cptjeff: Telos: Flint Ironstag:Except the "use a GUI that you have used for a decade and are familiar and comfortable with" option.Actually no, that option DOES exist. Maybe not as easy to get to as it could be, but you can definitely run Win8 without using the Metro interface.But the non metro interface is still modified in certain pointless ways that make things harder for people. The Windows 8 interface was designed by morons, how hard is that to get? Everybody hates it. Did you ever stop and think that maybe there might be a reason?
LasersHurt: Windows 8 is a fine OS, and it's suffering from a HUGE amount of fear-mongering and lie-spreading. People think of it as something other than what it is.For example, Weeners - you're in NO WAY trapped in a touchscreen PC with Win8. It's just not true. I use it like a normal desktop PC, like I always have.
Flint Ironstag: Generally you use a mouse to navigate and then the keyboard to work.
phedex: I agree with the people saying that "improve things for the better".I've had a Win8 laptop the last couple months, my previous one sponatenously died. And my verdict after 2 months of use? same complaints everyone else has. My laptop is not touch screen, I never use the metro interface, and I found a nice app (pokki) that gives me a lot of the start menu functionality that I've gotten used to over the years. I think having to do windows key + C to get to the shutdown menu is retarded. Basic functions SHOULD NOT have to require you to google them. Let alone a "power user" as I consider myself.Now, I will say that its boots amazingly fast. It runs very well. Coming out of hibernation, for the first time ever, does not break things. Its a good looking OS. I just think they made a few too many changes to the simple things that should have been left alone.
Telos: That's just it. With the Metro interface's searching ability, YOU NEVER HAVE TO CLICK. You can "type, type, type, type" instead. The OLD process was "click, click, click, click, type."
Telos: As it stands, the big complaint is that "it's different."
Tellingthem: I'm not sure if that only that way on a laptop but on my desktop you just go to the upper right corner, click on settings and the shutdown menu is there.
rpm: Telos: That's just it. With the Metro interface's searching ability, YOU NEVER HAVE TO CLICK. You can "type, type, type, type" instead. The OLD process was "click, click, click, click, type."Huh? Windows key (on the keyboard), type. Works on Vista and 7, no clicks required.
thrasherrr: Tellingthem: I'm not sure if that only that way on a laptop but on my desktop you just go to the upper right corner, click on settings and the shutdown menu is there.Speaking as somebody who has to do this twenty or thirty times a day on systems that often have extremely flaky mouse and video drivers, WHAT WAS WRONG WITH GLOBALLY ACCESSIBLE ALT-F4?/never thought I'd be pining for Windows key, [TAB], S
Telos: Where is this magical 1-click on the start menu that automatically uninstalls the app for you? You have to click start, click applications, then click through folders. Seriously, if you need to hit their specific (badly coded) uninstaller so badly then hit Win+E and navigate to it through the file system. No different than the start menu at that point!Once you have clicked Start then you do not need to click again until you click on the "Uninstall whatever" option in the folder. You don't click while navigating. PCs are often buried under desks or otherwise inaccessible. A phone or tablet will usually be in your hand.PC's are also a dying breed. 90% of people are going to be using Win8 on laptops, and the type of person who IS going to stick with a desktop rig isn't going to be bothered by a new "shut down" location.
gingerjet: Telos: As it stands, the big complaint is that "it's different."No. Its schizophrenic. Microsoft should of gone the Apple route and made incremental changes and involve Windows 7. It decided not to do that (not a surprise really - no real leadership at Microsoft these days). Instead they created a stable OS that is a mess to actually use. And corporations aren't going to go near it due to the training involved. Microsoft is basically handing the market over to Samsung and Apple.
Telos: rpm: Telos: That's just it. With the Metro interface's searching ability, YOU NEVER HAVE TO CLICK. You can "type, type, type, type" instead. The OLD process was "click, click, click, click, type."Huh? Windows key (on the keyboard), type. Works on Vista and 7, no clicks required.Sure, which is what I do too. But I was responding to a guy who think's not having the start button is the end of the world because it somehow means more clicking. It means less clicking, possibly none!
drjekel_mrhyde: My seven year old got it. How the fark hard is it to go to the left bottom part of the screen(not metro menu) and right farking click and get your old shiat back
Telos: PC's are also a dying breed.
red5ish: Telos: PC's are also a dying breed.Maybe for home users who want to surf the internet and read their email this is true.
cptjeff: Telos: As it stands, the big complaint is that "it's different."If you're an idiot who can't understand nuance or complexity, sure.
KellyX: If MS was smart, they're release an official free program that converts the OS to be exactly how Win7 was
Telos: Right, which is 90% of the market.
from my blood: KellyX: If MS was smart, they're release an official free program that converts the OS to be exactly how Win7 wasSome companies have done exactly that. Probably friends...
Marine1: You don't have to use Metro if you don't want to. I mean, really. I'm not just saying that.
Telos: Yes, and look at the desk of any high level executive. What do you see? A laptop with a docking station. Tablets aren't far off from doing the same thing, and being just as capable as a laptop.
Sarsin: Me personally, I am going to ride out Windows 7 until support is dropped. I have Windows 8 in a VM to support any poor souls that venture that direction, but realistically none of the corporations I have worked with even have a beta imitative for 8 yet.
towatchoverme: don't care how much you White Knight Windows 8, LasersHurt ... Clippy isn't gonna sleep with you.
red5ish: Telos: Right, which is 90% of the market.I suspect this number (90%) is incorrect. A lot of people have their home computer and their work computer. I suspect the real reason Microsoft is pushing a "touch-centric" OS is because they are hoping that there is going to be a gigantic market demand for tablets.
DrgnMech: Win8 assumes most people can/are willing to learn how to use new/different things on their computer. This is a very bad assumption.
Huck And Molly Ziegler: DrgnMech: Win8 assumes most people can/are willing to learn how to use new/different things on their computer. This is a very bad assumption.Indeed. When I buy a car, the steering wheel should be a perfect circle and below it, the gas pedal should be on the right and the brake pedal on the left. If the pedal positions were to be swapped and the steering "wheel" became a triangle, I would be quite irritated.
ReverendJasen: Telos:Blech. I won't even bother attempting to debate this, as you won't listen, and I don't care enough.Regardless, we've heard the same tripe you're spouting now many times in the past about different technologies. All of them were wrong, and so are you. The desktop (or even laptop) computer will not be replaced by farking tablets. (at least not until tablets have the power and storage of a desktop, which is many years off; and in that time desktops will likely be equally more powerful than now as well)Just stop trying to convince us. We've heard it all before. It has yet to happen.
Telos: So then you're saying no one needs a PC?
WhyteRaven74: How about an OS where the user decides how it'll look and behave?
ReverendJasen: Keep your head in the clouds, kid. You're not the first, you won't be the last.I'm basing my prediction on experience. Yeah, I know that never means shiat to people who don't have it. You think you know it all and just can't be wrong. I was like that once.I'll be sitting by the river and wave when you float by.
ReverendJasen: Only problem is, most people can't be bothered to figure out how to run Windows apps in Linux.
Flint Ironstag: Sales is one thing. Machines in use is way different. Sales of tablets are rocketing because they are new and the change in features and spec year to year is significant while PCs and laptops have matured and there is little reason to throw away a two year old laptop for this years model.Sales of PCs have slumped because there are millions out there that do not need replacing, not because people are getting rid of them.
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