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2013-01-13 09:47:20 PM  

cptjeff: Telos: Flint Ironstag:

Except the "use a GUI that you have used for a decade and are familiar and comfortable with" option.

Actually no, that option DOES exist. Maybe not as easy to get to as it could be, but you can definitely run Win8 without using the Metro interface.

But the non metro interface is still modified in certain pointless ways that make things harder for people. The Windows 8 interface was designed by morons, how hard is that to get? Everybody hates it. Did you ever stop and think that maybe there might be a reason?


Yes, the reason being that everyone hates change. Win8 isn't the best UI out there, even for mobile/tablets. But it sure as hell isn't as bad as everyone is claiming. You've got people right now complaining about something that actually works better than the old version! If you were complaining that it's difficult and non-obvious how to close an app, for instance, I'd be right with you in complaining!

As it stands, the big complaint is that "it's different."
 
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2013-01-13 09:53:47 PM  

LasersHurt: Windows 8 is a fine OS, and it's suffering from a HUGE amount of fear-mongering and lie-spreading. People think of it as something other than what it is.

For example, Weeners - you're in NO WAY trapped in a touchscreen PC with Win8. It's just not true. I use it like a normal desktop PC, like I always have.


You know, I saw your Boobies then thought you might be a Windows employed troll, but really I only counted like 33 responses from you in this thread all white knighting a remarkably lame operating system which is built for a tablet and forced onto a desktop. When you have to 'figure out' how to get it to work the way you want then it's built wrong, it's bad design fixing things that weren't broken with the only 'good thing' being that it's faster than it's predecessor which should be the goal and not the one thing that is good about the system. It's just a sad useless effort and your money Microsoft would have been better spent in innovation instead of insipid and endless commercials designed to tell us we like something we clearly don't like. That saturation bombing with commercials didn't work with Romney and it had never worked with anything Windows has done. What has worked is when you produce a decent operating system. Try that next time.
 
2013-01-13 09:54:25 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Generally you use a mouse to navigate and then the keyboard to work.


Not true.


Having a process where you click, type, click, type is less easy.


That's just it. With the Metro interface's searching ability, YOU NEVER HAVE TO CLICK. You can "type, type, type, type" instead. The OLD process was "click, click, click, click, type."

I have some programmes that you need to uninstall through their link to get back an install credit. Sometimes it isn't easier. And opening Add/Remove programes is quicker and easier than one click on the start menu?

Where is this magical 1-click on the start menu that automatically uninstalls the app for you? You have to click start, click applications, then click through folders. Seriously, if you need to hit their specific (badly coded) uninstaller so badly then hit Win+E and navigate to it through the file system. No different than the start menu at that point!


PCs are often buried under desks or otherwise inaccessible. A phone or tablet will usually be in your hand.

PC's are also a dying breed. 90% of people are going to be using Win8 on laptops, and the type of person who IS going to stick with a desktop rig isn't going to be bothered by a new "shut down" location.
 
2013-01-13 09:54:39 PM  

phedex: I agree with the people saying that "improve things for the better".

I've had a Win8 laptop the last couple months, my previous one sponatenously died. And my verdict after 2 months of use? same complaints everyone else has. My laptop is not touch screen, I never use the metro interface, and I found a nice app (pokki) that gives me a lot of the start menu functionality that I've gotten used to over the years. I think having to do windows key + C to get to the shutdown menu is retarded. Basic functions SHOULD NOT have to require you to google them. Let alone a "power user" as I consider myself.

Now, I will say that its boots amazingly fast. It runs very well. Coming out of hibernation, for the first time ever, does not break things. Its a good looking OS. I just think they made a few too many changes to the simple things that should have been left alone.


I'm not sure if that only that way on a laptop but on my desktop you just go to the upper right corner, click on settings and the shutdown menu is there.
 
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2013-01-13 10:05:56 PM  

Telos: That's just it. With the Metro interface's searching ability, YOU NEVER HAVE TO CLICK. You can "type, type, type, type" instead. The OLD process was "click, click, click, click, type."


