced to actually innovate and think of new ways to do things. I see nothing wrong with this.


Except the "use a GUI that you have used for a decade and are familiar and comfortable with" option.

W8 does not give us the option, it is taking away options and trying to force users to use am interface designed for a touchscreen tablet on a desktop PC.

Tablets you hold in your hand. A touchscreen is a logical and easy way to control them.

You do not hold the monitor of a desktop PC in your hands. It is too high, too far away and too big and your hands are on or near the keyboard and mouse on which most people do most of their work.

All these people thinking using a touchscreen on their PC makes sense clearly work at McDonalds and are happy with the screen having big pictures of a Big Mac, a cheeseburger and fries etc and think that is the way to use a PC.

/Idiotocracy got it right with their medical input screen.
2013-01-13 08:36:14 PM
1 votes:

syrynxx: when I can't do something in a GUI and the response is "here's how you use your keyboard to do it", that is a hugely embarrassing design failure.


Can I just quote THIS for truth? Because it bears repeating.
2013-01-13 07:53:38 PM
1 votes:

LasersHurt: MOST of the hate comes from people who haven't even tried it


Most of the hate I've seen comes from people who buy a new PC, and can't figure out how to do basic tasks. The UI is crap.
2013-01-13 07:33:22 PM
1 votes:

CujoQuarrel: What is the improvement from 7 to 8?

What do I get for the investment of my time in learning a new GUI.

And being 'faster' is not the answer. It could have been made faster and not changed the interface.

I haven't been hands on for more than a few minutes so I really haven't seen any improvements but there must be some.

1) I hate things that work by mouse overs. Annoying as hell.
2) I do not want to type the name of a program to run it. If I wanted to do that I'd use a CLI. Most of the time I can't remember the name of the program.
3) I do not want my GUI elements rearranging them selfs without me directly moving them [Not counting adding new software type rearrangements]. I truly detested the 'smart menus'. I remember things spatially so I want things to stay where I put them.

The 'Start' button works ok. I don't see the putting everything on the desktop as an improvement.

And the killer problem for 'Metro' is that you can't resize your windows to your own preferences. That right there means I would never use it


You don't have to use Metro if you don't want to. I mean, really. I'm not just saying that.
2013-01-13 07:15:11 PM
1 votes:

Flint Ironstag: What does Metro actually add? Mirrors, windscreens and seatbelts all added a useful function. What does removing Start and adding Metro actually add?


To continue the car analogy, Windows 8 is a car which has had it's gas pedal, brake pedal and steering wheel replaced with a theremin.

And yes, while you may someday learn how to wave your hands around in just the right way make this car move where you want it to go, NOBODY HAS TIME FOR THAT. We've got places to be, and not a lot of time to get there, and this clunky excuse for a control scheme is just getting in the way.

Is it any wonder that the general consensus is that windows 8 is a lemon?

Ever heard the phrase "if it ain't broke, don't fix it?"

It wasn't broke. Why did you idiots try to "fix" it?
2013-01-13 07:14:59 PM
1 votes:

LasersHurt: I just don't get the fact that people are UPSET that they have to learn something new about a computer OS.


It's not that they have to learn something new, it's that they have to learn something new that is both non intuitive as previous iterations were, and was changed for pretty much no reason other than to be able to release a new OS they can charge folks for. I just don't get the fact that you're so obtuse as to not understand this despite it being explained numerous times. Fix what's broken and can use improvement, leave what works alone. What's so hard about that?
2013-01-13 06:48:58 PM
1 votes:

Telos: What if Honda decided to "unify" their car and bike controls? Bought out their latest car that had handlebars, twist grip gas, hand brakes and foot operated gear change, and expected car drivers who had never driven a bike to work it out? Would you post "Jeez, it's not rocket science! To change gear just grip the lever on the handlebars and press that pedal with your foot! It's just as easy!"?

/Loves W8.
//With Classic Shell.

Let's put it another way. The original cars had no mirrors, windshields, or seatbelts and you had to turn a crank in the back in order to get them to start. Should cars still look like that, just so we don't change the UI?


Mirrors help you see, and were an addition. Windshields keep your face from freezing and were an addition. Seatbelts save your life and were an addition.

Removing the start button, and its hierarchical program menu, is taking away a feature.

What does Metro actually add? Mirrors, windscreens and seatbelts all added a useful function. What does removing Start and adding Metro actually add?
2013-01-13 06:37:31 PM
1 votes:

drjekel_mrhyde: LasersHurt: Holy shiat, guys, press the Windows key. There, everything's back the way it was.

It's so easy to use, and been completely stable. I don't know what has given you guys such trouble.

But but I have to spend 20 minutes to learn something


If you have to spend 20 minutes learning it, it's a failure of design. You shouldn't have to "learn" it the way you "learned" your times tables. You should find it naturally progressing.

It's one reason i think iOS is the brightest thing ever thought up - a 2 year old can learn it. That's intuitive, human-based design. It's what Windows 8 isn't.
2013-01-13 06:32:49 PM
1 votes:
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This is what your desktop looks like after easily switching from default. Which leads me to wonder why so many people are whining about Metro or whatever it's officially called. YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE IT!!!

Granted, this only applies to OEM. I sure has hell wouldn't purchase 8 outright; no reason to. But I also wouldn't hold on buying a new computer until the next OS is out. You're only hurting yourself that way.

There is nothing wrong with 8. That also means there's no reason to upgrade. But don't fear it just because it's on the laptop you want to buy.
2013-01-13 06:00:02 PM
1 votes:

LasersHurt: The complaint this keeps boiling down to is "anything is different at all, and any learning at all makes it a bad OS." I think that's lazy, because it takes literally SECONDS to learn what to do, and the OS outside of these few new things is great.


Do any of the changes make sense from a user point of view? Do they enhance the user experience? Do they make the workflow more efficient? Honest question. I haven't used Win 8 yet, but from what I can surmise from reviews posted online, the main criticisms boil down to this: the changes might make sense from a long-term business strategy point of view, but the end user doesn't benefit at all. So what's your opinion on the changes from a user standpoint?
2013-01-13 05:21:29 PM
1 votes:
You know what task oriented enterprise software end users really enjoy? That's right, re-learning how to use their operating system, because the operating system on their desktop at work is the most important priority they have.

"It's even better than the introduction of ribbon menu's," said Suzy in Accounting. "I can't wait for them to alphabetize the keyboard so everyone will be able to type!"
2013-01-13 04:50:12 PM
1 votes:
Not just our parents & grandparents are having trouble with it.

I have a college aged friend who was nearly in tears trying to figure out how to work her new touch screen laptop during the first 48 hours she had it.  Then she moved on to wanting to set it on fire.  Lots of angry and frustrated messages from her during that week.
After about a week it simmered down to quiet resentment.
I'm a mac user so I'm not really familiar with windows and wasn't much help.

Don't these companies test drive their systems on people outside their bubble?   A test batch of old people and young people should make it easier to spot the rough edges that need to be smoothed *before* the product hits the shelves.  Or am I just crazily naive on this?
2013-01-13 04:35:37 PM
1 votes:

doglover: Microsoft makes shiatty products trying to force conumers to do what it wants them to do, gets absolutely murdered in the marketplace, reluctantly makes a good product with the features comsumers want, makes money, gets drunk and overconfident on the money, and starts the cycle again.


So many farking times THIS it's not even funny. That's all they will ever do with that idiot Ballmer in charge.
2013-01-13 04:21:04 PM
1 votes:
All they had to do was have an option for Windows 7 style interface. They didn't, and now won't implement one because they could never admit they were wrong. It's sad.
2013-01-13 04:14:00 PM
1 votes:

Bungles: Windows 8 is here for 4 or 5 years.

Computers will doing nothing but become more touchscreeny in the next 5 years. It's a decision Microsoft had to make.

It's a little like Apple ditching the cd-drive. Looked a bit barmy for the first year, then it was clearly to right design choice to have made.


True, but it's an over designed interface.

Rather than try to reinvent the wheel, Apple is essentially slowly converging OSX with iOS through adding things like Launchpad and the notification center. It seems likely that they'll converge with OSXI, which will run on all Apple devices (I suppose it's just a matter of time until they're sticking Intel chips into the iPads).
2013-01-13 03:41:45 PM
1 votes:

LasersHurt: But how do you prove it's unnecessary? By what metrics do you measure the necessity of such a thing?