Huh? Windows key (on the keyboard), type. Works on Vista and 7, no clicks required.
 
2013-01-13 10:13:27 PM  

Telos: As it stands, the big complaint is that "it's different."


No.  Its schizophrenic.  Microsoft should of gone the Apple route and made incremental changes and involve Windows 7.  It decided not to do that (not a surprise really - no real leadership at Microsoft these days).  Instead they created a stable OS that is a mess to actually use.  And corporations aren't going to go near it due to the training involved.  Microsoft is basically handing the market over to Samsung and Apple.
 
2013-01-13 10:16:20 PM  

Tellingthem: I'm not sure if that only that way on a laptop but on my desktop you just go to the upper right corner, click on settings and the shutdown menu is there.


Speaking as somebody who has to do this twenty or thirty times a day on systems that often have extremely flaky mouse and video drivers, WHAT WAS WRONG WITH GLOBALLY ACCESSIBLE ALT-F4?

/never thought I'd be pining for Windows key, [TAB], S
 
2013-01-13 10:22:07 PM  

rpm: Telos: That's just it. With the Metro interface's searching ability, YOU NEVER HAVE TO CLICK. You can "type, type, type, type" instead. The OLD process was "click, click, click, click, type."

Huh? Windows key (on the keyboard), type. Works on Vista and 7, no clicks required.


Sure, which is what I do too. But I was responding to a guy who think's not having the start button is the end of the world because it somehow means more clicking. It means less clicking, possibly none!
 
2013-01-13 10:32:00 PM  

thrasherrr: Tellingthem: I'm not sure if that only that way on a laptop but on my desktop you just go to the upper right corner, click on settings and the shutdown menu is there.

Speaking as somebody who has to do this twenty or thirty times a day on systems that often have extremely flaky mouse and video drivers, WHAT WAS WRONG WITH GLOBALLY ACCESSIBLE ALT-F4?

/never thought I'd be pining for Windows key, [TAB], S


I have no idea, i'm not a power user by any means. I've never really used shortcuts or a windows key. I was just saying that at least on the desktop version I use i can access the shutdown menu with my mouse and a click.
 
2013-01-13 10:32:37 PM  
As a 43 year old systems engineer who got his first computer in 1982 here is what I gather from this friend.

1. If apple changes their os, like moving to osx, its ok.
2. if apple adds a feature from osx to ios, they are merging operating systems(too funny) its like saying i added ford seats to a camaro and it makes the car a forchev)
3. If you do not have the brain power to learn a few changes in an operating system, then it is the companies fault.

I like OSX, but 99.9 percent of the users cannot tell you what the command line is, how to find it, but will gladly tell you it is unix and they own it.

I support all Oses because of my job, and i would rather support a linux, window, android user any day, than an apple users.  Because most apple users are white people problems and are very entitled.

I do not like some of the changes in win 8, but you know, i can use it, it is quick, and stable, and when people biatch about keyboard shortcuts, i always remind apple users about the one button mouse and keyboard shortcuts, and honestly, i have used them on both os's for years.  The keyboard shortcut was always the apple argument

As for touch screens.  I would like a touch screen for this purpose.  I will use a keyboard and mouse, but if i want to load music, media files, a video, i can do it by touching the screen.  No need for me to sit down and navigate the os.
 
2013-01-13 10:34:47 PM  

Telos:
Where is this magical 1-click on the start menu that automatically uninstalls the app for you? You have to click start, click applications, then click through folders. Seriously, if you need to hit their specific (badly coded) uninstaller so badly then hit Win+E and navigate to it through the file system. No different than the start menu at that point!
Once you have clicked Start then you do not need to click again until you click on the "Uninstall whatever" option in the folder. You don't click while navigating.


PCs are often buried under desks or otherwise inaccessible. A phone or tablet will usually be in your hand.

PC's are also a dying breed. 90% of people are going to be using Win8 on laptops, and the type of person who IS going to stick with a desktop rig isn't going to be bothered by a new "shut down" location.


So you're saying W8 isn't meant for desktop PCs? I think you'll find that's what most of its critics are saying, it is a touchscreen UI not suited for desktops.
 
2013-01-13 10:35:44 PM  

gingerjet: Telos: As it stands, the big complaint is that "it's different."

No.  Its schizophrenic.  Microsoft should of gone the Apple route and made incremental changes and involve Windows 7.  It decided not to do that (not a surprise really - no real leadership at Microsoft these days).  Instead they created a stable OS that is a mess to actually use.  And corporations aren't going to go near it due to the training involved.  Microsoft is basically handing the market over to Samsung and Apple.



OSX was such an incremental change was it ?  or is that what you call changing a paradigm and it was justified?
 
2013-01-13 10:38:26 PM  

Telos: rpm: Telos: That's just it. With the Metro interface's searching ability, YOU NEVER HAVE TO CLICK. You can "type, type, type, type" instead. The OLD process was "click, click, click, click, type."

Huh? Windows key (on the keyboard), type. Works on Vista and 7, no clicks required.

Sure, which is what I do too. But I was responding to a guy who think's not having the start button is the end of the world because it somehow means more clicking. It means less clicking, possibly none!


So if W7 had the search by typing option then why couldn't they have left it as an option on W8?

Why take the Start button off? What actual benefit is there to not having the Start button? And having Metro as an alternative option for people who prefer it or have a touchscreen?

Since clearly Windows can have different methods happily coexisting what is the benefit to the user by taking away one method.
 
2013-01-13 10:44:32 PM  

Telos: As it stands, the big complaint is that "it's different."


If you're an idiot who can't understand nuance or complexity, sure.
 
2013-01-13 10:45:27 PM  

doglover: LasersHurt: Holy shiat, guys, press the Windows key. There, everything's back the way it was.

It's so easy to use, and been completely stable. I don't know what has given you guys such trouble.

Who do I have talk to so as I can get your job. I can shill better than you. You're too obvious.


Apart from the fact that he's totally correct.
 
2013-01-13 10:47:12 PM  
if it ain't broke don't fix it
 
2013-01-13 10:59:16 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: My seven year old got it. How the fark hard is it to go to the left bottom part of the screen(not metro menu) and right farking click and get your old shiat back


So they've invented some sort of new-fangled gui that involves finding and clicking on things that aren't even there? Brilliant.

Is the charm bar some sort of play on the charm quark, where it takes you forever to figure out where it is, and you're not sure it's there once you've found it?
 
2013-01-13 11:06:37 PM  

Telos: PC's are also a dying breed.


Maybe for home users who want to surf the internet and read their email this is true. For people who use their computers to do actual work, not so much.

Laptops are just underpowered PCs that have sacrificed having a decent keyboard and large screen for the sake of portability.

Tablets are great for taking to meetings or giving one-on-one presentations but are otherwise unsuited for the vast majority of business applications.
 
2013-01-13 11:18:16 PM  
Payroll is due tomorrow. While the accounting department was out to lunch we replaced their desktop PCs with tablets running the new Windows 8 operating system. Let's see if they notice.
 
2013-01-13 11:24:56 PM  

red5ish: Telos: PC's are also a dying breed.

Maybe for home users who want to surf the internet and read their email this is true.


Right, which is 90% of the market.


For people who use their computers to do actual work, not so much.


True, but we'll still need Windows 8 to develop software for the other 90% of people who just web surf and check email.


Laptops are just underpowered PCs that have sacrificed having a decent keyboard and large screen for the sake of portability.


Yes, and look at the desk of any high level executive. What do you see? A laptop with a docking station. Tablets aren't far off from doing the same thing, and being just as capable as a laptop.


Tablets are great for taking to meetings or giving one-on-one presentations but are otherwise unsuited for the vast majority of business applications.