I will agree that a simple option to disable it and use a Start Menu would have been easy to make, and very popular with users who don't like change. I can't for the life of me imagine why they were such sticklers about not adding such an option


Does said change do anything to improve ease of use? Does it use an excessive amount of resources the way Aero did with Vista initially? Does it do anything besides look nicer? Does it make the computer operate more efficiently? Does the feature make your machine more secure, or more vulnerable?

Look at Windows ever since the switch to 64 bit architecture. Other than CPU and Ram usage and some security features that are inherent with 64 bit architecture what do any of the features that come with Vista, 7 and 8 accomplish? Not a damn thing other than forcing users to adapt to different menu styles and making it look prettier. Prettier can be ok as long as it's not a resource hog, but changing menu systems and style for anything other than a more intuitive system is foolish. Like I said before, software should revolve around adapting to the user base, not user base adapting to software.
2013-01-13 03:19:44 PM
1 votes:

Bungles: Computers will doing nothing but become more touchscreeny in the next 5 years. It's a decision Microsoft had to make.


People have been saying that for fifteen years and it hasn't happened, not on the desktop. People will continue to move to phones and tablets, I'm sure, but there's a reason other vendors like Apple don't have one unified interface for their traditional and handheld platforms: it's stupid. People who are using a computer at desk aren't usually playing angry birds, they're typing memos and things like that. And, I'm sorry, but the mouse is much easier to use than a touchscreen at a desk. Constantly reaching up and over the edge of the desk to manipulate the interface between typing is annoying and slow. Think about highlighting text, for example, to put an underline on it. Which is easier, click and hold the mouse right next to your keyboard and go right back to typing or fumble with a multitouch screen trying to get your selection right?

I just do not understand the point... you don't use a desktop like a tablet. It makes no sense to have the same interface on both. Which is why nobody else does it.

LasersHurt: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Did they do testing that determined this design change improved customer experience?

... no, nobody at Microsoft tested this at all.


You asked, not me. I would assume if you want to know where the value in the change lies Microsoft would be the entity to ask, not us. AFAIK Microsoft has never really offered any clear explanation for why they did this beyond their suggestions that they think it will make it easier for people to work across traditional and handheld devices.
2013-01-13 03:10:41 PM
1 votes:

LasersHurt: But how do you prove it's unnecessary? By what metrics do you measure the necessity of such a thing?


I don't know, ask the people who deemed it necessary and are now watching their OS flounder in the market. It's their job to figure it out, not mine.

Did anybody ask for this? Did they do testing that determined this design change improved customer experience?

When it comes down to it, it's all about the benjamins, and, by that metric, it seems those of us poo-pooing their design are the ones who are right. Unless Windows 8 enjoys a sudden and unexpected surge in sales it sure seems like people either outright hate it or, at least, don't see any value in it.

styckx: Windows 8 is fine, I love it actually. What I farking hate is how many software developers are telling end users to get bent and that they aren't supporting Windows 8 and you're an asshole for installing it.


Meh. That happens with every new release. The only real way to avoid that nonsense, especially with some hardware vendors and their drivers (I'm glaring at you HP) is to wait until the first service pack is released and the software and hardware vendors have no real choice anymore but to support it.

Of course, as slow as Windows 8 is selling, maybe that isn't going to happen this time....
2013-01-13 03:08:14 PM
1 votes:

LasersHurt: But how do you prove it's unnecessary? By what metrics do you measure the necessity of such a thing?


Is that really hard? Productivity is a measurable thing.
2013-01-13 03:04:12 PM
1 votes:

LasersHurt: Have you considered icons on the desktop? No clicks at all for all of your little icons.


If that were an equivalent I could do it with the start menu using groups. It's the loss of the nesting structure that's a problem. One example would be my PBX shortcut. On the Windows start menu I could highlight the icon and it would display a list of my recent config files that I loaded (like the Steam shortcut does with games, as an example). To duplicate that, I'd have to create four different PBX shortcuts, one for each file.

Regardless, like many, many other admins, I've simply learned a shiatton of the windows keyboard shortcuts I never used before and .msc files so now I just use the keyboard for everything. That and the pseudo-quicklaunch feature (which the assholes disabled by default to boot for no apparent reason...).

Which brings us back to the point: don't change shiat unless you're making it better. It seems to me that if you have to abandon the pointing device to remain productive, maybe your touch interface isn't really that great. Windows Vista/7 was a step backwards in interface design. 8 pushes it off the damn cliff.
What it comes down to is that pushing a consumer-oriented design philosophy into a Server OS and a Professional OS is just stupid.