Today, yes. Tomorrow, not so much.
 
2013-01-13 11:26:28 PM  
Win 8 > Win 7 period.
 
2013-01-13 11:45:27 PM  
There is a Microsoft employee who just did a Reddit AMA (Ask Me Anything) who after listing some of the additions to Windows 8 admitted:

For a desktop user these may not be compelling reasons to upgrade

Link
 
2013-01-13 11:54:59 PM  
If MS was smart, they're release an official free program that converts the OS to be exactly how Win7 was
 
2013-01-13 11:57:45 PM  

cptjeff: Telos: As it stands, the big complaint is that "it's different."

If you're an idiot who can't understand nuance or complexity, sure.


Anyone biatching "you can't deal with change" needs his diaper changed.. but don't, let them soak in their own shiat.

Microsoft dumped a layer of shiat on win7 and called it win8: a glorious tiled stink covered in flies"
 
2013-01-14 12:00:01 AM  

KellyX: If MS was smart, they're release an official free program that converts the OS to be exactly how Win7 was


Some companies have done exactly that. Probably friends...
 
2013-01-14 12:00:43 AM  

Telos: Right, which is 90% of the market.


I suspect this number (90%) is incorrect. A lot of people have their home computer and their work computer. I suspect the real reason Microsoft is pushing a "touch-centric" OS is because they are hoping that there is going to be a gigantic market demand for tablets.

True, but we'll still need Windows 8 to develop software for the other 90% of people who just web surf and check email.
I'm pretty sure they've got those two applications already. If not, they suck.

Yes, and look at the desk of any high level executive. What do you see? A laptop with a docking station. Tablets aren't far off from doing the same thing, and being just as capable as a laptop.

Not sure how many "high level executives" do serious computing work, since they have employees doing that for them, but today I can build a desktop box that will eat a laptop's lunch for half the price.

Today, yes. Tomorrow, not so much.

I cannot predict the future. Technology is frequently surprising, but right now keyboards are better for typing, mice are more exact than fingers, ten-key, digitizers, these input devices were developed and refined for good reasons.
"They" were predicting the paperless office back in the 1980s and instead of becoming paperless, the computer printer turned us all into mini print shops. I'm not saying it can't happen, but I'm not holding my breath. I also wonder when people will begin to realize that carrying around their main computer (easy to drop, easily stolen) might not be such a hot idea.
 
2013-01-14 12:06:44 AM  

from my blood: KellyX: If MS was smart, they're release an official free program that converts the OS to be exactly how Win7 was

Some companies have done exactly that. Probably friends...


I just mean it should be default with the software, officially made by MS and an default option turned on with the ability to go metro if ppl REALLY want to fark with it
 
2013-01-14 12:08:05 AM  

Marine1:
You don't have to use Metro if you don't want to. I mean, really. I'm not just saying that.



What happens if you run metro native apps?
 
2013-01-14 12:41:21 AM  

Telos: Yes, and look at the desk of any high level executive. What do you see? A laptop with a docking station. Tablets aren't far off from doing the same thing, and being just as capable as a laptop.


Docking station with external keyboard and mouse plus dual monitors.

Can your tablet do that?
 
2013-01-14 12:45:13 AM  
Windows 8 is the latest of a long line of blunders by Microsoft that have confused the public. I know, because I deal with the public every day at my computer business, and did working in the industry before striking out on my own. Launching an OS called Windows 2000 and another called Windows Millennium at about the same time confused people. They used the names interchangeably, and had no idea which one they really meant. Then, they launched Windows XP and Office XP at the same time, adding to the mistaken impression the public had, and still has, that Word and Excel are included in Windows, not sold separately in a product called Office.

With Vista, removing unwanted software became a pain as add/remove programs, at the top of the list because it began with "A" was buried in the middle of a list when it became programs and features. Settings being renamed personalize was equally stupid. Even shutting down was a pain, as the power button on the start menu only puts it in standby, rather than shutting off as simple common sense would clearly dictate.