/ no, I will not buy one of your phones to manage my datacenter, Microsoft...
2013-01-13 02:58:25 PM
1 votes:

LasersHurt: I just don't get it... "Do not change features of Windows. However, change is natural and happens sometimes. But don't do it to Windows."


There's change, and there's unnecessary change. Sure make things faster, make things more intuitive. Don't change what doesn't need it. Garbage like Aero or Metro is unnecessary and change just for change's sake and to make things prettier, and in Aero's case (at least initially) waste computer resources to do so. I can't speak for Metro's resource use since I haven't bothered testing Windows 8 yet. Personally I disabled the vast majority of Aero's features in 7, and I know plenty of other moderately advanced computer users who also do so. A number of those same people say 8 is much the same with Metro, disable a number of the features and change the settings and it's not that bad. So in cases like that, why make those changes at all if it takes disabling them to make the computer perform in a way the user is comfortable with? The software should be adapted to people, not people adapting to the software.
2013-01-13 02:51:10 PM
1 votes:

LasersHurt: What? You can use everything just as you did before, and that's a failure? Because everyone should want Metro? That doesn't make any sense.


If the main selling point of Windows 8 is Metro, then everyone should want to use Metro. You shouldn't need to use it the way you were before the upgrade because it defeats the point.
2013-01-13 02:47:47 PM
1 votes:

WxAxGxS: There were plenty of improvements from 2003 to 2007/2010, but that ribbon is the worst possible change for a user who does anything but make middle school quality presentations.


I upgraded to the new office a couple years ago (at least 4), and I STILL can't find anything on the farking ribbon. I use office every single day. its awful.
2013-01-13 02:39:23 PM
1 votes:

Bungles: Windows is still a thousand times easier to use than any Mac OS variant (still have no idea what I'm doing when unexpectedly plonked on a Mac, after 15 years of it happening). Its ease of use is simply a marketing lie if you want to do anything even borderline complex.


This is an official Windows 8 Sucks(SM) thread. That troll is only authorized for Apple and Linux threads.
2013-01-13 02:35:25 PM
1 votes:

Ivandrago: I don't want to upgrade to Windows 8 because I know how to hide my porn and browsing from my wife in Windows 7 and I don't want to have relearn how to do it and risk making a mistake.


TrueCrypt + portable browser on TrueCrypt volume = no worries.

Add a hardware token like this one and you don't need to worry about someone gaining access by guessing the password.

/works for non-porn things too
//has way too many smartcards and tokens lying around the house
2013-01-13 02:32:36 PM
1 votes:
OMG IT'S DIFFERENT AND I CAN'T FUNCTION WITH DIFFERENT!

That's what you people sound like.
2013-01-13 02:26:12 PM
1 votes:
I have been a computer user since the Commodore Pet days. Over the years I have relearned many things to keep up with operating system improvements.  There are still things that I think are easier to do from DOS than Windows, but such is life.

In general, I don't mind relearning things when there is some motivation.

But this is where I think Microsoft is falling down. There seems to be a lot of change just for the sake of making change. I've played around with Windows8 a little bit, and while things are "different", it doesn't strike me as impossible to learn.

The question is why. I honestly don't see what Windows8 does for me to pay be back for relearning stuff I can already do in my sleep. FWIW, I think most Microsoft Office programs suffer from the same ailment.
2013-01-13 02:09:36 PM
1 votes:

oh_please: cmunic8r99: Let me know if you need any further help.

You don't need to help me, I'm just giving you the questions that EVERY SINGLE PERSON  has asked after using an earlier version of Windows. If everyone has to ask those questions to do simple tasks, it's wrong.


When they changed the UI from Windows XP to the Vista/7 UI, I got similar complaints. They figured it out or asked for help.

When they introduced the Ribbon in Office 2007, people biatched about it, too. Yet, I don't think it slowed adoption much, and the interface has stuck around for a while.

Frankly, I'm glad MS put that UI in Windows 8. OEMs weren't going to put touchscreens on laptops & displays unless there was a UI available that's made for it. Now that there is, you see a ton more touchscreens. And I think that's a good thing.
2013-01-13 02:03:04 PM
1 votes:

Princess Ryans Knickers: So you admit it's non-intuitive with hidden UI elements and the ones that aren't hidden have had extra steps added to them to reduce productivity? Oh wait, that was Microsoft openly admitting that a few weeks ago. Literally admitting it.