Now, nothing about how a use a PC means a damn thing any more. With Windows 8, everything has changed for no reason, and even seasoned vets need to go get a For Dummies book. It is counterintuitive and clumsy. Even if you leave metro and go to the "classic desktop", they broke it by taking away pull-down menus and forcing the ribbon on us!

Microsoft operates in an ivy tower, and has no idea how the public uses computers. That is why they can't do anything right. If we had better alternatives than Mac, an obscenely expensive boutique product, and Linux, 1000 different versions by a million undirected tinkerers, Microsoft would have gone belly up a long time ago.
 
2013-01-14 01:05:50 AM  
I don't care how much you White Knight Windows 8, LasersHurt ... Clippy isn't gonna sleep with you.

/We get it ... everyone else is old and you're not
//Everyone's wrong and you're not
 
2013-01-14 01:18:33 AM  
My computer executes programs, it doesn't play apps. I download free software from the internet, I don't need an app store built into the OS trying to sell me garbage, that's just not okay.

Sure there's (incomplete)workarounds to fix the godawful ui, but does it matter? Commercials for windows 8 do not show a single non touch device. It's obvious that none of the design decisions were made with any consideration for non-touch users. After all, we don't exist. So windows 8 won't exist on my PC, ever.
 
2013-01-14 01:25:18 AM  

Sarsin: Me personally, I am going to ride out Windows 7 until support is dropped. I have Windows 8 in a VM to support any poor souls that venture that direction, but realistically none of the corporations I have worked with even have a beta imitative for 8 yet.


Hell, my business isn't even using 7. We're not even using close to using the latest version of IE because a few of our critical apps run in IE (... *sigh*) and thorough testing has to be done before upgrading IE to make sure the business doesn't break. We not that long ago went from old IE to one that actually has tabs. They still won't install a secondary browser like FF or Chrome.

We might be upgrading to Office 2007 soon. It's going to be hell. A bunch of people who can't remember how to do bullet points or format a column in excel, who can't find a window if it's grouped in the toolbar (if you can't see it, it doesn't exist) and you're going to change everything? The productivity crash will be enormous. These people think I'm magic because I can use alt-tab! I can't image what would happen if we tried to shift to Metro.

Which we won't, because our typical work day we always have open about four excel, outlook, dozens of pdfs, at least two IE windows, multiple word documents, and two or three java-based programmes, on two or three screens. The Metro interface and its stupid full-screen apps are literally useless, and in fact detrimental to productivity and usablity.
 
2013-01-14 01:39:56 AM  

towatchoverme: don't care how much you White Knight Windows 8, LasersHurt ... Clippy isn't gonna sleep with you.


Don't be so sure.
Clippy's a slut.
 
2013-01-14 01:40:01 AM  

red5ish: Telos: Right, which is 90% of the market.

I suspect this number (90%) is incorrect. A lot of people have their home computer and their work computer. I suspect the real reason Microsoft is pushing a "touch-centric" OS is because they are hoping that there is going to be a gigantic market demand for tablets.


It was hyperbole, however there already is gigantic market demand for tablets: http://www.pcworld.com/article/260183/windows_pc_sales_hit_a_low_as_ta blet_sales_soar_in_q2_canalys_says.html

Tablets are already starting "eat into" PC sales. Another article predicts that by 2016 tablet sales will overtake laptops: http://venturebeat.com/2012/08/15/tablet-computer-sales-will-overtake- notebooks-by-2016/

In fact, Gizmodo's report on laptops at CES this year is "What laptops?" http://gizmodo.com/5975016/the-best-laptops-of-ces-2013-what-laptops

Face it. Dying breed.


I'm pretty sure they've got those two applications already. If not, they suck.


So then you're saying no one needs a PC?



Not sure how many "high level executives" do serious computing work, since they have employees doing that for them, but today I can build a desktop box that will eat a laptop's lunch for half the price.