LasersHurt and  Chim completely missed the point here. Thanks for clarifying.
2013-01-13 01:58:49 PM
1 votes:

cmunic8r99: oh_please: LasersHurt: Holy shiat, guys, press the Windows key. There, everything's back the way it was.

It's so easy to use, and been completely stable. I don't know what has given you guys such trouble.

Except, "Where's the Start button on my desktop?"

In the lower left corner where it always was.

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There's likely one on your keyboard, too.

"I'm in a program and can't get out of it!"

Alt-Tab, Alt-F4, Click Start, hit the start button on the keyboard...

"How do I restart/shut down?"

Press CTRL+ALT+DELETE and click the power button. Or touch the power button on the computer.

"I don't know how to find a file"

On the Start screen (see above on how to find it), start typing your search criteria. Click the Files icon on the right.

Or, from the Start screen, open Windows Explorer, and search the same way as before.

"How do I get rid of all these buttons I never use? I don't want to go to HP.com or Ebay!"

Right-click, choose Uninstall.

...and on and on and on.

Metro is a solid interface for phones/tablets, but it's horribly clunky on an actual PC, Grandma will have to relearn everything. She may as well get an Apple.

Let me know if you need any further help.


So you admit it's non-intuitive with hidden UI elements and the ones that aren't hidden have had extra steps added to them to reduce productivity? Oh wait, that was Microsoft openly admitting that a few weeks ago. Literally admitting it.
2013-01-13 01:58:21 PM
1 votes:
I don't want to upgrade to Windows 8 because I know how to hide my porn and browsing from my wife in Windows 7 and I don't want to have relearn how to do it and risk making a mistake.
2013-01-13 01:54:06 PM
1 votes:

LasersHurt: I literally support people for a living.

The complaint this keeps boiling down to is "anything is different at all, and any learning at all makes it a bad OS." I think that's lazy, because it takes literally SECONDS to learn what to do, and the OS outside of these few new things is great.


BS: You've never tried to teach a grandma to cut-and-paste.
2013-01-13 01:48:57 PM
1 votes:
Does people who used Windows 7 and get paralyzed by Windows 8 also get paralyzed by jeans with a button up fly when their other pants used to have zippers? Or by velcro instead of shoelaces?
2013-01-13 01:48:00 PM
1 votes:

oh_please: LasersHurt: Holy shiat, guys, press the Windows key. There, everything's back the way it was.

It's so easy to use, and been completely stable. I don't know what has given you guys such trouble.

Except, "Where's the Start button on my desktop?"


Lower left corner. Where it always has been. It just vanishes when you aren't using it now. Kinda like if you had "hide the taskbar" enabled.

"I'm in a program and can't get out of it!"

What? No, seriously. What? Alt-F4, the corner X icon, and alt-tab are still there.

"How do I restart/shut down?"

Mouse to the right of the screen, click gear icon, click power icon. It ain't rocket surgery.

"I don't know how to find a file"

Again, what? Explorer is still there, and they didn't hide it anywhere obscure. It's a button on the goddamn taskbar by default. Or you can search from the start screen by just typing the name, which is 1000 times faster than searching through folders.

"How do I get rid of all these buttons I never use? I don't want to go to HP.com or Ebay!"

...and on and on and on.


Right mouse button, motherfarker. Do you have one?

Metro is a solid interface for phones/tablets, but it's horribly clunky on an actual PC, Grandma will have to relearn everything. She may as well get an Apple.

You haven't actually used W8, have you? Quit spreading FUD. You barely have to even use the Metro interface if you don't like it, 99% of stuff, including all advanced system tasks, are done through the desktop, and the 1% where you do interact with Metro, beats the fark out of the old start menu. Chasing nested menus around the screen drove me bugfark nuts, but if you want them that badly, there's classicshell.

And for the record, my mother, who is the poster child for computer illiteracy, bought a new windows 8 laptop and she was up and running in no time, knew exactly how to get along with it.
2013-01-13 01:39:20 PM
1 votes:

oh_please: LasersHurt: Holy shiat, guys, press the Windows key. There, everything's back the way it was.