So what? Who cares? If that argument held any actual merit laptops wouldn't have been so big in the first place. Mobility counts, tablets are more mobile and rapidly becoming just as functional. Hell, think about it... those executives really don't need a laptop do they? All they do is look at a couple reports and tell their assistant to do the typing. Seems perfect for a tablet, right?

I cannot predict the future. Technology is frequently surprising, but right now keyboards are better for typing, mice are more exact than fingers, ten-key, digitizers, these input devices were developed and refined for good reasons.


And what, you think it's impossible to hook a keyboard up to a tablet? Or a mouse?

Do you know what the real barrier is to people using tablets as laptop replacements? The simple fact that the tablet vendors haven't done a good job of creating a good docking station, peripherals and making the OS work well from both interfaces.

Oh wait, that's exactly what MS is trying to do! (Maybe not succeeding, but certainly trying.)


"They" were predicting the paperless office back in the 1980s and instead of becoming paperless, the computer printer turned us all into mini print shops. I'm not saying it can't happen, but I'm not holding my breath.


Again, tablets are powerful enough to do all the work most office-drones do. Programmers, engineers and graphic artists are probably the only people who will continue to need more for work. Gamers will of course want good rigs for games, but they are even starting to build gaming-oriented tablets.


I also wonder when people will begin to realize that carrying around their main computer (easy to drop, easily stolen) might not be such a hot idea.


But people already do that, and have been for decades. The only change is it will be lighter.
 
2013-01-14 01:40:15 AM  
My laptop has Windows 7 on it. It came with Vista, but was upgraded later. It's going to be six soon, so I don't think I really care about starting fresh again.

My phone? Maybe, but I was able to get a pretty good Android phone (LG Viper 4G LTE if you're wondering), and I love it.

My next laptop will have whatever OS is on it when I buy it. It doesn't really matter once I get Chrome open unless I want to play a game or something like that.
 
2013-01-14 01:40:26 AM  

DrgnMech: Win8 assumes most people can/are willing to learn how to use new/different things on their computer. This is a very bad assumption.


Indeed. When I buy a car, the steering wheel should be a perfect circle and below it, the gas pedal should be on the right and the brake pedal on the left. If the pedal positions were to be swapped and the steering "wheel" became a triangle, I would be quite irritated.
 
2013-01-14 01:42:43 AM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: DrgnMech: Win8 assumes most people can/are willing to learn how to use new/different things on their computer. This is a very bad assumption.

Indeed. When I buy a car, the steering wheel should be a perfect circle and below it, the gas pedal should be on the right and the brake pedal on the left. If the pedal positions were to be swapped and the steering "wheel" became a triangle, I would be quite irritated.


I take it you haven't driven many hybrids or cars with electronic transmissions? Not quite that drastic, but still a change.
 
2013-01-14 01:49:10 AM  
I'm browsing Fark from my Surface, so I'm getting a real kick out these replies...

/Microsoft employee
//My opinions don't represent Microsoft
///Still, Windows 8 is pretty freakin' sweet.
 
2013-01-14 02:01:02 AM  
Telos:

Blech. I won't even bother attempting to debate this, as you won't listen, and I don't care enough.
Regardless, we've heard the same tripe you're spouting now many times in the past about different technologies. All of them were wrong, and so are you. The desktop (or even laptop) computer will not be replaced by farking tablets. (at least not until tablets have the power and storage of a desktop, which is many years off; and in that time desktops will likely be equally more powerful than now as well)
Just stop trying to convince us. We've heard it all before. It has yet to happen.
 
2013-01-14 02:09:20 AM  
They all work jut fine.
All operating systems work fine.
Unless you're an uber-hipster or an old person.
 
2013-01-14 02:32:27 AM  

ReverendJasen: Telos:

Blech. I won't even bother attempting to debate this, as you won't listen, and I don't care enough.
Regardless, we've heard the same tripe you're spouting now many times in the past about different technologies. All of them were wrong, and so are you. The desktop (or even laptop) computer will not be replaced by farking tablets. (at least not until tablets have the power and storage of a desktop, which is many years off; and in that time desktops will likely be equally more powerful than now as well)
Just stop trying to convince us. We've heard it all before. It has yet to happen.


Right... because storage isn't being moved into the cloud, and CPU speed hasn't stagnated. Keep your head in the sand, man... it should work out well for you.

Laptops/desktops might not go away... but they aren't going to be the primary computer either.
 
2013-01-14 02:38:54 AM  
How about an OS where the user decides how it'll look and behave? Be trivial to create, but MS with Ballmer running it is almost actively hostile to anything that would give people more control of their own experience.
 
2013-01-14 02:40:43 AM  

Telos: So then you're saying no one needs a PC?


If your tablet is powerful enough and you have a docking station (hey, that's cheating!) then (almost) nobody needs a PC. That would be very cool, but we're not there yet. Performance has to go up and price has to come down.

For all I know someone is working on a processor that can go from a low-voltage under-clocked state to a higher performance state when docked to an external power supply and cooling system. But I digress.
 
2013-01-14 02:40:59 AM  
Keep your head in the clouds, kid. You're not the first, you won't be the last.
I'm basing my prediction on experience. Yeah, I know that never means shiat to people who don't have it. You think you know it all and just can't be wrong. I was like that once.

I'll be sitting by the river and wave when you float by.
 
2013-01-14 02:44:51 AM  

WhyteRaven74: How about an OS where the user decides how it'll look and behave?


Only problem is, most people can't be bothered to figure out how to run Windows apps in Linux.
:)
 
2013-01-14 03:59:21 AM  

ReverendJasen: Keep your head in the clouds, kid. You're not the first, you won't be the last.
I'm basing my prediction on experience. Yeah, I know that never means shiat to people who don't have it. You think you know it all and just can't be wrong. I was like that once.

I'll be sitting by the river and wave when you float by.


Too late, I think we've already passed you. Somewhere in all that "experience" you missed seeing something obvious: People want lighter and smaller. The only people I even know with desktops these days are programmers and gamers. Everyone else uses a laptop. They'll switch to just a tablet when they can get a good portable keyboard, and Powerpoint works on it.
 
2013-01-14 04:06:19 AM  
Telos: It was hyperbole, however there already is gigantic market demand for tablets: http://www.pcworld.com/article/260183/windows_pc_sales_hit_a_low_as_ta blet_sales_soar_in_q2_canalys_says.html

Tablets are already starting "eat into" PC sales. Another article predicts that by 2016 tablet sales will overtake laptops: http://venturebeat.com/2012/08/15/tablet-computer-sales-will-overtake- notebooks-by-2016/

In fact, Gizmodo's report on laptops at CES this year is "What laptops?" http://gizmodo.com/5975016/the-best-laptops-of-ces-2013-what-laptops

Face it. Dying breed.


Sales is one thing. Machines in use is way different. Sales of tablets are rocketing because they are new and the change in features and spec year to year is significant while PCs and laptops have matured and there is little reason to throw away a two year old laptop for this years model.

Sales of PCs have slumped because there are millions out there that do not need replacing, not because people are getting rid of them. Most tablet sales are for people to use away from where they use their PC or laptop, be it on the train or on the sofa. Tablets are in addition to their "main" computer. If you can fine anyone who has actually thrown away their PC or laptop and is now using a tablet only I will be quite surprised.

In short, PCs and laptops will still be around for a long time.
 
2013-01-14 04:07:03 AM  

ReverendJasen: Only problem is, most people can't be bothered to figure out how to run Windows apps in Linux.


I was wondering who'd mention Linux ;)
 
2013-01-14 05:57:49 AM  
Yes I suppose someday tablets will be as powerful as PC's. Which is fine if you have $2000 to spend on the thing. Since I don't, I'll stick with my "antique" desktop with its 23 inch screen, surround sound, and nice comfy mouse and keyboard.

And yes, Win 7.
 
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