It's so easy to use, and been completely stable. I don't know what has given you guys such trouble.

Except, "Where's the Start button on my desktop?"


In the lower left corner where it always was.

dumbimages.net

There's likely one on your keyboard, too.

"I'm in a program and can't get out of it!"

Alt-Tab, Alt-F4, Click Start, hit the start button on the keyboard...

"How do I restart/shut down?"

Press CTRL+ALT+DELETE and click the power button. Or touch the power button on the computer.

"I don't know how to find a file"

On the Start screen (see above on how to find it), start typing your search criteria. Click the Files icon on the right.

Or, from the Start screen, open Windows Explorer, and search the same way as before.

"How do I get rid of all these buttons I never use? I don't want to go to HP.com or Ebay!"

Right-click, choose Uninstall.

...and on and on and on.

Metro is a solid interface for phones/tablets, but it's horribly clunky on an actual PC, Grandma will have to relearn everything. She may as well get an Apple.


Let me know if you need any further help.
2013-01-13 01:33:32 PM
1 votes:
I downloaded win 8 pro and it does take some getting used to. But the more I use it the more I actually like it. Also got the new windows phone which I really like. Took k me about a week coming from an android to get the gist of it. Basically give it some time and a little trial and error it works fine and I'm cool with it. \not a Microsoft paid shill
2013-01-13 01:33:27 PM
1 votes:

LouDobbsAwaaaay: I'm confused as to why I would pay for another Windows OS so soon, if that helps.


If you have Windows 7? I wouldn't bother, unless you found a good sale or something.
2013-01-13 01:32:03 PM
1 votes:

LasersHurt: Have you ever used Windows 8? Nothing you said makes sense.


I was snarking on the idea that in order to find anything on a windows-oriented graphic user interface your first recommendation was to start typing. In other words, a joke, hahahaha, laugh.
2013-01-13 01:26:03 PM
1 votes:

theorellior: LasersHurt: Just hit Start and start typing. You'll find everything.

So they've dumped the GUI in favor of the command line? Wow, I never thought I'd see the day.


Have you ever used Windows 8? Nothing you said makes sense.
2013-01-13 01:21:09 PM
1 votes:

oh_please: Metro is a solid interface for phones/tablets, but it's horribly clunky on an actual PC, Grandma will have to relearn everything.


"Everything"? Relearn "Everything"? Just hit Start and start typing. You'll find everything. That's just ONE thing to learn, and it works well. As far as adding or removing tiles, either just use the desktop like they're familiar with, or learn the one or two things necessary. It takes seconds.

I mean, there are a FEW things that are different, but it's not jarring because the core behind it all is the same.
2013-01-13 12:33:17 PM
1 votes:

LasersHurt: Holy shiat, guys, press the Windows key. There, everything's back the way it was.

It's so easy to use, and been completely stable. I don't know what has given you guys such trouble.


Who do I have talk to so as I can get your job. I can shill better than you. You're too obvious.
2013-01-13 12:25:50 PM
1 votes:

LasersHurt: Windows 8 is a fine OS, and it's suffering from a HUGE amount of fear-mongering and lie-spreading. People think of it as something other than what it is.

For example, Weeners - you're in NO WAY trapped in a touchscreen PC with Win8. It's just not true. I use it like a normal desktop PC, like I always have.


Alternatively, what reason would anyone have to move from Win7 to 8? Outside of it being OEM on a new PC, I can't see any argument to support going to the new OS. It looks very different; most people see it and probably think the thing is going to be limited just like whatever they have on their phone or tablet. They're familiar with the traditional layout, it means PC to them.
2013-01-13 12:23:50 PM
1 votes:
My new laptop (no touchscreen) runs Windows 8. Mostly the new interface just gets in the way. Oddly, they also added a bunch of keyboard shortcuts to circumvent the new interface (WinKey+X is great), and sometimes those make up for it.
2013-01-13 12:22:50 PM
1 votes:

LasersHurt: Windows 8 is a fine OS, and it's suffering from a HUGE amount of fear-mongering and lie-spreading. People think of it as something other than what it is.

For example, Weeners - you're in NO WAY trapped in a touchscreen PC with Win8. It's just not true. I use it like a normal desktop PC, like I always have.


Uh huh. But I can get Linux FOR FREE.

You want your OS to be adopted? Stop charging for it.
 
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